A WARHAMMER Killer? Conquest Can’t Be Overlooked!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This week I ditch Warhammer for a very exciting alternative! Conquest is something that has been coming up more and more lately, and I happened to find a pretty good deal on a resin model for this game. I also have no actual need for it since I decided on buying into a different faction, so I thought I'd save this model and ship it off to Goobertown for his new Dwarf army.
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That paint job is awesome! I'm still gluing my dweghom, and there are are already painting my army ;-) I'm really pumped about conquest, those demo games were a lot of fun!
What's your thoughts on a paint "medium" video ? Putting your special skill set to use explaining what they are and what properties they add to the paint and finish. With the ultimate question being "Do we really even need to use them ?" Or is water the best all around additive.
Thanks for all your amazing content!!
Rematch at Adepticon 2023 :)
@@jc7997aj And throw in something different like a cheap acrylic pouring medium to see if it does the job just as well
The lore of conquest is amazing and the fact the players and help vote on the decisions to update lore is brilliant 😀😀
We definitely need more games trying to fit the same niche as Warhammer to motivate gw to use healthier business practices
"healthier business practices"? GW makes billions of dollars in profits. You don't understand how capitalism works do you?
I suspect he does, more successful games in the same market would encourage GW to be more customer friendly as that would help retain their margins. In theory anyway.
@@MiniatureMasterClass short term yes but a healthy business also needs to be good for the customers to be sustainable
@@s.scottstaten1852 also by lowering prices and changing certain components of their business model would make it more likely for people to become involved and so even though they charge less they're moving dramatically more products and turning a better profit
@@MiniatureMasterClass I think you mean millions, they aren't anywhere near big enough to make billions.
Been playing Conquest for a couple of months. I really like how you bring reinforcements in and the command stack. Took a little bit to get used to rolling low, but it's lots of fun.
I really like the reinforcement part, it feels like there’s something new and exciting for each turn! Those low rolls are super tough to get used to, i do kinda wish it wasn’t like that, but I get how they wanted to stand out.
is it weird to get a game where you spend half of it 20% down though through the randomness of adding models to the table only on a dice roll?
@@hawkthetraveler6344 Never really thought of it that way. I like the tension and opportunity it presents turn to turn. I was playing my buddy a couple weeks ago, he was Wadruhn. I knew I had to get planted on objectives before he brought his Apex Predators on! He had 2 on his list just waiting off the table. I was also kinda holding back a couple of stands of Force Grown drones to tie one up when it came into the game, I play Spires mostly. I play a couple different games and this one just feels different enough at the moment to take a majority of my focus.
Pretty excited to see Conquest on the rise, it had a rough start but it's starting to fire on all cylinders now.
Yeah they are really getting it going now! The quality has really gone up and they are listening to their community, very refreshing game!
Locally we have went from no one playing to 15 person tournament. Definitely taken off in Michigan.
While I don't think any game will be the "Warhammer Killer", these minis look really cool!
Maybe not like a full takedown and replacement, but the game is pretty fun and I do know Warhammer players who have 100% switched over. Either way, it’s worth checking out and adding to your game collection. I’m certainly not stopping Warhammer stuff, but this has captured me like other games haven’t!
This game will not be a Warhammer killer since GW did that eight years ago.
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Dweghom has gotta be one of my favorite fantasy model lines
I almost went for that army but Brent beat me to it lol. I am really digging the Old Dominion stuff though!
I love Conquest, happy to see it getting more coverage.
Not a Warhammer killer. It does its own thing just fine but they feel like very different games. Also that dwarf lord guy has a plastic version according to their store, so they're not just limited to resin minis. And when they are, I assume it's better quality than GW's cruddy resin.
While it's got some very high quality minis, their scale is awkward. You can't use them as Warhammer proxies and you can't mix them with DnD-purpose GW + Frostgrave etc minis for it. It's a pity really, some of these would make for quality player avatars.
Another thing that stands out to me is that on the site you don't get to see their sprues. Their site is also pretty sluggish and there's no GBP currency version available.
I'd definitely say that the resin is better than most of the FW models I've gotten. Really smooth and the details are good. Still, I'm glad they are switching to plastic for some of them because it's just easier to work with. The scale is weird to get used to, but I ended up with a ton of extra bits off of the sprues and the more true scale nature of these models makes it seem like I could easily put some of the weapons and arms onto an AOS model and it wouldn't look out of place.
