Yeah, the FoN gets quite finicky to measure when you need to bring down the pH. I use a large electric water distiller to get pure water, which is already more acidic than regular tap water. I find that I don't really have to add any vinegar if I start with that. I've also been using my EcoloxTech Eco One more often as the ratio of salt to water is easy to remember: 1g NaCl to 1L water. About 40 minutes of run time nets roughly 480PPM HOCl. But the NatureChlorMAX would be such a time-saver at the volumes it's able to generate. Then again, I've also been experimenting with Chlor Brite (dichlor) granules you can get at any pool supply store. It's the same as HOCl, but with a UV stabilizer to make it last longer in the presence of sunlight. According to my calculations, about 1g/L of the stuff I got from Leslie's will also generate ~480PPM HOCl with 55% FAC, which means it still has 45% residual killing power after it comes in contact with organic matter (dichlor is what's known as a "chlorine donor").
@Mike Trieu could I just try pool cleaning granules? I have a cleaning business, this would be an added benefit. However, need to find the most cost effective, quickest way to add this to the business.
@@tigq1430 Use Kosher salt. Do not use dichlor granules. Dichlor is not the same as HOCl. Use the vinegar to get the proper pH. Proper pH is the difference between hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite. Dichlor is also a safety hazard. and is more expensive than Kosher salt.
I have 3 Naturechlor MAX units in excellent used condition for sale 1/2 price. I quickly moved on to 55 gallon drum production for my community, friends and family.
55 gallon drums!? 🤯. Wow! That is next level! My original NatureChlor is still going strong. Are you a member of the hocl facebook group? You could ask if anyone is interested on there. The link to the group is in the description.
@@ThymefortheTable Cool thank you I will check it out. Also, medical grade HOCL can be made with distilled water and Hydrogen Chloride (HCL) to adjust pH as opposed to vinegar for eye infections, acne and as a wound debriding agent as it has since WW1!
I learned about this product about a month ago and I just knew Jen would review it. I was not disappointed. Awesome! 😁 One question I do have is how much power does that base model consume? I'd imagine the MAX version would use up quite a lot more.
@@ThymefortheTable There are inline devices like the Kill-A-Watt that can do that. Otherwise, it should be sufficient to simply read the label on the power supply that came with the unit. If it doesn't list the wattage outright, the output voltage and current can multiplied together to get that value.
As a follow-up to my question, I recently acquired a NatureChlorMAX and the power supply reads 12V@2A DC output. So that's roughly 24W. That's quite a bit less than the 12V@5A (60W) of the Eco One. I guess it makes sense since the MAX only generates 250PPM after 30 mins compared to the Eco One's 480PPM after 40 mins. My own empirical testing of the MAX after an hour in 1 gal solution yielded roughly 250PPM. It seems like it stalls out around there. I'll run it overnight just to see what the ultimate concentration ceiling is, but these early results are not sparking a lot of confidence at the moment. Edit: LOL! The Eco One's power supply fits into the MAX! I'm already getting much more vigorous output! What would happen if I bumped it to 12V@10A or higher?! 😆
@@MikeTrieu Did you ever report back about your overnight results? FWIW, the salt recommendations that come with the NatureChlorMAX run very low in my experience. I make 6 gallons at a time and use a tablespoon of salt PER gallon. You could use less, and run longer, but why? Rinsing the electrode in vinegar every so often will minimize any build-up on the electrode plates and you can use your time to do better things.
Would love to see a video of how to clean with the end result solution. Do you clean then sanitise with the solution? Or can you clean with it, so eliminating cleaning products? Thank you! I'm yet to buy a device.
It is much easier than FON. The price is definitely more though. If you are using HOCl for a lot of things though, it is so worth it to make larger amounts at a time. I make a gallon at a time with the smallest NatureChlor. I love it. Also, are you a part of the HOCl enthusiast facebook group? There is usually a discount code for NatureChlor on there.
I have that kind of PH test strips too .They're terrible. Cool gadget though! I just bought a different kind of one that you add your water and salt into a pitcher.
I just seen a video on the news they used a pantry dish to test to see if it really works on a shin guard and on a remote it didn't get all the germs but it got a lot of it still small amounts was there but they said there thought was it worked
I may need to get this! I find myself making FON quite often. But larger amounts would be nice as long as I can use it within 14 days. Does this have the same expiration of 14 days? Is that standard across hypochlorous acid?
14 days is the time FON recommends because capsules are their actual product... while it can degrade in two weeks, it can also last for over a month. Ideally, keeping it in a cool, dark place will give you longer-lasting results, but if it does degrade, just run it again in the FON. The salt-vinegar-water content remains the same, so as long as you save up your leftovers until you have a full 12oz, you can run another cycle to freshen it up to full potency.
@@wixbetty I use the controlomatic NatureChlor generator to make Hypochlorous Acid / HOCl and find that it easily keeps "fresh" for 2 weeks. Also, I've checked my distilled water machine for PH and its good enough so I don't have to bother with the adding the vinegar. I also no longer waste my time using the measuring strips either. For me, its super easy and super fast.
