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Game of Thrones WHAT IF: Tyrion Wasn't Born a Dwarf
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Have you ever thought about what if Tyrion Lannister hadn't been born a dwarf? How would his life and the life of others change in Game of Thrones? Find out my opinion NOW!
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If Tyrion wasn't a dwarf, he'd have been Tywin's favourite. I feel Tywin hated the fact that he saw so much of himself in Tyrion. As Genna once said, Tyrion is Tywin's son. They're similar
Exactly
I feel like someone mentioned that Tyrion has Tywin’s features, just warped.
I think part of the reason Tywin hates Tyrion than not care for him is because Tyrion is exactly likely Tywin but only Tyrion doesn’t need to hide his flaws and make everyone fearful of him to control them unlike Tywin does
Building on this scenario. What if Joanna Lannister survived giving birth to Tyrion.
Yes
Then tywin might love something for once
I think Tywin and Cersei wouldnt have such blind hatred for Tyrion. It would change quite alot
joanna would have stood up for tyrion against cersi and tywin
I think Tywin would’ve made Tyrion hit the books just as much, as we do know Jamie was dyslexic and Tywin sat him down every day for 4 hours until he learned. I think Tyrion is pretty clever naturally, and if Tywin had shown him any sort of affection he probably would’ve ended up modelling himself after his father, not spending his time drinking and whoring, instead taking his fathers lessons seriously, just like Cersei.
No he would have made him learn everything like books, being a warrior, ect
I think the only thing I disagree on is I believe Tyrion would still be book smart
I agree with you. He could've grown up with a mentality like Rhaegar's.
Yeah I agree with this a lot. I feel like tywin would have trained him to be mite cunning and smart because both Jaime and cersei were not that smart in the game so he would want an heir that is.
@@christopherturley1340 Rhaegar ran away with the offspring of one of the most powerful lords in the seven kingdoms and didn't expect any repercussions. He was intelligent until he did that.
@@shaunyg4156 he definitely expected something to happen and i think after the trident in some way hed start to try and make repairs to his part in the rebellion. roberts warhammer caving in his chest was unexpected to rhaegae and i believe news of the prince dying on the ruby ford shocked many many people. don’t forget rhaegar won tourneys snd hes a great warrior
@@christopherturley1340 k
What if:
- Cersei didn't revive the faith militant after Tywin's death
- Joffrey married Sansa and not Margaery
- Robert and Cersei loved one another
- Lady Stoneheart was revived after The Red Wedding
- Lysa married Jaime (Aerys II also never named Jaime to the kings guard)
- Rhaego (Dany and Drogo's son) lives
- Lysa loved Jon Arryn and hated Littlefinger
- Ellaria and the Sand Snakes failed to/didn't kill Myrcella
- Cersei died in Joffrey's birth
- Osha stabbed Ramsay to death in Season 6
- Renly supported Stannis' claim
- Tyrion kills Cersei and Tywin before he flees Kings Landing
- Lyanna and Rhaegar were betrothed instead of Elia and Rhaegar
And finally
- Tywin died at the War of the Ninepenny Kings
J K all good ones
Those are pretty good
Now I want each one of them! He needs to do every each one of these.
J K maybe not died at the war of the nine penny kings, because then the Reynes Of Castamere wouldn’t be a song, and i like the song
J K honestly I am most down what if Robert and Cersei actually loved each other.
what if Cersei died while Joffrey was being born 2 versions one joff is still a bastard by incessed (normal timeline)
2 vB Joff is trueborn and Robert loved Cersei.
Here’s a “What if” straight from the books...
ASOS Ch. 45 - Catelyn V
“On the night of the Whispering Wood... Theon Greyjoy fought at Robb’s side and boasted of how he had almost crossed swords with The Kingslayer... If Theon had died in place of Lord Karstark’s sons how much ill would have been undone?”
What if the Targaryens preserved the secret of Valyrian Steel and continued mass producing it at least until their dragons died?
What if all of Tywin's children had been born as dwarves?
magister343 that would never happen that’s like winning the lottery twice
In a row!
Kings Landing explodes.
