Avoid These 5 Common Serve Mistakes (Pro Tennis Technique Explained)
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Avoid These 5 Common Serve Mistakes (Pro Tennis Technique Explained)
1. Forehand Grip
2. Bending knees before toss
3. Waiter’s Tray
4. No Pronation
5. Throwing tossing arm behind you
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6:52 does this mean that you disagree with Jeff Salzenstein’s “dirty diaper finish” on the kick serve? Where he says the strings should face your body instead of the side fence on a kick serve.
OMG this lesson was insane! The explanation of 0 to 180 degrees and where we should hit on the pronation and where the palms face was so on point! Toss and bend was great to point out and I’m sure I’m guilty there. No way this lesson should have been free!
It’s not. RUclips will reward him :)
I am amazed by the amount of DEPTH you give into your analysis in order to leave no stone unturned in what you are teaching. I consider you and Milan Krnjetin of TENFITMEN the best online tennis coaches, BY FAR.
Milan is great. He’s a “buddy” of mine in the online space. I’ve never met him personally but we’ve takes many times on Instagram. Thanks so much!!!
@@2MinuteTennis enjoying the minute of fame you never had in real life in the virtual world with each other?
@@samtrautman6416 hahaha just reading this now. Funny stuff.
So so helpful. And I just love the way you explain the micro details with so much clarity, no confusion and some sharp humour. Thanks a ton
Great explanation on Pronation - keep up the simple analogy and examples.
A great video. I am not a big fan of your birthday hat method, but I always enjoy your videos. Thank you!
Thanks so much Simon!!!
I like the birthday hat analogy. Had a big problem where i wasnt swinging racket over my head enough (only over 1 ear, not both ears). Birthday hat method was instant fix mid practice, although i didnt use a birthday hat
great whip explanation. McEnroe has beautiful front arm positioning with elbow on tummy at contact. His whole body is very still at contact
When an ice skater is spinning with arms out and then pull their arms in, they spin faster because their moment of inertia (resistance to rotation) decreases. Conservation of angular momentum means they spin faster. The same principle applies to serving. When you pull your throw up arm down, tuck it in and finish in the X position described in the video, your moment of inertia decreases and you swing faster. Pull your throw up arm down faster and tuck in faster you swing faster. In simple terms you can only swing as fast as you can pull down and tuck in your throw up arm. Try a few air swings and move your throw up arm down and tuck it in slowly and then swing and pull down and tuck in your throw up arm faster and see what happens to your racquet speed. It will speed up without any apparent effort on your behalf! You should be using both arms to generate racquet speed just like a pitcher in baseball and a fast bowler in cricket using both arms to generate ball speed. But you have to practice to synchronize the motion each arm to get the timing right and create the whip crack he talks about in the video. Check out a video of Ash Barty serving. Her throw up arm goes from being straight up to being tucked in, in the blink of an eye. Similarly Rod Laver back in the day.
Felicitaciones por tan detallada y útil explicación
this is one of the best explanation serve videos i have ever watched. well done coach
Thank you coach, since a long time i knew i do something wrong with my service, i was working a lot with my rhytm and a lot of stuff, but i’ve never realized that i flex my knees during my toss. Quick fix and my service is much more fluid and better, because i toss first now, thanks, you are doing good job!
I watched so many videos on serving and yours are absolutely the best! Not one if the best, but the best! Thank you very much for helping players like me
Ryan, great video! thanks for this!!
Truly amazing lesson. I love how you proactively know what question the viewers might have. The granularity of this is unparalleled. Kudos!
Wow thank you so much!!!
Thank you so much for the great lesson. I could understand easily.
These are great videos - thank you for sharing your expertise!
best explanation of pronation I have seen, thanks Ryan
Great explanation. I’m working on my serve and this helps. Thanks.
Glad to know the video helped you John
This was just brilliant!! Thank you so much.
Very helpful…thank you!
Thanks Ryan. Great tips and refresher as we start our outdoors season for folks up north in western Canada -:)
you are really amazing how well your explantions are about the basic elements in tennis serve
Insane lesson! Thanks 🙏
Great tips as always!
Thanks so much dc!!
Best explanation in pronation ever. Really helpful. Thank you.
Thank you... will try once in the court one day. Love your videos and been watching them a lot doublre and singles
Thank you Ryan brilliant explanation. I can see where I am going wrong looking forward to putting your coaching to use in my next training session.
Another great analysis
Thanks
excellent lesson Pal Perfect
Great video!! Big thanks 👏👏👏👍👍👍👌
Explanation is easy to understand.im learning thanks
this is the best serve lesson series i ever watched
Thank you for your class , master
Tnx for the tips.
