I'm an RN, currently at a conference for primary health care nurses. I am also a carnivore. One of the speakers this morning was a doctor who was saying that LDL is the bad cholestrol and listing all the statins that will lower it and prevent heart disease and that ALL diabetics should be on statins. When his patients express concern about the possible side effects of statins, he tells them (his words!) "Must choose, take the statins or die". I choose to listen to the amazing doctors in this community who are challenging the standard teachings and medical practices (or malpractices!) and revealing the truth! Thank you, Nina!❤
There is a list on ProPublica of how much money various doctors have received from pharma/food/device companies. If you search “Dollars for Docs ProPublica” you’ll find it. Might be interesting to see if that speaker is on there. 🧐
My comment about looking up doctors' conflicts of interest on a specific website looks like it got deleted or hidden, and then Dr. Alo shows up . . . .
@@DrMAlo In the Women's Health Initiative, they reported that statin therapy was associated with a 48% INCREASE in the risk of self-reported diabetes. If diabetics are at an increased risk of ASCVD and a medication that's specifically designed to lower LDL is leading to an increase in diabetes which you just said is a risk-factor for ASCVD . . . sounds like something's a bit off in your logic there.
Nina's book "The Big Fat Surprise" was life changing for me. I heard about it from several doctors that say it changed the way they think and practice. She's an exceptional writer and researcher, I really appreciate her thoroughness and passion for getting to the bottom of things. Congrats on getting a PhD!
Nina is the woman who I found on RUclips 3 years ago. She did her homework, told the truth and was attacked by government and big food corporations. Since I found Nina at age 59 I lost 52 pounds and got off 7 daily medications, 4 of which were expensive prescriptions. I now find myself 62 and in great health and best of all, the knowledge of what to and not to be in my diet. If you read this Nina, thank you for saving my life.
Congratulations on your PhD, Nina! You have ABSOLUTELY earned it and your work is incredibly important. Thank you so much for your contributions to all of our health.
Freeman Dyson really disliked the PhD system (he didn't have one)... he preferred people gain rep from actually producing valuable contributions to scientific investigation. That's what Nina did, and she deserves recognition for that.
Julian Jaynes, a highly original thinker, also refused to get a PhD. But he spent most of his career in academia. He just thought that one's scholarship should speak for itself.
Nice to see that she got a PhD, even if it's on published works. She did the work required and then some, might as well get something out of it! Congrats to her!
I am almost finished reading her book and it has validated so much of what I have already learned and experienced in my past 9 months as a carnivore dieter. I will be subscribing to her substack. Thank you for this superb interview.
after listening to Dr Gabrielle Lyon's guest Dr. Jess Gwin who is also looking at the guidelines - you should get together LOL ! All the best going forward. I'm proud to say I never gave up butter or full fat milk and never ate an egg white omelette in my life. I have slightly high LDL but I have no heart disease. HDL good, triglycerides low and blood sugars excellent.
There are two books that have changed my life and health, they are The Big Fat Surprise by Tina and The Clot Thickens by Dr Malcolm Kendrick. I am now 100% Carnivore
Where is the scientific or historical evidence showing that a carnivorous diet is linked to longevity? Teischolz has been debunked so many times. Look at our anatomic nature. We are not carnivores.
As many have remained healthy on a carnivore diet for years and decades, I'm sure you'll do fine. The same can't be said for vegans, as the scientific research shows.
Good point on the Oreos, & booze makes your HDL go right up as well. Oreos & Booze 👍 Metabolic dysfunction is inability to use glucose for energy, body switches to fat oxidation as default backup system.
I can't remember where I heard it, but supposedly the seed oils are less satiating. Combined with the sugar/salt in processed foods makes you more likely to eat them without feeling the need to stop. Also, in nature fat comes packaged with protein not carbs.
While I despair over getting the truth out, or at least opening people's eyes to question the status quo, as Nina mentioned how hard it is for the medical community to challenge medical "cookbook"approaches to treating wellness...at least we have luminaries like Nina to learm from.
Good stuff guys, the one thing I would mention about processed foods is that industrial supplementation of components,I.e.American Cheese. . . And the sterile nature of storage requirements (dead food) the microbiology compromise from fresh foods. . . I didn't know Oxidation was/is a exponential cascading chemical reaction is alarming. Congratulations to Nina on her well deserved PhD.
I'd add two related points. Seed oils are not only oxidative and inflammatory but also mutagenic and high deuterium. The mutagenic part is discussed by Catherine Shanahan. And the high deuterium part is discussed by various experts, such as Laszlo Boros. The cumulative effect of all of these is surely greater than any of them alone. As for the oxidative component specifically, we should clarify that there are both harmful ROS (reactive oxygen species) and beneficial ROS, the latter needed for physiological signalling. Plant-sourced antioxidants eliminate all ROS with no discernment. But endogenous antioxidants (glutathione, SOD, molecular hydrogen, etc) are highly selective. This was demonstrated in a study where smokers supplemented antioxidants had worse health and mortality outcomes than those who weren't supplemented. This is the problem with a plant-based diet in trying to increase such things as antioxidants. A low-carb, fatty animal-based diet (e.g., keto) is low deuterium and produces fewer harmful ROS in the first place.
Being designed to be addictive and actually being addictive are not the same thing. But you’re kind of right: the processing of food products is methodically and deliberately altered to increase consumption. Their motivation, however, is probably not to keep us sick and addicted, but simply to sell more product.