Lmao now you got me imagining midget Cersei and midget Jamie shagging each other in that tower in winterfell
@@joesubel thanks for that image and I was having such a boring day.
What if Jamie and Tyrion were the twins and Cersi was the one that killed their mom in child birth
Tyler Alarms you could frame this as if what if their mother didn't die in child birth alone and it'd be interesting
Nel Kitten please correct me if im wrong so i dont sound stupid, but i think he already did that one
Tyler Alarms honestly he could have since he's done so many. Lol
Honestly this is one I am definitely interested in and I don't think he made a video yet, I just looked through most of the one's about Cersei and didn't find it.
Can you say best bros? I can see the sitcom already. Lol
What if Rhaego (Dany and Drogo's son) lived?
What if Tywin kept Arya as his cupbearer??
What if Jon was passed off as Benjen's son?
Or as the posthumously born bastard of Brandon, the Wild Wolf?
magister343
Ned would never soil the name of his brother, it would be like Ned calls his sister a whore.
What's more, Brandon died before the rebellion, which itself took two years(?). It would be hard for Jon to be Brandon's at the end of the war. Newborns are of course smaller than one year olds. And Benjen would likely be willing to do something like this.
baconsarnies2
Benjen is called the pup, it means his a bit too young like his 13 or 14, he can't have sex, his family name be ruined. Ned would never pass Jon as anyone else, it's better he took the responsibility, Ned is already young man, his gonna spend his life raising kids and be a ruler of the North.
bubblewrapstargirl
I highly doubt Ned would share his secret nor the shame with anyone else, if Ned did shared his secret with benjen like he did with Dayne's older brother, wylla, howland. Ned would never let someone take the dirt for himself, and Ned would only let few know the truth, benjen knew why lyanna did it, because lyanna was the knight, and if benjen did had several bastards someone would have noticed.
I’d like to think Tyrion would be a lot more like Tywin, Jamie had dyslexia and it caused Tywin a lot of grief that his son wasn’t as book smart as he was. Tyrion would still be intelligent and I think Tywin would get him to read as he did with Jaime and he’d do it a lot better and he may become Tywins favourite. Jamie would join the kings guard still, Tyrion would be heir to house Lannister and be like a Tywin Junior.
I always thought Tyrion would have been near enough exactly like his Father. If Jaime is naturally a good fighter then Tyrion is naturally inclined to reading and being clever. The joke of the character as we know is he would easily be Tywin's favourite if he wasn't a dwarf or if he was just cared for properly growing up. I can imagine Tywin being a bit relieved at Jaime joining the kingsguard meaning Tyrion would take over the house.
I don't know if this has been done but what if Catelyn didn't captured Tyrion but just went back to Winterfell instead like Ned told her to.
WHAT IF: Samwell Tarly wasn’t fat??
(Keeping with the body issues theme)
Ellis Williams probably just be like dickon
Ellis Williams 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Burnt like a crisp like his papa and brother
I don't think Sam being fit instead of fat would change his life much if he were still meek-tempered. At least, definitely not as much as if he were still fat but also bold and assertive.
It was not his body tho...He said that his father always gave him the stinky eye because he wasn't interested in "manly" pursuits and would rather read and stay around his mother
I think a better question to ask would be what if Joanna survived Tyrion's birth
Someone else suggested that recently!...I think that's going to be made, for sure.
Batt totally looks like he could have played a young Robert Baratheon.
What if Robb Stark lost the war but (somehow) survived The Red Wedding
That would’ve been amazing to watch....... I’d imagine he’d get captured by somebody or make his way to Castle Black
Robb Stark was screwed the moment he betrayed Walder Frey. Everyone wanted him dead from that point on.
@@burningcoal5705 it’s theorized he would’ve betrayed him anyway since he could’ve married him and his daughter at his keep right there if he wanted to
He'd probably be given to King's Landing for Joffrey to behead so that he can have the image of killing Robb himself. If the execution would be set after his wedding to Margaery Tyrell, he could either be: 1) released by Jaime as an alternative of his promise to Catelyn to save her daughters (Arya was gone, but he may think Robb would do to fulfill the other half of his oath) and have him join Tyrion and Varys to sail across the Narrow Sea and for Robb to be Tyrion's protector; or 2) he'll be snuck out by Littlefinger (less likely as Robb is more Ned unlike Sansa, but maybe he despises the Lannisters for Catelyn's death) and he'll be sailing with him and Sansa to the Vale. Robb could be one of his "gifts" to Sansa like in the books, where he promised Sansa Harry Hardyng, the Vale of Arryn, and Winterfell. Robb could be another gift in order to make Sansa think that she owes Littlefinger so much that she has no choice but to do what he says.
