Hey Zach, Thank you for the video. This is just another comment for the algorithm and my vested interest. Please do more tutorials on ED. Admittedly he’s a low tier character because he has very obvious flaws but he’s a very unique character as well. Your videos on Marisa made me understand the character and the game better. Always appreciate any content you make. Thanks! 🙂
I’m not so sure he’s a low tier. If he can force whiffs to get people in the corner I think he’ll be okay. If Capcom ever removes throw loops though he’ll need to be reworked for sure.
@ZachHenke my fav is if you end with heavy 123, you can get strike throw pressure after his command dash, but if you do the medium ender and command dash, you'll be just outside of throw range, but still very plus. Great for a tech happy opponents without being at risk for wakeup c.lk to beat shimmy.
Good guide! Really helped me out. There's the training mode combo that you can do after that light psycho flicker snatch with KK6P into Cobra punch. Although, not sure if you get a safe jump from that. Probably more worthwhile to do if you are next to the corner.
See I wasn't shure when to sprinkle charged flicker problem I had learning jack-o with "when do I use minion?" Never touched a boxer but I can't put ed down thx for the guide
All of it needs to be frame tight. The dash has to happen first frame after the special, drive rush has to happen first frame after the dash, and the cr.MK has to come out first frame it can from drive rush. This causes you to hit on the second active frame of the cr.MK. That makes it +4. If you’re not getting +4 you’re doing something too slowly.
Kill rush doesn’t get you the extra plus frames. It also doesn’t cover all the distance it looks like it does, as the last step he takes isn’t actually part of the animation of the move.
@@ZachHenke it does. Have you lab it? Always around +4 up until +11 in point blank distance on wake up opponent. You even can get meaty setup. Stmp become +1 on block. Or sthp become 0 on block. Just check it
@@Glen_C_Gaming Ed has a few problems getting oki off lights that Kill Rush can't completely solve because M Blitz ender is relatively mediocre and L DP while fast + good knockdown is extremely short range, but yeah in most other situations Ed is hilariously consistent at getting strike throw oki situations meterlessly.
Great video I'm referring to this a lot learning Ed - Kill rush as an approach seems to be highly dependent on how you knocked down - your first combo with the light confirm (with dummy set to backstep) puts it at +8 but if you target combo into it I get it around 10-13 - so it works but it will probably whiff if you just spam 5mp off the kill rush. If they backstep it seems to leave me just outside of throw range - it could be possible to walk forwards just enough but I'd say if they are kill rushing you after one of these knockdowns midscreen they are removing throw from the options they have. heavy blitz from the ground (raw or from HP for example) allows you to throw from it if you time it well. Pretty complicated overall
Love the vid man. Really well done. Have you tried using kill rush after HP blitz to setup a meaty with 5HP or 5 MP. I have been messing around with it since it is more intuitive for me and it looks like a decent option. Any thoughts??
Should work fine, for me Ed just doesn’t have a lot of safe ways to end pressure and his only plus on block normal whiffs on crouchers. That’s why I’ve been focusing on other stuff.
Some people have complained about me leaving in combo drops, but every once in a while I get a comment like this, and I decide that I do like leaving them in. As long as it doesn’t get excessive. Thanks for checking out the content.
One thing I learned on the forward throw in the corner, if you do charged light flicker right when it's charged (around 30-31 frames), you can still DI back if they try to DI your flicker, so get those timings down!
Nice guide but your execution is poor so I recommend editing the failing bits, I can't watch you fail a combo 4 times in a row or failing a combo and saying nah I missed the timing but it works and then proceeding to next combo. The guide would be so much better with just a couple quick edits
My execution is not poor in general, but the character was out for a day at this point. I’ve also received more feedback in the past that people found it encouraging to see other people struggle with combos. I appreciate the feedback, and if I felt like it was excessive I would have edited it out.
I'm surprised about that feedback, I guess people have more free time that I have 😂. Anyways it was just my 2 cents from my pov, hope it didn't sound rude or anything, I'm not English native
Lovely guide as always! How would you describe Ed in terms of playstyle? I usually love boxers because they often have a unique approach to rushdown, but Ed seems to break the mold, so I am not sure he is the kind of character I like.
