Totally agree loved that book.@@atlaspowershrugged what do you think about the descriptions of gladiators during the Roman empire? There's lots of depictions of them and they are pretty common street art....not like super fancy or made for higher nobility ....I just wonder if we actually have reached our limit....for natties....I just wonder if weve been held back by chemicals in our diets and common materials...
@@atlaspowershruggedalso would you be willing to do a video on the steve Reeves shrug? He claimed it widened the shoulders....idk what possibilities lie in it
I follow Dinosaur channels as well, so I glanced at the thumbnail and clicked the video expecting to hear about some new Therapod discovery The absolute whiplash when oddliftman came on
I would say it is largely because of Arthur Jones and Nautilus. The man was a marketing genius and even funded studies to promote his equipment. Since in the 1970, no one had any way of cross checking information, everyone took it as fact and all jumped on the nautilus band wagon. This also lead to the vast increase of exercise related injuries, which is a direct correlation to this trend. You cannot remove body bracing from exercises and expect the body to remain healthy. I would say it wasn't until the late 2000's that the machine only approach was really broken due to the internet. Having been to gyms in the late 90's to early 2000's I can tell you, machine were just what you did if you went to a gym back then. The barbells were almost seen as a niche thing for weirdos.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Reminds me of that era focusing on "things of the future" like tv dinners, nuclear power, and I guess nautilus weight training machines instead of the ole' metal stick+plates.
It’s cool to live in this era where information technology makes it possible to share these once extinct lifts. It goes to show that when you can post a video about old school lift extinction, but also include the story of Crylophosaurus, it’s possible to explain for to do something like a bent press through a video.
It seems like these exercises were still alive and well into the 1950s so maybe it's fair to call the bronze era the silver era and the silver era the gold era. The gold era is the diamond era. As in, diamonds look very valuable and shiny but the easiest way to make big beautiful shiny diamonds is synthetically, and unlike gold or silver, diamonds can be burned down into meaningless CO2. Perhaps then the diamond era has been around far longer than suggested, from the 1960s to the 2010s when the noble natty movement started to find its origins. Then our modern era is the kintsugi era. Since kintsugi is the art of taking a piece of broken pottery and mending it to make it more beautiful than it was before it was broken. We will revitalize the ancient knowledge and add our modern advances in training into the mix to create a new, reformed, and incredible piece of art.
You missed the standardisation of equipment, especially single exercise machines. It ties into your other great points - they're super easy to use and cover a lot of bases. A lot of odd lifts were invented to target areas that are hard to with basic equipment. If you can isolate every muscle with it's own simple to use machine, why bother with complexity? but unknowingly you lose the odd lifts benefits. Also with the explosion of commercial gyms, the people running those businesses have it on easy mode if they just buy all the isolation machines. Love the dinosaur analogy and super cool Antarctic dino!
I think you’re spot on about it being roids. As a person who’s lifted naturally since I was 12 than at 22 I cycled for about a year than tore my shoulder and been natural for the last 7 years. Having first hand experience juicing not only the injury factor, but steroids essentially don’t make you stronger they give you superhuman recovery, volume tolerance, and total change the “pump”. I did my first cycle lifting like a powerlifter and I got way stronger built a lot of muscle but once I started doing just a fuckload of junk volume, supersets, drop sets. I put on like 30 pounds in my last 4 months of being unatural. Steroids just totally change the way you can build mass and really incentives the bullshit work outs modern ifbbs do now. Needles to say now that I’m natural again I’m all about the bent presses again lol. Great stuff bro just thought I’d add my personal experience
Very interesting, I wished I lifted in a place with more old fashioned or different lifts. I have really enjoyed incorporating Jefferson curls (and zerchers)
Can you do a video on your views on the old Bronze era idea of daily exercise and lifting that many of the old timers promoted and even did use themselves?
The importance of tendon and ligament strength makes me wonder what people would be capable of with a foundation of gymnastics or climbing in their childhoods/adolescence to build that up before starting weight lifting.
That used to just be childhood.. we were always climbing trees, everyone was taking martial arts, gymnastics, dance, sports for after school activities, riding our bikes all over the place, and generally engaging in physical play. I'll be 40 next month. Raising kids in a semi rural area- we're in a 3 street neighborhood surrounded by apple orchards. There's enough kids with a small enough community that we're slowly creating that scene here. And objectively, the kids are happier when they go and play than they are on the days they stay in. And, you know. The fitness benefits of childhood activity shouldn't even need explaining.
