A NIGHTMARE Double-Decker Airplane Seat Design Is In The Works
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- 23-year-old airplane seat designer Alejandro Núñez Vicente designed a double-level seating arrangement that he says is the future of flying for an economical fare. Ana Kasparian and John Iadarola discusses on The Young Turks. shoptyt.com/co...
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"Would you sit directly below another airplane passenger?
It might not sound particularly appealing on paper, but 23-year-old airplane seat designer Alejandro Núñez Vicente believes double-level seating is the future of economy flying.
You may have seen a photo of Núñez Vicente’s Chaise Longue Airplane Seat prototype floating around the internet. Following a CNN Travel exclusive last year, Núñez Vicente’s concept went viral - igniting furious debate and prompting a flurry of reactions from would-be passengers - some outraged, some bemused, some intrigued, some all of the above."
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If the airlines could legally get rid of seats and make people sit on the floor or stand they'd do it in a heartbeat
@@marcosolo6491 Uh, as far as I know, nobody has been killed doing self-checkout at the grocery...and to add, Airlines would get rid of Flight Attendants too if they could.
@@jcreed09 Ryanair announced standing planes a few years back. But it was a publicity stunt . What the airlines are trying to do just now tho is do away with the 2 pilot rules for cargo planes. 😢
The Dutch figured out the most efficient way to transport people in the 17th century.
Just give it time and airlines start doing something similar. Lay down, side by side on two feet high decks.
(Satire, because you know, stupid people.)
That is why companies can not be trusted to self regulate.
I'm waiting for the planes that put everyone in a standing harness, like in a meat locker. No flight attendants, no bathrooms, no in-flight services whatsoever. The planes fly up, and reduce the oxygen, so passengers pass out--or they could just sedate them on the ground. Everyone sleeps the whole flight, and they offload them like cargo at their destination.
This has been an idea for 50 years. It does not pass FAA regulations and adds weight to the aircraft. There is no reason to worry about this actually happening.
Imagine a kid puking over the top seat row. No way, No thank you. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Safety concerns? Needing to evacuate the plane quickly? Mobility concerns? Are they eliminating carry on luggage? Apparently!
Survivalabity of a crash is still zero. Flying is not safe no matter what the airline companies say.
@@jonsturgill8868 LIFE isn't safe!
A plane has a finite load capacity. Therefore more passengers = less baggage capacity = lower baggage allowance = more excess baggage fees = bigger rip off profit levels.
So accurately and precisely said. Thank you.
Dont forget if the plane goes down no survivors.
Most commercial planes aren't even tall enough to accommodate this madness.
This is not new, this was floated a few years ago, it's highly unlikely to happen for one reason: weight! The weight increases will mean more fuel is needed, fuel is expensive and will negate any potential benefits from increased capacity
Airlines: constantly innovating to find more ways to further humiliate the peasants in economy.
Could put the people in crates like they do animals stack them to the roof and give them a bottle of water and a bucket to go to the bathroom. Oops maybe the Airlines are lo lobbying now.?
How are physically challenged, and elderly people supposed to get into and out of those seats? It's a horrible design.
In the airline industry, horrible design seems to be intentional. That way they can charge extra for slightly less horrible.
The big question is...what is the crash survival rate expectancy compared to today's seats?
"In the event of an emergency, the passengers below you can be used as a flotation device."
In the event of a crash, the girl's face is inches away from a hard surface so in essence half of the plane's souls will be more likely to perish. Good Job (sarcasm).
Don’t blame the designer. He was an employee that was assigned a task and he completed it. There were probably a dozen other similar employees who came up with a hundred other plans that were worse. Blame the boss that said this was a good enough plan to share.
@@greyecat We are not talking about Nazis. We are talking about a kid that was given a task of designing options that might increase profitability of an airline. If I were the lead of the design department I would encourage creativity without limitations. There could be one thing from 10 designs they look promising. I would give them back to the team and tell them again to dream up options. What is possible, legal, ethical, and so on should be considered before implementation but not before drawing pictures.