I definitely don’t think he’s rush down. I was hoping for more of that myself, but he feels more like SFV Posion. He’s got some BS up close, but he really just wants to frustrate you in neutral. Those are my early impressions anyway.
@@ZachHenkeSeems like I will never get my Dudley function. Oh well, Ed is certainly unique and interesting, a very cool addition to the game. I'll be likely going back to Marisa though 🤷♂
I plan to spend a little bit of time on Ed. We’ll see what else happens. I have at least a few more things I want to cover, but right now the goal is a little bit of Ed content.
@@ZachHenkeplease do more on Ed like his most optimal combos on light, medium and heavy confirms, plus optimal punish counters. Your guides on Marisa were absolutely beautiful!
Love this guide, hope you do more on Ed, I'd really enjoy one on level 2 set ups, I think that's a really undiscovered area for Ed so far and everyone is only focusing on combos
Definitely too early for me, I haven’t really looked at it yet. My next couple videos will probably be Ed specific stuff, but I do want to take a look at the Ed vs Marisa stuff eventually.
I'm in the training room right now to follow along with the guide, and Drive Rush x Cr. MK is +3 on block instead of +4. Not sure if I'm overlooking something or there's been a sneaky frame data change. Which means I'm trading when I try to follow up with MP
It’s not just DR cr. MK. It’s from a +39 knockdown following a forward dash as a frame kill. This puts you at +21. From there doing DR cr.MK times up to hit on the second active frame which makes it +4 on block. Sorry if that was unclear.
This sets up an auto timed meaty. Of course you can manually time an option, but I’m interested in auto timed stuff. Also, the 2MK in this setup is +4 on block. The frame advantage on DR MP is going to be variable depending on which active frame you hit.
Maybe im the most lucky guy in the world to have an auto time. Cause i just drive rush medium punch instantly lmao@@ZachHenke Also, one question: What do you link after 2MK?
It feels like ed hits so damn low all the time. Is that his game? Mixup all the time with high, low, aa, wire grab, normal grab, shimmy. I can see him being extremely hard to deal with.
He has 2 low moves, both scale down the following damage heavily. He's a mid dispenser, the most he can mix you with is strike/throw. Backdashing instead of teching seems to shut him down pretty easily until people get really airtight with the blockstrings.
@@Raxyz_0 Backdashing isn't that good vs Ed though given he's actually very competent at converting knockdowns at longer range. His 5MK singlehandedly makes it a generally bad idea to backdash his pressure given that's actually a move he wants to abuse for whiff punishes/shimmy tactics.
You're my sensei with Marisa, let's do it again with Ed!
damn sucks you cant dodge projectiles with his duck and weave its kinda useless and only used for combos and shimmys
Probably would have been too much to have 3 special moves that beat projectiles.
I agree I loved his projectile sway in SFV especially when you got a hard read and got a combo with it
Love all guides, brother. Always informative while being straight to the point and easily digestible.
Thank you! I do try.
Hey Zach,
Thank you for the video.
This is just another comment for the algorithm and my vested interest.
Please do more tutorials on ED.
Admittedly he’s a low tier character because he has very obvious flaws but he’s a very unique character as well.
Your videos on Marisa made me understand the character and the game better.
Always appreciate any content you make.
Thanks! 🙂
I’m not so sure he’s a low tier. If he can force whiffs to get people in the corner I think he’ll be okay. If Capcom ever removes throw loops though he’ll need to be reworked for sure.
No bs right into the relevant info. Exactly what i was looking for. Easiest subscribe of my life. Thanks man.
Welcome aboard. So far I’ve been the Marisa guy, but I’m hoping to expand my sphere of influence.
The best part is this isn't even the half of it. They gave him so many oki options
Yup. Just a cursory glance.
@ZachHenke my fav is if you end with heavy 123, you can get strike throw pressure after his command dash, but if you do the medium ender and command dash, you'll be just outside of throw range, but still very plus. Great for a tech happy opponents without being at risk for wakeup c.lk to beat shimmy.
Good guide! Really helped me out.
There's the training mode combo that you can do after that light psycho flicker snatch with KK6P into Cobra punch.
Although, not sure if you get a safe jump from that. Probably more worthwhile to do if you are next to the corner.
Godlike guide. Loved the approach. If this wins me a match ill give you that sub. Hold the Like
Should've waited till after he gets nerfed
Thanks for wasting no time!
