Waiting for the Barbarians Movie Review **SPOILER ALERT**
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Gay homosexuals Nick and Joseph spoil Waiting for the Barbarians - a 2019 drama film directed by Ciro Guerra in his English-language directorial debut. The film is based on the novel of the same name by J. M. Coetzee.
Premise: A Magistrate working in a distant outpost begins to question his loyalty to the empire.
Nick gives this film 3.5 out of 5 stars, and Joseph gives it 3 out of 5 stars.
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Cast:
Johnny Depp as Colonel Joll
Mark Rylance as Magistrate
Robert Pattinson as Officer Mandel
Gana Bayarsaikhan as "The Girl"
Greta Scacchi as Mai
David Dencik as The Clerk
Sam Reid as The Lieutenant
Harry Melling as Garrison Soldier 4
Bill Milner as Garrison Soldier 5
Music by Giampiero Ambrosi
Cinematography by Chris Menges
Keywords: Men on Film, reaction video, Venice Film Festival, Samuel Goldwyn Films, Mortdecai, Embrace of the Serpent, Birds of Passage, Intimacy, Bridge of Spies
In terms of the setting, Coetzee originally planned the novel to be in South Africa, but later changed his mind and actually chose to make it Xinjiang with the Empire being China, and then changed his mind again and made it ambiguous. The setting still is strongly correlated with 19th century travel accounts of Xinjiang. Some features in the book also strongly suggest that this is an Asian rather than a European empire like lacquer armor. Ironically reference in the book to differences in eye shape might mean that the barbarians are Uyghurs who are descended in large part from the original inhabitants of Northern Asia in caveman times who were white and close in DNA to Europeans, but were killed or driven westward by the ancestors of Asians and Native Americans.
So the grandma says that she was actually miserable with him even though he treated her really good. Any ideas about that?
yeah im looking everywhere for a deep 'analysis' of this movie
I have two thoughts about that, (1) She views him as the embodiment of the empire and all the violence it has caused her people, especially her family, and no amount of foot baths would ever make up for it. (2) She actually did despise him for her families death but she was won over by his genuine gentleness/empathy towards her, so shes pissed of with herself for the feelings shes developed for him, when she knows there is no way for them to be together, so the whole time she stayed there she was basically heartbroken. What bugs me is his vision of her in the sand wearing the pink outfit.... Is that envisioning her in a wedding dress? Hes just day dreaming about what could have been, had she decided to stay with him? I enjoyed this movie alot.
prob hated what he embodied. colonialism. and IF (big IF) she started to like him she might have hated the fact that she was falling for the colonizer. the scene in the tent where she goes to hug him is questionable, it could be untrue, as a lot of (post)colonial literature was with their unreliable narrators. and this movie is based on a book so ..
@@adampg82 I also would vote on the second thought you shared, I pretty much was on the same page after I watched the movie.
I wish they would've explained that in the damn movie! Maybe grandma wanted him to believe that so he would settle for her and it wasn't true. I also can't figure out wth happened at the end. Were the barbarians coming to kill everyone there? I liked this movie but they left too much open-ended so I hate it.
It is very faithful to the Book
EXCEPT for the ending. Barbarians NEVER attacked in the book
So that WAS the barbarians coming to kill everyone in the village!! Also, do you know why grandma the cook told the magistrate why he made the Asian girl cry? They left that unexplained too. Makes me despise movies when they do that.
@@sophiar6996 Correct!!
@@sophiar6996 Because she wanted him to tame her and grab her by the pussy but he acted like a nice guy and didn't have balls for that.
I loved the movie and Johnny Depp was so scary and creepy in it. I did not like the ending because I don’t understand it what was coming in that dirt cloud? What did it mean with the girl looking back? I hate endings that are hard to interpret at least for me. The movie really showed who the barbarians really were. Not the nomads. I thought the cook meant that since he didn’t tell the girl he loved her that’s why the girl was upset with him.
I wouldn't say the empire/region is meant to be specific or reference any particular empire, rather it's a general empire used to illustrate the horrors of colonialism
So did I miss where y'all explained what happened at the very end???
Not colonial, but I believe the empire is most likely the Ottoman Empire (Turks) based on their uniforms, the time period and the fact that the Ottomans did interact with the Mongols. I believe she hated the Magistrate simply because she viewed him as the enemy. My other theory which might be contradictory to yours or something the director left to interpretation is that the attack of the "barbarians" was imminent the entire time, the Magistrate was oblivious and complacent while Depps character, a barbarian himself, was actually right about the threat.
I like your review,
Great Movie.
So interesting to watch the interactions between a renaissance man and military man, a liberal and conservative you could say in general. I imagine the Magistrate more of a pencil pusher in the military. Military didn't see him as a fighter and posted him in an inconsequential frontier post. The Magistrate probably took the job as the adventure of his life, more interested in learning cultures and past civilizations.