Imagine if you are a larger person, or disabled, or elderly and are expected to either squeeze into the bottom seat or have to climb to the top seat.
They've got you covered. For a higher fee, you can sit in a section with traditional seating.
This won't become a thing. You have to redesign the plane to get more head room. How do you store the luggage? In a crash those seats seem to be able to break and kill people. there are some other problems too. The FAA and other aviation organisations won't allow it.
Someone pooting in my face would be a no for me😂
Imagine if airline executives were forced to fly economy/coach
This looks really dangerous. “Ooh look; plane seats for Spirit Air” this is why we should look into high speed rail.
That looks like it would significantly decrease the odds of surviving a plane crash.
i used to work cleaning airplanes and all i can think about is how much of a nightmare these seat designs would be to clean. having to go up and down those narrow-ass steps every other row to wipe down all the tray tables would absolutely murder your knees. and that's on top of all the logistical challenges it presents for passengers. no thanks
Seems terrifying and inconvenient. What if you're top tier window seat and need to pee?
Well, you'd be f , i guess...and when there's turbulance, ....yikes.
In the case of an emergency, the person below is guaranteed to be crushed and with all of the plane crashes lately and unruly passengers, this will make it 10x worse. 😬
And today's inflight meal will be BEANS! Nothing but beans!!!
"That man's ass is in that woman's face."😂 It's how Anna said it that makes it funny.😂
Doc - Double pink eye. Have an idea how how got it?
Patient - Well I was on a flight & this guy sitting in front of me had his ass in my face.
This is not a new idea. But it's designed to give us more space, which is good until airlines inevitably start to cram more and more people onto flights.
Ana! We need the youth! We just need them to concentrate on health- not capitalism.
I work in the airline industry. This is a terrible idea.
WHY DID WE BAIL THEM OUT? BIG PHARMACY TOO!
So will there be rules as to who has to climb to the upper level, or will grandma have to suck it up with her hip replacement and arthritis? Also, where is carry-on supposed to go? This will also be another excuse for them to squeeze in more fees by calling regular seats “preferred” and making us pay for every bag. Did they ever consider more casualties per accident as well?
The 23-year-old designer named Alejandro Núñez Vicente is actually the guy in the picture!
He will come to regret designing these crappy seats, if they ever takes off.
I'm already queasy from this over-abundant "gifting of unsolicited information"! Can't we just ship ups, in a state of suspended animation? Or economy class option, pickled in brine?
Three things:
1. Cramming more people into a plane is actually useful in two ways. It lowers the CO² emissions per passenger, and it makes flying less attractive, lowering the total amount of people flying. Both helpful in keeping the climate halfway livable and promoting better high speed train infrastructure.
- Only one question: Why then are the rich allowed to fly in their own private planes or luxurious first class arrangements using up 5 times as much space as a coach seat or 7 times as much space as one of those stacked seats?!
2. I'm pretty sure that Vicence guy believes with his "great" ideas and work "ethics" he will be a millionaire very soon so he'd never have to use his own design but gets to travel in business class or better. But the unwashed masses will eventually get used to it.
3. Be that as it might.. since passengers would take considerably longer to board, deboard, or emergency evacuate the plane this design would not save any money on short distance flights, be unacceptable on long distance flights, and will get shut down by air safety anyways.
Not only is it better environmentally. But it provides you with OPTION. It makes flying cheaper. It can be used for common routes. And if you don’t wanna save on your flight, simply buy what everyone buys today… but if you do wanna save costs, there you go… 1. Better margins for airlines means better pay for workers, and for investors, all of which entail great wider economical benefits. 2. It also means less pilots needed per 1,000 passengers, so you’re saving costs there. It also means less fuel and more passengers. So the cost of one flight would now be shared by more passengers (instead of a $100,000 flight shared by 100 passengers, it’s now a $130,000 flight shared by 150 passengers.
Complain all you like. But this is a great idea. Nobody forces you to go on one of those flights. You’re just lucky enough to have been born in an economically privileged place to afford complaining about this while millions of people who never thought of traveling via air before might soon be able to consider it.
