Eq on Parallel Compression Channels Explained: Easiest way to solve phase problems

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  • Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024

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  • @nickdenardo6479
    @nickdenardo6479 7 месяцев назад +2

    you've done it again.
    i pretty much always use a parallel compression channel in my drum mix. i usually slap a pultec style eq on it to fatten it up, but now, i plan to make my eq moves on the source track to affect the blend of the two. this seems like the right move as you've said.
    maybe I'll come back and edit this comment after trying it on a few tunes.
    thanks so much

  • @Melvin7727
    @Melvin7727 5 лет назад +7

    At around the 8-10 minute area, where you increased the HPF/Low cut on the parallel track and demonstrated how that resulted in MORE bass instead of less, my mind was truly blown. The most revealing lesson on phase shift I've ever seen and I'm learning so much.

  • @octaviohenrique.n
    @octaviohenrique.n 5 месяцев назад

    Cool, with the polarity flip you can see exactly what the Eq is doing regards cancellation... I've done this for comps, didn't thought of doing for Eq. Thanks for sharing your best knowlege, showing in details for free in YT such valuable information. Like the other videos i've watched here , worth a billion views and likes! Stay awesome!

  • @peterpepper868
    @peterpepper868 5 лет назад +3

    This has been a game changer for me - I find myself saying that with a lot of your content though to be honest, doubly so as you answer so many topical questions in the comments section.
    Cheers to you good sir 🍻

  • @bmjw18
    @bmjw18 8 лет назад +10

    Dude. This is great! extremely informative. I've noticed these things but never understood what was going on.

  • @alessandrosummer
    @alessandrosummer 12 дней назад

    Great video! In my latest song I managed to use the phase cancellation to my advantage: I had a mono double on a vocal (only in the intro) and I added a telephone filter (along with brickwall compression and very nasty distortion) and it sounded AWESOME with the lead vocal: it suited the vibe of this section perfectly! That's also what mixing engineers do all the time when mixing drums: the snare top and snare bottom need different EQ work but the phase shift it's compensated (mostly with levels).

  • @JayTheYTGuy
    @JayTheYTGuy 6 лет назад +5

    I came straight to this after experiencing phasing problems! This helped so much! Thanks

    • @JayTheYTGuy
      @JayTheYTGuy 6 лет назад

      Have any Par Comp videos just like this with vocals and specific tips for them? Thanks.

  • @AboveEmAllProduction
    @AboveEmAllProduction 5 лет назад

    everytime i have an issue and i google/youtube search your videos comes up time and time again. this is excellent and such a revelation. am aspiring mastering engineer and i learn so much from this channel

  • @DesperadoStudios
    @DesperadoStudios 8 лет назад +3

    Hi Mixbus TV, great video and topic! You said in the video that you can avoid the phase problem by eq'ing the source instead of the parallel track and i think it's important to note that that only applies if you eq a parallel aux. Some people prefer to do parallel processing on a duplicated audio track and in that case it wont help to eq "the source", since both tracks would be the source (so to speak). Cheers!

  • @QuabmasM
    @QuabmasM 8 лет назад

    Wow....i never noticed this. Mixbus, youre a life saver man. You saved me and us hours and hours of chasing our tail and not knowing where the issue is coming from.

  • @PERRECTUMpl
    @PERRECTUMpl 7 лет назад

    That's a very eye-opening video. I was in that kick-phase-cancel madness all the time, and couldn't figure it out why it is happening. Thank you very much for this one!

  • @DavidDiMuzio
    @DavidDiMuzio 6 лет назад +4

    Super helpful man. This definitely made feel like I need to be more thoughtful about what and how I use Busses, which I guess are in themselves "parallel channels" where the phase cancelation can happen..? For instance most reverbs I put on busses also have some EQ built in as part of the reverb or delay effect plugin..

    • @ezrashanti
      @ezrashanti 3 года назад

      Busses are only "parallel channels" if you're still sending the original channels that feed the bus to the mixbus also.

