you've done it again. i pretty much always use a parallel compression channel in my drum mix. i usually slap a pultec style eq on it to fatten it up, but now, i plan to make my eq moves on the source track to affect the blend of the two. this seems like the right move as you've said. maybe I'll come back and edit this comment after trying it on a few tunes. thanks so much
At around the 8-10 minute area, where you increased the HPF/Low cut on the parallel track and demonstrated how that resulted in MORE bass instead of less, my mind was truly blown. The most revealing lesson on phase shift I've ever seen and I'm learning so much.
Cool, with the polarity flip you can see exactly what the Eq is doing regards cancellation... I've done this for comps, didn't thought of doing for Eq. Thanks for sharing your best knowlege, showing in details for free in YT such valuable information. Like the other videos i've watched here , worth a billion views and likes! Stay awesome!
This has been a game changer for me - I find myself saying that with a lot of your content though to be honest, doubly so as you answer so many topical questions in the comments section. Cheers to you good sir 🍻
Great video! In my latest song I managed to use the phase cancellation to my advantage: I had a mono double on a vocal (only in the intro) and I added a telephone filter (along with brickwall compression and very nasty distortion) and it sounded AWESOME with the lead vocal: it suited the vibe of this section perfectly! That's also what mixing engineers do all the time when mixing drums: the snare top and snare bottom need different EQ work but the phase shift it's compensated (mostly with levels).
everytime i have an issue and i google/youtube search your videos comes up time and time again. this is excellent and such a revelation. am aspiring mastering engineer and i learn so much from this channel
Hi Mixbus TV, great video and topic! You said in the video that you can avoid the phase problem by eq'ing the source instead of the parallel track and i think it's important to note that that only applies if you eq a parallel aux. Some people prefer to do parallel processing on a duplicated audio track and in that case it wont help to eq "the source", since both tracks would be the source (so to speak). Cheers!
Wow....i never noticed this. Mixbus, youre a life saver man. You saved me and us hours and hours of chasing our tail and not knowing where the issue is coming from.
That's a very eye-opening video. I was in that kick-phase-cancel madness all the time, and couldn't figure it out why it is happening. Thank you very much for this one!
Super helpful man. This definitely made feel like I need to be more thoughtful about what and how I use Busses, which I guess are in themselves "parallel channels" where the phase cancelation can happen..? For instance most reverbs I put on busses also have some EQ built in as part of the reverb or delay effect plugin..
Thanks for such a great channel that contains so many gems of info. I just wondered what people think of setting up your parallel, doing what you want on it, then committing a version and shifting it around to get the best sound. I find it works a lot of the time, and it's a decision made to boot.
Great inside explanation, very informative and clearly explained We can even use it to lower the energy of unwanted frequencies, have never tried to eq a compressed parallel channel, will try it though.....thanks a lot
Really good video on an really important topic. Before watching this video i had a lot of questionmarks in my head but now it seems like they were replaced with exclamation marks :)
Great info! I always tend to get these phase problems every time I add the Renaissance De-esser on my vocal parallel channel before or after the compression. weird. This definitely helps!
I was wondering if you would be interested to make a video about Pro Tools' stock plugins; what you're using, what's usable, what you stay clear of. For instance, a friend told me that if he needs to EQ something past 3db up, he doesn't like to use the stock EQ so he switches to something else. Anyway, just an idea.
Thanks for another video. I have a question.Is a golden rule to eq parallel channel after delay or reverb effects in majority of cases to avoid instrument or vocal sounding thin or distorted?Does this subject tackle phase shift as delay between dry singnal from non compressed channel and compressed?Is that the same problem?thanks
hi. glad I subbed to your channel. I wondered if you have a regular plugin you use to check for phase issues when say for example... I use a bass midi (Trilian) then parallel process it with 2 different amps for low warmth and a middle distorted presence. after they've both gone through their two separate virtual amps, they will arrive at the mix bus at two slightly different times, how do you know how much to delay one of those track by? I know by ear... but also is their a plugin that will show you visually what the phase comparison is, and how much to delay one by? if you can demo this one in the not too distant future that would be great ... thanks :-)
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated. i'll definitely be paying more attention to low end mixing from now on, with the focus now on NOT what is there... but what have I taken away already that I probably could use in a good way. :)
Hi ! As always - great video ! what happens when you send your dry signal to bus and to the same bus you send parallel compression signal and then eq? will this caused another phase problems ?
