There is something I must say: The mecha base price is so cheap because its currently using the medics stats, its currently not a finished tower. When the mecha base is actually available the devs said major changes would be made.c
If I were to guess, these are how the stats work. - Mecha base still will cost 5k - level 1 Mark I with rocket/faster time will cost 750. - level 2 Mark II will cost 3k - level 3 Mark III will cost 10k - level 4 Mark IV will cost 24k and will have 35 range instead of 100 - level 5 Mark V will cost 35k and will have 45 range instead of 100. - Total cost 77,750 - placement limit of 4 and will cost 3.5k gems
5:44 to put into perspective how broken this cost efficiency is, the best CE in the game is level 1 ace pilot. CE is measured by doing (dps)/(total cost), so lower is better. assuming it's constantly attacking, level 1 ace has a CE of around 59. other than ace, level 0 golden scout has the best CE, with it being around 120. now, level 3 war machine buffing 80 max golden minigunners has a CE of around 9.2 (7900/851)
I really want them balance these 2 towers and release them for gems. Also fun fact mecha base uses medics icons and upgrade costs that's why it's so cheap
I feel like war machine is better in modes like polluted wastelands 2, hardcore, or events because you can somewhat reasonably afford it. And even if commander is better, in multiplayer the 20% damage buff would be insane considering how many ranger, pursuit, accels, ect there will probably be on the map and it still does good damage; however, the price is still the biggest burden. Like you said, it's a pretty bad choice to bring it in solo or any regular game like fallen because it's just too expensive and a 10% damage buff just isnt needed or worth it as much. So I feel like overall mecha base is still better considering its range and dps makes it do like 200+ dps throughout the entire map, 5k collison, and mid game breaking potential but war machine definitely has its moments.
Tbh war machine only needs an animation and it's good to go for public, mecha base on the other hand is op , it needs a health and damage nerf plus for each mecha base only one unit is allowed in the battlefield like mil base and the only compasate buff is that unlike others it stops moving entirely at a certain point and deals damage through the artillery it poses and it becomes a road block for the enemies
Nah hear me out they release mecha base for 6000 gems and they nerf max to 200 dps and 3500 health and change spawn time to 40 seconds and it’s good to go
Accel: So you give a damage buff right? War Machine: Yes. Accel: Ok, then try killing these. *Soul Bosses come out of the portal* War Machine: What's a Soul Boss?!! Game system: Y O U L O S T L O L
What does war machine giving a damage buff have to do with killing enemies, its damage buff is already quite an asset. the max level ranger's damage can be increased by 90 from 450 to 540 and when boosted by the commander, its like a lot better for one ranger. And the damage buff on the accel is op too, the 20% boost only boosts it by a few damage but the accel fires super quick so that little damage buff will be significant
@@OscarZheng50 If we take the 55% CTA boost + 20% DMG boost of a Lvl.5 War Machine + the average DPS of a Lvl.5 Accelerator, we get a DPS of 555.56. Here's the formula btw: [(Highest Damage + Lowest Damage) ÷ 2 × (Burst Time/Tick)] ÷ (Charge-Up + Burst Time + Cooldown) [(42 + 30) ÷ 2 × (12/0.0486)] ÷ (2 + 12 + 2)
@@OscarZheng50 Ok, but what if you're playing on a map where you can't place 36 GMinis in an area? So I believe 8 max Accels would be better in this case. (I hate the new circle boxes)
@@yinghannong most maps can accommodate 36 golden minis, the maps are designed to be big enough to fit 80 towers if your playing squads and everyone places their max
war machine getting rework so it can be add into game as a hardcore tower i hope mecha base comes next(i think they should make it slightly more expensive)
Farming mecha base while solo requires a good brain without a single mistake. Place golden scouts for early defend Place farm, upgrade lvl 1, place another farm, upgrade lvl 1, wait until your money reached 550, upgrade lvl2 2 farms, place 1 farm, upgrade to lvl 1 and 2, upgrade 3 farms to lvl 3, wait until you reached 5k and then you place mecha base.
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Imo mecha is better than war machine but not bc war machine is weak(imo it's quite balanced as it does a lot of dps plus it gives buffs) but bc mecha base is way to underpriced(like i think it should cost around war machine to max)
Yes! The damage buff for low damage towers does like nothing if it's like 1 damage it might not boost but if it's something like ranger it's extremely damage buff
Mark 5 you can spam with a admin spawn unit command War machine can be no tower limit command and place a lot of them So both are great paired with commands but war machine inf spam can be better
War machine is like cowboy. Commander that can shoot continuously. You still better off using commander tho. But I guess you could make both commander and war machine stack. If they release War Machine to public, they HAVE to buff it
Tbh war machine is pretty good tower for ranger at this moment (december 2023) the ranger has 1125 dmg at max lvl, war machine 20% dmg buff could add 225 dmg to the rangers dmg per shot.