I didn't even think about the sprues on the website, that would be a nice addition to see in the future. The company is still young, but I think they are really going places, and small upgrades like that, as well as a faster site, more currencies, etc., are probably things we will eventually see.
Most of the Conquest minis are in plastic and they're switching all of them to plastic
Yeah, I disliked the scale choice, it puts people off trying the game with proxies and limits players to one manufacturer. So basically the worst aspects of GWs business strategy.
You don't need to repaint metallic areas after a matte varnish - just apply a gloss or satin varnish over to bring back the shine - varnish only changes finish, not pigmentation
That's true, but I prefer to layer a brighter metallic over it as a highlight to make up for it, and even still, you would have to brush on the varnish.
Im actually starting to love rank and file games. Just got into ASOIAF and it is one of the funnest games Ive played. Ill have to look into Conquest more too
I've yet to play that game, it's definitely on my list though, I've heard too many good things about it!
I've looked at using the Freemen for chaos marauders seeing as ASoIaF are both 28mm but I might even start an army for ASoIaF as well.
I keep hearing great things about this game. I love this dwarf. The detail is amazing.
I think their prices are too high. Make me feel GW is not that expensive.
The prices aren't that different from GW, but I think that's just where things are at for premium polystyrene models these days. Even Wizkids is charging a premium for their Frameworks kits that compete in the same space. I don't know if that will ever change unless GW changes, and we know that won't happen any time soon, unfortunately.
We're living in different times. With the price of manufacture and shipping going up exponentially, the gap between geedub and other companies' products has definetly narrowed. When you factor in the wide availability of geedub stuff at discount retailers, a large variety of bundle products like battleboxes and launch sets and the saturation of the secondary market, it's really becoming hard to argue that geting into a geedub game is so outragously expensive compared to competitors.
Even Mantic Games, who essentially built their entire market presence on being 'budget Warhammers', nowadays isn't that far off in prices per roughly equivalent model or book. It's the same with all tabletop stuff to be honest, even worse if you live somewhere in Europe where the current currency exchange rates are not favorable. Where I live, Star Wars Legion Core Sets are now going for almost twice the price they were released at with no changes in the contents. Players are now asked to fork out almost 200 dollars for a highly produced boardgame like the new Descent or Twilight Imperium or Eclipse or whatever, when ten or even five years ago, an equivalent game would have been around eighty bucks.
Meanwhile, geedub prices are staying mostly the same, with infrequent and usually small adjustments of a quid or two on a box every couple years. This all combines into a situation where, after you factor in readily available retailer discounts, 60$ MSRP for a squad of Stormcast or Space Marines, or 200$ for a big battlebox no longer sounds like such a hard ask as it did in, say, 2019.
They look too high until you calculate how much you need for an army. For First Blood (the skirmish version) an army box gets you a full army and decent force for the rank and file version. A full army for the rank and file version would cost around 300-400. Now calculate that for GW :)
Sadly that is just wishful thinking. I have a friend trying to pull me into Conquest, Ive done the math. A lot of very meticulous math. The only way youre getting a full 2000pt conquest army for 300-400 bucks is if you just copy and paste the cheap Spires/100K models from the core box three or four times, and that wont really make for an interesting and ebjoyable game. Besides, you can do the same thing by buying two halves of a launch set, like Dominion Stormcasts or Indomitus Marines or whatever, which would probably run you even cheaper overall.
When you factor in geedubs bundle sets (which are a lot more varied and generous than conquests, outside of the 2p starter), retailer discounts (which are not available for conquest in many places in the world) and the secondary market (which is pretty much non existent for conquest outside of people splitting the starter), the numbers become quite comparable. Theres give either way of course, you can build a janky 250 bucks 40k or Sigmar army and you can make an insanely expensive conquest army, but on the whole, the two product lines roughly meet in the middle.
The only significant saving you get with Conquest is the rules, since you still need to pay geedub for codexes and such. But even there, you have room to manouever - they strted offering core rules for a lot of their games for free, you can get the codex unlock codes very cheap from people that don't use the apps, there's a lot of books on the secondary market etc. In their comparisons, people often omit the fact that this isn't just about counting up full MSRP for all the stuff. You have a lot of options to get bargains, deals, discounts and workarounds with geedub stuff. Not so for Conquest. Where I live (central Europe), Para Bellum stuff is only available at full MSRP at a grand total of two different retailers.