Really excellent Ryan.
Thanks so much George!
best teacher ever! you explain all the science behind every tip. it helps us remember the tip while playing. I just realised I do mistake 2! very excited to try out today evening! can't thank u enough for your excellent videos!
Thank you, and thank you so many times. You are a wonder coach!!!
Useful and quite streight to point, good explanation, very good work this video - complinent from Germany!
Nice coach I will try this thank you..❤
Great video !
This video has answered all my questions!! Especially on racket ball contact's position when serving.. 85deg!! Thanks so much!
So glad you liked the video!
Great video, amazing contents, very easy to follow and replicate!
Hi Coach Ryan ! I am Ravi from India and love your videos. We play recreationally at our society and your videos are a great hit !! Thanks !
Very helpfull, thank you
Glad you liked it!! Mej
This is pure gold
Wow thank you Shavelle!
Thank you so much for your great tips. Your explanation of pronation is one of the best. Keep up the good work. GBU.
Wow thank you Juggernauts!
great video. another great player to watch is boris becker. the way he holds his left arm at the end of the serve is just perfect.
Logical and incontrovertible instruction about the pronation assertion on the serve.
Amazing video
I still struggle with pronation, when I first learned a serve in the 90s we were taught to snap the wrist down. To get more pronation would it be fair to say that you have to let the racket come around the body more during the backswing and then you just have to let pronation happen rather than forcing it?
Thank you!!!
Good job!
EXCELLENT content in an easy to understand explanation coach Ryan! I know what famous RUclips coach your talking about, I found it pretty surprising also. I will put your tips to work! 👏👍🎾🎾
You are a great communicator and instructor!
Wow thank you so much!!!!
Great video ryan! Having your arm pronate at the end of the serve is so important! Really gives you that pop. Are there drills that could help reinforce that?
Possibly hitting the bouncing the ball up and down by only pronatafiong and keeping your arm in the same place
This viedeo wiil help me out, to get better tossing. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for these Awesome lectures from south korea
The birthday hat analogy threw me for a while until I remembered a similar tool from 'Feeltennis' about one continuous motion and a serve trainer with a ball on a string, then I understood what you mean. This helped me visualize the pause in my serve as a negative. I am working on a more fluid serve. Wish me luck
Thanks!
I so appreciate you supporting me and my channel. thank you for the super thanks Mia!
It took me a long time to understand the waiters tray as you call it. I worked as a waiter and I was stunned, that when my serves worked, I would go exactly through the waiters tray position. However, not at the beginning as you showed but actually shortly before coming forward where the elbow tip is already in front and high up. The waiters Tray is not straight up but a little to the left and the fingers are a little higher than the wrist pad. But waiters Tray was exactly what I thought and told myself again and again when my serves started working.
Wow - #5 I knew nothing about that. I don't think I do it (have never been taught that) but will check tomorrow on the court! And will ensure I'm tucking arm under! 👌
Great Solid Advice... for real players.
Thank you Doug!
it help me a lot improving my serve
I have stumbled around the court flat serving and doing all sorts of useless amateur mistakes.
I play once every 6 months at best, so I'm not bothered.
However the analyst in me always quietly wants to correct the physics of my performance
this video has single handedly revealed why I can't play tennis for shit and exactly what I need to do to fix it. and its all so obvious when he points it out.
-like i play cut and spin shots across the court , why did it never occur to me to play my serves like that?
about the only thing i wasnt ballsing up was the bend before the throw thing.
this is soooo good.
thank you mate
15:45 I find that the tossing arm automatically tucks in if it stayed up longer before. If I drop the tossing arm too early, it will tend to "get out of the way" and not form the X anymore by the time I have hit the ball. But if the tossing arm stays up longer, my body will turn into the arm drop, and then I get the X-like barrier. Everything is connected!
Love the whip sound
¡Gracias!
Have seen this "knock your birthday cap" technique in many RUclipss. And if it's good enough for the Fed, it's definitely good enough for me. Thanks.
Yep!! Thanks so much!
thx a lot。It does do me a lot of favor.
Ryan: Really GREAT video. So insightful and practical. I have one question/observation that I would love to hear your thoughts about. What you say about pronation makes a lot of sense, and the analogy to throwing a football or even baseball (assuming one isn't throwing a curveball) is on point.