I made some maths, so let's get a tower that has 10 DMG per 0.1 seconds, 100 DPS If we take comander's 55% firerate buff, then its firerate will be 0.045, which will have a 222 DPS ! But if we take war machine's damage buff (10%) it will have 110 DPS, or if we take 20% we will have 120 DPS Comander is both cheaper, and stronger! So yeah, there you have it
There is issue with mecha base. And it's path unit tower which are pretty much worst tower type in tds. If it destroyed it no longer does dps. And gotta wait for whole minute which by that time many other towers would ended up doing more dps. It would been good tower in earlier version but it's current stats are outdated. Where we got 3 modes enemies gets high hp. Especially on Polluted Wasteland where mecha base health sustainability gets quickly non existent.
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There is something I must say:
The mecha base price is so cheap because its currently using the medics stats, its currently not a finished tower. When the mecha base is actually available the devs said major changes would be made.c
If I were to guess, these are how the stats work.
- Mecha base still will cost 5k
- level 1 Mark I with rocket/faster time will cost 750.
- level 2 Mark II will cost 3k
- level 3 Mark III will cost 10k
- level 4 Mark IV will cost 24k and will have 35 range instead of 100
- level 5 Mark V will cost 35k and will have 45 range instead of 100.
- Total cost 77,750
- placement limit of 4 and will cost 3.5k gems
knowing paradoxum the gem cost might be above 5k if the engineer was like 4.5k
4 or 5 placement limit is likely
@@nate1567 in hardcore beta, the mecha base costed 3500 gem to unlock
@@nate1567 thats because engineer is a jack of all trades tower, its good in every stage of the game and can counter nearly every enemy in the game
Bro is a better version of my math teacher😂
He is Da best Math teacher
Hes graduated from Harvard probably
True
Lol
@@Kautsar-2no he graduated Harvard
5:44 to put into perspective how broken this cost efficiency is, the best CE in the game is level 1 ace pilot. CE is measured by doing (dps)/(total cost), so lower is better. assuming it's constantly attacking, level 1 ace has a CE of around 59. other than ace, level 0 golden scout has the best CE, with it being around 120. now, level 3 war machine buffing 80 max golden minigunners has a CE of around 9.2 (7900/851)
I really want them balance these 2 towers and release them for gems. Also fun fact mecha base uses medics icons and upgrade costs that's why it's so cheap
lazy ass hell., every assest and event happens in here creams desperate
I swear to god if mecha base costs more than 2500 gems Im leaving tds
I mean if its as good as it is now, it should cost more then engi def@@Sashin-d8t
@@Sashin-d8tDawg mecha base has a sick design and its gonna get better damage it makes sense why they put it probably more than accel and engineer
@@leiraollibo3726 If it is buffed maybe I will buy it
8:47 bro is so good in montage that he light up the subscribe button😂
Sinister W for finding an admin for this banger vid 🔥
he clutched up
for those who didnt know, the war machine was actually the old accelerator. you can see war machines image in the old upgrades of accel.
I feel like war machine is better in modes like polluted wastelands 2, hardcore, or events because you can somewhat reasonably afford it. And even if commander is better, in multiplayer the 20% damage buff would be insane considering how many ranger, pursuit, accels, ect there will probably be on the map and it still does good damage; however, the price is still the biggest burden. Like you said, it's a pretty bad choice to bring it in solo or any regular game like fallen because it's just too expensive and a 10% damage buff just isnt needed or worth it as much.
So I feel like overall mecha base is still better considering its range and dps makes it do like 200+ dps throughout the entire map, 5k collison, and mid game breaking potential but war machine definitely has its moments.
you forgot how cheap the mecha base is. it's currently using medic's upgrade costs, but that would change in the future.
Guys I had an admin in my game that had WAR MACHINE AND MECHA BASE!! Like I was so shocked
Tbh war machine only needs an animation and it's good to go for public, mecha base on the other hand is op , it needs a health and damage nerf plus for each mecha base only one unit is allowed in the battlefield like mil base and the only compasate buff is that unlike others it stops moving entirely at a certain point and deals damage through the artillery it poses and it becomes a road block for the enemies
ngl they should make war machine have a giant gun like gold mini and have 2 rockets beside it
But the cost of the final upgrade should go down
Nah hear me out they release mecha base for 6000 gems and they nerf max to 200 dps and 3500 health and change spawn time to 40 seconds and it’s good to go
And make max like 44k
Give war machine a price decrease or stat buffs. I think they should buff the dps to like 340+ and give 25-35%dmg buff to nearby tower at max level.