The First Blood argument is a bit disengenous because.at that point, you are comparing a skirmish variant to a full battle game. If you put First Blood next to Kill Team or Warcry, the comparison becomes a lot less favorable. The new First Blood starter set is roughly the price of a Warcry/Kill Team big box (again, before discounts, you can find great deals for geedub stuff but not as much for Para Bellum sets) and while it comes with more models, I'm not sure it's still gonna be enough for a full game while the geedub offering is still better quality, comes with a shedload of terrain, loads of additional accessories and enough miniatures for a full play experience.
Conquest is a cool game with cool mechanics and an interesting product line. But let's be real, it's not significantly cheaper to play a full game than geedub's offerings and the models, while better than their initial releases, are still several years behind the manufacturing, design and casting quality of geedub, to which literally nothing else in the market can compare.
It’s good to see you inspiring us to different games. Over the years the hobby has become less about the game as GW manipulated all of their games to just sell more models so even if Conquest don’t become a GW killer, I’m going to love working with 38mm.
It’s hard to fit other games into a GW centric market, this one is well worth it!
Glad to see this great game get some exposure from wonderful content creators. Thank you
This game deserves more attention for sure
I bounced off the models when I noticed the scale. They really only work with each other. Typical wargaming terrain looks small with them too.
@Nix91 Yeah, I agree. It's a shame too since a bunch of Conquest's models have unique and appealing designs.
Rules wise; the activation order is a neat twist. Different than SW: Legion or Bolt Action. To be fair, Legion has a somewhat bespoke scale too. But, at least it's only competing with itself for a Star Wars wargame.
Yes, the size is the only one issue I'd still have no Conquest miniature - but they look so awesome on the tabletop!
If you put the old Warhammer Fantasy and 40K models next to each other, they are a completely different scale so your point is kinda moot.
@Nix91 I understand your point.
But dead end sounds bit too overestimated.
That lines like conquest lead nowhere?
You are less likely to use some of them in other games, but they are still their own thing.
Plus lot of models (largely from the W’adrhun and the Spires) are pretty usable in heroic. Especially in rank and flank games.
@@anakon It's almost like the industry as a whole has moved forward together, producing miniatures and accompanying terrain to match a narrow band of scale. 28 - 32 mm true scale or heroic. With SW Legion being the only real outlier, yet still fits 40k scale terrain.
It's the same reason I don't care to get into Titanicus or Epic: I'd rather not have to purchase an entire new set of terrain to play one game system with.
3rd party miniatures are also easier to purchase. Easier to test out a game system with models you already have. There's a reason most of the Conquest models went on discontinued sale a few months from when they released. Most rank and file folks are playing Game of Thrones, 9th Edition, or Kings of War.
One of FLGSs around here went heavy on Conquest. I was mildly interested until I saw the scale. After playing WHF during 8th ed, I just can't do a rank and flank in anything larger than 15mm. The scale is also too big to use alongside other models in other games.
thans for the scoop I wouldn't have thought it would be that big of a deal. I just assumed it was so GW couldn't claim they were trying to steal their business, or to learn from GW business practices by using trademarked race names and a different scale from the start so that mantic or other basement model companies that don't really focus on rules couldn't sell to their customers? Just speculating.
This was awesome. The model looks amazing. Thanks for introducing this game. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for shining the light on alternate good games.
Love seeing more and more Conquest stuff! I have a few warhammer models but this game is what really got me hooked into the idea of wargaming (i have yet to actually play). Cool lore. Very dedicated to the growing fan base. 10/10 would recommend
AOS has a healthy meta right now, way better than the previous two editions. So I highly doubt this will cause any market shifts.
AOS is in a good place right now, and I am really into building armies. Conquest is just coming to a place where I see more and more people leaving Warhammer for it, and the communities are building. There's still room for both games to exist, of course, I just think it's worth mentioning that there is something out there that is actually doing really well despite Warhammer. They are just doing cool things and I am really liking the new models :)
I think the problem here is that AOS and Conquest are actually pretty different games... Conquest really is appealing to those WFB players (Olde Worlde?) and not really trying to take the spot of AOS...
There is some debate about the First Blood Skirmish game vs AOS... but scale of # of models is vastly different.
The other big difference which can't be overlooked is Conquest is NOT an "I-go-with-everything-then-you-go" with a bit of an turn initiative tweak... it's full alternating activation and honestly, that's a way bigger selling point for me than the GW standard. So I think they are really very different games and you could easily play AOS and Conquest (assuming you want that collection!)... lol
Nice work. You are 100% right you need to focus on the shadows also! Thank you sir!!
