I would also. I'm a hobbiest and inherited a lot of files from previous generations. I've tried to find guidance online and honestly am still confused trying to relate my pile of files to intended purposes. I certainly recognize wood only files, but other than that, I just picked one and use it on my lathe. It "seemed" closest to a picture of a "lathe file." For all I know, I'm ruining parts!
I worked in machine shops during summer vacations while at school. Deburring was my first job. Hated it! I would have laughed if someone told me that almost 4 decades later I'd own a selection of Noga tools, a small tumbler, and enough files to have built a rack for storage. Yea, I would so watch a video about files. Thanks as always for the instruction and exposure.
Ummm 🤔 lol can I bend your Ear ? I am doing some Metal Art and I drilled a out 200 holes into a damaged Harley Speedster Gas Tank. In a 🕸️ Pattern, the holes all have shrapnel hanging from the holes. It's already SOLD to a Local Bar , for Insurance Reasons and dum dums, they may stick a finger in the holes and lose that finger 🤞 lol 😂 . The gas tank has a large 🕸️ opening on 1 side. Can I use sand blasting to do it?
As it happens, I just purchased a very large array of those tools to make that exact video. It's still in the early stages so I'm not sure when it will come out, but stay tuned.
My father had a machine shop from 1969-1994 with 9 employees including by brother. A lot of parts he got in were military related. When the defense budget was cut his business shriveled. He did alright, especially in the 80's earning around $100k a year. In the summer during high school I would get dragged into work at 6am. Luckily for me I had two left hands and no idea how not to press too hard resulting in quite a few scrapped parts. I was demoted to floor sweeper and eventually not asked to come in anymore. I was not meant for skilled labor which hand deburring definitely is.
I had no idea you are a shop teacher. Welcome to second class teacher hood according to the rest of the faculty, that is until they need something made, repaired, or engineered. After that you go back to second class. (No wonder your videos are clear, concise, and to the point.)
I started my journey in engineering in deburr, so many tricks I know! 20 years later running the most expensive machine on the shop floor, a lovely mch630h
Hi. Thanks for another great video. It seems to have provoked a lot of calls for a filing video, which I agree is a good idea. I would like to suggest another video based on a part of yours that was underplayed, namely the Whirly Noga type tools. Like reading glasses, I have probably a dozen of those scattered out around my workshop, but though I've owned and used them for years, I'd rate my proficiency pretty low even though they seem basic. Sometimes I get a great edge and sometimes a more chattery one. I also sometimes end up with scratches on the inside of a bore. I could really use some guidance on the use of these, and even more importantly on the various types. There are tons of them in the catalogs and I have no idea, about the actual selection. I've gone as far as I can buy winging it. Would love to see more on this topic. Thanks.
I would add a caution to anyone using those Shaviv-style swiveling deburring tools. It's easy to put too much leverage on that little deburring bit and break it right at the bend. Now you have an EXTREMELY SHARP piece of equipment. VERY easy to accidentally cut myself... er, yourself. If you're using one, use a LIGHT touch, let the tool do the work. If the tool isn't doing the work, GET A DIFFERENT ONE, don't lean into it to make it cut faster! Hard lesson to learn, hope I saved someone else the stitches.
ILL WATCH A VIDEO ON FILES ! PUSH PULL DRAW ANGEL ect... Best cleaning methods file card, wire brush or synthetic. What direction do you brush? should you star with the corners?
I even go so far as to deburr the piece of stock I’m putting back on the stock rack after rough cutting the workpiece from that stock 👍😎👍….. And when I’m unloading the truck with fresh remnants from Industrial Metal Supply, I clean, deburr, and identify the bars before adding them to the stock storage. Yep, I’m a little OCD with burrs, but it’s always so satisfying every time I pick up stock.
You wouldn't work long if you did that here. In this factory we cut no corners! I'm the only one making big smooth chamfers on fixtures and soft jaws to make them as safe as possible to handle, others think it's a waste of time.
Good shorty about deburring. A subject I'm fine with but see near nothing about is turning between centres, parallelism and the adjustment of the tailstock to get parallel or a small taper, eg. possibly for a mandrel.
I have a pretty recent video about aligning the tailstock to get the taper out, although not one on using it to cut a taper. ruclips.net/video/a-5lGmcvxlc/видео.html
I'm working as an apprentice in a machining shop and most of our parts are deburred with a file or the swivel tool. It usually takes my teacher about a minute to debur a part while it takes me about 10 minutes and sometimes I'll round finished corners by accident. Could you do a video where you go through the process of deburring with a file and maybe give tips on hand placement, pressure applied, etc? BTW thank you for your videos, they've been very helpful beginning machining. Especially your thousandth of an inch video
I could do that. It might take me a bit. You're making me think about my technique and I usually don't, so I'll have to figure out how to put it into words. Tell you what, I'll make up some typical parts and see what I can do.