Can anyone explain the chemistry of this? I’ve seen a few attempts, but nothing convincing. If vinegar is in the mixture, is the gas given off carbon dioxide? Or is it still hydrogen, as it would be without the vinegar?
Hey! Just connected to your channel from Cathrin's channel. You have amazing content and videos here! Loved it! Amazing stuff! Keep creating these amazing content and keep up your great hustle! :) I am another small youtuber trying to grow and your channel looks awesome. Would love to connect with you my friend! :)
Hi Jen! The chlorine strips you use ranges up to 200ppm. Does it really mean 200ppm or is it over 200ppm. Im using an electronic tester and im getting 4kppm in my solution
I made my first batch using naturechlor. It was around 5.5 to 6 ph and 150 for chlorine. I got a reaction to the smell. It kind of burned my nose and throat. I've used FON and that didn't happen. It wasn't that strong smelling. I don't understand.
Don't inhale the gas immediately after generating the HOCl. There's always going to be a fraction of chlorine gas floating at the top of the container. You can shake up the container to get it to dissolve back into the water.
You know, it really doesn't matter. It'll just shorten the contact time for tougher pathogens than SARS-CoV-2. You might also start to notice some salt residue at higher concentrations. Once I made a crazy 4306PPM concentration to match the EvaClean PurTabs level needed to kill C.diff spores within 4 minutes. It left a white, chalky film on all my surfaces. Easy enough to wipe off with a wet towel, though.
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So glad you did this review. I currently use the FON but it makes such a small amount compared to how much I use!
Yeah, the FoN gets quite finicky to measure when you need to bring down the pH. I use a large electric water distiller to get pure water, which is already more acidic than regular tap water. I find that I don't really have to add any vinegar if I start with that. I've also been using my EcoloxTech Eco One more often as the ratio of salt to water is easy to remember: 1g NaCl to 1L water. About 40 minutes of run time nets roughly 480PPM HOCl. But the NatureChlorMAX would be such a time-saver at the volumes it's able to generate. Then again, I've also been experimenting with Chlor Brite (dichlor) granules you can get at any pool supply store. It's the same as HOCl, but with a UV stabilizer to make it last longer in the presence of sunlight. According to my calculations, about 1g/L of the stuff I got from Leslie's will also generate ~480PPM HOCl with 55% FAC, which means it still has 45% residual killing power after it comes in contact with organic matter (dichlor is what's known as a "chlorine donor").
@Mike Trieu could I just try pool cleaning granules? I have a cleaning business, this would be an added benefit. However, need to find the most cost effective, quickest way to add this to the business.
@@tigq1430 Use Kosher salt. Do not use dichlor granules. Dichlor is not the same as HOCl. Use the vinegar to get the proper pH. Proper pH is the difference between hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite. Dichlor is also a safety hazard. and is more expensive than Kosher salt.
I have 3 Naturechlor MAX units in excellent used condition for sale 1/2 price. I quickly moved on to 55 gallon drum production for my community, friends and family.
55 gallon drums!? 🤯. Wow! That is next level! My original NatureChlor is still going strong. Are you a member of the hocl facebook group? You could ask if anyone is interested on there. The link to the group is in the description.
@@ThymefortheTable Thanks!
@@brianmonahan1893 You're welcome!
@@ThymefortheTable Cool thank you I will check it out. Also, medical grade HOCL can be made with distilled water and Hydrogen Chloride (HCL) to adjust pH as opposed to vinegar for eye infections, acne and as a wound debriding agent as it has since WW1!
Could you please say how you're making 55 Gallon Drums? That's what I need at 12-14%.
Thanks for the review this will be my next purchase and can't wait for the comparison of both devices.
I learned about this product about a month ago and I just knew Jen would review it. I was not disappointed. Awesome! 😁 One question I do have is how much power does that base model consume? I'd imagine the MAX version would use up quite a lot more.
@@ThymefortheTable There are inline devices like the Kill-A-Watt that can do that. Otherwise, it should be sufficient to simply read the label on the power supply that came with the unit. If it doesn't list the wattage outright, the output voltage and current can multiplied together to get that value.
As a follow-up to my question, I recently acquired a NatureChlorMAX and the power supply reads 12V@2A DC output. So that's roughly 24W. That's quite a bit less than the 12V@5A (60W) of the Eco One. I guess it makes sense since the MAX only generates 250PPM after 30 mins compared to the Eco One's 480PPM after 40 mins. My own empirical testing of the MAX after an hour in 1 gal solution yielded roughly 250PPM. It seems like it stalls out around there. I'll run it overnight just to see what the ultimate concentration ceiling is, but these early results are not sparking a lot of confidence at the moment.
Edit: LOL! The Eco One's power supply fits into the MAX! I'm already getting much more vigorous output! What would happen if I bumped it to 12V@10A or higher?! 😆
Hi Mike, I’m curious to know what your opinion is on the NatureChlor Max vs Eco One at this point?