Conquest looks great - I have an Old Dominion army I need to...open the boxes. I kinda wish they weren't a larger scale, but meh it's not a show-stopper. Great video!
Thanks! Yeah I’m really liking the old dominion stuff, I got the starter built but I’ve yet to open any other models. It may be a while before I get to painting, but I’m feeling pretty motivated for now!
just curious, why do you wish they weren't larger scale? Because you can't use them as proxies in GW games, or because they don't fit terrain or other RPG minis?
bonus points for that Bloodywood t-shirt. straight fire!
They are soo good, one of my new favorites!
Bloodywood, nice. I am going to see them in a few weeks.
I'm jealous! I'm hoping to see them this year, but the closest they are coming for me is Aftershock in California, and they play first...out of 4 days.
Ever since I played my first game of Xwing, I realized that alternating turn games like warhammer were a thing of the past.
Activation like Conquest using cards for units, the pilot skill like Xwing, or the stacked actions from Armada FAR and away a more engaging game to play.
Rather than two roughly equal armies taking turns to fully hammer each other back and forth through 3 phase turns decimating both sides, games that allow for customizable activations or actions let tactics be the center of the gameplay rather than dice.
The sooner we as wargamers move away from the GW standard and into this new paradigm of gameplay the better.
I finally bought a copy of x wing, still haven’t played it lol, but I liked the way you activate in that game. Someday I’ll jump into that too :)
@@eBayMiniatureRescues It has a really nice mix of easy to play core mechanics, and a deep card based customization that lets you play in many different ways.
thats what I want from a game.
The models are.... fine.
I wish they were not so locked into their IP so they could explore the game a bit more.
but that is what 3D printers are for.
Try Warcry and Killteam, super systems with alternate activations. Also AoS has a reaction system, that kinda helps with the alternating turns. And in AoS the close combat is always alternating.
I'd love to see you paint the Ice Jotnar next.
That would be fun
Fun fact, Parabellum just remade this very model in plastic.
We need more brand competition!
Sweet paintjob casey! The game looks super fun too
I wish the photos on the Conquest website were better. There isnt a store that carries them within 5hours of me so its hard to tell what Im ordering from their pictures
I agree. They really need to up their game on the store. I found it fine to navigate, but I wish the pictures of the models could be magnified to see them closer, and they really need to include pictures of their sprues so you know what extras come with each box. They do a pretty good job at listening to their community and have made changes in the past, you should see what their old boxes looked like, you didn't even know what you were buying, but now they present it more like we are used to, so there's hope that they will continue to upgrade and make things like this a non-issue!
Awesomly appreciate your t-shirt!
that is a great model! love the purple glaze on the beard, I have a Fyre slayers 'start collecting' box somewhere. and now I have a new project! cheers man. love your work
Much appreciated! I also have a ton of Fyreslayers I need to get to. Good luck on those dwarves!!
Hey Casey I challenge you to do a model without using Tamiya panel liner. You got this
Hahah, I know I know, but it’s just so good!!
Me and my friends have started playing this game as a club, we have club miniatures. I love this game more then Warhammer now.
I've only played a little, but it was immensely satisfying! One of my local clubs has a Conquest night I've been meaning to attend...I'd like to play more lol
@@eBayMiniatureRescues It is a fun game, the rules are better then warhammer let me tell you.
"Warhammer killer" is just clickbait. Clickbait titles gonna clickbait. The funny part is that when wargaming Tubers post videos about systems other than GW, their views tank, so they can say they want to cover other games all day long, but will always return to Warhammer. Saying anything else is just naive and disingenuous.
Miniature oriented creators need to add Warhammer in any title…
@@buchsg Exactly. Without it they get no views which is the ONLY thing they care about other than getting more Patreon subscriptions.
Nice job! Now can we see it shrunk down to warmaster scale?
Eventually, I want to shrink this down and put it in my pocket, the trick will be making tiny cards to go with each unit :)
The state of the Goobertown mug made me smile.
Dweghom never skip beard-day.
And that's after I've cleaned it many times lol, that thing gets caked in paint! lol can't skip bear day, no sir.
Nice Bloodywood shirt! You've got good tastes!
I’m really digging that band right now :)
Such a great game. I love that you roll low. It makes the reading the stats so much easier. Since the higher the stat, the more of the d6 it catches.