Have to strike while the irons hot!
I was thinking as having Ed as a secondary and as a Marisa main I appreciate the work
I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment.
See I wasn't shure when to sprinkle charged flicker problem I had learning jack-o with "when do I use minion?" Never touched a boxer but I can't put ed down thx for the guide
Got more stuff in the works. Thanks for checking it out!
I keep doing the very first oki setup and ending up at +3. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
All of it needs to be frame tight. The dash has to happen first frame after the special, drive rush has to happen first frame after the dash, and the cr.MK has to come out first frame it can from drive rush. This causes you to hit on the second active frame of the cr.MK. That makes it +4. If you’re not getting +4 you’re doing something too slowly.
Just use kill rush. You will be plus around 4-11 after every ed combo. Never use the meter again
Kill rush doesn’t get you the extra plus frames. It also doesn’t cover all the distance it looks like it does, as the last step he takes isn’t actually part of the animation of the move.
@@ZachHenke it does. Have you lab it? Always around +4 up until +11 in point blank distance on wake up opponent. You even can get meaty setup. Stmp become +1 on block. Or sthp become 0 on block. Just check it
@@Glen_C_Gaming Ed has a few problems getting oki off lights that Kill Rush can't completely solve because M Blitz ender is relatively mediocre and L DP while fast + good knockdown is extremely short range, but yeah in most other situations Ed is hilariously consistent at getting strike throw oki situations meterlessly.
Great video I'm referring to this a lot learning Ed - Kill rush as an approach seems to be highly dependent on how you knocked down - your first combo with the light confirm (with dummy set to backstep) puts it at +8 but if you target combo into it I get it around 10-13 - so it works but it will probably whiff if you just spam 5mp off the kill rush. If they backstep it seems to leave me just outside of throw range - it could be possible to walk forwards just enough but I'd say if they are kill rushing you after one of these knockdowns midscreen they are removing throw from the options they have. heavy blitz from the ground (raw or from HP for example) allows you to throw from it if you time it well. Pretty complicated overall
Love the vid man. Really well done.
Have you tried using kill rush after HP blitz to setup a meaty with 5HP or 5 MP. I have been messing around with it since it is more intuitive for me and it looks like a decent option. Any thoughts??
Should work fine, for me Ed just doesn’t have a lot of safe ways to end pressure and his only plus on block normal whiffs on crouchers. That’s why I’ve been focusing on other stuff.
Woo
Thanks for the great video! For some reason i can’t get the timing for the first frame kill DR. Do you have any tips for that one?
The only thing I can really say is that you can hold parry during the dash animation.
@@ZachHenke thank for the reply! I will try it out
Oh mannn I can’t wait to watch this later
insanely helpful thank you
Thanks for checking it out.
awesome work. thank you so much.
If the rise in place do you do the same dash follow up? For the Dash into DR and double dash.
Rise in place has the same frame data in this game. The only difference is you’ll be slightly closer to them.
@@ZachHenke thanks
6:12 I'm glad I'm not the only person who struggles on this combo .
Some people have complained about me leaving in combo drops, but every once in a while I get a comment like this, and I decide that I do like leaving them in. As long as it doesn’t get excessive.
Thanks for checking out the content.
Yesss for more ed guides! Thanks bro
this is great man
Thank you!
One thing I learned on the forward throw in the corner, if you do charged light flicker right when it's charged (around 30-31 frames), you can still DI back if they try to DI your flicker, so get those timings down!
Nice guide but your execution is poor so I recommend editing the failing bits, I can't watch you fail a combo 4 times in a row or failing a combo and saying nah I missed the timing but it works and then proceeding to next combo. The guide would be so much better with just a couple quick edits
My execution is not poor in general, but the character was out for a day at this point.
I’ve also received more feedback in the past that people found it encouraging to see other people struggle with combos. I appreciate the feedback, and if I felt like it was excessive I would have edited it out.
I'm surprised about that feedback, I guess people have more free time that I have 😂. Anyways it was just my 2 cents from my pov, hope it didn't sound rude or anything, I'm not English native
@@powerk21 It did sound a little rude, but don’t worry about it. Thanks for taking the time to comment and leave feedback.