I think that Tyrion would know that he would never be as good of a fighter as Jaime, so he would still read the books, and he would be a trained fighter.
That's not fair to Tyrion I think. If he was normal-bodied, Tyrion (in theory) could be just as good as Jaime. Rather, he has the potential to be. For all we know, Tyrion would be even better!
I understand, good video as always.
What if Lyanna had told her family that she went with Rhaegar willingly
OR
What if Ned had told everyone Jon’s true heritage before he died (like instead of proclaiming that Joffrey was the true king. He says to everyone that Jon is the true king)
OR
What if Ned had saved Elia and her kids from The Mountain
OR
What if Sansa told the truth about what happened with Joffrey, Arya and Mycha at the lake
OR
What if Bran and Rickon had gone to the wall as planned
OR
What if Jon had found Bran and Rickon while they were hiding in that tower before he left the Wildlings
OR
What if Brandon had killed Littlefinger
Michelle De Conceicao Northerners don't become knights.
He already made some of those videos before.
Northerners never became Knights, because they don't follow the faith.
soyon manlai You mean almost. Because Rodrik Cassel and Jorah Mormont are both northerners and knights.
Patrick Donnolley
They Followed the faith and code of chivalry, they also kept their old gods belief, the manderly of white harbor they strongly follow the faith they have church or a cathedral.
What if Rickard Karstark kills Jamie Lannister?
RIP Sansa then.
I think that because Jamie is the golden child and such a naturally strong fighter, I believe Tyrion would train enough to fight, but not be as good as his brother. I believe Tyrion would have studied more and possibly tried to emulate his father's tactics a little more than to be like Jamie. Therefore it would give more depth and well roundedness to the Lannisters.
What if Daemon the I Blackfyre won his rebellion
What if renly stayed in kings landing with ned/ what if ned accepted renlys offer.
If Tyrion wasn't born a dwarf?
He would have been Tywin's favorite
What if Robb Stark is killed by Jamie at the Battle of the Whispering Wood?
DrRockso1987 catelyn would commit seppuk
The north would still win that battle and his uncle would take his place and fulfill his promise to Frey and the north would have much higher dominance over the lanisters and win the war
@@originaler31er67 technically Bran would be King in the North but Edmure might take over Northern and Riverlands forces.
That makes no sense, If anything Jamie would’ve been killed.
7:47 that is a cursed image
I still think Tywin would have beared resentment towards Tyrion because of the fact that johanna died giving birth to him.
What if Tyrion and Sansa were in love/ married for love
Rakonax The only way that scenario will play out is if LF didn’t have Ser Dontos in place to spirit Sansa out of King’s Landing. She would have been tried along side Tyrion. She probably would have been in the trial by combat as well with either Oberyn or potentially Loras as her champion (the former if Cersei pushes for there to only one between the two. The latter is if the laws allow for each defendant to get their own champion). Assuming the canon plays out (one or both get their heads smashed). Then Varys will send her to Meereen with Tyrion and it plays out from there. Possibility of Daenerys’s involvement at the Battle of the Bastards.
What if Kevin never made a what if video? How sad would that be? Good video once again - loved it - what a difficult concept. I don't think I'd like this Tyrion - he'd be more like season 1 Jamie... who needs more of that?
What if that lannister soldier didnt interrupt (sorry for my grammar) Ned and Jaime lannister's fight.
What would have done Robert?
What if mance rayder bent the knee/joined stannis
What if shireen wasn't burn by melisandre
That'd be good to see done.
Mo Da I heard that neither of this happened in the books
What if Aegon Targaryen adopted The Old Gods rather than the Seven?
What if Jon stayed with the Wildings instead of returning to Castle Black?