Thanks for the free info on towers we don’t know about.
Someone: My math teacher knows math the most!
Corso: are u sure about that
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Thanks! glad you enjoy it 👍
Nice video maybe see what tower is best for the early game?(not including gladiator)
Lvl 1 soldier can carry even fallen waves on easy map
Gold scout
Accel: So you give a damage buff right?
War Machine: Yes.
Accel: Ok, then try killing these.
*Soul Bosses come out of the portal*
War Machine: What's a Soul Boss?!!
Game system: Y O U L O S T L O L
What does war machine giving a damage buff have to do with killing enemies, its damage buff is already quite an asset. the max level ranger's damage can be increased by 90 from 450 to 540 and when boosted by the commander, its like a lot better for one ranger. And the damage buff on the accel is op too, the 20% boost only boosts it by a few damage but the accel fires super quick so that little damage buff will be significant
@@OscarZheng50 If we take the 55% CTA boost + 20% DMG boost of a Lvl.5 War Machine + the average DPS of a Lvl.5 Accelerator, we get a DPS of 555.56.
Here's the formula btw:
[(Highest Damage + Lowest Damage) ÷ 2 × (Burst Time/Tick)] ÷ (Charge-Up + Burst Time + Cooldown)
[(42 + 30) ÷ 2 × (12/0.0486)] ÷ (2 + 12 + 2)
@@yinghannong and 8 accels with coa will do 4,444.48 dps, still less than 36 golden minis with coa which do 5850
@@OscarZheng50 Ok, but what if you're playing on a map where you can't place 36 GMinis in an area? So I believe 8 max Accels would be better in this case. (I hate the new circle boxes)
@@yinghannong most maps can accommodate 36 golden minis, the maps are designed to be big enough to fit 80 towers if your playing squads and everyone places their max
Banger video
banger collab
They really be adding new towers like elf camp but cant finish making mecha base and balance war machine (war machine still has no animation)
this is too much math my brain is overheating thanks for reviewing these 2 amazing towers
You shoud try Mechs V Kaijus, a true hardcore tower defense game! I can get you a key for sure, I know the solo dev!
Awesome vid! best tds yt
Thanks!
war machine getting rework so it can be add into game as a hardcore tower
i hope mecha base comes next(i think they should make it slightly more expensive)
nostalgia is really cool lets go
is this the sequal to the yt short i commented on?
yes of course
3:57
"Theven thousand nine hundred cash"
Farming mecha base while solo requires a good brain without a single mistake.
Place golden scouts for early defend
Place farm, upgrade lvl 1, place another farm, upgrade lvl 1, wait until your money reached 550, upgrade lvl2 2 farms, place 1 farm, upgrade to lvl 1 and 2, upgrade 3 farms to lvl 3, wait until you reached 5k and then you place mecha base.
That just means you need 400+ health😂
@@Xtraorditty not fallen just molten.
the fact that level 2 war machine had around 14 base damage in the past is wild. (thats around 140 dps)
Can u do a 20 min video going over all the optimal levels for each obtainable tower( including event towers tho) basically a compilation
Bro that discord sound had me thinking I was going crazy then I realized it was from the vid
can you do electroshocker vs warden
where did the afk gold/hardcore videos go?
I didn’t even know you were friends with sinister pumpkin 🙀 you 2 are some of my favorite tds RUclipsrs
yessir 🤝🤝
I ending up learning math when I was trying to see mechs base and war machine stats
I had a ratio test today and all I had in my head was “cost ratio of 69 dps per 1k spent”
I’ve heard that war machine may get a rework, but damn mecha is op
How it's a admin tower why does it need a rework
@@hadijahabutazil9132all admin towers eventually get released to the public
Great collab!
Wow couldn't believe you guys collabs on one video you guys are new Tds RUclipsrs but already collabs
Bonus:i was knew this at CORSO X SinisterPumpkin video but i late💀
Imo mecha is better than war machine but not bc war machine is weak(imo it's quite balanced as it does a lot of dps plus it gives buffs) but bc mecha base is way to underpriced(like i think it should cost around war machine to max)
I agree but also don't Mecha base should be 10k below the war machine overall price like it's just too expensive for war machine to max
i would still take both of them if i had the opportunity
Yooooo who is hyped for his rework analysis
This video Is soo cool
Now that the mercenary base is here i think mercenary base is like war machine combined with mecha base
He's teaching us life lessons
For tds that is
The war machine is being added as a HC tower
I'll get to the point: buffs numbers/percentages cannot be compared but the type of buffs could. Remember this for future comparisons!