@@mfkleven They now it makes you sick and addicted. they are guilty. Just like the illegal drug pushers. Why else would there be high fructose corn syrup in infant formula. Food corporations are as guilty as the tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical companies. Profit over ethics.
@@pabeader1941 I'm not anxious to defend ultra-processed food companies, but I am curious if you have a source for your claim. I can imagine them desiring addiction as it would guarantee steady consumption. But to desire general sickness would be pure malevolence, and that's a stretch.
This is not a logical argument. The body makes all sorts of things that can be very harmful in excess, including glucose, lactate, CO2, ROS, insulin, triglycerides, and even cells themselves.
@@odavyjoe2764Correct. Since the body makes it, it’s not essential, meaning you don’t have to eat it. The essential fatty acids are all unsaturated. However, this fact is unrelated to the question of how healthy it may or may not be. Furthermore, all fats found in nature are a mixture of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids in various concentrations, so avoiding all dietary saturated fat is neither possible nor necessary for health.
@@WharnieWhittler I'm always trying to improve my logic :-) However, glucose in small quantities is not unhealthy. There are 2 main ways to feed the brain - glucose and ketones - the body produces both. The logical point was that if poly or mono-saturated fats were better, maybe the body would have evolved to make them?
~30:15 Nina, LDL is not part of the risk calculator because LDL is a *calculated number* based on TC, Trig, and HDL using a formula established in the 1950s and later slightly revised. It is a *junk* number, especially for people who deviate from the USDA SAD. LDL is *never* measured directly in any of the current clinical lipid panels.
You should have Dr Bart Kay on your show. He´s been saying saturated fats are what we actually need to consume for years. This is homo sapien sapien species specific diet along with meat from rumiant animals. LDL has no bearing at all on CAD
Considering some skepticism from Dom on LDL/ApoB in the context of a lean, healthy, well muscled person, LMHR, I would like to see Dom and Peter Attia having a discussion, considering Tom Dayspring, Lipidologist as Peters consultant on the topic with ApoB at 50 as a tool to assist in reducing ASCVD. Understandably, that number is most helpful, especially with insulin resistance or an elevated high hsCRP
I’m not familiar with the components of the AHA risk calculator that you’re referring to but LDLs are calculated from total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol and triglycerides so it’s possible that the calculator is still using the LDL data point but just calculating it in the back end.
I heard most westerners said that palm oil is bad. Only Nina says that palm oil is a very stable oil. She is really a good investigate science journalist. Palm oil is bad because due to western countries policies to protect their oils.
Lots of information coming out recently on the gut microbiome. We are being told that we can only get fiber from plants and not meat. Would be interested in comments. Thanks.
There is a great talk by Dr Zoe Harcombe on fiber, on the Low Carb Down Under channel on youtube ruclips.net/video/KrmpK_Lckg/видео.htmlsi=G9qdYcbMpV5-sO4Y
There are ZERO studies that show fiber is essential. That "science" came from the cereal industry. The studies on fiber are epidemiology. Which does not account for healthy user bias
Animal foods also feed microbes. Think of high meat (i.e., partly rotten meat) that is basically fermented or cultured. The same thing is done, of course, with dairy. Microbes particularly love the collagen from connective tissue and skin. And the microbes fed on collagen will produce postbiotics such as SCFAs. For example, isobutyrate derived from animal foods is similar to butyrate that comes from fiber. The body can even convert ketones into SCFAs, and those ketones can be made from both fatty acids and protein. Where did the strange idea come from that gut microbes will only eat fiber?
If you look at a tribe like the Hadza, regardless of who you believe as far as their fiber consumption goes, it's the dirt and poor sanitation that leads to their diverse microbiome. You could consume an entire container of Metamucil everyday and your microbiome will never look like theirs, nor would it be necessary to look like theirs because we don't live in their environment. Our microbiome is the first line of defense as immunity to things that we regularly ingest and plays a role in digestion but those who push "the science" push their supplements, such as ZOE. Much of epidemiology is essentially just paid infomercials. If we stop washing our hands, food, dishes, utensils and food prep areas prior to eating, the diversity of our microbiome would go through the roof but I doubt most people want to do that or that it would be beneficial for anything other than supporting health in a less sanitary lifestyle.
@@MarmaladeINFPright? Lactobacillus wasn't doing a damn thing for our ancestors when they were munching on a partially rotten carcass. We can adapt to survive on just about anything if it's just a matter of tolerating certain bacteria without triggering an aggressive immune response.
Have you read the complete reports of the Virta 5-year study? Please try and make a video about it! I tried, and there is a huge ethical problem with it that needs to be exposed! If you are honest and critical of bad science and cherry picking reporting, you need to expose their clear hiding of results! What I saw was: super detail 1-year papers and reports with plots using weekly frequency (at least 52 points in yearly plots). But for the year-2 papers, the reports lack detail and plots have a yearly frequency. They went from 52points to only 2 points (one per year) in their 2-year papers! Only TWO points! That is laughable and clear sign of data manipulation and hiding. But it got worse: no public detailed reports or papers for years 3 to 5. What are they hiding! You need to check this and make a video about it! Be honest! Be honest with yourself, your project, science, and your followers!
I agree. Questioning the ethics of humans eating a proper human diet of meat is as ludicrous as questioning a Koala Bear’s ethics of eating all the eucalyptus leaves it can find. We should eat what nature designed us to eat. Period. Full stop. No argument. No debate. No more gaslighting and bullshit from the vegan fanatics.
I make a delicious gluten free chocolate chip cookie and it is not addictive. You really can eat just one. They don't even taste good with milk. I make a stevia flavor chocolate raw milk that is highly addictive. Especially when hungry or thirsty.