What if Robert killed Balon Greyjoy at the Greyjoy Rebellion?
What if it was Tywin who died at the Purple Wedding instead of Joffrey?
What if Joanna Lannister survived after giving birth to Tyrion?
Also forgot two other options.
What if Ygritte survived the Battle of Castle Black?
And
What if Ned Stark or Jaime Lannister managed to save Elia Martell and her children?
Thanks man.
What If The Mad King Never Listened To Pycelle to open the Gates to Tywin's Army??
They would still get in
Tywin caused Tyrion to become who he was. Tywin always hated his father. Who some have said killed this father. The irony is he brought about his own death by his own son. Just as he brought about his fathers death.
Tywin didn't hate Tytos, nor was Tywin the cause of his death
What if another Valyrian house survived the Doom?
Glingy Venom You mean other than the Velaryons, Celtigars, and Qoheryss?
It’s simple
Tyrion wouldn’t be Tyrion
Completely different person
Pretty much! I attempt to explain/describe sort of what that looks like and why it would matter, but this is the overarching answer and why I avoided this WHAT IF for so long.
Tyrion would be a normal person, it would be boring.
What if the tragedy at summerhall never accured
Guywithacamera 127 Or what if the Targaryen’s bought their dragons back?
What if Lyanna did love Robert
What if all the wildfire was used at the battle of blackwater, stannis and davos blew up and somehow Joffery died during the battle.
I think when Tywin find out what his first two were all about, Tyrion would of been pushed to the best son spot for sure hahahah
What if rob took down the freys before the war and forced them to submit to him like he wanted to.
What if young gryf was in the show. How would things play out till now?
What if Rhaegar and Lyanna announced their love for each other instead of running away together?
Emperor Palpatine Robert still would of went mad and asked Rhaegar to fight him in single combat for her but we know that Arthur would of fought for Rhaegar
I'm sure He would actually trash talk Rhaegar to fight for Lyanna's hand not his kingsguards Kind of like when Littlefinger fought Brandon Stark for Cat's hand. Rhaegar would probably lose that battle as he did at the trident. This time though I don't think Robert would kill Rhaegar unless Rhaegar kept fighting.
What if Littlefinger died during his duel for Catelyn's love?
He already made a video about that, what if Brandon killed Littlefinger.
“Your no son of mine”
“No father, I believe I am you, writ small.”
Another wrinkle in this scenario....Tyrion possibly could’ve been named to the King’s Guard along with Jaime, since the Mad King did it out of spite of Tywin
What if Aegon the unlikely hatched dragons at Summerhall?
I've been begging for this for ages!
I think we all felt it when he gave his " I wish I was the monster " lines
In a Jaime video from GoT commentaries, he was supposed to marry Lisa Tully, so being a Kingsguard, Tyrion would be married off to the Tullys lol
Shrimpy honestly that would probably end better.
Tyrion is too young, Jaime was at that time was a teenager.
Great minds think alike; I came to the same conclusion about Cersie( she'd "ride " pole is she found it attractive!😂😂)! Tyrion has a compassionate streak, that his siblings lack, so I think he wouldn't be as arrogant as Tywin or Jaime nor cruel, if he had grown up tall and handsome.
Paula James It has been mentioned that her attraction to Jaime is mostly because he is literally a male version of herself, not just a handsome brother. And she mentions how they have been together since the beginning, there is more of a connection that way. Although I suppose anything is possible especially if he was tall and handsome.
What if Aerys Targaryen married Joanna Lannister and Tywin married Rhaella Targaryen?
Aerys parent headed about a prophecy that the prince that was promised came from their bloodline.
Aerys marriage to his sister was arranged by his parents.
magister343 dance of dragons 2.0
What if the mad king did not kill Rickard and Brandon Stark?
Brandon was the one who went up to the targareyn crazy king.
That would of been good
What if Jon Snow excepted Stannis' offer and became 'Jon Stark'?
Benjamin Brown he did that
DOLAN rakesh No he didn't...
he did ruclips.net/video/ogP6jcXahFU/видео.html
I think you mean: "What if Jon Snow "accepted" Stannis offer and became Jon Stark?" - am I correct?