    • @mdjilane4880
      @mdjilane4880 2 года назад

  • @stephen7185
    @stephen7185 4 года назад +1

    I feel like you've just saved me from a shit ton of errors. Thanks man!

  • @MrGeekymusic
    @MrGeekymusic 4 года назад

    Thanks for such a great channel that contains so many gems of info.
    I just wondered what people think of setting up your parallel, doing what you want on it, then committing a version and shifting it around to get the best sound. I find it works a lot of the time, and it's a decision made to boot.

  • @rjbullock
    @rjbullock 6 лет назад +3

    Holy shit is this helpful! I could never figure out how to really hear what frequencies phase cancellation was affecting. I feel empowered, ha ha!

  • @DeeKeyLP
    @DeeKeyLP 4 года назад +1

    That's why i EQ busses, not individual tracks of the same instrument! Thank you.

  • @chossypratama9797
    @chossypratama9797 8 лет назад

    Great inside explanation, very informative and clearly explained
    We can even use it to lower the energy of unwanted frequencies, have never tried to eq a compressed parallel channel, will try it though.....thanks a lot

  • @ChristianIce
    @ChristianIce 7 лет назад +1

    Using a parametric eq instead of a hi pass would also help.
    Wait, it was *you* teaching me that trick :D

  • @bitflux2
    @bitflux2 8 лет назад +1

    excellent, best parallel processing video on youtube

  • @renejrhodes88
    @renejrhodes88 8 лет назад +1

    Really nice Video. Hands on a very important and practical problem. Thx David!

  • @deflodocus
    @deflodocus 8 лет назад +1

    This is a great video, man. Thank you!
    *hastily returns to current project to fix kick*

  • @rockymountainrocker5630
    @rockymountainrocker5630 8 лет назад +1

    great channel and this topic is here right when I need it.. I've had some issues and this is perfect, thank you.

  • @peterbrandt7911
    @peterbrandt7911 5 лет назад +1

    Old, but good! Thanks David

  • @BrotherhoodWilliams
    @BrotherhoodWilliams 8 лет назад

    RIGHT ON TIME. (been mixing 1 song for 3 days)

  • @krysvonbloom
    @krysvonbloom 4 года назад

    Really good video on an really important topic. Before watching this video i had a lot of questionmarks in my head but now it seems like they were replaced with exclamation marks :)

  • @SleepNoMore720
    @SleepNoMore720 8 лет назад

    Great info! I always tend to get these phase problems every time I add the Renaissance De-esser on my vocal parallel channel before or after the compression. weird. This definitely helps!

  • @expandprod
    @expandprod 3 года назад +1

    thx for the great content! what about using linear phase mode when parallel eqing ?

  • @NathanCavaleriMusic
    @NathanCavaleriMusic 2 года назад

    Awesome advice and well explained!!

  • @lahattec
    @lahattec 3 года назад

    Found one! Great stuff. Great job! Thanks!

  • @marioCazares
    @marioCazares 3 года назад

    I wish I had found your channel way earlier because you have golden content

  • @4EverEvolving1
    @4EverEvolving1 8 лет назад

    Thank you for the super detailed and well explained tip. This is very use full.

  • @hilltop9395
    @hilltop9395 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for an excellent tutorial . I'd like to know if the same cancellation happens when you boost the bass freq on the parrallel channel? Thanks

  • @Hugoknots
    @Hugoknots 4 года назад

    extremely informative and very concise presentation of the issue at hand. good shit @mixbustv, and thank you

  • @NishantRastogi
    @NishantRastogi Год назад

    Isn’t using a linear Eq on parallel processing is the best solution?

  • @unao3637
    @unao3637 4 года назад +1

    Wow great great Vid Sir!!!

  • @TimeMarchesOn
    @TimeMarchesOn 8 лет назад +1

    Great topic and information thank you.