About addiction, it usualy takes time to get in and time to get out. Getting in is fun getting out hurts. So what about the future? Seems that many people are blind to a clear vision of the future . Is this is a major cause of illness? Curing obesity is much bigger than wedding photos and before and after picks. Imagine all the active effortless lifelong fun activities and relationships......as opposed to becoming trapped in a body and mind that no longer functions properly. We need to continualy exercise our imagination to stimulate our enthusiasm for what we really want
It's great, as always, to listen to Nina Teicholz, a real warrior in a barren land we can no longer call science. I have one thing to point out or question: at ruclips.net/video/VVuQyMfwCFc/видео.html Nina talks about people being poor and therefore eating worse (having to rely on processed foods). In my experience, eating meat (and other animal foods) turns out to be a more expensive diet only in the beginning when you switch from standard to keto or carnivore. After a while, especially when you have learned to chew your food the proper way before swallowing it, and once your body has adapted to it and ramped up resorption, you need way less volume, thanks to the high nutrient density and saturation of animal protein an fat (fats from meat being one of the most inexpensive high energy density foods available while it doesn't seem more expensive than plant protein and fat, esp. seen from a resorption standpoint) and actually spend less or at least not significantly more money than on a standard, processed food dominated diet (while we don't even mention costs for health problems resulting from it). The addictive factor of artificially flavoured foods may not only be a problem in itself but also trigger other addictions like binge eating (for the deficiencies created by a nutrient deficient diet, too little dopamine production etc.). Overall, it does not automatically cost more to eat a non-deficient diet, but I recognize that people with a tight budget are less likely to learn about healthy nutrition alternatives - it takes time and some financial freedom to research on things, try different things... also, the social aspect of deviating from a standard diet should not be underestimated - and then there are mass media to confirm any kind of unhealthy eating.
I’m not a doctor, however what we need to look at are the randomized control studies with placebo on statins. The results are only a minor improvement of about 1% and actually more heart attacks occur with LOW cholesterol than high cholesterol. The more important factors are Triglycerides and the ratio of HDL to triglycerides, not LDL. Carnivore is the best diet for reversing diabetes type two and numerous autoimmune diseases 😎
Inflammation results from injury to inner wall of arteries and is a marker for repair of the injury. The I Injury occurs in areas of turbulent flow and hypertension further promotes this. Veined not subject to these forces do not develope such injuries and therefor do not develope atherosclerosis nor do pulmonary arteries except in pulmonary hypertension.
You would have to measure impact of eating for the next two weeks to show how the ultra processed food triggers over eating and other cravings because they lack actual nutrition.
Best treatment for atherosclerosis: Vitamin C Why do only coronary arteries clog with cholesterol and not veins or small capillaries? If "high cholesterol" is the cause of clogging your arteries, why doesn't it clog the arteries in your finger, your nose, and the smallest capillaries in your toe? Scurvy = No vitamin C in your diet. Symptom: Your blood vessels break and you bleed to death. Think of the sailor of the past. Scurvy of the heart = Just enough vitamin C from food. Symptom: Arteries around the heart are not strong enough to resist high blood pressure. Damage is repaired with cholesterol LP(a) to prevent worse. After years of repair, your arteries become clogged. A guinea pig can also not synthesize vitamin C by themself, just like humans, and needs supplementing 50 mg vitamin C every day and weighs only 1 kilo. 1 orange = 50 mg vitamin C. Do you really think that 75 mg vitamin C for YOU is enough? What is your weight? Enough vitamin C supplement of at least 3000 mg. per day gives strong and flexible arteries. Cholesterol is not needed as a repair agent. Cholesterol in your coronary arteries is broken down and burned in your liver. Source RUclips: - Cardiovascular disease and vitamin C (Dr. Rath Foundation) - Ending the Cardiovascular Epidemic by Natural Means - Dr. Matthias Rath
Personally, - just my N=1 here - I am not a guinea pig. I have canine teeth for a start, and my incisors don't keep growing. My own GPs were cute but not too advanced in the thinking department as I recall. 🤔 Perhaps the GP needs all that vitamin C in order to deploy calcium in its interminable tooth production. Or to cope with the oxidative stress from all the plant matter it fangs to keep its teeth sufficiently ground down in the hope of speaking more clearly one day 😁
The science keeps getting ignored because of the biggest side effect of a high protein diet: populations become much harder to manipulate. Scientists live on grants so it is expected that their views are highly malleable depending on sponsorship and the views desired to be supported by their masters. It’s actually harder to buy off a politician than a scientist because at some point, the politician will have to face his constituency on the results of his/her actions.
According to Galenic humoralism as Christianized in the Middle Ages, it was believed that red meat heated and built the 'blood'. It was considered so invigorating and strengthening that it was blamed for peasant riots and revolts. In response, medieval food laws put bans on red meat consumption during Carnival, festivals, and other public celebrations (Ken Albala & Trudy Eden, "Food and Faith in Christian Culture"). Maybe there was some truth to this belief. The red-meat-eating Mongols, though small in number, were able to overrun multiple civilizations of vast populations that were dependent on an agricultural diet. It's quite likely that the entire fuedal order could not have been maintained if the peasants and serfs were well-nourished, healthy, energetic, strong, and with mental vigor. Certainly, the Seventh Day Adventists believed it when they used pseudo-scientific rhetoric to modernize those medieval Christian beliefs in fear-mongering about animal foods promoting excess libido (Belinda Fettke). Their reason for advocating fiber was to suppress sexual impulses in adolescent boys. This is how an ancient dietary ideology was smuggled into modern scientific thought. It did involve much funding to be enacted, but the original motivation was religious.