What if Ramsay didn’t castrate Theon?
Shawn Tan Wai Kit he'd probably be in the north somewhere dicking around
Then he’d still have balls
What if Tyrion married Elia Martell? I thought you would mention it in this video since that proposal was made right after Tyrion's birth by Tywin.
What if Mance Rayder allied with the Night's Watch
I think that is what would have happened if Ned Stark had been sent to the Wall.
What if he bent the knee to stannis
Mo Da We do not kneel
Jack Challenge you'll bend the knee or I'll destroy you
Jack Challenge do you think it's a good Idea like mance joining stannis and jon
Given the timing of when Tyrion was born. If he was still as scholarly and witty as he is in the books ontop of likely being a gold warrior. I think it’s entirely likely him and rheagar would’ve been best friends
Great vid man, tyrion is a badass i really like how much analysis you put into theese vids. Have a what if suggestion em what if theon was roberts ward instead of ned starks? Great vid man
Thanks a lot, Nerd King!
I appreciate it bud. i do what I can.
Awesome idea! I'll write it down my dude
Thanks man your the best game of thrones forever
What if Harren the Black had knelt to Aegon rather than having Harrenhall destroyed by dragonfire?
magister343 there would no Tully warden of riverlands
Umar K Well there could be if Aegon decides to seperate the Riverlands from the Iron Islands.
The Lannisters would have to find some other piece of shit to give as a "reward" to their allies.
I have had similar thoughts about what a normal-size Tyrion would be like. Of course, his confidence would likely be boosted among "other" things, but we know that he would still be a second son until Jaime takes the oath of a kingsguard. Tywin might send his son Tyrion as a ward to produce a marriage alliance with another house. Ned's father Rickard Stark did it for him when he sent Ned to live with Jon Arynn. The Martells might have even taken Tywin up on the offer for Elia Martell, but she was quite a bit older than Tyrion. This timeline wouldn't have wanted to hold an alliance for years in waiting for a boy to be of age to get a child on a woman past her prime birthing years. He could have any other high born woman with his father's blessing.
Take a shot every time he says "little man/guy, tiny and able bodied"
Before joining the Kingsguard, Tywin was in the talks with Hoster Tully to marry of lysa to Jaime, it's possible that Tywin would just insert Tyrion where Jaime was originally
Also... I wonder if "I drink & I know things" would still be his resume opener? 😆
As for the bride, if Joffrey is still a monster and Ned still gets executed, it seems reasonably likely that it is in fact Sansa, consummated and permanent.
I was one of the people who requested this video so thank you for making it! Clicked as soon as I saw it and was not let down. Keep up the great work!
Haha -- I'm glad I could make this go down! :)
Hope you enjoyed immensely, Alex!
what if Robert and Cersei's first born son didn't die?
Teisha Hauritz it's Gendry sure
If Tyrion was acknowledged as the son of the Mad King, would Robert than try and kill him?
Excellent question. I don't think he would be acknowledged, BUT if he was...I'd probably say no, but frankly Tyrion may feel differently about Rhaegar's death if he finds out it's his his-brother.
What if Arya was captured by Meryn Trant?
Tyrion actually was someone who loved doing whatever he was assigned to or any position he was given
He really did, for the most part. Even as sewer master (I forget the title)...never flowed better!
@@TheBattProductions Exactly and he always made the best of the job he was appointed for. No doubt he was very smart and he knew that people won't see him that way just cause he was a dwarf
What if lyanna survives the tower of joy
He already made a video on that.
What if after Roberts rebellion the 7 kingdoms decide to go back to being independent like they once were before aegons conquest? So no more wardens just Kings e.g. king of the north, king of the west, king of the south, king of the east, etc.
What if King Robert knew of Cersei’s children and made Gendry as heir assuming he will be legitimize.
That would be brilliant!
I'm glad you accepted the challenge! It's interesting to attempt What If scenarios based on human emotion from what you've observed/interpreted of the characters' behavior. Science, psychology & philosophy for the win. 😊
Another stellar video, absolutely love coming here at the end of the day after midterms for some excellent GoT content.