@@MikeTrieu Mike, wondering if you have any updates on your NaturChlor Max; also wondering how you like it compared to the Eco One? Thanks.
@@MikeTrieu Did you ever report back about your overnight results? FWIW, the salt recommendations that come with the NatureChlorMAX run very low in my experience.
I make 6 gallons at a time and use a tablespoon of salt PER gallon. You could use less, and run longer, but why?
Rinsing the electrode in vinegar every so often will minimize any build-up on the electrode plates and you can use your time to do better things.
Would love to see a video of how to clean with the end result solution. Do you clean then sanitise with the solution? Or can you clean with it, so eliminating cleaning products? Thank you! I'm yet to buy a device.
@@ThymefortheTable awesome! Thank you so much! I also just joined the FB group 😁
This seems so much easier than the force of nature. Easier measurements, etc. The only thing is the outrageous price!
It is much easier than FON. The price is definitely more though. If you are using HOCl for a lot of things though, it is so worth it to make larger amounts at a time. I make a gallon at a time with the smallest NatureChlor. I love it. Also, are you a part of the HOCl enthusiast facebook group? There is usually a discount code for NatureChlor on there.
@@ThymefortheTable No, but I'll definitely go check that out!
@@hdb80 I just added the link to the facebook group in the description of this video. Let me know if you can't find it!
I have that kind of PH test strips too .They're terrible.
Cool gadget though! I just bought a different kind of one that you add your water and salt into a pitcher.
I just seen a video on the news they used a pantry dish to test to see if it really works on a shin guard and on a remote it didn't get all the germs but it got a lot of it still small amounts was there but they said there thought was it worked
You have the best skin!!
I may need to get this! I find myself making FON quite often. But larger amounts would be nice as long as I can use it within 14 days. Does this have the same expiration of 14 days? Is that standard across hypochlorous acid?
14 days is the time FON recommends because capsules are their actual product... while it can degrade in two weeks, it can also last for over a month.
Ideally, keeping it in a cool, dark place will give you longer-lasting results, but if it does degrade, just run it again in the FON.
The salt-vinegar-water content remains the same, so as long as you save up your leftovers until you have a full 12oz, you can run another cycle to freshen it up to full potency.
@@wixbetty I use the controlomatic NatureChlor generator to make Hypochlorous Acid / HOCl and find that it easily keeps "fresh" for 2 weeks. Also, I've checked my distilled water machine for PH and its good enough so I don't have to bother with the adding the vinegar. I also no longer waste my time using the measuring strips either. For me, its super easy and super fast.
Can anyone explain the chemistry of this? I’ve seen a few attempts, but nothing convincing. If vinegar is in the mixture, is the gas given off carbon dioxide? Or is it still hydrogen, as it would be without the vinegar?
Hey! Just connected to your channel from Cathrin's channel. You have amazing content and videos here! Loved it! Amazing stuff! Keep creating these amazing content and keep up your great hustle! :) I am another small youtuber trying to grow and your channel looks awesome. Would love to connect with you my friend! :)
Anyone have a line on a diy or even cheap production of 50Gallons of 12-14% daily?
I have a link in my description for a HOCl facebook group. You could also ask in there.
How do I dilute it to use for my skin?
Yay! How exciting!!!!
Ones it is all made and done how long is the solution good for? coz force of nature is one week only....
Thank you!
@@ThymefortheTable Thank you!
If you run out of kosher salt just head to the RUclips comments section :) ... Amazing Review nonetheless thank youuuu!!
Hi Jen! The chlorine strips you use ranges up to 200ppm. Does it really mean 200ppm or is it over 200ppm. Im using an electronic tester and im getting 4kppm in my solution
@@ThymefortheTable thank you Jen!
What system do you have to generate 4K PPM?
How long the HOCL will last after making it? If you want to store it.
@@ThymefortheTable What do you think abut this little device: t.ly/LHUD
@@ThymefortheTable Yaaaas!
Just got a glass top electric range. Can I use the hypochlorus acid yo clean it?
You absolutely can. You can even use it on leather furniture.
I made my first batch using naturechlor. It was around 5.5 to 6 ph and 150 for chlorine. I got a reaction to the smell. It kind of burned my nose and throat. I've used FON and that didn't happen. It wasn't that strong smelling. I don't understand.
Don't inhale the gas immediately after generating the HOCl. There's always going to be a fraction of chlorine gas floating at the top of the container. You can shake up the container to get it to dissolve back into the water.
what happen if you have a higher chlorine? let's say 400 ppm...
You know, it really doesn't matter. It'll just shorten the contact time for tougher pathogens than SARS-CoV-2. You might also start to notice some salt residue at higher concentrations. Once I made a crazy 4306PPM concentration to match the EvaClean PurTabs level needed to kill C.diff spores within 4 minutes. It left a white, chalky film on all my surfaces. Easy enough to wipe off with a wet towel, though.
That vocal fry at the end of almost every sentence..its annoying..pls stop, its freaking annoying..you have a very very good content tho.
and the glottal stops instead of final t's. I think I need to leave the country lol.