My understanding is that LDL is a marker for the actual cause of cardiovascular disease, which is excess carbs and polyunsaturated fat consumption. Yellow fingers from smoking are associated with lung cancer, but not a direct cause. You can wash wear gloves, but this will have no impact on the rate of lung cancer deaths, just as taking statins has no real direct impact on the cardiovascular outcomes that really matter.
You're forgetting about gluten intolerance and the lack of nutritional minerals in the soil especially in westernized countries that have been farming the same way... No one is really allowing it to flood in the farmlands which brings the mineral silt back in and or the women that used to put the wood ash back into the soil for thousands of years... The leftover from would fires is minerals
Wikipedia: "She earned a degree in American Studies at Stanford University, and completed her master's in Latin American Studies at Oxford University.[3][4]"
@@MrGo2049 - But when tested, most olive oil products on the market were mixed with seed oils. And keep in mind therse products never listed seed oils in their ingredients. Restaurants also typically mix olive oil with seed oils. This means that, unless you have a trusted source, you have no way of knowing if your olive oil doesn't have seed oils.
~44:30 Re: aldehydes... Nina, what you are thinking of is what is called a free radical cascade. This is what causes the ploymerization of chemicals that contain double bonds and causes PUFAs to thicken and form coagulated films like paint. It is the free radicals that have such short lifetimes that they can't be measured.
I never liked the term ultra processed food either. I think we are suffering an obesity crisis as well as a malnourishment crisis because our food is nutrient deficient. We get fat because we aren't getting enough nutrients from our food. We are starving fat people. And this is caused by nutrient deficient food. In my opinion the problem with ultra processed food is that nutrients are taken out of them and some toxins are put in them. The problem isn't that the food is ultra processed per se.
Ultra-processed is an imperfect term, but it is partly correct. Some of our nutritional deficiencies comes from processing that is industrial instead of traditional. Many methods of processing destroy or remove nutrients. Think of pasteuriztion that breaks down enzymes, vitamin D, and the Wulzen factor. Sure, they add back in synthetic vitamin D, but research shows it has problems compared to natural vitamin D.
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I'm an RN, currently at a conference for primary health care nurses. I am also a carnivore. One of the speakers this morning was a doctor who was saying that LDL is the bad cholestrol and listing all the statins that will lower it and prevent heart disease and that ALL diabetics should be on statins. When his patients express concern about the possible side effects of statins, he tells them (his words!) "Must choose, take the statins or die". I choose to listen to the amazing doctors in this community who are challenging the standard teachings and medical practices (or malpractices!) and revealing the truth! Thank you, Nina!❤
There is a list on ProPublica of how much money various doctors have received from pharma/food/device companies. If you search “Dollars for Docs ProPublica” you’ll find it. Might be interesting to see if that speaker is on there. 🧐
LDL is causative of ASCVD and diabetics are at increased risk. Watch my in depth videos on these topics.
@DrMAlo that's nonsense!! 💯
My comment about looking up doctors' conflicts of interest on a specific website looks like it got deleted or hidden, and then Dr. Alo shows up . . . .
@@DrMAlo In the Women's Health Initiative, they reported that statin therapy was associated with a 48% INCREASE in the risk of self-reported diabetes. If diabetics are at an increased risk of ASCVD and a medication that's specifically designed to lower LDL is leading to an increase in diabetes which you just said is a risk-factor for ASCVD . . . sounds like something's a bit off in your logic there.
Nina's book "The Big Fat Surprise" was life changing for me. I heard about it from several doctors that say it changed the way they think and practice. She's an exceptional writer and researcher, I really appreciate her thoroughness and passion for getting to the bottom of things. Congrats on getting a PhD!
We couldn't agree more!
Congratulations to Nina on a well deserved PhD!
Nina is the woman who I found on RUclips 3 years ago. She did her homework, told the truth and was attacked by government and big food corporations. Since I found Nina at age 59 I lost 52 pounds and got off 7 daily medications, 4 of which were expensive prescriptions. I now find myself 62 and in great health and best of all, the knowledge of what to and not to be in my diet. If you read this Nina, thank you for saving my life.
way to go, bro! spread the word.
Never stop telling your story. ❤
Wow, thank you for sharing this! We'll pass along the message and appreciate you watching this episode!
She is a hero.
What are you talking about? Has anybody researched where her main funding comes from?
I’m reading Nina’s book right now.. can’t put the book down.. Congratulations Nina for getting your PHD … we need more doctors like her..
So pleased to see that your excellent work has earned you a PhD! Well deserved!
Nina's Teicholz book was revelation to me and it changed my life!
It's an incredible read! Thanks for sharing!
Her book was funded by big cattle.
Same!
So happy for Nina! Congrats on the PhD!🎉
Congratulations Nina. Quality of evidence is so important when “medicating” entire populations.
Congratulations on your PhD, Nina! You have ABSOLUTELY earned it and your work is incredibly important. Thank you so much for your contributions to all of our health.
Congratulations Nina on earning your PhD in Nutrition this year, a testament to your hard work.
Freeman Dyson really disliked the PhD system (he didn't have one)... he preferred people gain rep from actually producing valuable contributions to scientific investigation. That's what Nina did, and she deserves recognition for that.
Julian Jaynes, a highly original thinker, also refused to get a PhD. But he spent most of his career in academia. He just thought that one's scholarship should speak for itself.