  • @bestspencerxfanpage7764
    @bestspencerxfanpage7764 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the video. Will try this in my next recording!

  • @irecki1
    @irecki1 5 лет назад

    Mixbus rock’n again! Dave, if you will open recording, mixing school I’m gonna be a first student

  • @CarcPazu
    @CarcPazu 8 лет назад

    I was wondering if you would be interested to make a video about Pro Tools' stock plugins; what you're using, what's usable, what you stay clear of. For instance, a friend told me that if he needs to EQ something past 3db up, he doesn't like to use the stock EQ so he switches to something else. Anyway, just an idea.

  • @wowerman
    @wowerman 7 лет назад

    Thanks for another video. I have a question.Is a golden rule to eq parallel channel after delay or reverb effects in majority of cases to avoid instrument or vocal sounding thin or distorted?Does this subject tackle phase shift as delay between dry singnal from non compressed channel and compressed?Is that the same problem?thanks

  • @TNStutorials
    @TNStutorials 7 лет назад

    Nicely explained, love the concept!

  • @ronaldanderson9263
    @ronaldanderson9263 8 лет назад

    Good stuff here. Thanks David.

  • @MarkRoskillyGuitar
    @MarkRoskillyGuitar 8 лет назад

    hi. glad I subbed to your channel. I wondered if you have a regular plugin you use to check for phase issues when say for example... I use a bass midi (Trilian) then parallel process it with 2 different amps for low warmth and a middle distorted presence. after they've both gone through their two separate virtual amps, they will arrive at the mix bus at two slightly different times, how do you know how much to delay one of those track by? I know by ear... but also is their a plugin that will show you visually what the phase comparison is, and how much to delay one by? if you can demo this one in the not too distant future that would be great ... thanks :-)

    • @MarkRoskillyGuitar
      @MarkRoskillyGuitar 8 лет назад

      Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
      i'll definitely be paying more attention to low end mixing from now on, with the focus now on NOT what is there... but what have I taken away already that I probably could use in a good way. :)

  • @daviddawson283
    @daviddawson283 8 лет назад +1

    Could you use a linear phase eq on the parallel channel to avoid phase problems?? Does it work like that?

    • @AvivC1
      @AvivC1 8 лет назад +1

      i believe so!

  • @gainbowmusic
    @gainbowmusic 8 лет назад

    very technical topic, but so interesting!

  • @Greenmantislives
    @Greenmantislives 6 лет назад

    David, if you use a linear phase EQ can you avoid the problem you are speaking of on the parallel bus?

  • @michayp1581
    @michayp1581 8 лет назад

    Hi ! As always - great video ! what happens when you send your dry signal to bus and to the same bus you send parallel compression signal and then eq? will this caused another phase problems ?

    • @michayp1581
      @michayp1581 8 лет назад

      Yeah. You're right. My bad :)

  • @JoceOfficial
    @JoceOfficial 8 лет назад

    This is great! Thanks a lot. Keep it up, very interesting.

  • @Astrovic1
    @Astrovic1 2 года назад

    does phase cancellation still occurr if we instead equalize a kick bus with the parallel channel and original kick in it?

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +1

      No that's exactly what I suggest to do

  • @dustandashes3
    @dustandashes3 6 лет назад

    Hi David, thank you for the awesome vid! I had a couple of questions. Do the same phase issues occur when placing a second eq in a chain of inserts? Lets say i cut on first eq, then comp, then add a boost eq, and do some further cutting in the low end. Wldnt that result in the same phase issues?
    My second question is similar, lets say you have two or three snare tracks bussed to a combined snare buss, which goes to an 'all drums' buss. And lets say im eq'ing the upper mids on all the individual snare tracks, then eq some more on the combined snare buss, then add another eq on the drum buss. Wld those instances of eq cause phase issues?
    I ask because the parallel comping and eqing is essentially a copy of the same track, with an additional eq, so im thinking adding serial eqs within the same insert chain wld cause the same or similar issues.
    Thank you so much again!