From the side of the military men, everything they did is just for those times. Not wanting someone to be sharing information with the enemy or looking weak. In the military, the officers you fight and die with, anyone who puts their lives at possible risk is very bad. Interesting to see how the military also used public humiliation and torture to get the townsfolk to hate the nomads. I was also wondering and watching how the Magistrate was taking it and if he was going to say something. I found it suspenseful wondering how the worlds of these 2 men were going to collide, they were both right in their own way. Also, let's not paint the nomads as peaceful "Avatar" like people. This is real human life history. They were having there own tribal wars, using torture, and military tactics. It seams a lot of people today don't have a grasp on human nature and war and see the winners as evil and losers as peaceful people just try to get along.
Side note, there is a book Empire of the Summer Moon, which describes the frontier in Texas. Stories of the government sending frontier settlers into hostile Native American areas, saying just go ahead and you can pick your land. The settlers would get killed/skinned and the Gov would use it as a reason to send military forces to the area. In this movie I feel it clearly shows how the Empire doesn't care about the townsfolk and are just using them. I think the nomads killed everyone in the town and the empire will then send an Army.
Mark Rylance should be nominated for this.
Think there's a big difference to a remote colonial outpost thousands of miles away & defending your own border.
Why did the cook tell the magistrate the reason he made the Asian girl cry?
great work guys!!
Interesting thoughts and comments gentlemen. Thanks.
They cast Mongolian actors for Barbarians. And Rylans was also speaking Mongolian as Barbarian language tho. I’d like to know why... great video btw
It's because using Uyghurs would be too obvious in this China critique movie.
Cl0ckcl0ck I see, the fact that Uyghurs also originated from Mongolia is making it reasonable.
Just read the book - it was created to speak below the level that cinema can convey. It was written specifically for the human imagination, not for eye candy. For me the core of it all is how we (humanity) are all one, and all tied in a world so complex that it makes those slogan-like simple solutions people throw around cringy. This is an excellent read, won a Booker prize, not for being PC, but for the quality of writing -about the heart of darkness.
Why did grandma tell the magistrate that he made the Asian girl so unhappy? And wth happened at the end, was it the barbarians coming to kill everyone in the village? I DESPISE it when movies don't make things clear. Hoping since you read the book that you know. Thanks!
You guys very smart people and I like your review👍
"Normal" to some is the equivalent of "great again"..and you KNOW exactly what is being inferred, no? Humanity is never as good as we think we are, therefore we must incessantly move towards self examination and improvement. I loved this review, thank you.
"Really makes you think." I watched an other critique, where a lot of comments were about that this movie is bad. I need to stand against this. You really need to think about this one, in my opinion, to see the greatness. Its not about the magistrate or the girl or the colonel. I think, that this movie is much more about how humanity can be driven against certain groups when they dont know anything about certain group. Point being, that there is very few people, that would stand up against these things and thats why humanity as it stands, fails. Those who say its bad, I think they are the ones, that can be driven against the so called barbarians, they are the ones, who does not question the legitimacy all of this. And they are the ones, who will turn against you if you are painted by those who are generating these aggression.
This might be only me, I might wanna see way more into the movie as it is, but we are who we are.
Just finished watching it
"Hated it!"
😬
@@fishjellyfilmreviews "Two snaps up"?
Loved the review guys. Thanks
Yo ,! Please rewind the movie watch it the ending again! Movie does not end like you said it ends!
I try not to live in the past.
Fish Jelly Film Reviews Living in the past seems not so bad Comparison to Now♥️♥️
Fish Jelly Film Reviews at the very end Barbarians are coming petty pissed off I imagine ,and he closes the gate doors ! Let you think that they gonna be to toast
Great Movie.
So interesting to watch the interactions between a renaissance man and military man, a liberal and conservative you could say in general. I imagine the Magistrate more of a pencil pusher in the military. Military didn't see him as a fighter and posted him in an inconsequential frontier post. The Magistrate probably took the job as the adventure of his life, more interested in learning cultures and past civilizations.
From the side of the military men, everything they did is just for those times. Not wanting someone to be sharing information with the enemy or looking weak. In the military, the officers you fight and die with, anyone who puts their lives at possible risk is very bad. Interesting to see how the military also used public humiliation and torture to get the townsfolk to hate the nomads. I was also wondering and watching how the Magistrate was taking it and if he was going to say something. I found it suspenseful wondering how the worlds of these 2 men were going to collide, they were both right in their own way. Also, let's not paint the nomads as peaceful "Avatar" like people. This is real human life history. They were having there own tribal wars, using torture, and military tactics. It seams a lot of people today don't have a grasp on human nature and war and see the winners as evil and losers as peaceful people just try to get along.
Side note, there is a book Empire of the Summer Moon, which describes the frontier in Texas. Stories of the government sending frontier settlers into hostile Native American areas, saying just go ahead and you can pick your land. The settlers would get killed/skinned and the Gov would use it as a reason to send military forces to the area. In this movie I feel it clearly shows how the Empire doesn't care about the townsfolk and are just using them. I think the nomads killed everyone in the town and the empire will then send an Army.