it still amazes me to this day how they wrote these films. the dialogue, while complex and deep, feel totally human. that’s true artistry. i hope i can tap into that some day.
Yeah it sounds nice, but the question is, if he's honest in that heated moment. The ego thing in you isn't just the insults and guilty trips, and the so called: the negative things. It's also making the compliment, in hoping to stop the argument as fast as possible for your sake. It's never ending thing to be speculating, if the person that is saying to you this thing, is honest. Maybe the answer is: "I'm okay with me being a complicated human being."
This is long, but bear with me lol. I partially agree. I think the first film was a fantasy, two people contemplating what their relationship would be like. It's easy to see only the best in someone when you've spent only 24 hours together. The second film is when things get complicated. They start off as they did before with the debates and elaborate thought experiments, but I think at the end of the film, Jesse is seriously contemplating which direction he wants to go as far as his romantic life is concerned. Should he stay with his wife or take a leap of faith with Celine? But the third film is when those thought experiments they normally engage in are based on their real life experiences, and we see an almost complete 360 from when they were naive 20 somethings that romanticized everything. We get a glimpse into the complexities of their relationship and see that the traits they liked or even romanticized about each other in the first installment are things that cause the most conflict. I think all three films give an honest representation of relationships, and that's why they're so relatable. That natural progression from the optimistic and naive 20s to the mature 30s to the harsh reality of life and relationships in their 40s.
@@SaturnPhaseYeah...I don't usually like or watch romantic flicks....but this trilogy is really something different and special.It made me choose Europe as my study destination for my master's.Hopefully, I will go this year.
I wouldn't side with either of them, as some of the comments said. I rewatched the whole trilogy yesterday, and being 30 years old, I can now see that its true genius is the ways in which it shows how our view of love and relationships changes over the years. In Sunrise, purely the magic of their time together, the chemistry and romance is enough for them. In Sunset, each has gone through some personal turmoils already and starts to question that maybe there won't be as many people in life they'll have a true emotional connection to and have shared interests with- which is so amazing to me about their relationship; it's not just physical attraction but a lot more than that, and shows how you need to be with someone you can grow with together. And this scene shows how in a long term relationship/marriage it becomes about keeping a scorecard of who's done what for the relationship, which I think is what's happening here. Celine is guiltier of that but Jesse isn't trying to truly listen to her either. And most interestingly, I love how it shows that in some strange way they're almost afraid of being happy and subconsciously start looking for ways to sabotage what they have. Even at the dinner table, they almost don't want to appreciate how they met and how special the start to their relationship was and are being quite sarcastic about it.
"but Jesse isn't trying to truly listen to her either" Why do you think it is the case? For me it looks like she is continuously attacking him. I liked in Before Sunset when Celine went crazy in the car, because anyone can go crazy and say harsh words, that happens. But this movie looks like that scene again and again: Jesse is trying to assure her that she is okay and loved - even if he does not completely understand her. But does his best and sends the message that 'hey, it is not perfect, but I love you'. But for Celine in this movie it is all about her and even in the end all she does is ignoring all the things she herself said. Did not even apologize on trying to hurt Jesse on several different points. That's why I don't like this movie. In Before Sunset both of them went through all the different dynamics and states - still they had their different personalities. But here Celine is just lashing out.
@@karamcsandit's a pretty realistic take for most marriages. Eventually the wife gets upset, and the husband just tries to console her and keep the peace. One of the biggest differences I consistently see between men and women in marriages is that many wives constantly keep a running tally in their head of every screw-up the husband makes. Whereas husbands tend to let things go and just move on. Ten years later in a relationship like that, and it's no wonder that women are more likely to divorce and to cheat.
@@samerdrich5579 She's horrible person, but the point of the last 2 movie is about the guy acceptance of her craziness. That's a wonderful kind of love.
@@miarose9233 She's refusing to look at the truth, she over-dramatize everything to try to make herself feel as if she's important in this world. And she actually believe so without very little attachment to reality And she forces everybody around to believe that in some way. She's a typical delusional person, it's just that she's very intelligent and pretty. Intelligent people can be delusional. So yeah, she's a horrible person by "normal" means. But Jesse loves her, that's the point of the third movie.
I don't believe either of them cheated. I feel like Jesse didn't answer the question because he felt like he didn't need to explain him self. He tells her that he dedicates his whole life to her and the kids. When Celine keeps accusing Jesse, Jesse comes back with his own. Basically saying that its really easy to do that and that you need trust in a relationship for it to work. When he says he doesn't bring stuff like that up because he doesn't want her to feel trapped (which id imagine you would if you kept being accused of cheating, having that feeling of not being able to go out with anyone because your partner never trust you) is just another way of saying you need Trust.
I pretty much agree. I think in those situations, especially if you've been there before, you know that ANY answer you give is going to be torn apart so it's better to hit what you're REALLY talking about instead of justifying a fantasy.
@@queentee2806 Yeah I understand that. You could also say the same for Celine as well though since she never answered Jessie when he accused her of cheating like she did with him.