It makes sense, it still throws me off though lol
Awesome paint job and great video! The 38 mm scale deters me of getting into Conquest though. I like to get multiple uses out of my minis (like using parts of my gitz army in d&d and so on) and the difference in size locks them into being only usable for one specific game. Kinda sad because i really dig some of the sculpts and heard mostly good things about the game.
I just see that massive glob or black panel liner ready to fall onto the model at the bottom of the plastic stem and hold my breath till the end
Just wanted to keep you on edge lol. I noticed it during editing, lucky it didn't end up falling off!
Ah, a bloodywood Shirt. I see you are a man of culture.
Love them! I keep trying to get their other shirts but they sell out so quick.
That Bloodywood album was my most listened to album for all of 2022. It's so freaking awesome.
Also, great rescue as usual :)
fantastic vid! just a heads up, anyone into rock or metal check out the band on his shirt, cracking band!
AT-43 ... it pops up where you least expect it. Wish it would be revived though.
Game looks fun!! Killer paint job! Goobs will be pleased!
Old Dominion is by far my favourite fantasy faction. Love Conquest. Quick and fun system.
Not keen on 38mm, puts it at a scale where its not useful for anything else sure too the scale difference.
Fair point, 38mm is not exactly compatible with anything else. Still, I got a ton of leftover bits from the stuff I've been working on and the scale isn't so far off that I wouldn't use the bits for conversions on a Warhammer model. The arms, heads, and weapons, especially, are close enough to still be useful!
Really love to watch a video if you can with the TRUDVANG LEGENDS tabletop game,the miniatures i'm sure will fall you in love !
And also there is NO RUclips already made too with Trudvang,you will be the first to paint..I saw some on Ebay nice prices.
who makes that awesome, sharp detail, inking brush used at 8:22 ?
Tamiya Panel Liner has that brush built right into the cap of the bottle! Very convenient!
On the original paintjob, I kept thinking the bit of mail on his beard was a really, really weird face... because it was painted flesh color for some unholy reason. And also his face just entirely blended in with his armor.
When I first saw this model that's exactly what I thought, turns out he has a real face!
i'm just now switching over from warhammer to star wars legion. why? alternating activations! :P
Legion has a really nice activation system IMO. Good mix of randomness and tactics.
If I buy the 2 player set can I play forever without buying anything else?
If I bought a 2 player set and a 1 player set for each Faction, how big of an army would that be?
If I bought a 2 player set, in 5 years or less, would I need to buy new armies just to be able to play? Similar to magic the gathering?
What do I need to buy to play Argument of kings and First blood?
I've never played any game like this and don't know anyone who does but I'm really wanting to get into this. Thank you for any help.
If you buy a 2 player set then you have everything you need to play, forever. The rules are free online so you can access the most recent book as well as the skirmish game First Blood, and the models are already compatible with that, it's just a skirmish variation on the main game.
You don't need to buy anything else for either unless you want to add to the size of your army. Even in 5 years, everything should still work, even if there is an update to an army or unit, since the rules are free, so are the updates.
Miniature games in general aren't like MTG, so a new set isn't required every few months or even years. I've been in and out of miniature games for more than 20 years and I can still use the first minis I ever bought if I want! That being said, there's always a meta, much like Magic, but that only really matters if you want to play super competitively.
Conquest is super fun, and the people who make it are really awesome folks. If you've never played a game like this then you are definitely starting on a great foot!
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@@eBayMiniatureRescues Amazing!! Thank you so much for the info. I’m really excited about the game. It looks fantastic and everything I’ve read or heard about the company, is world class.
The Rune lord I think it is for them is brilliant to paint aswell. Bigger models is such a nice change from GW stuff
They have some excellent centerpiece models, and yeah that bigger scale is pretty nice change of pace!
That's a really sweet Slayer King :)
I'm myself pretty set in 28mm, so most of the Conquest models I'm interested in would be adapted for a role in that scale, most likely as statues or something otherwise larger than life.
Statues would work, but you might be surprised how closely things match up even in 28mm. Conquest seems to be more 38mm true scale, so the heads and arms are a little bit smaller, unlike Warhammer where things are heroic scale so the arms and heads are beefy.
I too have come across Conquest.
Love the way it plays. Haven't played a game but have watched many skirmish videos here on RUclips.
I'm a huge Spire fan. That's my faction of choise.
9:08 does is though? Wouldn't different materials have different finishes in real live as well?