@@MarmaladeINFP Julian Jaynes? wow, a blast from the past!
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Congratulations to Dr. Teicholz!
Nice to see that she got a PhD, even if it's on published works. She did the work required and then some, might as well get something out of it! Congrats to her!
I am almost finished reading her book and it has validated so much of what I have already learned and experienced in my past 9 months as a carnivore dieter. I will be subscribing to her substack. Thank you for this superb interview.
Could listen to you two all day long! ❤
We're so glad you enjoyed this episode! Thank you!
Dear Nina, I am so happy that all your research has been acknowledged. I have learned so much from you. Thank you for all your hard work!
Nina needs a Nobel prize for services to humanity ❤
She is great and HONEST ❤! Thank you Dom. ❤❤❤❤.Eyes mind heart and soul wide open. NO FEAR.
Highly recommend Nina’s substack!
Well deserved PhD- Nina - you are truly one of the trail blazers/myth busters in Nutrition Sciences!! Well done👏🏾
Thanks for helping humanity waking up
A pleasure to.listen to Dr Nina.
I book changed my life and I have followed her since. Love everything she’s done. You also have helped me Dom. Another one of my heroes.
Thank you for sharing and watching!
after listening to Dr Gabrielle Lyon's guest Dr. Jess Gwin who is also looking at the guidelines - you should get together LOL ! All the best going forward. I'm proud to say I never gave up butter or full fat milk and never ate an egg white omelette in my life. I have slightly high LDL but I have no heart disease. HDL good, triglycerides low and blood sugars excellent.
There are two books that have changed my life and health, they are The Big Fat Surprise by Tina and The Clot Thickens by Dr Malcolm Kendrick. I am now 100% Carnivore
Well, don't come crying to anyone if your health fails after eating nothing but animal products
Where is the scientific or historical evidence showing that a carnivorous diet is linked to longevity? Teischolz has been debunked so many times. Look at our anatomic nature. We are not carnivores.
As many have remained healthy on a carnivore diet for years and decades, I'm sure you'll do fine. The same can't be said for vegans, as the scientific research shows.
I completely agree with those book recommendations. Wonderful books.
Dr Kendrik is another hero for Humanity!
Oh Nina! See what you do?!? I get my que lined up and scheduled, then here you come! Always an absolute delight 💕
Awesome work Nina! You have earned every bit of it! Congratulations! 🥰
Well done Nina, congratulations for your PHD, you’ve done really well to spread the word about food and diet.😊
Happy birthday Nina! Thanks for all your work.
This is a Great video with the breaking national news. RFK endorsing Nina's book, along with his commitment to making our children healthy again.
A couple sleeves of Oreos and that ldl comes right down.
Good point on the Oreos, & booze makes your HDL go right up as well. Oreos & Booze 👍
Metabolic dysfunction is inability to use glucose for energy, body switches to fat oxidation as default backup system.
polyunsaturated oils are good for making paint; linseed oil, flaxseed oil - same thing
originally developed for engine oil
I can't remember where I heard it, but supposedly the seed oils are less satiating. Combined with the sugar/salt in processed foods makes you more likely to eat them without feeling the need to stop.
Also, in nature fat comes packaged with protein not carbs.
While I despair over getting the truth out, or at least opening people's eyes to question the status quo, as Nina mentioned how hard it is for the medical community to challenge medical "cookbook"approaches to treating wellness...at least we have luminaries like Nina to learm from.
Two people I follow and appreciate here in another valuable podcast with balanced, solid information and opinions!
Mabuhay congratulations Dr Nina Teicholz! Philippines🇵🇭
Good stuff guys, the one thing I would mention about processed foods is that industrial supplementation of components,I.e.American Cheese. . . And the sterile nature of storage requirements (dead food) the microbiology compromise from fresh foods. . . I didn't know Oxidation was/is a exponential cascading chemical reaction is alarming. Congratulations to Nina on her well deserved PhD.
We need to consider the proliferation of High Fructose Corn Syrup in food now. May increase addiction.
Seed oils oxidize on the shelf. Don't require heating to make them bad. They have additives to hide that fact.
Dr. DOM for making you content available, I wish more people wou,would, understand all this
We know that mainstream nutrition writers are terrified of saying anything positive about saturated fats....
Sarah Halberg saved my life.
RIP, Dr Halberg.
Eyes mind heart and soul wide open. NO FEAR ❤!
This is a fantastic discussion. Thanks all! Cheers, Michael
Kudos to you, Nina for all you do!❤️🙏
Great interview and Nina is always a pleasure to listen to. Thanks for the great content!
Thank you. Interesting discussion.
Love your work Dr. Nina
I'd add two related points. Seed oils are not only oxidative and inflammatory but also mutagenic and high deuterium. The mutagenic part is discussed by Catherine Shanahan. And the high deuterium part is discussed by various experts, such as Laszlo Boros. The cumulative effect of all of these is surely greater than any of them alone.
As for the oxidative component specifically, we should clarify that there are both harmful ROS (reactive oxygen species) and beneficial ROS, the latter needed for physiological signalling. Plant-sourced antioxidants eliminate all ROS with no discernment. But endogenous antioxidants (glutathione, SOD, molecular hydrogen, etc) are highly selective.
This was demonstrated in a study where smokers supplemented antioxidants had worse health and mortality outcomes than those who weren't supplemented. This is the problem with a plant-based diet in trying to increase such things as antioxidants. A low-carb, fatty animal-based diet (e.g., keto) is low deuterium and produces fewer harmful ROS in the first place.