Lovely guide as always! How would you describe Ed in terms of playstyle? I usually love boxers because they often have a unique approach to rushdown, but Ed seems to break the mold, so I am not sure he is the kind of character I like.
I definitely don’t think he’s rush down. I was hoping for more of that myself, but he feels more like SFV Posion. He’s got some BS up close, but he really just wants to frustrate you in neutral. Those are my early impressions anyway.
i think hes more for xounter hits
@@ZachHenkeSeems like I will never get my Dudley function. Oh well, Ed is certainly unique and interesting, a very cool addition to the game. I'll be likely going back to Marisa though 🤷♂
Amazing guide for player who don’t know how to play Ed like me.
Are you making an ed guide like marsia, i remeber you saying you love big body characters like abigail.
I plan to spend a little bit of time on Ed. We’ll see what else happens. I have at least a few more things I want to cover, but right now the goal is a little bit of Ed content.
@@ZachHenkeplease do more on Ed like his most optimal combos on light, medium and heavy confirms, plus optimal punish counters. Your guides on Marisa were absolutely beautiful!
Love this guide, hope you do more on Ed, I'd really enjoy one on level 2 set ups, I think that's a really undiscovered area for Ed so far and everyone is only focusing on combos
logged in youtube just to leave a comment. This is actually useful and Godlike.
Best guides online. I have learned a lot for Marisa.
As someone who just made Plat with Ed, I really appreciate this info. This is exactly the kind of low/mid level knowledge I feel like I need!
Awesome! Glad to be helpful!
Simple, relatively short oki guide which saved my time! Thank you!
Thanks for checking it out!
I am really interested on your thoughts on the match up between Marisa and Ed. Still to early to tell?
Definitely too early for me, I haven’t really looked at it yet. My next couple videos will probably be Ed specific stuff, but I do want to take a look at the Ed vs Marisa stuff eventually.
thanks for making this video man, this is exactly the kind of thing I’m looking for when a new character drops. simple useful and to the point
More Ed guides to come!
Good job dude great guide, actually useful, can’t wait to see more tech as he gets used more !
Stay tuned then. I’ve got more in the works.
I'm in the training room right now to follow along with the guide, and Drive Rush x Cr. MK is +3 on block instead of +4. Not sure if I'm overlooking something or there's been a sneaky frame data change. Which means I'm trading when I try to follow up with MP
It’s not just DR cr. MK. It’s from a +39 knockdown following a forward dash as a frame kill. This puts you at +21. From there doing DR cr.MK times up to hit on the second active frame which makes it +4 on block. Sorry if that was unclear.
Aaah! I just tried it again with that information and it's working now. Thanks! Also for the speedy reply :)
No need to dash. Just drive rush medium punch
This sets up an auto timed meaty. Of course you can manually time an option, but I’m interested in auto timed stuff. Also, the 2MK in this setup is +4 on block. The frame advantage on DR MP is going to be variable depending on which active frame you hit.
Maybe im the most lucky guy in the world to have an auto time. Cause i just drive rush medium punch instantly lmao@@ZachHenke
Also, one question: What do you link after 2MK?
If you’re doing DR MP and it’s hitting off of any of these knockdowns you definitely aren’t doing it instantly.
uh, ok then@@ZachHenke
@@Or1a It’s +13 on hit. Link whatever you want. Probably HP.
It feels like ed hits so damn low all the time. Is that his game? Mixup all the time with high, low, aa, wire grab, normal grab, shimmy. I can see him being extremely hard to deal with.
I think that’s it. He doesn’t have an overhead, so crouch block is your friend, but he just has to throw/shimmy you to death.
He has 2 low moves, both scale down the following damage heavily. He's a mid dispenser, the most he can mix you with is strike/throw. Backdashing instead of teching seems to shut him down pretty easily until people get really airtight with the blockstrings.
@@Raxyz_0 nice mate. Thank you
@@ZachHenke no overhead? Really?! That seems unfair
@@Raxyz_0 Backdashing isn't that good vs Ed though given he's actually very competent at converting knockdowns at longer range. His 5MK singlehandedly makes it a generally bad idea to backdash his pressure given that's actually a move he wants to abuse for whiff punishes/shimmy tactics.
This is amazing! It would be great if there was something similar with ed in neutral because he has so many options to use.
That’s definitely on the docket.