Yes, different materials have different finishes. But varnishing them to all be the same puts the control back in the brush to differentiate those materials, so cloth can look like cloth and metal can look like metal. It’s more because the different paints and washes all have wildly different finishes that don’t look very good together, so getting rid those and starting from the same place is really the goal.
I wish parabellum would change it so that you roll high, I really do like their minis and I love the size.
That has to be my biggest issue with the whole game, it throws me every single time! Other than that, I dig it.
I don't mind roll low as long as its roll low for EVERYTHING. Seems like they still have some rolls that you want hight.
What is that liner you were using in this video?
Tamiya Panel Liner, great stuff!
I got myself both Dweghom Founder's Exclusive dioramas and they are imho between the best miniatures I got... and I got quite a few over the years.
I love conquest. I’ve just about built my City States army. They just need painting.
I've begun playing Age of Fantasy from One Page Rules, but I'm always excited for more new options!
What is that shade brush lid he's using?
It's Tamiya Panel Liner, really good stuff right out of the bottle, and you get a brush attached to the lid :)
My biggest issue with any new game system is the cost not just in $$$ but also time and how much use I'm realistically going to use them, I don't know anyone that plays conquest regularly so I'll probably never start but the models do look nice tbh.
That’s certainly a consideration when getting into a new game. Where I am there happens to be a pretty big community for conquest, but until it really goes wide I’m sure it’s gonna be tough.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues If you're located where I think you're located I'm not telling my fiancé. I said if we find two people into the game I'd consider playing it. XD
Killteam (current edition) and Mordheim are still the greatest things GW has done.
I bought the new Killteam and played a game, I liked it quite a bit, but I haven't gotten into it enough to really know it yet. And I've always heard so many good things about Mordheim, that's a bucket list game for sure. I've heard that the new Warcry added a lot of old Mordheim stuff to the rules, so I'm really curious to see how that goes.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues Me and the fiance are into Warcry and we really like it until I play Nighthaunt in the Catacombs. Then he hates it. ;-)
Another great video another great paint job, I always enjoy your narration style !! Good job man
Time to complete the daunting task of building my hundred kingdoms kits
Good luck with those archers!!!
Glad to see you getting a bit of your Conquest-fix there, Casey!!!! Looking fantastic and love to see more from you and Para Bellum (and Goobertown, obviously)
What a thoughtful gift
Awesome video Casey! It's your videos that got me interested in this hobby and your videos are always fun to see! I've even started a small collection of preowned stormcast bought from my local hobby store :)
Very cool! Welcome to the hobby :)
Lucky your local store has a pre owned section, that’s not something you see in every store :)
@@eBayMiniatureRescues Thank you, and yeah I'm very lucky. They sell them for a decent price and they've had some cool stuff my favorite find still is my fine cast wood elf Highborn with great weapon
The game is awsome the model are getting better by the release. I jump in with few other and im not regretting going all in. Conquest is really interactive and there more to the game after you get in each faction. There are awsome combo in each faction but nothing unbalance or right down broken.
Old Dominion army showcase 🙏
I was just getting into it
I am waiting for my City States starter box to arrive. Although I own a quite large vintage WHFB dwarves army, I won't play The Old World, because I absolutely don't agree with GW's business practices. They simply use their game systems as a vehicle to sell more models. The faction with the most recent army book is always the strongest, to boost sales, and every few years you have to buy a new rulebook and a new army book, with the latter most likely making your top performing units from the now old army book swapping places with the low performing units, also to boost sales.
For Conquest I only have to buy the models, which are not cheap compared to model ranges for historical setting, but still muß cheaper than typical GW models. Conquest rules and army lists are available as free downloads. And they also offer a very easy to use online army builder.
If I should come to the conclusion that I don't like Conquest, I can use the models for, for example, Osprey's Dragon Rampant.
How are the build options on these models? I imagine the resin minis don't have a lot of alternative parts, but what about the plastic ones?
The models I was building had a good amount of head and arm options. It's still rank and file, so bodies are limited, which I wish was different, but I get it. I did end up with an absolute ton of leftover bits, and I like that a lot. The character models are pretty static, but even seeing the new kits that are coming out it looks like that's changing, they look more dynamic and come with extra bits. The takeaway for me is that the company is growing and listening to its audience, and that bodes very well for the future of this line.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues Thanks for the quick reply! I'll look at getting one of those Faction Tasters some time.