However, the point you make about the tossing hand tucking/pulling in at contact in the service motion to help accelerate the racket head speed, which also makes perfect sense, to me is an illustration of how the service is very different from those throwing motions. When throwing a football or baseball the free arm behaves much more like the tennis forehand - i.e., it rotates away, ahead of the throwing arm, to translate torso rotation into speed and power. No one would suggest that when striking a forehand, the free arm should tuck in at contact, although the foregoing logic relating to the serve might beg that question.
What is unique about the tuck-in of the tossing arm in the service motion is that it helps arrest the body rotation (as you correctly point out), thereby accelerating racket speed. I don't know of any other sport where this happens.
So a serve starts out like a baseball or football throw, but then ends very differently. To me this further illustrates why the service motion is uniquely challenging.
What do you think?
I think you’ll really like this video. I’m heading to bed now but will answer you tomorrow at some point. Thanks!! ruclips.net/video/l5LLmDLXyDY/видео.html
@@2MinuteTennis got it. The video answered my query. Are there other sports where the non-dominant hand plays a reactive braking role? Btw - even in the one handed backhand the non racket arm plays a braking role - in that case by moving in opposition to the racket swing.
Actually -the volleyball spike is remarkably analogous. Most videos I found show the non striking arm either stopping or tucking in, post rotation, to prevent over rotation. Question withdrawn😎
Ryan, I love these videos so thank you for sharing your insights. I just want to clarify one thing about the continental grip. Doesn’t it inherently put your racket in a “strings slightly down” position? I’m left handed, but I think I understand which bevel is number 2 for me. It seems to me that holding my racket straight out in front of me and then rotating one bevel to the left results in a slightly closed face - or have I completely misunderstood the grip?
Continental grip should be more open compared to the ground than eastern and semi western at the beginning position of the serve.
Hi Ryan, this is all great and helpful to recreational players (with thanks). But they are still bio mechanics, mostly relating to arm swings being seen mostly at social levels.
When will you make a video about the most fundamental aspect of tennis serve to get real power - the whipping motion and effect?
Once one mastered this concept, the rest are basically given as well. It is not easy to explain and demonstrate. But with your excellent teaching way it will definitely deliver.
Hi Coach Ryan, I've always been wondering: when serving, does the back leg intentionally kick back or it is just a natural follow up after the serve? When I serve my back leg always goes to the side instead of kicking back as pros do. Thank you!
If your leg is going sideways, you are working against your kinetic chain.
I have 4/5 of these sins and working hard to fix them. Thanks! Also I recommend watching an entire pro match only watching the pros nondominant hand. You will be blown away at what is happening.
rocking motion (forward back forward) in regards to knee bend
Agree with 1 to 4 , but I have to disagree with the 5. Top players when they finish serve always kick back the non dominant hand. Are you sure about the hugging ?
Not all top players throw the arm back. Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer don’t. There’s no benefit to it. There’s a large benefit to crossing the arms. Look at Nadal and you’ll see he basically hugs himself when serving.
Not a fan of crossing my left arm when I serve either. I fell like my body is being restricted.
Not a fan of swinging my left arm at the back also. Coz when I catch the racket with my left arm it take too long coz it has to travel very far.
I am a fan however of bending my left arm about 45 degrees and positioning it on my side ready to catch my racket and back to a ready position asap.
@@Jojo_AC That also confused my quite a while. Then I figure our this throwing arm is happen when you use your core to 'press' on the ball at the contact. The non dominant arm are more like squeez out than throw out. However, you don't see that core bent at recreational level a lot and it does not make sense to purposely throw out one's arm.
My serve has improved a lot recently but the only way I find that i can hit a good second serve or 'kick' serve is to try not to hit across the back. Instead i try to hit the serve exactly the same as my first serve (which is very flat) BUT I keep my torso very much sideways on to the target which seems to force my racket across the back of the ball without me having to try it. This way I can still get power and depth on my second serve (including loop and swerve) whereas if I try to hit across it the serve is very feeble and often goes in the net. Not sure this is good technique but it workls for me at the moment! My second serve is much more of a weapon now and I can use it to serve out wide or hurt lefties.
I saw the same misleading serve lesson. When I saw that tip I couldn't believe it. Sometimes the pros when they try to slow down things to explain them they just teach all kind of things that they are not doing. Not to voluntary mislead but due to a lack of analysis about what they teach.
Yep. Thanks for the comment!!
Mouratoglou! It was shocking to hear him say that
@@PuissanceMandataire yep. Same here. I saw him say it to Rune. Did he say it to another student too? If so, do you know which video and do you have the link to it?