He's wrong about the markers for lean mass hyper responders - it's Triglycerides under 70 (not 40's), HDL over 80 and LDL over 200
Congrats to Nina. Important work
Learn to Live in your TRUTH ❤.
We do not KNOW that APOb is causative for anything. It may be additive but not causative.
Ultra-processed food is designed to be addictive. That's a known and documented fact.
Being designed to be addictive and actually being addictive are not the same thing. But you’re kind of right: the processing of food products is methodically and deliberately altered to increase consumption. Their motivation, however, is probably not to keep us sick and addicted, but simply to sell more product.
@@mfkleven They now it makes you sick and addicted. they are guilty. Just like the illegal drug pushers. Why else would there be high fructose corn syrup in infant formula. Food corporations are as guilty as the tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical companies. Profit over ethics.
@@mfkleven The sick and addicted is also in the documentation. The food scientists were given those terms as part of there design criteria.
@@pabeader1941 I'm not anxious to defend ultra-processed food companies, but I am curious if you have a source for your claim. I can imagine them desiring addiction as it would guarantee steady consumption. But to desire general sickness would be pure malevolence, and that's a stretch.
OMG this woman is SO GOOD
I learned from Dr. Ben Bickman that the body produces saturated fat. If saturated fat was so unhealthy the body would not make it.
This is not a logical argument. The body makes all sorts of things that can be very harmful in excess, including glucose, lactate, CO2, ROS, insulin, triglycerides, and even cells themselves.
Good point. So if that is true then, Just like carbs, if the body makes it, we don't need to eat it?
@@odavyjoe2764Correct. Since the body makes it, it’s not essential, meaning you don’t have to eat it. The essential fatty acids are all unsaturated. However, this fact is unrelated to the question of how healthy it may or may not be. Furthermore, all fats found in nature are a mixture of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids in various concentrations, so avoiding all dietary saturated fat is neither possible nor necessary for health.
I'm a carnivore but can see that you're logic is flawed, due mostly to the fact that the body also creates its own glucose...
@@WharnieWhittler I'm always trying to improve my logic :-) However, glucose in small quantities is not unhealthy. There are 2 main ways to feed the brain - glucose and ketones - the body produces both. The logical point was that if poly or mono-saturated fats were better, maybe the body would have evolved to make them?
Anything sweet will trigger me. So glad to have identified that. Much more peaceful 😀
~30:15 Nina, LDL is not part of the risk calculator because LDL is a *calculated number* based on TC, Trig, and HDL using a formula established in the 1950s and later slightly revised. It is a *junk* number, especially for people who deviate from the USDA SAD. LDL is *never* measured directly in any of the current clinical lipid panels.
I found her about the same time I took the before in my profile pic. She's a first responder really. Risking quite a bit to save lives.
You should have Dr Bart Kay on your show. He´s been saying saturated fats are what we actually need to consume for years. This is homo sapien sapien species specific diet along with meat from rumiant animals. LDL has no bearing at all on CAD
Considering some skepticism from Dom on LDL/ApoB in the context of a lean, healthy, well muscled person, LMHR, I would like to see Dom and Peter Attia having a discussion, considering Tom Dayspring, Lipidologist as Peters consultant on the topic with ApoB at 50 as a tool to assist in reducing ASCVD. Understandably, that number is most helpful, especially with insulin resistance or an elevated high hsCRP
I’m not familiar with the components of the AHA risk calculator that you’re referring to but LDLs are calculated from total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol and triglycerides so it’s possible that the calculator is still using the LDL data point but just calculating it in the back end.
you can lower your risk of heart disease by just changing your postcode to a richer area
I heard most westerners said that palm oil is bad. Only Nina says that palm oil is a very stable oil. She is really a good investigate science journalist. Palm oil is bad because due to western countries policies to protect their oils.
Fantastic to hear that Nina got a PhD!! Dr Nina…. Congratulations!
Where is the Metabolomics Plus Kit? It's not listed on their website.
Lots of information coming out recently on the gut microbiome. We are being told that we can only get fiber from plants and not meat. Would be interested in comments. Thanks.
There is a great talk by Dr Zoe Harcombe on fiber, on the Low Carb Down Under channel on youtube ruclips.net/video/KrmpK_Lckg/видео.htmlsi=G9qdYcbMpV5-sO4Y
There are ZERO studies that show fiber is essential. That "science" came from the cereal industry. The studies on fiber are epidemiology. Which does not account for healthy user bias
Animal foods also feed microbes. Think of high meat (i.e., partly rotten meat) that is basically fermented or cultured. The same thing is done, of course, with dairy. Microbes particularly love the collagen from connective tissue and skin.
And the microbes fed on collagen will produce postbiotics such as SCFAs. For example, isobutyrate derived from animal foods is similar to butyrate that comes from fiber. The body can even convert ketones into SCFAs, and those ketones can be made from both fatty acids and protein.
Where did the strange idea come from that gut microbes will only eat fiber?
If you look at a tribe like the Hadza, regardless of who you believe as far as their fiber consumption goes, it's the dirt and poor sanitation that leads to their diverse microbiome. You could consume an entire container of Metamucil everyday and your microbiome will never look like theirs, nor would it be necessary to look like theirs because we don't live in their environment.
Our microbiome is the first line of defense as immunity to things that we regularly ingest and plays a role in digestion but those who push "the science" push their supplements, such as ZOE. Much of epidemiology is essentially just paid infomercials. If we stop washing our hands, food, dishes, utensils and food prep areas prior to eating, the diversity of our microbiome would go through the roof but I doubt most people want to do that or that it would be beneficial for anything other than supporting health in a less sanitary lifestyle.