Hi David, thank you for the awesome vid! I had a couple of questions. Do the same phase issues occur when placing a second eq in a chain of inserts? Lets say i cut on first eq, then comp, then add a boost eq, and do some further cutting in the low end. Wldnt that result in the same phase issues? My second question is similar, lets say you have two or three snare tracks bussed to a combined snare buss, which goes to an 'all drums' buss. And lets say im eq'ing the upper mids on all the individual snare tracks, then eq some more on the combined snare buss, then add another eq on the drum buss. Wld those instances of eq cause phase issues? I ask because the parallel comping and eqing is essentially a copy of the same track, with an additional eq, so im thinking adding serial eqs within the same insert chain wld cause the same or similar issues. Thank you so much again!
MixbusTV ah ic i think the missing link for me is that two instances of a track w different eqing results in phase shifting bc of the two differently filtered freqs overlapping, while mult eqs on a single track does not pose the same prob. Either way this video has reminded me to listen keenly for anything ive parallel processed. Thank you for being a great resource!
why shouldn't be there a phase shift when equalizing the origin/main kick? because we filter out the low end or because we send the origin to a parallel channel before equalizing so both sources don't occur at same spot?
The phase shift takes pla5the moment you use the filter. But there's no problem with that inherently, the problem only happens in RELATIONSHIP with a copy of the track (parallel), two identical tracks, if the copy is filtered now the relationship with the original is messed up. If you filter the original that is your origin signal, the parallel is a copy of the already filtered signal there can't be any cancellation
I was just thinking about this. What would linear phase eq do on a parallel chain? I know it causes delay. But wouldn't your daw compensate for that? I just don't have a linear phase eq to experiment with.
Well.... maybe change daw to one that handles latency a bit better ;) I can not understand why people still use Pro Tools? I used PT for over 15 years and last year I finally changed to Reaper. I'm in heaven! :o)
So, I wanted to watch as many good vis as I could find on YT, about this parallel compression. This is something I've used, but I've never used EQ on the parallel channel, at least not directly. But I have used saturation or mild distortion. If you are adding upper harmonics, and boosting, or changing the tonal nature of the signal, you are effectively 'EQ'ing' the signal are, you not?
Effectively yes, that being the same as eq? No. With a saturator the MOA is different (and that's why I so often teach the use of saturators instead of eq's), and you don't have the phase shift (which is how eq perform their task)
For vocals, I usually only do subtractive EQ before compression and then additive EQ after. If I do the exact same additive EQ on the dry signal and the parallel compression signal, will that still cause phase issues?
@@mixbustv I keep them separate because I end up adding other things to the dry signal like the soundtoys devil loc, abbey road saturator, etc. that I haven't been adding onto the parallel signal. But I guess I could just add it to both signals but turn down the amount to half.
@@seriosmusic don't do that. Plug-ins will shift phase to some extent even if they're not eqs. You need to better understand what do you want from the parallel, you should add a parallel when you're done with the dry sound, then parallel and adjust the sum accordingly, more tweaking needed must be done on the dry which will also affect the parallel but at that point you don't care because those two tracks are now to be considered one, end of phase problems.