I think we're going to see soon. I'm seeing all kinds of young people doing really impressive and esoteric stuff in their late teens. I think as more kids come up with a better background, we'll see some pretty impressive things.
Sports in general are a super important foundation for children. I know adults with zero coordination because they didn't do sports as a child. Without general coordination it's difficult to get into athletic/strength training
That said I did plenty of sports (rugby, gymnastics, martial arts) into my mid teens and my joints were never great. It was only after starting weight training I saw improvement in my knee and low back pain
Dinosaur exercises went "extinct simply because of two reasons: 1. People over time understood the "specificity" of strength and that so called "general strength" was more related to bodyweight, explosivity, leverages, and being able to use the stretch reflex without much prior preparation. The promise of so called "dinosaur training" was REAL strength (orked for Brooks Kubik and Steve Justa to fool middle aged men but little else), but then old time lifters werent the ones kicking people's asses in bar fights or even frickin arm wrestling. People aren't blind. 2. People got clearer about what they wanted from their hours of effort. If you ant to impress people in the gym train linear progression and then PL. If you want to be able to fight learn the fundamentals of grappling, blocking and striking and do a basic lifting program that doesnt interfere with skill work. if you want to look big then go bear mode and train like a bodybuilder. If you want to look good with your shirt off train like a BBer/fitness model and get lean enough. if you want to beat people at arm wrestling then TRAIN arm wrestling instead of doing some weird kettlebell stuff. ETc etc etc. Odd lifts need to demonstrate value before people adopt them... Jefferson curls have clear value so some Olers do them. Bent Presses and BB hack squats, not really.
@@normanquednau if you like the lift, have fun and load/progress it safely! No lift is indispensable for general strength.if fighters, wrestlers, law enforcement, strongmen, bouncers, ftball payers saw some "indispensable" value in the lift they would be doing it lol.
@@atlaspowershrugged You don‘t need a mic for that! RUclips has a recommended dB level (Decibels) and because everyone has mixed their audio to that recommendation your videos seems quieter than from other channels. It‘s not hard or time consuming to normalize your audio levels, it takes 30 seconds! Hope you see this comment :)
I was so sad when my kid stopped his dinosaur phase, it was way too short, i loved dinosaura for years haha...hopefully the second one will hold it longer On the note of the video - couldnt arnold and others be blamed for that as well? They made the golds gym and the whole fluff and pump bodybuilding lifestyle mainstream and you there was no place for anything else
I'm dreading the end man. It's so cute. I wouldn't blame Arnold, he kept silver era training in circulation a while longer with the Encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding, which was very good
I find that modern lifting largely ignores the sagittal and transverse planes, as well as iso- and plyometrics. Did ye olde time strongman training cover those well?
I bend steel bars and rip decks of cards - kettlebell juggle - just about all feats of strength from olde time strongman covers the sagital and transverse inherent
thanks for the video. also wanted to thank you for your latest ebook about the old time lifts. makes it very easy with one source of material for my training.
The art in dinotopia is so sick.
Dude, James Gurney is the GOAT
Totally agree loved that book.@@atlaspowershrugged what do you think about the descriptions of gladiators during the Roman empire? There's lots of depictions of them and they are pretty common street art....not like super fancy or made for higher nobility ....I just wonder if we actually have reached our limit....for natties....I just wonder if weve been held back by chemicals in our diets and common materials...
@@atlaspowershruggedalso would you be willing to do a video on the steve Reeves shrug? He claimed it widened the shoulders....idk what possibilities lie in it
We must consider the apparition of the Nautilus-machine. It was the birth of the normal "fitness-gym".
The introduction of nautilus machines and its conseque- you know what, nevermind.
I follow Dinosaur channels as well, so I glanced at the thumbnail and clicked the video expecting to hear about some new Therapod discovery
The absolute whiplash when oddliftman came on
Little bit of clickbait, but I hope you didn't regret it!
I would say it is largely because of Arthur Jones and Nautilus.
The man was a marketing genius and even funded studies to promote his equipment.
Since in the 1970, no one had any way of cross checking information, everyone took it as fact and all jumped on the nautilus band wagon.
This also lead to the vast increase of exercise related injuries, which is a direct correlation to this trend.
You cannot remove body bracing from exercises and expect the body to remain healthy.
I would say it wasn't until the late 2000's that the machine only approach was really broken due to the internet.