@@MarmaladeINFPright? Lactobacillus wasn't doing a damn thing for our ancestors when they were munching on a partially rotten carcass. We can adapt to survive on just about anything if it's just a matter of tolerating certain bacteria without triggering an aggressive immune response.
Please organize a Nutrition Conference for all Nutrition Councils in the world
I like that Nina really made sure to bring home her points and to shut this joker down on many occasions during this 'interview'.
Have you read the complete reports of the Virta 5-year study? Please try and make a video about it! I tried, and there is a huge ethical problem with it that needs to be exposed! If you are honest and critical of bad science and cherry picking reporting, you need to expose their clear hiding of results! What I saw was: super detail 1-year papers and reports with plots using weekly frequency (at least 52 points in yearly plots). But for the year-2 papers, the reports lack detail and plots have a yearly frequency. They went from 52points to only 2 points (one per year) in their 2-year papers! Only TWO points! That is laughable and clear sign of data manipulation and hiding. But it got worse: no public detailed reports or papers for years 3 to 5. What are they hiding! You need to check this and make a video about it! Be honest! Be honest with yourself, your project, science, and your followers!
It's really sad that we have to have this LDL conversation so many times. It's one of the only conditions they can prescribe a pill for.
Love Nina! Ethics of Meat eating WTF? the world has gone mad lol
I agree. Questioning the ethics of humans eating a proper human diet of meat is as ludicrous as questioning a Koala Bear’s ethics of eating all the eucalyptus leaves it can find.
We should eat what nature designed us to eat. Period. Full stop. No argument. No debate. No more gaslighting and bullshit from the vegan fanatics.
My thought (and acronym) exactly! I grew up on a WI farm. We ate meat and veg and fruit and milk/cheese. I still do at age 77.
I make a delicious gluten free chocolate chip cookie and it is not addictive. You really can eat just one. They don't even taste good with milk. I make a stevia flavor chocolate raw milk that is highly addictive. Especially when hungry or thirsty.
About addiction, it usualy takes time to get in and time to get out.
Getting in is fun getting out hurts.
So what about the future?
Seems that many people are blind to a clear vision of the future .
Is this is a major cause of illness?
Curing obesity is much bigger than wedding photos and before and after picks.
Imagine all the active effortless lifelong fun activities and relationships......as opposed to becoming trapped in a body and mind that no longer functions properly.
We need to continualy exercise our imagination to stimulate our enthusiasm for what we really want
When insulin levels are low, just how much of modern disease is minimized?
Have an International Heart Association to compete with AHA and have an evidence base guidelines
If this were a science, AHA, ADA, etc. would answer their critics. We should challenge them. Ready when you are.
High LDL prevents cancer?
It's great, as always, to listen to Nina Teicholz, a real warrior in a barren land we can no longer call science. I have one thing to point out or question: at ruclips.net/video/VVuQyMfwCFc/видео.html Nina talks about people being poor and therefore eating worse (having to rely on processed foods). In my experience, eating meat (and other animal foods) turns out to be a more expensive diet only in the beginning when you switch from standard to keto or carnivore. After a while, especially when you have learned to chew your food the proper way before swallowing it, and once your body has adapted to it and ramped up resorption, you need way less volume, thanks to the high nutrient density and saturation of animal protein an fat (fats from meat being one of the most inexpensive high energy density foods available while it doesn't seem more expensive than plant protein and fat, esp. seen from a resorption standpoint) and actually spend less or at least not significantly more money than on a standard, processed food dominated diet (while we don't even mention costs for health problems resulting from it). The addictive factor of artificially flavoured foods may not only be a problem in itself but also trigger other addictions like binge eating (for the deficiencies created by a nutrient deficient diet, too little dopamine production etc.). Overall, it does not automatically cost more to eat a non-deficient diet, but I recognize that people with a tight budget are less likely to learn about healthy nutrition alternatives - it takes time and some financial freedom to research on things, try different things... also, the social aspect of deviating from a standard diet should not be underestimated - and then there are mass media to confirm any kind of unhealthy eating.
I’m not a doctor, however what we need to look at are the randomized control studies with placebo on statins. The results are only a minor improvement of about 1% and actually more heart attacks occur with LOW cholesterol than high cholesterol. The more important factors are Triglycerides and the ratio of HDL to triglycerides, not LDL. Carnivore is the best diet for reversing diabetes type two and numerous autoimmune diseases 😎
Inflammation results from injury to inner wall of arteries and is a marker for repair of the injury. The I
Injury occurs in areas of turbulent flow and hypertension further promotes this. Veined not subject to these forces do not develope such injuries and therefor do not develope atherosclerosis nor do pulmonary arteries except in pulmonary hypertension.
You would have to measure impact of eating for the next two weeks to show how the ultra processed food triggers over eating and other cravings because they lack actual nutrition.
I wish this entire conversation was insulin level based! How was insulin in every question mentioned?
You missed her tease about her next book ... we want to know!
Best treatment for atherosclerosis: Vitamin C
Why do only coronary arteries clog with cholesterol and not veins or small capillaries?
If "high cholesterol" is the cause of clogging your arteries, why doesn't it clog the arteries in your finger, your nose, and the smallest capillaries in your toe?
Scurvy = No vitamin C in your diet.
Symptom: Your blood vessels break and you bleed to death. Think of the sailor of the past.
Scurvy of the heart = Just enough vitamin C from food.