Phase flip =/= polarity flip there is no something like phase flip. Movement of phase is degrees, so what is flip? 180* degree? even if you will move phase 180*, polarity can be the same. So let's use word polarity guys :P
shouldn't you have the same plugins opened on the kick channel as the parallel channel in order to avoid phasing? or does that not matter when using pro tools? (i'm an fl studio user)
you've done it again.
i pretty much always use a parallel compression channel in my drum mix. i usually slap a pultec style eq on it to fatten it up, but now, i plan to make my eq moves on the source track to affect the blend of the two. this seems like the right move as you've said.
maybe I'll come back and edit this comment after trying it on a few tunes.
thanks so much
At around the 8-10 minute area, where you increased the HPF/Low cut on the parallel track and demonstrated how that resulted in MORE bass instead of less, my mind was truly blown. The most revealing lesson on phase shift I've ever seen and I'm learning so much.
Cool, with the polarity flip you can see exactly what the Eq is doing regards cancellation... I've done this for comps, didn't thought of doing for Eq. Thanks for sharing your best knowlege, showing in details for free in YT such valuable information. Like the other videos i've watched here , worth a billion views and likes! Stay awesome!
This has been a game changer for me - I find myself saying that with a lot of your content though to be honest, doubly so as you answer so many topical questions in the comments section.
Cheers to you good sir 🍻
Dude. This is great! extremely informative. I've noticed these things but never understood what was going on.
Great video! In my latest song I managed to use the phase cancellation to my advantage: I had a mono double on a vocal (only in the intro) and I added a telephone filter (along with brickwall compression and very nasty distortion) and it sounded AWESOME with the lead vocal: it suited the vibe of this section perfectly! That's also what mixing engineers do all the time when mixing drums: the snare top and snare bottom need different EQ work but the phase shift it's compensated (mostly with levels).
I came straight to this after experiencing phasing problems! This helped so much! Thanks
Have any Par Comp videos just like this with vocals and specific tips for them? Thanks.
everytime i have an issue and i google/youtube search your videos comes up time and time again. this is excellent and such a revelation. am aspiring mastering engineer and i learn so much from this channel
Hi Mixbus TV, great video and topic! You said in the video that you can avoid the phase problem by eq'ing the source instead of the parallel track and i think it's important to note that that only applies if you eq a parallel aux. Some people prefer to do parallel processing on a duplicated audio track and in that case it wont help to eq "the source", since both tracks would be the source (so to speak). Cheers!
Wow....i never noticed this. Mixbus, youre a life saver man. You saved me and us hours and hours of chasing our tail and not knowing where the issue is coming from.
That's a very eye-opening video. I was in that kick-phase-cancel madness all the time, and couldn't figure it out why it is happening. Thank you very much for this one!
Super helpful man. This definitely made feel like I need to be more thoughtful about what and how I use Busses, which I guess are in themselves "parallel channels" where the phase cancelation can happen..? For instance most reverbs I put on busses also have some EQ built in as part of the reverb or delay effect plugin..
Busses are only "parallel channels" if you're still sending the original channels that feed the bus to the mixbus also.
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I feel like you've just saved me from a shit ton of errors. Thanks man!
Thanks for such a great channel that contains so many gems of info.
I just wondered what people think of setting up your parallel, doing what you want on it, then committing a version and shifting it around to get the best sound. I find it works a lot of the time, and it's a decision made to boot.
Holy shit is this helpful! I could never figure out how to really hear what frequencies phase cancellation was affecting. I feel empowered, ha ha!
That's why i EQ busses, not individual tracks of the same instrument! Thank you.
Great inside explanation, very informative and clearly explained
We can even use it to lower the energy of unwanted frequencies, have never tried to eq a compressed parallel channel, will try it though.....thanks a lot
Using a parametric eq instead of a hi pass would also help.
Wait, it was *you* teaching me that trick :D
excellent, best parallel processing video on youtube
Really nice Video. Hands on a very important and practical problem. Thx David!
This is a great video, man. Thank you!
*hastily returns to current project to fix kick*
great channel and this topic is here right when I need it.. I've had some issues and this is perfect, thank you.
Old, but good! Thanks David
Why old ?
RIGHT ON TIME. (been mixing 1 song for 3 days)
Really good video on an really important topic. Before watching this video i had a lot of questionmarks in my head but now it seems like they were replaced with exclamation marks :)
Great info! I always tend to get these phase problems every time I add the Renaissance De-esser on my vocal parallel channel before or after the compression. weird. This definitely helps!
thx for the great content! what about using linear phase mode when parallel eqing ?