Another thought-----what about emergency evacuations?
The FAA has requirements for how fast people can exit in an emergency.
There is no way this design could fit that.
put me on the prototype and I'll fart it up and wreck the whole idea. : O
If this becomes the standard I'm never sitting foot on a plane again
What about those of us handicapped or with disabilities? That wouldn’t work at all…
Plenty of room in the hold, sorted.
The last time I flew was 1988. If I have to go anywhere in the United States I drive, so y'all have fun with it, I'm not putting up with any of it.
What if there’s turbulence and you’re head hits the hard part of the seat in front of you
It is doubtful that the passengers' evacuation will be completed within the specified time.
Is there a discount on the ass-in-face seat? How much are we talking, here?
Am also wondering
This has to be a joke. John is right in that how the heck does the person in those lower seats stand up and move about? Again, this has got to be a joke. Either way, just NO.
Anyone who’s eaten beans or chili within 30 minutes of seating get the bottom seats, I’m not smellin’ recycled ass 🤮
You REALLY better hope the person in front of you doesn't fart.
I think we should have seating on the ceiling of the plane. Put velcro up there, issue velcro jackets, and then stick everyone to the ceiling. Welcome to the FUTURE!!
Sounds like RyanAir.
If it saves money 99% of passengers will fight you for those seats.
Its already over.
This is great Now me and my wife can discuss if we want to pay more to be the ones farting in peoples mouth or save money and eat farts for ten hours to Europe
So, one person sits and the second is stowed in the overhead compartment.
Or is the second person under the seat in front, like a personal item bag?
I’m confused.
Next thing will be where we agree to be knocked out, rolled in a rug, and stacked like cargo.
Right
You British?
Could imagine just ripping a CRUSHING FART 😂😂 the person will freaking pass out
A fart from above will give new meaning to "upper decker"...
it will fail evacuation regulations anyway.
*THANK GOD I LIVE IN EUROPE* where I can get a high-speed train for a few $ to any one of like 30 countries - have a nice meal in a restaurant car, have a beer, get a sleeper car if its a long trip, watch the scenery go by.
When they opened the Paris to Marseille [ €25 - 770km 420mls - 200mph ] it put two airlines out of business - High Speed Rail - just better in EVERY way.
Someone is gonna eat a big meal full of beans.
I don't want my face up that close to an strangers fart generator like that.
Crying babies, fallen luggage, and the occasional air rage incident aren't bad enough, now we have to deal with people Farting directly in our faces.
The head of Ryanair has been saying for years he wants planes with no seats in which passengers stand for the whole flight.
It is supposed to take 90 seconds to exit an aircraft in case of an emergency. I was on a flight to LA a month ago and I had a group of very large people sitting in front of me.
The jet was packed. I watched a couple of the large folks try to stand and get out of their seat. There is no way in hell you're going to get 300 people out of an aircraft in under 90 seconds. All the factors involved: injured, large people, hysterical people, elderly. Then comes the slide. there will be a large percentage of people that will hesitate at the slide for fear. 4 exits on an aircraft with expectations of 2 being non operational due to water or fuselage damage. 300 people exiting that aircraft would require one person to exit every 1.3888 seconds.
Furthermore, the slides can only hold 6 people at a time, or it will buckle.
If a water landing time it takes to get find your life vest, put it on , and you know people are going to pull the cord before exiting the craft.
Airlines care about the $. And in some dark way I think, they think it would be better to fall from the sky than try to explain why the evacuation didn't work on an overloaded aircraft sinking in the ocean or on fire on a runway. They should be taking seats out not putting more in.
Most people would want the higher seats, to avoid the ass-in-face problem. Which means, those seats will cost more. Only creepy buttsniffers will opt for the lower seats.
Also, notice the top seats have access to flip-down trays. That's the tell that the lower seats are for the poors. It wouldn't surprise me if upper / lower seats replace first class / coach. Just another way for the rich to literally be above us.