@@StuartdeHaro Thank you! I would really appreciate it. Your video about files kind of helped me with it. It seems so simple but it's intimidating when if I accidentally round a finished corner or take too much off an edge it could mean scrapping a part
I'm not sure if this would warrant an entire video, but I would also* be interested in any sort of suggestions for materials for the vibratory tumbler. I do have one of those, but usually use it just for polishing soft materials. As such, I have things like Walnut shell for my polishing media. I honestly have not considered that for harder materials. I think I would have tended to look at using my sand blaster in that case. At that, baking soda for soft materials, various aluminum oxide for harder materials. * I left a reply to a comment that I also would like to see
I'll add that to my list. I originally bought it to help polish brass parts that had been silver soldered. I tried these little green plastic pyramids that are sold for them. They have an abrasive imbedded in them, but they didn't do much. I went to walnut shells after that and again, no joy. Then Harbor Freight started selling a bigger version of mine and added the ceramic triangles you saw in the video. Strictly speaking my machine is not meant to use them but I'm a rebel. They're great for deburring but still don't polish off the discoloration from silver soldering. Alas, I must do it by hand!
Have you seen my video on production techniques? ruclips.net/video/9zFZg1LnSZU/видео.html If this doesn't help, let me know and I'll see what I can do for you.
Nice video. Concerning the deburring wheel, do they come in various "grits"? If so, is there one you would recommend for the hobby machinist? I just noticed your lathe tool holder rack. Is it made from rod stock welded to flat bar stock? If so, do you have any issues with one accidentally falling when you reach for one beside it? Sorry for the rapid fire questions.
You can see more of the tool rack in this video: ruclips.net/video/XaTVSRuePEw/видео.html I haven't had any issues with holders falling off. It will probably happen all the time now that I've said that. As for the deburring wheels, they do come in various grits and hardnesses. I don't remember what I bought exactly but it was probably a medium. I try to go middle of the road in instances like this.
@@StuartdeHaro I apologize in advance if I jinxed you. I currently have mine on a shelf above the back of my lathe and I am always looking for ways to improve my storage. After watching your video I thought about the unused bed frame angle iron that I have and may just use that and some all thread to see how I like it. Thanks for the link to the other video and I am going to keep my eye out for a deburring wheel.
I usually use a countersink until it touches all edges, but that results in an oval-shaped c'sink. I think that looks pretty elegant, but if you want it looking even you'll have to deburr with a scraper or swivel deburring tool. Both are a little frustrating to use in that situation, especially for smaller holes. They like to dig in at the low spots and slip out at the apex.
@@ericddoran I just got some put up. They're not the best pics but if you zoom in you can see the surface has a slightly scrubbed look to it. The edges are still relatively crisp, but the burrs are all gone. That was after 10 minutes in the tumbler. Material was Aluminium.
Nice idea. I'll look around for an old trisquare file to sacrifice. I could make one from scratch too I suppose. I could use a small one at home. What do you think? One, the other, both?
@@StuartdeHaro The file would be easy and simple, I think I will do the same. I do use dead files (ones that can't be sharpened anymore) for wood scrapers and such. I think I'm going to have a date with the grinder tonight 😎
I have some triangular scrapers of my grandfathers that he made out of taps (3 flute) in the 1920’s (you can still see a little of the flutes in each of the 3 surfaces.). He put a nice black wood handle with ferrule on each one. They taper to a point. I still use them today. Sharp as new. No heat treatment necessary. If you have a stationary disc and or belt sander or grinder you could start right now. Good use of a dull tap.
I would love to see a video about files
I would also. I'm a hobbiest and inherited a lot of files from previous generations. I've tried to find guidance online and honestly am still confused trying to relate my pile of files to intended purposes. I certainly recognize wood only files, but other than that, I just picked one and use it on my lathe. It "seemed" closest to a picture of a "lathe file." For all I know, I'm ruining parts!
I'll pile on. File that video under files.
You can add my vote too...
Me too
Same
Very helpful. Appreciate the mindset of putting yourself in the clients shoes, very insightful.
I worked in machine shops during summer vacations while at school. Deburring was my first job. Hated it! I would have laughed if someone told me that almost 4 decades later I'd own a selection of Noga tools, a small tumbler, and enough files to have built a rack for storage. Yea, I would so watch a video about files. Thanks as always for the instruction and exposure.
Ummm 🤔 lol can I bend your Ear ? I am doing some Metal Art and I drilled a out 200 holes into a damaged Harley Speedster Gas Tank. In a 🕸️ Pattern, the holes all have shrapnel hanging from the holes. It's already SOLD to a Local Bar , for Insurance Reasons and dum dums, they may stick a finger in the holes and lose that finger 🤞 lol 😂 . The gas tank has a large 🕸️ opening on 1 side. Can I use sand blasting to do it?