Having been to gyms in the late 90's to early 2000's I can tell you, machine were just what you did if you went to a gym back then.
The barbells were almost seen as a niche thing for weirdos.
One of the worst people in the history of fitness.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Reminds me of that era focusing on "things of the future" like tv dinners, nuclear power, and I guess nautilus weight training machines instead of the ole' metal stick+plates.
@@impaledface7694Boomers and Gen Xers really dropped the ball on many things...
The creation of anabolic steroids and it’s consequences…
Have been a disaster for this surrogate activity!
Which seems to be the basis of most of his videos
It’s cool to live in this era where information technology makes it possible to share these once extinct lifts. It goes to show that when you can post a video about old school lift extinction, but also include the story of Crylophosaurus, it’s possible to explain for to do something like a bent press through a video.
Really, the Golden Era was the Bronze Era, and what most call the Golden Era was the Bronze Era, before we just turned to the Mass Era of pure PED.
I disagree,the golden age was called because everyone was obsessed with working out
before roids and etc thinhs all was better
It seems like these exercises were still alive and well into the 1950s so maybe it's fair to call the bronze era the silver era and the silver era the gold era.
The gold era is the diamond era. As in, diamonds look very valuable and shiny but the easiest way to make big beautiful shiny diamonds is synthetically, and unlike gold or silver, diamonds can be burned down into meaningless CO2.
Perhaps then the diamond era has been around far longer than suggested, from the 1960s to the 2010s when the noble natty movement started to find its origins.
Then our modern era is the kintsugi era. Since kintsugi is the art of taking a piece of broken pottery and mending it to make it more beautiful than it was before it was broken. We will revitalize the ancient knowledge and add our modern advances in training into the mix to create a new, reformed, and incredible piece of art.
You missed the standardisation of equipment, especially single exercise machines. It ties into your other great points - they're super easy to use and cover a lot of bases. A lot of odd lifts were invented to target areas that are hard to with basic equipment. If you can isolate every muscle with it's own simple to use machine, why bother with complexity? but unknowingly you lose the odd lifts benefits. Also with the explosion of commercial gyms, the people running those businesses have it on easy mode if they just buy all the isolation machines. Love the dinosaur analogy and super cool Antarctic dino!
Came for the old-school lifts, stayed for the lecture on dinosaurs 🦕
I think you’re spot on about it being roids. As a person who’s lifted naturally since I was 12 than at 22 I cycled for about a year than tore my shoulder and been natural for the last 7 years. Having first hand experience juicing not only the injury factor, but steroids essentially don’t make you stronger they give you superhuman recovery, volume tolerance, and total change the “pump”. I did my first cycle lifting like a powerlifter and I got way stronger built a lot of muscle but once I started doing just a fuckload of junk volume, supersets, drop sets. I put on like 30 pounds in my last 4 months of being unatural. Steroids just totally change the way you can build mass and really incentives the bullshit work outs modern ifbbs do now. Needles to say now that I’m natural again I’m all about the bent presses again lol. Great stuff bro just thought I’d add my personal experience
"Needles to say" 🤣
@@GhostSamaritan ironic typo
Very interesting, I wished I lifted in a place with more old fashioned or different lifts. I have really enjoyed incorporating Jefferson curls (and zerchers)
you can do them whereever you want!
Stayed for the dinosaurs
Can you do a video on your views on the old Bronze era idea of daily exercise and lifting that many of the old timers promoted and even did use themselves?
Echoing this.
I don't know when that changed. Thomas Inch said that, in the 20s, training once a week was most common.
@@BuJammythat’s probably because most people did manual labor and had less access to food. Once a week was what they could do.
That makes sense. @@thebiggestpanda1
I've been thinking about that. Tentative title "Why I don't train like an old time strongman and you probably shouldn't either"
The importance of tendon and ligament strength makes me wonder what people would be capable of with a foundation of gymnastics or climbing in their childhoods/adolescence to build that up before starting weight lifting.
Knew someone like that he got 120kg on bench the first time he ever tried it
That used to just be childhood.. we were always climbing trees, everyone was taking martial arts, gymnastics, dance, sports for after school activities, riding our bikes all over the place, and generally engaging in physical play.
I'll be 40 next month. Raising kids in a semi rural area- we're in a 3 street neighborhood surrounded by apple orchards. There's enough kids with a small enough community that we're slowly creating that scene here. And objectively, the kids are happier when they go and play than they are on the days they stay in.
And, you know. The fitness benefits of childhood activity shouldn't even need explaining.