@@2MinuteTennis I also saw it in the Rune video. I think it comes up @11:40 in this one as well ruclips.net/video/KuUzLBYMz6g/видео.html
Too great
So talented
as far as coaches go who were your mentors and who inspired you , old school like Vic braden , Dennis Van de meer , Bollettieri? Macci would be in that class as well , I saw some great footage from Oscar Wegner who coached Kuerten to 2 french open titles. Let me know thanks!
I was taught Vic Braden’s info since I was 8.
Valeu!
Thanks so much!!!
Wow. I make all these mistakes. Watching from Zambia❤️
Is it possible to do an inside out serve?
what kind of raquet do you have?
that was good.
This should be the most viewed tennis training RUclips channel... also, thank god is not, so I keep winning matches ;D
Haha thanks!!
You are best
ENLIGHTEN: to give them more knowledge and greater understanding about something. I feel enlightened every time I watch your videos, man.
hmm what do you mean by forehand grip I use continetal for the forehand
Hi Igor. Can you take a picture of you holding your racket in a continental and send it to me? ryan@2minutetennis.net. I want to see your grip. I’ll let you know what grip it is. Thanks!
I thought it was useful to rotate the body to gain power on serve, at same time i asked myself why i can't fall only with the left leg on the floor. 😄 Thx a lot!
Right edge is usually in front on a slice but not always. Swinging out to the right with square contact will result in slice spin. No problem with your explanation as that is the norm but technically one can get slice spin with a square racquet face. BTW, although long axis rotation past contact is nice it is far from necessary as shown by Pliskova among others. For many people there is a trade off between accuracy and long axis rotation past contact. It is a natural move and trying to force it can be counterproductive unless a player is obviously holding on to the detriment of their serve. For some people it doesn’t affect their accuracy and it is preferable. Isner and Federer certainly don’t lose any accuracy.
Good video. However you need to dig a little deeper on serve mechanics. forearm pronation is only a quarter of the story. Internal shoulder rotation is the driver.
I have 100’s of serve videos. Type “2MinuteTennis serve” to see how deep I go. Thanks!!!
Ryan: is this how u teaching to use the forehand grip ???😊
Other than that 1st part ; ur physical body is designed by nice tennis skills correctly!
But u didn’t mention the serve is supposed to show the first serve and second serve; is this the second serve?
Hello! Super video as Always. The pronation on slice serve. Mouratoglou is teaching the way you mention as incorrect. ;-). This one is complex. I understand the theory. But i would have liked to see a demo. With slow motion. From you of course! Not Roger :). Thanks a lot if it's possible.
I’ve made probably 12 videos showing slow motion pronation on my serve. Simply search on RUclips “2MinuteTennis pronation”. Thanks!!
Patrick teaches advanced students that have the fundamentals in place. Misleading to say one technically is incorrect and the other is not. Especially depending on the level of the student. See his serve videos where students are not fully coming around as shown here with arms flaring out of control. I get what he’s saying here but again there’s a difference between typical rec players and pros or juniors playing at advanced levels
@@bmanbusee3812 not true. Patrick was teaching a kid ( 10y o maybe).
@@bmanbusee3812 and the boy is not advanced. At least not on the serve. Which is normal at that age. Service motion is not easy to get. Otherwise all the best kids would already master all type of serve. ;)
@@norienor4658 have no idea about what video you’re referring to. Also some start playing at an earlier age than that but I digress. Most of his students are advanced and go pro at some point.
My upper arm hurts when I try to do pronation, how can I fix it?
yes, patric said that and I was confused!
The tennis serve is a crucial shot that can greatly impact your performance on the court. Learn it
Again: YES, you can go around the ball from right to left for a slice serve. Actually that exactly IS the slice serve. The other one is an adapted pronated serve, which admittedly is hit almost all of the time by the pro players. That does not discount the slice serve though. The teachings are different and the players reflect that.
you cannot go around the ball for slice. sorry, not possible. feel free to film yourself serving (and even try to go around it as you hit), but you'll see in super slow motion that it's not what happens as you're hitting. There IS some value to trying to do it or feeling like that's what's happening (i've asked students to attempt it before to help them not hit so flat knowing full well that they can't actually curl around the ball). The reason the pros do the pronated version is because that's the actual way it's done. And i can promise you that most pros feel like they're curling around the ball, too...even though they aren't. Thanks for watching!!
you still didnt explain how pronation works for slice serve?
Im going to me mindful of my racket movement tomorrow and will check if I‘m doing the „birthday hat“. If anyone is bored you could check my serve videos too, thanks 😇