    • @dustandashes3
      @dustandashes3 6 лет назад

      MixbusTV ah ic i think the missing link for me is that two instances of a track w different eqing results in phase shifting bc of the two differently filtered freqs overlapping, while mult eqs on a single track does not pose the same prob.
      Either way this video has reminded me to listen keenly for anything ive parallel processed. Thank you for being a great resource!

  • @cartofgiant
    @cartofgiant 3 года назад

    Very well said

  • @Astrovic1
    @Astrovic1 2 года назад

    why shouldn't be there a phase shift when equalizing the origin/main kick? because we filter out the low end or because we send the origin to a parallel channel before equalizing so both sources don't occur at same spot?

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +1

      The phase shift takes pla5the moment you use the filter. But there's no problem with that inherently, the problem only happens in RELATIONSHIP with a copy of the track (parallel), two identical tracks, if the copy is filtered now the relationship with the original is messed up. If you filter the original that is your origin signal, the parallel is a copy of the already filtered signal there can't be any cancellation

    • @Astrovic1
      @Astrovic1 2 года назад

      @@mixbustv aaah now I understand!! now it all seems logic to me. thank you

  • @gladhappy9076
    @gladhappy9076 8 лет назад +1

    I was just thinking about this. What would linear phase eq do on a parallel chain? I know it causes delay. But wouldn't your daw compensate for that? I just don't have a linear phase eq to experiment with.

    • @gladhappy9076
      @gladhappy9076 8 лет назад

      Thanks for the response and the video.

    • @mcadder
      @mcadder 7 лет назад +1

      Yes, this is a time you should use a linear phase eq. To use a non linear eq, like in this video, is a no no.

    • @mcadder
      @mcadder 7 лет назад

      Well.... maybe change daw to one that handles latency a bit better ;) I can not understand why people still use Pro Tools? I used PT for over 15 years and last year I finally changed to Reaper. I'm in heaven! :o)

    • @tuantranproduction
      @tuantranproduction 7 лет назад

      so, use linear EQ on parallel channel for the best EQ option, right?

  • @tm8473
    @tm8473 5 лет назад

    my two cent is to avoid hpfs, lpfs and notches because those are the most aggressive filters in term of phase shift.

  • @kageprotv2922
    @kageprotv2922 5 лет назад

    Very usefull vidéo. But what about EQing a sum kick (source + parralel)?

  • @paulstefanowicz4236
    @paulstefanowicz4236 4 года назад

    Great video; thank you.

  • @streetlogic
    @streetlogic 4 года назад

    Could this happen on an vocal reverb send. If eq the reverb channel?

  • @BenJamminKraftbc
    @BenJamminKraftbc 5 лет назад

    You are a hero man!!!!!

  • @aviozstudio4903
    @aviozstudio4903 4 года назад +1

    thank you so much :D

  • @virtuozlaboucledor9083
    @virtuozlaboucledor9083 6 лет назад +1

    hypnotising this voice xD

  • @Crochet9847
    @Crochet9847 8 лет назад

    Good job !!

  • @tohrofficial1528
    @tohrofficial1528 8 лет назад

    Thank you very much

  • @mvh2275
    @mvh2275 7 лет назад

    Thanks David.

  • @Bring_MeSunshine
    @Bring_MeSunshine Год назад

    So, I wanted to watch as many good vis as I could find on YT, about this parallel compression. This is something I've used, but I've never used EQ on the parallel channel, at least not directly. But I have used saturation or mild distortion. If you are adding upper harmonics, and boosting, or changing the tonal nature of the signal, you are effectively 'EQ'ing' the signal are, you not?