Nope. Where are the bullet trains. Hard pass on those planes.
I am with Anna on this one. The solution to air travel being too expensive isn't to make something that's already miserable worse. The solution is to make ship and train based travel more viable for average Americans.
I find it unbelievable that people find air travel expensive. When you consider how absolutely amazing the whole concept is, doesn't it seem insane that some humans will pay more for a handbag than a long-haul flight? When did we stop being amazed at the luxury of being able to fly?
@@anneanne9009 Ok boomer.
The lower seat gets farts from the upper seat in their face. Lol
It'll never fly (pun intended) it looks like the added weight needed to raise the seats plus the additional passengers will negate any gain from adding more people.
Mentioning the fact the designer is 23 is relevant. As a young man he can hardly understand the aches and pains of the 40 plus crowd sitting in those seats or trying to contort to get into them. God help the bottom third seater who needs the restroom trying to get back out in time. You can also bet you'll pay a premium to sit on top.
ah yes I'd love to eat farts left n right the entire flight... who tf thought this would be a good idea💩
As an airline employee this is a big NO.
About the safety issues when you need to get out of the plane during an emergency if packing/stacking more people in a plane like a can of sardines? Corporations care more about profits over safety or customer satisfactions. And if the tickets are cheap enough people wouldn't care if they had to stand on flights or be put on the cargo hold.
This would surely hamper emergency exits. But with the yearly profit margins this seating proposal would provide, it would probably be cheaper for the corporations to just pay off the dead passenger's families. Believe me, they have risk analyst who calculate this very thing.🤨
Hope my ankle doesn't itch, or my shoe slips off, or i drop my glasses down there.. or i gotta heave into my airsick bag.. "will you be taking a bend forward seating fee?"
i love how the people they show are not overweight...
Then they wouldn't be people
This started as a school project and now he's working on his own. He wasn't hired by any manufacturers to do this. There's a lot of regulations that this will fail, including the ADA. This is a nothing burger.
How do handicapped people sit in this?
So it looks like the Airline industry has committed itself to surviving on government subsidies rather than attracting customers.
😮 the pass gas was the first I thought about 😂
How about another level? We will never like it 😂 you fall asleep and ppl pass gas 😂
Get off my Brainwave!!! It was my first thought too.
😂😂😂 My 2nd thought
If the person above me farts I am absolutely forcing my oxygen mask to deploy.
I'll be eating a ton of cabbage before my transcontinental flight. I'll also choose an elevated seat. You're welcome.
I hope there is turbulence, so you fly off.
The only possible way to make this scenario worse is to start serving Taco Bell on flights.
😂 well maybe right before you board after scanning your ticket 😜🎟️
Anyone farts, it's right in your face. Anyone kicks, it's in the back of your head. Is this really a real idea or just a belated April fools day joke?
We all agree that the first thing we all thought was about getting crop dusted right in the face by the weirdo in front of us 😂
One of the key requirements on airplane cabin seating is an easy & Quick passenger evacuation under emergency situations. I do not see any of that on climbing up&down to these bulky & expensive structures needed to keep those elevated seats.
To theoretically get some more leg room than today's seats, this design is adding: weight, costs, unsafety, and Yes, claustrofobia and smells to the people having bottom seats. Airlines should sell them at a lower price.
And to climb to the upper ones (and serve them food & drinks), is also trash. They should be also sold cheaper...
A lose lose idea.
It's kind of reflective of modern society in general - like we're lobsters slowly boiling in a pot, just hanging out and "getting used to it."
The woman in the pink suit her seat can’t recline, nor does she have a tv screen in front of her. The two that are elevated seem to have the ability to recline and they too have tv screens. So right there, if you want the top seats you’ll end up paying extra for a tv. Not to mention how do those that are elevated get down when they need to use the restroom? People who are already skittish about heights are not going to want to sit in an elevated seat. If these seats are elevated does that mean no more carryon bags? Where will the bags go ? Will the planes be taller than they currently are in order to accommodate overhead storage and these elevated seats? So many questions.