A 5 star video. I've never seen an explanation on how to choose swivel blades for different materials.
As it happens, I just purchased a very large array of those tools to make that exact video. It's still in the early stages so I'm not sure when it will come out, but stay tuned.
My father had a machine shop from 1969-1994 with 9 employees including by brother. A lot of parts he got in were military related. When the defense budget was cut his business shriveled. He did alright, especially in the 80's earning around $100k a year. In the summer during high school I would get dragged into work at 6am. Luckily for me I had two left hands and no idea how not to press too hard resulting in quite a few scrapped parts. I was demoted to floor sweeper and eventually not asked to come in anymore. I was not meant for skilled labor which hand deburring definitely is.
Excellent overview. Thanks
I had no idea you are a shop teacher. Welcome to second class teacher hood according to the rest of the faculty, that is until they need something made, repaired, or engineered. After that you go back to second class. (No wonder your videos are clear, concise, and to the point.)
You aren't kidding. They love you when they need something.
Yes please, a filing video would be good. Thanks for the videos!
Highly appreciated your simple concise description. Even my 6yo son said oh now i understand what your blue tool (noga deburring tool) does.
I started my journey in engineering in deburr, so many tricks I know!
20 years later running the most expensive machine on the shop floor, a lovely mch630h
Buurrr it’s cold in here 🥶
That's some quality wordplay. 👌
Thank you for the info
It’s my favorite process as I get to admire the finished part. 👍👍😎👍👍
Great info!
Yes, File video!
Hi. Thanks for another great video. It seems to have provoked a lot of calls for a filing video, which I agree is a good idea. I would like to suggest another video based on a part of yours that was underplayed, namely the Whirly Noga type tools. Like reading glasses, I have probably a dozen of those scattered out around my workshop, but though I've owned and used them for years, I'd rate my proficiency pretty low even though they seem basic. Sometimes I get a great edge and sometimes a more chattery one. I also sometimes end up with scratches on the inside of a bore. I could really use some guidance on the use of these, and even more importantly on the various types. There are tons of them in the catalogs and I have no idea, about the actual selection. I've gone as far as I can buy winging it. Would love to see more on this topic. Thanks.
Fireball Tools did an interesting video to test the backwards filing effects on parts, material removal and file sharpness.
Yup. I saw that. Pretty cool stuff.
I would add a caution to anyone using those Shaviv-style swiveling deburring tools. It's easy to put too much leverage on that little deburring bit and break it right at the bend. Now you have an EXTREMELY SHARP piece of equipment. VERY easy to accidentally cut myself... er, yourself.
If you're using one, use a LIGHT touch, let the tool do the work. If the tool isn't doing the work, GET A DIFFERENT ONE, don't lean into it to make it cut faster! Hard lesson to learn, hope I saved someone else the stitches.
"… and cleaning up when you're done."
Huh? I don't get it.
Anyway, an overview of files and filing would be great.
ILL WATCH A VIDEO ON FILES ! PUSH PULL DRAW ANGEL ect... Best cleaning methods file card, wire brush or synthetic. What direction do you brush? should you star with the corners?
I would totally watch a video about files... lol
I even go so far as to deburr the piece of stock I’m putting back on the stock rack after rough cutting the workpiece from that stock 👍😎👍….. And when I’m unloading the truck with fresh remnants from Industrial Metal Supply, I clean, deburr, and identify the bars before adding them to the stock storage. Yep, I’m a little OCD with burrs, but it’s always so satisfying every time I pick up stock.
You wouldn't work long if you did that here. In this factory we cut no corners! I'm the only one making big smooth chamfers on fixtures and soft jaws to make them as safe as possible to handle, others think it's a waste of time.
Good shorty about deburring.
A subject I'm fine with but see near nothing about is turning between centres, parallelism and the adjustment of the tailstock to get parallel or a small taper, eg. possibly for a mandrel.
I have a pretty recent video about aligning the tailstock to get the taper out, although not one on using it to cut a taper.
ruclips.net/video/a-5lGmcvxlc/видео.html
Ok, though turning a mandrel to use for tool and cutter or precision turning is useful.
How about precision small hole measurement...
@@captcarlos I did gage pins a few years ago. I've never shown the small hole gages though.
I vote for a file video as well Stuart.
I'm working as an apprentice in a machining shop and most of our parts are deburred with a file or the swivel tool. It usually takes my teacher about a minute to debur a part while it takes me about 10 minutes and sometimes I'll round finished corners by accident. Could you do a video where you go through the process of deburring with a file and maybe give tips on hand placement, pressure applied, etc?