Awesome advice and well explained!!
Found one! Great stuff. Great job! Thanks!
I wish I had found your channel way earlier because you have golden content
Thank you for the super detailed and well explained tip. This is very use full.
Thanks for an excellent tutorial . I'd like to know if the same cancellation happens when you boost the bass freq on the parrallel channel? Thanks
This ^
extremely informative and very concise presentation of the issue at hand. good shit @mixbustv, and thank you
Isn’t using a linear Eq on parallel processing is the best solution?
Wow great great Vid Sir!!!
Great topic and information thank you.
Thanks for the video. Will try this in my next recording!
Mixbus rock’n again! Dave, if you will open recording, mixing school I’m gonna be a first student
I was wondering if you would be interested to make a video about Pro Tools' stock plugins; what you're using, what's usable, what you stay clear of. For instance, a friend told me that if he needs to EQ something past 3db up, he doesn't like to use the stock EQ so he switches to something else. Anyway, just an idea.
Thanks for another video. I have a question.Is a golden rule to eq parallel channel after delay or reverb effects in majority of cases to avoid instrument or vocal sounding thin or distorted?Does this subject tackle phase shift as delay between dry singnal from non compressed channel and compressed?Is that the same problem?thanks
Nicely explained, love the concept!
Good stuff here. Thanks David.
hi. glad I subbed to your channel. I wondered if you have a regular plugin you use to check for phase issues when say for example... I use a bass midi (Trilian) then parallel process it with 2 different amps for low warmth and a middle distorted presence. after they've both gone through their two separate virtual amps, they will arrive at the mix bus at two slightly different times, how do you know how much to delay one of those track by? I know by ear... but also is their a plugin that will show you visually what the phase comparison is, and how much to delay one by? if you can demo this one in the not too distant future that would be great ... thanks :-)
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
i'll definitely be paying more attention to low end mixing from now on, with the focus now on NOT what is there... but what have I taken away already that I probably could use in a good way. :)
Could you use a linear phase eq on the parallel channel to avoid phase problems?? Does it work like that?
i believe so!
very technical topic, but so interesting!
David, if you use a linear phase EQ can you avoid the problem you are speaking of on the parallel bus?
Hi ! As always - great video ! what happens when you send your dry signal to bus and to the same bus you send parallel compression signal and then eq? will this caused another phase problems ?
Yeah. You're right. My bad :)
This is great! Thanks a lot. Keep it up, very interesting.
does phase cancellation still occurr if we instead equalize a kick bus with the parallel channel and original kick in it?
No that's exactly what I suggest to do
Hi David, thank you for the awesome vid! I had a couple of questions. Do the same phase issues occur when placing a second eq in a chain of inserts? Lets say i cut on first eq, then comp, then add a boost eq, and do some further cutting in the low end. Wldnt that result in the same phase issues?
My second question is similar, lets say you have two or three snare tracks bussed to a combined snare buss, which goes to an 'all drums' buss. And lets say im eq'ing the upper mids on all the individual snare tracks, then eq some more on the combined snare buss, then add another eq on the drum buss. Wld those instances of eq cause phase issues?
I ask because the parallel comping and eqing is essentially a copy of the same track, with an additional eq, so im thinking adding serial eqs within the same insert chain wld cause the same or similar issues.
Thank you so much again!
MixbusTV ah ic i think the missing link for me is that two instances of a track w different eqing results in phase shifting bc of the two differently filtered freqs overlapping, while mult eqs on a single track does not pose the same prob.
Either way this video has reminded me to listen keenly for anything ive parallel processed. Thank you for being a great resource!
Very well said
why shouldn't be there a phase shift when equalizing the origin/main kick? because we filter out the low end or because we send the origin to a parallel channel before equalizing so both sources don't occur at same spot?