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  Год назад +1

      Effectively yes, that being the same as eq? No. With a saturator the MOA is different (and that's why I so often teach the use of saturators instead of eq's), and you don't have the phase shift (which is how eq perform their task)

    • @Bring_MeSunshine
      @Bring_MeSunshine Год назад

      @@mixbustv Cheers boss, I understand now. And I needed that information, from someone with your pro experience

  • @seriosmusic
    @seriosmusic 3 года назад

    For vocals, I usually only do subtractive EQ before compression and then additive EQ after. If I do the exact same additive EQ on the dry signal and the parallel compression signal, will that still cause phase issues?

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  3 года назад

      Why you want to complicate things? Correct the dry, send to parallel, bus the two together and do whatever else you need to do on the sum. Simple.

    • @seriosmusic
      @seriosmusic 3 года назад

      @@mixbustv I keep them separate because I end up adding other things to the dry signal like the soundtoys devil loc, abbey road saturator, etc. that I haven't been adding onto the parallel signal. But I guess I could just add it to both signals but turn down the amount to half.

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  3 года назад

      @@seriosmusic don't do that. Plug-ins will shift phase to some extent even if they're not eqs. You need to better understand what do you want from the parallel, you should add a parallel when you're done with the dry sound, then parallel and adjust the sum accordingly, more tweaking needed must be done on the dry which will also affect the parallel but at that point you don't care because those two tracks are now to be considered one, end of phase problems.

    • @seriosmusic
      @seriosmusic 3 года назад

      @@mixbustv Ahhhhh okay, I didn't think the other plugins could affect the phase. Glad I asked about this, thank you!

  • @jonnyidle
    @jonnyidle 8 лет назад

    absolute legend

  • @kageprotv2922
    @kageprotv2922 5 лет назад

    And also wath about Equing aux return fx?

  • @xinkay
    @xinkay 6 лет назад

    Phase flip =/= polarity flip
    there is no something like phase flip. Movement of phase is degrees, so what is flip? 180* degree? even if you will move phase 180*, polarity can be the same. So let's use word polarity guys :P

  • @johnwhitt2393
    @johnwhitt2393 8 лет назад

    You sir, are a badass. Great vid!

  • @joshwest8882
    @joshwest8882 8 лет назад

    would the effect still happen if you had used a linear eq?

    • @joshwest8882
      @joshwest8882 8 лет назад

      +MixbusTV
      thanks!
      I must of missed that part. lol
      I did watch this right after I woke up

  • @roudiiprod
    @roudiiprod 4 года назад

    thank you so much bro ;)

  • @paulalexander5095
    @paulalexander5095 7 лет назад

    WOW!!! Thank YOu!

  • @theashkone1530
    @theashkone1530 4 года назад

    Maybe doin upward compression instead of parallel compression and eq the whole signal?!?!?!?

  • @qsur
    @qsur 4 года назад

    Use fabfilter!?

  • @golbeatspro
    @golbeatspro 8 лет назад

    Great

  • @theiriscen
    @theiriscen 4 года назад +1

    Now i just click like before watching the video

  • @Bring_MeSunshine
    @Bring_MeSunshine 4 года назад +2

    Me again, just back to drink from the font

  • @BongRecords
    @BongRecords 6 лет назад

    Interesting

  • @sweetbriarhuslin7371
    @sweetbriarhuslin7371 7 лет назад

    shouldn't you have the same plugins opened on the kick channel as the parallel channel in order to avoid phasing? or does that not matter when using pro tools? (i'm an fl studio user)

  • @CarcPazu
    @CarcPazu 8 лет назад

    Really interesting video. That's quite a mindfuck! I'll need to be careful with that. Thank you

  • @FranckBossi
    @FranckBossi 3 года назад

    So better not EQ the bus?

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  3 года назад

      Where did you get that from?

    • @FranckBossi
      @FranckBossi 3 года назад

      @@mixbustv if i've got an EQ on the delay bus and another on the track. it's going to be messing each other i guess

  • @raingodmusic
    @raingodmusic 6 лет назад

    omg thank you soooooo much