GW releases A LOT stuff, thats why I like them. The problem of the smaller companys is that they releases not enough and that many games end up dead, like Guild Ball.
AOS is a really good system, and you cant beat the price of the Dominus Box. Also try out WarCry/Killteam for smaller scirmishes, this are fantastic systems, in my opinion much better then 40K.
Lol, both aos and wacry are downright apalling. Now, kill team is very solid.
Conquest releases 2-5 new stuff per month.
@@anakon And is fair to factions. I played ironjawz in aos for 4 years. They still sit at 3 units. W'adrun, which came last year, have 8 units, almost thrice!
So much for releasing a lot of stuff.
Going to post some videos on the Conquest models?
I'm sure I'll get around to more Conquest videos in the future :)
Awesome vid as always Casey...also that "Wellmess - Beyond Elysium" track is boss 🤘
Conquest is amazing!! I'm a Vanguard for them, so please don't ever hesitate to ping me with questions if you and Brent ever have any!! It's such a fantastic game :)
Yeah, I'm really liking it so far. Vanguard, very nice! I will definitely let you know if I have any questions, thanks!
Just picked up my first model
the only gruge i have is why in all that is good ... WHY IS THE COMMANDER UNITS IN RESIN !!??
It'll be cheaper for them rather than make a full injection moulding setup.
@@zulef i know but i don't like to work with resin or maybe i am just too burned out by finecast ... ?
@@anonyme253 Oh yeah, resins a pain
Like some have said, it's cheaper to produce than the polystyrene models, so they opted for that method for the fancier models. That being said, they are taking a lot of those older models, if not all of them, and making them into way nicer plastic kits. The model I worked on in this video just got that treatment and the model looks very nice in comparison, it even addressed the issues I had with some of the details and made them much nicer! The more popular this game has gotten, so has the quality of its models. They definitely seem to be using their profit to create an even better game, and that feels great for the longevity of this game.
All new characters are released in Plastic now, most of the old one are also plastic now.
Spire looks spooky af
Yeah they do, some really cool models in that line!
Conquest is beautiful!
I personally started collecting aboat a year ago, and the experience I had so far was very good.
I obviously wouldn’t call it a WH killer, but a new alternative.
The very original aesthetics are one of it’s strongpoints IMAO.
they certainly don't sell themselves as a warhammer killer. IMO it helps.
@@thelordkragan1888 agreed.
It is only on rare occasions that something new is destined to wipe its predecessors just because it’s in the same genre.
Trying to make something different instead of a replacement is less cinical, and more interesting.
(IMAO)
Repping the Bloodywood again! Woohoo.
Always!
Whole model is exceptional. The beard is next level. 👍 👌
It's always refreshing seeing people step away from Games Workshop. While they dominate the market space in fantasy/sci-fi wargaming, they have - by far - the very worst games. Their lore and models are generally very good. Rules-wise, they're stuck in the 1990's compared to most games - even indie games - of today. This excludes their business practice which is actually based on writing poor rules - as this is the excuse to sell you a new version of the game every 2-3 years, and sell you updated errata books every year, etc. They'll remain the dominant market leader simply because they've now become the "easy" game to buy and own and play. Much like D&D (which is not a good role-playing game), GW's games are the easiest games to find opponents for...and the easiest ones to find at local shops. That juggernaut will keep rolling and people will keep playing massively lazy/underwhelming rules with them.