BTW thank you for your videos, they've been very helpful beginning machining. Especially your thousandth of an inch video
I could do that. It might take me a bit. You're making me think about my technique and I usually don't, so I'll have to figure out how to put it into words. Tell you what, I'll make up some typical parts and see what I can do.
@@StuartdeHaro Thank you! I would really appreciate it. Your video about files kind of helped me with it. It seems so simple but it's intimidating when if I accidentally round a finished corner or take too much off an edge it could mean scrapping a part
I'm not sure if this would warrant an entire video, but I would also* be interested in any sort of suggestions for materials for the vibratory tumbler. I do have one of those, but usually use it just for polishing soft materials. As such, I have things like Walnut shell for my polishing media. I honestly have not considered that for harder materials. I think I would have tended to look at using my sand blaster in that case. At that, baking soda for soft materials, various aluminum oxide for harder materials.
* I left a reply to a comment that I also would like to see
No play sand for this...silicosis does not sound fun.
I'll add that to my list. I originally bought it to help polish brass parts that had been silver soldered. I tried these little green plastic pyramids that are sold for them. They have an abrasive imbedded in them, but they didn't do much. I went to walnut shells after that and again, no joy. Then Harbor Freight started selling a bigger version of mine and added the ceramic triangles you saw in the video. Strictly speaking my machine is not meant to use them but I'm a rebel. They're great for deburring but still don't polish off the discoloration from silver soldering. Alas, I must do it by hand!
I need a vid on how to get my production time up!!! My work places wants at least 75% and im roughyl at 65%-70% any tips and tricks?
Have you seen my video on production techniques?
ruclips.net/video/9zFZg1LnSZU/видео.html
If this doesn't help, let me know and I'll see what I can do for you.
Where can I find industrial unit for the Tumblers. I'm just n Hemet California, and I'm not mobile.
Look for "vibratory tumbler" and that should get you started.
Nice video. Concerning the deburring wheel, do they come in various "grits"? If so, is there one you would recommend for the hobby machinist?
I just noticed your lathe tool holder rack. Is it made from rod stock welded to flat bar stock? If so, do you have any issues with one accidentally falling when you reach for one beside it?
Sorry for the rapid fire questions.
You can see more of the tool rack in this video:
ruclips.net/video/XaTVSRuePEw/видео.html
I haven't had any issues with holders falling off. It will probably happen all the time now that I've said that. As for the deburring wheels, they do come in various grits and hardnesses. I don't remember what I bought exactly but it was probably a medium. I try to go middle of the road in instances like this.
@@StuartdeHaro I apologize in advance if I jinxed you. I currently have mine on a shelf above the back of my lathe and I am always looking for ways to improve my storage. After watching your video I thought about the unused bed frame angle iron that I have and may just use that and some all thread to see how I like it.
Thanks for the link to the other video and I am going to keep my eye out for a deburring wheel.
@@robertoswalt319 Bed frames are made of some evil stuff. Prepare to destroy some drills.
Any advice on deburring perpendicular holes through a shaft or tube and keeping the chamfer looking even ?
I usually use a countersink until it touches all edges, but that results in an oval-shaped c'sink. I think that looks pretty elegant, but if you want it looking even you'll have to deburr with a scraper or swivel deburring tool. Both are a little frustrating to use in that situation, especially for smaller holes. They like to dig in at the low spots and slip out at the apex.
@@StuartdeHaro Thank You
Great content....might want to check out fireball tool channel as he just did a whole test on the push and pull of files.
I have seen it. Interesting stuff.
What's the part look like after the vibrating thing!? I've never seen one of those before.
I'll post a picture of something I tumbled over on my Instagram page. Look for me over there @stuartdeharo
Awesome, thanks!
@@ericddoran I just got some put up. They're not the best pics but if you zoom in you can see the surface has a slightly scrubbed look to it. The edges are still relatively crisp, but the burrs are all gone. That was after 10 minutes in the tumbler. Material was Aluminium.
So QA doesn’t reject your part.
Files? Sure
How about a shop made triangular scraper vid with heat treating.
Cheers
Nice idea. I'll look around for an old trisquare file to sacrifice. I could make one from scratch too I suppose. I could use a small one at home. What do you think? One, the other, both?
@@StuartdeHaro
The file would be easy and simple, I think I will do the same. I do use dead files (ones that can't be sharpened anymore) for wood scrapers and such.
I think I'm going to have a date with the grinder tonight 😎
@@rickpalechuk4411 post a pic to your Instagram so I can see how it turns out.
@@StuartdeHaro will do
I have some triangular scrapers of my grandfathers that he made out of taps (3 flute) in the 1920’s (you can still see a little of the flutes in each of the 3 surfaces.). He put a nice black wood handle with ferrule on each one. They taper to a point. I still use them today. Sharp as new. No heat treatment necessary. If you have a stationary disc and or belt sander or grinder you could start right now. Good use of a dull tap.