The phase shift takes pla5the moment you use the filter. But there's no problem with that inherently, the problem only happens in RELATIONSHIP with a copy of the track (parallel), two identical tracks, if the copy is filtered now the relationship with the original is messed up. If you filter the original that is your origin signal, the parallel is a copy of the already filtered signal there can't be any cancellation
@@mixbustv aaah now I understand!! now it all seems logic to me. thank you
I was just thinking about this. What would linear phase eq do on a parallel chain? I know it causes delay. But wouldn't your daw compensate for that? I just don't have a linear phase eq to experiment with.
Thanks for the response and the video.
Yes, this is a time you should use a linear phase eq. To use a non linear eq, like in this video, is a no no.
Well.... maybe change daw to one that handles latency a bit better ;) I can not understand why people still use Pro Tools? I used PT for over 15 years and last year I finally changed to Reaper. I'm in heaven! :o)
so, use linear EQ on parallel channel for the best EQ option, right?
my two cent is to avoid hpfs, lpfs and notches because those are the most aggressive filters in term of phase shift.
Very usefull vidéo. But what about EQing a sum kick (source + parralel)?
Great video; thank you.
Could this happen on an vocal reverb send. If eq the reverb channel?
You are a hero man!!!!!
thank you so much :D
hypnotising this voice xD
Good job !!
Thank you very much
Thanks David.
So, I wanted to watch as many good vis as I could find on YT, about this parallel compression. This is something I've used, but I've never used EQ on the parallel channel, at least not directly. But I have used saturation or mild distortion. If you are adding upper harmonics, and boosting, or changing the tonal nature of the signal, you are effectively 'EQ'ing' the signal are, you not?
Effectively yes, that being the same as eq? No. With a saturator the MOA is different (and that's why I so often teach the use of saturators instead of eq's), and you don't have the phase shift (which is how eq perform their task)
@@mixbustv Cheers boss, I understand now. And I needed that information, from someone with your pro experience
For vocals, I usually only do subtractive EQ before compression and then additive EQ after. If I do the exact same additive EQ on the dry signal and the parallel compression signal, will that still cause phase issues?
Why you want to complicate things? Correct the dry, send to parallel, bus the two together and do whatever else you need to do on the sum. Simple.
@@mixbustv I keep them separate because I end up adding other things to the dry signal like the soundtoys devil loc, abbey road saturator, etc. that I haven't been adding onto the parallel signal. But I guess I could just add it to both signals but turn down the amount to half.
@@seriosmusic don't do that. Plug-ins will shift phase to some extent even if they're not eqs. You need to better understand what do you want from the parallel, you should add a parallel when you're done with the dry sound, then parallel and adjust the sum accordingly, more tweaking needed must be done on the dry which will also affect the parallel but at that point you don't care because those two tracks are now to be considered one, end of phase problems.
@@mixbustv Ahhhhh okay, I didn't think the other plugins could affect the phase. Glad I asked about this, thank you!
absolute legend
And also wath about Equing aux return fx?
Phase flip =/= polarity flip
there is no something like phase flip. Movement of phase is degrees, so what is flip? 180* degree? even if you will move phase 180*, polarity can be the same. So let's use word polarity guys :P
You sir, are a badass. Great vid!
would the effect still happen if you had used a linear eq?
+MixbusTV
thanks!
I must of missed that part. lol
I did watch this right after I woke up
thank you so much bro ;)
WOW!!! Thank YOu!
Maybe doin upward compression instead of parallel compression and eq the whole signal?!?!?!?
Use fabfilter!?
Great
Now i just click like before watching the video
Me again, just back to drink from the font
Interesting
shouldn't you have the same plugins opened on the kick channel as the parallel channel in order to avoid phasing? or does that not matter when using pro tools? (i'm an fl studio user)
MixbusTV thankyou sirr
Really interesting video. That's quite a mindfuck! I'll need to be careful with that. Thank you
So better not EQ the bus?
Where did you get that from?
@@mixbustv if i've got an EQ on the delay bus and another on the track. it's going to be messing each other i guess
omg thank you soooooo much