Symptom: Arteries around the heart are not strong enough to resist high blood pressure. Damage is repaired with cholesterol LP(a) to prevent worse. After years of repair, your arteries become clogged.
A guinea pig can also not synthesize vitamin C by themself, just like humans, and needs supplementing 50 mg vitamin C every day and weighs only 1 kilo.
1 orange = 50 mg vitamin C.
Do you really think that 75 mg vitamin C for YOU is enough? What is your weight?
Enough vitamin C supplement of at least 3000 mg. per day gives strong and flexible arteries. Cholesterol is not needed as a repair agent. Cholesterol in your coronary arteries is broken down and burned in your liver.
Source RUclips:
- Cardiovascular disease and vitamin C (Dr. Rath Foundation)
- Ending the Cardiovascular Epidemic by Natural Means - Dr. Matthias Rath
Personally, - just my N=1 here - I am not a guinea pig. I have canine teeth for a start, and my incisors don't keep growing. My own GPs were cute but not too advanced in the thinking department as I recall. 🤔
Perhaps the GP needs all that vitamin C in order to deploy calcium in its interminable tooth production. Or to cope with the oxidative stress from all the plant matter it fangs to keep its teeth sufficiently ground down in the hope of speaking more clearly one day 😁
The science keeps getting ignored because of the biggest side effect of a high protein diet: populations become much harder to manipulate.
Scientists live on grants so it is expected that their views are highly malleable depending on sponsorship and the views desired to be supported by their masters.
It’s actually harder to buy off a politician than a scientist because at some point, the politician will have to face his constituency on the results of his/her actions.
According to Galenic humoralism as Christianized in the Middle Ages, it was believed that red meat heated and built the 'blood'. It was considered so invigorating and strengthening that it was blamed for peasant riots and revolts. In response, medieval food laws put bans on red meat consumption during Carnival, festivals, and other public celebrations (Ken Albala & Trudy Eden, "Food and Faith in Christian Culture").
Maybe there was some truth to this belief. The red-meat-eating Mongols, though small in number, were able to overrun multiple civilizations of vast populations that were dependent on an agricultural diet. It's quite likely that the entire fuedal order could not have been maintained if the peasants and serfs were well-nourished, healthy, energetic, strong, and with mental vigor.
Certainly, the Seventh Day Adventists believed it when they used pseudo-scientific rhetoric to modernize those medieval Christian beliefs in fear-mongering about animal foods promoting excess libido (Belinda Fettke). Their reason for advocating fiber was to suppress sexual impulses in adolescent boys. This is how an ancient dietary ideology was smuggled into modern scientific thought. It did involve much funding to be enacted, but the original motivation was religious.
The LDL scam is criminal. The closer your triglycerides are to your HDL the better, period. We have all been had long enough.
Is the "ch" in Nina's last name pronounced like in "shoe" or like in " 'ch' olesterol" ?
My understanding is that LDL is a marker for the actual cause of cardiovascular disease, which is excess carbs and polyunsaturated fat consumption. Yellow fingers from smoking are associated with lung cancer, but not a direct cause. You can wash wear gloves, but this will have no impact on the rate of lung cancer deaths, just as taking statins has no real direct impact on the cardiovascular outcomes that really matter.
I don't understand how she hasn't heard of Dr Joel Wallach
Wow, that stuff about McDonald’s uniforms exploding from vegetable oils we make a good short clip.
You're forgetting about gluten intolerance and the lack of nutritional minerals in the soil especially in westernized countries that have been farming the same way... No one is really allowing it to flood in the farmlands which brings the mineral silt back in and or the women that used to put the wood ash back into the soil for thousands of years... The leftover from would fires is minerals
Wikipedia: "She earned a degree in American Studies at Stanford University, and completed her master's in Latin American Studies at Oxford University.[3][4]"
Have RCT on Prisoners on vegan vs Carnivore
I think most carnivore eating life style eaters promote better ranching practices. I’m close to getting all meat from local ranchers
Seed oils are eaten everyday. You ever hear of salad oil???? Seed oils taste terrible unless they have additives.
Olive oil is not a seed oil nor is avocado oil
@@MrGo2049 - But when tested, most olive oil products on the market were mixed with seed oils. And keep in mind therse products never listed seed oils in their ingredients. Restaurants also typically mix olive oil with seed oils. This means that, unless you have a trusted source, you have no way of knowing if your olive oil doesn't have seed oils.
If someone would tell me this guy is Dr Chaffee’s brother, I’d easily believe it.
~44:30 Re: aldehydes... Nina, what you are thinking of is what is called a free radical cascade. This is what causes the ploymerization of chemicals that contain double bonds and causes PUFAs to thicken and form coagulated films like paint. It is the free radicals that have such short lifetimes that they can't be measured.
7:25 saturated fat as it pertains to LDL
I never liked the term ultra processed food either. I think we are suffering an obesity crisis as well as a malnourishment crisis because our food is nutrient deficient. We get fat because we aren't getting enough nutrients from our food. We are starving fat people. And this is caused by nutrient deficient food. In my opinion the problem with ultra processed food is that nutrients are taken out of them and some toxins are put in them. The problem isn't that the food is ultra processed per se.
Ultra-processed is an imperfect term, but it is partly correct. Some of our nutritional deficiencies comes from processing that is industrial instead of traditional. Many methods of processing destroy or remove nutrients. Think of pasteuriztion that breaks down enzymes, vitamin D, and the Wulzen factor. Sure, they add back in synthetic vitamin D, but research shows it has problems compared to natural vitamin D.
@@MarmaladeINFP thank you for the information.