Thanks a lot Onion Knight! :)
I hear ya man. Mid-term time was rough for me a few years ago...RUclips also helped! Hope you did well
Wow you did my what if awesome. I’m sure I’m not the only one that suggested it, but it’s still cool.
what if the White Walkers didn't come back
dany easily conquers Westeros. after her death, everything falls back into chaos.
What if Robb killed Jaime Lanister when he captured him?
OR what of Robb Stark took Jaime up on his offer of one to one combat and WON when he captured Jaime.
Saskia Mori killing Jamie probably would of been better he was 16 Jamie would of took his head of his soldiers if they went against and honour of single combat would of demanded his release but I think the northern Lord's would of killed him there
Jaime would destroy Robb in one on one combat unless Grey Wind attacks him (like Jon vs Qhorin Halfhand, which Jon only won thanks to Ghost).
What if the Night King was killed by Jon Snow during the Hardhome battle?
What if Littlefinger was actually killed in that earlier episode when Cercei told her guards to kill Littlefinger? (Remember the conversation about power? Littlefinger was like 'knowledge is power' and Cercei was like 'no, power is power')
What if Ned Stark was killed by Arthur Dayne?
What if the White Walker killed Sam and Gilly beyond the wall?
What if Margaery Tyrell was never born (and Joffrey continued with his marriage to Sansa)?
What if the Night King hadn't found Bran in the wierwood tree beyond the wall?
What if Rickon and Bran swapped places?
What if Jamie and Cercei had just ordered their armies to kill off the faith millitant when they did their staring competition in the streets of King's Landing?
What if the Night King was never created? (What if the Children of the Forrest did not shove that dragonglass piece in that man's chest?)
What if the continent of Essos never existed?
What if Euron Greyjoy was never born? (Mainly TV show based query)
What if Yara had beaten Euron and became the Queen of the Iron Islands first?
What if Ned had bent the knee to Joffrey and not delivered him the letter denouncing him and saying Ned Stark should be King?
What if the Night King was killed beyond the wall in season 7?
Whether or not Tyrion hit the books, he would still have the signature Lannister cunning and intellect on par if not greater than his father. The tragedy of Tyrion and Tywin, and why I hold the Tyrion Targaryen theory in contempt, is the fact that Tywin could never accept Tyrion as his son even though he was the child who was most like him.
Correct. It makes for a far more compelling relationship than the Targaryen theory.
Tyrion Lannister turned into Billy Madison lmfaooo I lost it
What if accidentally Margaery was killed at the purple wedding instead of Joffrey (for example she drinks from Joffrey's cup, because she didn't know about Olenna's plan)
What if Tywin brought Arya with him back to kings landing instead of leaving her with the mountain
Would "threesome" happen if tyrion is normal height?
What if Joffery fought at blackwater?
Dude, please tell me you did re-upload this because I'm 90% sure I had a dream with this video. and only just got home to see the notification.
Hahahaha - Nope!
I've never done this video before!
I AM however thrilled to find out people dream about my videos though.
4:25: Not quite as learned, you mean. Intelligence is native, learning is acquired.
What If: Sansa pushed Joffrey off the bridge
Short answer: she dead. And Tommen is king.
I bet you didn't see this coming; What if Tywin betrothed Cersie to Ned Stark?
Tyrion probably would've been trained to support Jamie after typing was gone
What if Cersei didn't visit witch and she didn't know her prediction?
Would be neat to see how it would of been without him being a Dwarf and still being more of a thinker like his father and he was as a dwarf.
What if the Targaryens always called a Great Council to determine the next king rather than having any customs of inheritance?
Tywin is somewhat striking? Somewhat? That man is gorgeous, Jaime wishes he'd look like that.
Great videos😎
w00t! U did it! Thanks man!
Ya, I figure (excluding dragonbaby potential) that Tyrion is SO hated because Joanna died 'just' to bring a twisted little monster into the world. So in this scenario, even if she dies, its at least to birth more proper Lannister heritage.
Awesome job! Cheers!
What if Ned had decided to leave Sansa and Arya at Winterfell instead of taking them south, yet the war still happened?
What if Jeor Mormont sent Jon to King's Landing instead of Thorne in season one?