Yes! The damage buff for low damage towers does like nothing if it's like 1 damage it might not boost but if it's something like ranger it's extremely damage buff
I bet goat blue head making video on accel rn 🗿
bro is so goated
Mark 5 you can spam with a admin spawn unit command
War machine can be no tower limit command and place a lot of them
So both are great paired with commands but war machine inf spam can be better
Love the vids!
glad you like them 🙏
gotta appreciate the AI voice that sinisterpumpkin uses
War machine is like cowboy. Commander that can shoot continuously. You still better off using commander tho. But I guess you could make both commander and war machine stack. If they release War Machine to public, they HAVE to buff it
I want a mecha base rework because I want the devs to make the mecha design not a damn zed on legs
the War Machine would actually be somewhat balanced if released in modern TDS in my opinion
I saw the war machine in the old crossroad map
How can you calculate dps with fire rate and damage?
Dang already uploaded in discord
Who noticed that War machine is the only smiley face guy rn:
Bro is better then most school teachers
why is nobody talking about mark 6?
War machine needs a price decrease and a placement limit of 2 because it’s only useful for the damage buff
I like how he says all this when it doesn’t even matter because we can’t get the towers. Still cool video
Tbh war machine is pretty good tower for ranger at this moment (december 2023) the ranger has 1125 dmg at max lvl, war machine 20% dmg buff could add 225 dmg to the rangers dmg per shot.
0:15 I thought I had an actual Discord Ping
Lemme be honest if there is bosses with more health war machine we be a HUGE help due to buff us op
i fr chek my ds bro cuz of the sound man
bro your a tds math teacher W guy respect
im pretty sure the mecha base can collide with flying enemies as well
New accel buff is here no random damage i rhink it has now 400 dps atleast
Accel rework: Hold my DPS
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I wanted to say something you forgot war machine doesn’t have hidden detection
Your voice was much deeper before.
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how long does it take to read all the comments?
not long, I check pretty often 👍
My brain hurt and go boom boom but no seriously bruh
pro video as usual 👍
corso best
Its the mecha base because my use to be admin friend told me and showed me
At this point Corso is the new lordbiggesthead
he still my son tho 💯
@@CORSOBLOX W
I got the blue head too
Corso shoulder pal? Real or Fake?
coming up 💯
I made some maths, so let's get a tower that has 10 DMG per 0.1 seconds, 100 DPS
If we take comander's 55% firerate buff, then its firerate will be 0.045, which will have a 222 DPS !
But if we take war machine's damage buff (10%) it will have 110 DPS, or if we take 20% we will have 120 DPS
Comander is both cheaper, and stronger! So yeah, there you have it
I think War machine. the best tower if you're using as a Support. Which is the one I wanted?
War machine can stay dev exclusive
But mecha base should be in game imo
cant wait mecha base as hardcore tower
same, but it would definitely be more balanced
a youtuber who replies to comments :O absolute w's
yessir 🤝🤝
Mecha base is basically zed with legs
Zed with legs vs commando but as good as accelerator
If they add war machine they should make it wayyy cheaper
i legit thougt that somebody wrote me on discord as "big balls" spammed him
got me laughing so hard
Great video, keep it up
thank you 🙏
Admin tower go brrrr
sinisterpumpkin's opinions don't count so overall good video
But ranger gets 200 extra dmg a shot thats gota be better than commanders boost
*War machine enter the chat*
*Mecha base enter the chat*
*monster appeared*
*mecha base has left the chat*
But war machine has 430dps?
There is issue with mecha base. And it's path unit tower which are pretty much worst tower type in tds. If it destroyed it no longer does dps. And gotta wait for whole minute which by that time many other towers would ended up doing more dps. It would been good tower in earlier version but it's current stats are outdated. Where we got 3 modes enemies gets high hp. Especially on Polluted Wasteland where mecha base health sustainability gets quickly non existent.
You can put 4 and by the time the mecha dies another spawned
@@Xtraorditty but still very easily destroyed.
I saw you in a game yesterday, so many people begging you to friend them lol
i mean war machine is good and all but 75K FOR ITS LVL 5 UPGRADE IS INSANE THATS LIKE 4 MAX MECHA BASES AND A LVL LIKE 3 ONE
I agree! Dude why is it so expensive
Bro called my math teacher bad is 780 languages
Yay
😮😮😮 Mecha base better then accel??