I think we're going to see soon. I'm seeing all kinds of young people doing really impressive and esoteric stuff in their late teens. I think as more kids come up with a better background, we'll see some pretty impressive things.
Sports in general are a super important foundation for children. I know adults with zero coordination because they didn't do sports as a child. Without general coordination it's difficult to get into athletic/strength training
That said I did plenty of sports (rugby, gymnastics, martial arts) into my mid teens and my joints were never great. It was only after starting weight training I saw improvement in my knee and low back pain
WOOO! GREAT VIDEO! VERY INFORMATIVE! KEEP EM COMING I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
Will do!
Dinosaurs are pretty cool. I've even been getting interested in non-dinosaur reptiles thanks to channels like CHimerasuchus.
That does look pretty cool. Giant long legged crocodile lizards!
Dinosaur exercises went "extinct simply because of two reasons:
1. People over time understood the "specificity" of strength and that so called "general strength" was more related to bodyweight, explosivity, leverages, and being able to use the stretch reflex without much prior preparation. The promise of so called "dinosaur training" was REAL strength (orked for Brooks Kubik and Steve Justa to fool middle aged men but little else), but then old time lifters werent the ones kicking people's asses in bar fights or even frickin arm wrestling. People aren't blind.
2. People got clearer about what they wanted from their hours of effort. If you ant to impress people in the gym train linear progression and then PL. If you want to be able to fight learn the fundamentals of grappling, blocking and striking and do a basic lifting program that doesnt interfere with skill work. if you want to look big then go bear mode and train like a bodybuilder. If you want to look good with your shirt off train like a BBer/fitness model and get lean enough. if you want to beat people at arm wrestling then TRAIN arm wrestling instead of doing some weird kettlebell stuff. ETc etc etc.
Odd lifts need to demonstrate value before people adopt them... Jefferson curls have clear value so some Olers do them. Bent Presses and BB hack squats, not really.
The bent press is one of the coolest lift, hitting mobility and strength. The problem is, people have no mobility.
@@normanquednau if you like the lift, have fun and load/progress it safely! No lift is indispensable for general strength.if fighters, wrestlers, law enforcement, strongmen, bouncers, ftball payers saw some "indispensable" value in the lift they would be doing it lol.
I love the tricep/hammer bar for pullovers. It offers a few different grips.
I can see that feeling good!
Hey man, your sound is too quiet, I always need to crank the volume to the max when watching the video
Thanks, I'll get a mic
@@atlaspowershrugged You don‘t need a mic for that! RUclips has a recommended dB level (Decibels) and because everyone has mixed their audio to that recommendation your videos seems quieter than from other channels.
It‘s not hard or time consuming to normalize your audio levels, it takes 30 seconds!
Hope you see this comment :)
@DavideGalic ok I'll look that up, thanks
Trey the Explainer has amazing dinosaur videos. Highly recommended.
I'll check it out, thanks!
I was so sad when my kid stopped his dinosaur phase, it was way too short, i loved dinosaura for years haha...hopefully the second one will hold it longer
On the note of the video - couldnt arnold and others be blamed for that as well? They made the golds gym and the whole fluff and pump bodybuilding lifestyle mainstream and you there was no place for anything else
I'm dreading the end man. It's so cute.
I wouldn't blame Arnold, he kept silver era training in circulation a while longer with the Encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding, which was very good
Can't wait to be a dad lol
It is awesome, don't let anyone scare you away from it with horror stories.
Awesome video
Glad you liked it. Got a little cameo appearance in today's as well!
You might enjoy faycry 3 blood dragon!
As a matter of fact I have! Awesome soundtrack!
I find that modern lifting largely ignores the sagittal and transverse planes, as well as iso- and plyometrics. Did ye olde time strongman training cover those well?
I bend steel bars and rip decks of cards - kettlebell juggle - just about all feats of strength from olde time strongman covers the sagital and transverse inherent
modern bodybuilding and its training methods helped do them in =(
I don't think it's the exercise methods that did it, if you catch my drift.
Wait, you think it could be 💉
🤔🤫
@@ByronTexas either that or a series of asteroid impacts causing a ton of water to be released from glaciers.
@@atlaspowershrugged The meteor and floods was my other comment before this one
Lol well it wa s steroids and dumbing it down
thanks for the video. also wanted to thank you for your latest ebook about the old time lifts. makes it very easy with one source of material for my training.
Glad you're enjoying it, thank you!