First I would like say that I have some bias. Always have been a big fan of GW games (fantasy side) and I am selling some of them (as independant retailer focusing on GW products but not GW afiliated: I welcome every game systems on our tables). But, besides, I have been trying - for years - for decades ;-) - different wargames including non GW ones and I tend to disagree: 1. GW has various game systems including some (Necromunda, warcry, Underworlds, Kill Team...) with rules being very similar to other trendy "lighter" games (using ping pong activations per units, cards etc). GW is very much aware about what works and also pick here and there - as they naturally all do - to update their systems. 2. The master games of GW (40K and AOS) have rules being often updated. Rules of today that have nothing to see with the ones 10 years ago (not even 5 years ago). Some people can argue that the multiplication of corrections / Faq is because of a lack of attention or because of bad sale motivation :-). BUT, we can also argue the games to be very "alive", always evolving (also based on the comments by players...) with the continuous adjustments also resulting from their complexity. Complexity ? Depth. The latest version of AOS is excellent. EXCELLENT. These main games of GW have a depth than most of others don't have (including the GW lighter ones which I am no fan of). Some other games can be fun, very fun, even more fun if you want, but you play few games and that's it, you have seen it all and the fun fades away (my case for instance, if the rules are too simple then I will feel bored quickly). 3. GW doesn't have only some of the best models around. They have also an incredible power to bring new stuff at an incredible rate. As a hobbist this is great to have this incredible choice instead of waiting for a meagre addition once in a while. 4. This is not because it is easier to find an opponent that you will find more people playing GW games. I especially disagree about this point. The groups of players I know on Infinity or Ice and Fire or Stargrave or Star wars Legion or whatever are also most of them (I would roughly say 90%) coming back from time to time to GW. Not because they can't find opponents for their other games. No. Because anyway they always feel the need, somehow, to come back to the main game...If you ignore this then you miss one of the reasons why GW is a power house today. 5. This is also not because you can find the game more easily at your local store. Many independant retailers support a lot of various game systems, and there is not only your local store for you to discover/buy new game systems (for instance...) 6. I would conclude by saying: In 35 years of hobby I have seen many so called "better games than GW games" (or better than D&D). The fantasy/sci-fi wargames ? They all died. Even when GW was not the power house it is today. They didn't die because of GW. They died because.... people abandonned them. They were not great enough to last, after all.
All of my hobby money for the last year switched to Conquest. The early sculpts are a bit rough, but the new ones are as good if not better than GW. They also don't hate their community and content creators, so there's that.
I stumbled upon Conquest during a game Expo. The quality of some of the sculptures really caught my eye and I would love to use them as proxies from some WH Fantasy units. However, their pricing is absolutely insane, at least where I live. 40 pounds for a 10 man squad of regular infantry?! 50 pounds for a 3 man command retinue?! Every hero unit at 20< pounds?! They are as bad as(often worse than) GW when it comes to prices. I wish all the best to this game and appreciate the quality, but this is a premium, PREMIUM kind of a product. Even through the lens of Warhammer, which has been trying its best to price its players out of the game in recent years...
Agreed, the models are too expensive to get people to move over from WH, theyre also bigger than the GW ones, so you'd need to buy an entire army in one go rather than use proxies, or they'd look odd.
They are definitely premium. I just bought a cavalry squad of 3 guys for $40 US. I would say that at least where I live, and on eBay, the prices could be worse, certainly better of course, but a lot worse in terms of where they sit for quality. I have a feeling that the bigger they get though, the better the prices will be. They are still paying a ton of money to have their models made properly, and that only gets cheaper when they sell more models. I'm gonna remain as optimistic as I can and hope that that will happen in the future.
The Game is awesome ! Much better than old fantasy! The playstyle and fluff is very good !
models look great! but what size are the bases? to me it looks 30ish but its hard to tell
Most of the infantry are still on 25mm bases, which is a little weird for the scale, but the rank and file nature makes them all fit together on the trays. The cavalry and larger monster models are on much larger bases though, 40mm for most, and bigger for the really big stuff. Still smaller than you might expect though.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues thanks 😊
Great looking mini Casey thanks for sharing.
Conquest is a good game. been playing it a little over a year. anyhow gt sonic eh? Never knew i needed this item. looks useful.
If you're planning to strip some models this is the best way to do it! It doesn't hurt as an airbrush cleaner too :)
awesome work but!, i watched also recently alot of Conquest videos it looks like a good game but i started already with Asoaif, one thing i dislike: this beard shield looks comlety out of space? but still the whole model looks rly good
Conquest had my money as soon as I saw orcs riding dinosaurs
Those orcs are so rad
I was hoping that my FLGS would start carrying Conquest when they moved into a massive new store. No such luck, but I'll just have to work on the owner
If there’s enough of a reason to buy into it or the owner then they usually will. One of my local stores bought in pretty hard because there was a demand from a small group of players. Now they have game days for conquest and escalation leagues. Really cool to see the growth from nothing to a full on community!
@@eBayMiniatureRescues they recently got snubbed a lil by GW so they might be interested in branching out.
Anyone else feel like they couldn't hear the next 30 seconds of the video over those deafening mold lines at 1:45 ?
Conquest is actually very expensive 😅
Yeah, it's pretty comparable to Warhammer in price, still, the models are pretty cool!
It is actually fairly cheaper than warhammer, at the very least.
Alternating activation over IGUG is becoming a big draw to me in games