How tall will the flight attendant have to be to give them a drink😂
I'd be more concerned with the seat below me, heat rises
Also, how would the flight crew do food and beverage service without passengers above or below them?
The reason more people continue to fly is it beats the hell out of driving. Regardless of how bad it is. Biggest problem nowadays is people have no discipline, they can't be tolerant and respectful of others for a few hours.
The problem is that they’ll cram people like this and still charge regular price. If they slash the price of flights in half, yes I’ll do it I don’t care. But again the problem is that they’ll treat people like this and still charge ridiculously high prices
Also notice there is no overhead storage in that view. Where does carry on luggage go?
As someone with extremely long legs, I would really love a solution that provides more legroom and isn't whatever this craziness is. I'm also moderately positive the head injuries day one alone would make them rip them right back out. That girl has no more than a foot between her head and a big honkin seat.
Exactly, hit a bit of turbulence and say hello to broken nose or a black eye
they may as well just put every passenger in a torpedo tube, like they care about traveler comfort
Japanese pod hotel style bunks you have to squeeze into with no air
Every now and then someone tries to criticize deficits with sarcastic and exaggerated ideas. Orwell, Gibson, and so on...
The answer of mankind is always the same: _"Good idea, we're working on it."_
I'll take the top. the bottom is the fart intake class.
Imagine the passengers overhead who have potty problems. lol.
So they wont allow me to carry 2 more books becoz of weight.. but one more 80kgs ass is allowed
It's time to call in British professional farter Mr. Methane to finish that idea off because he "cuts the cheese" whenever he pleases.
Lolol! Can we have more of John outlining Anna's nightmare scenarios, with her going "Careful John...."? I love the banter at TYT.
oh great so when someone farts you get the first wiff.
And that's in first class. Economy is indescribable.
Planes have seconds to disembark in an emergency. This would not work.
True. The requirement for an aircraft to be certified is complete evacuation within 90 seconds with only half of the emergency exits.
@@cremebrulee4759 Hmmm, I somehow do not see this as feasible if we’re talking A380 or Boeing 747 … 90 seconds in a panic situation?
Maybe on paper but when I already see people getting up and chaotically packing the corridors even before the plane has docked or when I see how airlines stupidly go about boarding procedures (I have never understood why airlines forgo logic), I have reserves on disembarking in 90 secs.
We need to invest into rail, not rely on planes.
One fart that's all I'm saying
Please NO! 😠😠 The day this non-sense airplane seat gets implemented, I STOP FLYING! Obviously, anyone in favor of this crazy SEAT design is NOT A FREQUENT FLYER. Also, I guess they are planning on eliminating overboard bag storage.
Someone's butt is in my face, and the person behind me has their feet resting on my shoulder... with how many people that take their shoes off on the flight sounds almost as good
They want us to think that the standing lean "seats" are a better option?
Here's a bit of cold water to throw on this brilliant idea. So the airlines want to cram more passengers into existing airframes. Groovy. An inarguable fact is that every single airplane has a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) which you can jigger around by combinations of three things; Fuel load, passenger weight and baggage weight. Other factors such as runway length, air temperature and airport altitude can affect MTOW as well. An aircraft's MTOW is a non-negotiable number. Exceed it and your odds of failing to get off the ground before having a meet & greet with the end of the runway are quite good. To the point, cramming more passengers into a cabin will mean that either flights will need to be shorter or with more stops and/or passengers will be further restricted in how much luggage they will be able to take.
Bottom line is that this idea is just one more way for airlines to make flying more miserable than ever and jack their profits up even more.
What if the girl in pink drops something? She can't even bend forward to pick it up.
Vertical space? Nah, who needs carry-on bags? And if you are in the window seat, you better be wearing a diaper, because there is no getting out.
Never mind the farting, existing aircraft cabins are not that tall, they would never pass safety testing for hard landings, and the weight of the things would loose the airlines big money
I’ve passed incredible gas loudly on a plane before. I didn’t realize it because I had noise cancelling headphones on and thought I was passing the silent ones lmfao