I can understand that too. I just believe it's up to the viewer to decide and I love how you never really know if either of them did since neither confessed to actually cheating. I think it just shows you need trust in a relationship for it to work otherwise you'll always think your partner is cheating like Celine and Jesse in this scenario. You might always have your doubts in a relationship and never know if those doubts are true or not, just like us the viewer never know. Again without trust it just won't work in my opinion. I think this scene is mainly trying to portray this.
Idea for 4th film: Jesse and Celine are seperated, have been for a bit, and on the verge of divorce (having decided to finally get married shortly after the events of Before Midnight). Celine is in Paris, Jesse in Texas. Celine files the papers for divorce, but Jesse hasn't signed them yet. He tells her he will sign them if they take one last trip together, to Vienna to visit the city where they first met. They do and rekindle their love, visiting some of the old places they did in the first movie and new ones, as they walk through the city. They decide to give their marriage another go. Perhaps call the movie After Sunrise. Wish I could tell Richard Linklater this idea. A guy can dream.
That would be really interesting to watch but i don't think they really need to make another one. The end of Before Sunrise had the big question of "did they end up meeting each other again in six months?" and the end of Before Sunset had the big question of "Did they actually get together?" but for Before Midnight you could say the big question is "do they stay together?" which i really love because isn't that the big question for every relationship? I think it ends perfectly to me. :)
funnily enough linklater said in an interview once, half jokingly he had a concept for a 4th film set many many many years in the future where one of them chooses to euthanized due to their old age. I think that could poetically very beautiful but hey ho
Damn the comments are being harsh on Celine. I haven’t watched this movie in a few months but wasn’t it present throughout the movie that she was bottling this argument up for awhile? Not defending her but people are saying “how could people side with her?” I’m sitting here wondering why anyones siding with anyone at all in this scene.
I feel like many people here see it just from Jesse's perspective, because Celine is more agresive. Well, I think this fight and the whole third movie just mirrors how trapped they are in the dream of the Vienna fantasy and especially, how trapped they are in the box of their scars and insecurities. Jesse tolerates Celine's emotional states because he just needs to believe that he still loves her enough so his separation from his son still makes sense to him because it was worth his dream girl from Vienna, but it's easier for him to believe that than for her, let's just take a moment to see it from her perspective- yes, I think she didn't even try to find a solution for their problems in this argument, she just wanted to argue, but it's because she is so frustrated... She blames Jesse for everything because it's her way to express how she blames herself for everything. I don't think Jesse tried to blame her here, even though I think deep down, he does blame her, but she feels this way, because she just can't get over the fact that Henry lost his chance to grow up with his father. But she moved to USA to live there with Jesse so he can be with his son, she gave up her life in France, then she needed to come back to give birth to her kids, it must've been so painful to her that the day she gave birth to her beloved daughters caused the separation of the love of her life and his son. She felt helpless, she didn't know how to be a good mother to her children and it is even said here that Jesse cheated on her when she struggled with the frustation that she is failing to be a mother. She loves his son and she would like to raise him with Jesse but his ex uses him to hurt them, that must be so hard for her as well, but she tried to tolerate her. Besides, yes, Jesse is right that Celine is overreacting here, but during the fight, he constantly dismisses her feelings as absurd, although she feels as bad as she is saying. When she told him that she felt helpless as a first-time mother, he told her that she is not the only one on the Earth who feels that way, which is not much empathetic way to answer. In the beggining of this argue, she even tried to insure him that it's not his fault that he and his wife divorced, she tried to insure him that Henry is alright but she felt bad herself and I don't think he even realizes that her feelings are same as his. Not to mention, she just wanted to enter the job that is important to her and now she feels like she can't because Henry needs his father. So yes, I actually feel her side. The reason why she admitted that she is not sure that she still loves him is that he still lives in the Vienna fairy tale, but she already sees their reality, which is to me very important message of this movie- even though you dream about a perfect relationship, it doesn't exist, every soulmate is going to turn to an another person in your life who can fail you and hurt you, but that doesn't mean the life with him is bad, it's the part of that life.
Very nuanced look. So many layers. And truly I don't think the layers are written to be there. As someone who overthinks all the time, even simple situations in life can have these insane layers that were never written or planned.
I agree with everything except for Jesse being the one living in the fantasy. I think he moved on from the fantasy a long time ago, and Celine is the one coming to terms with the ugliness of making a relationship with in reality.
Thank you for writing this. People are dismissing her and hating on her, while I think what she went through is symbolic of what many women go through. And the men (jesse here for example) are usually so chill about it because they simply never had to go through the same exhaustion, were never conditioned to believe and behave as if everyone's well being and feelings were their responsibility, so they simply don't carry that same load. They don't know what it's like. And from the many stories I've heard.. the men being chill/cold/dismissive only adds fuel to the fire. (I honestly don't particularly love either of them in this scene/movie. But I relate to Celine. A lot. And know many who would as well. And I can't help but see people's dislike of her as inability to empathize with women if not straight up misogyny..)
You can see the moment he fucked up quite literally in her eyes. I think the ending scene of her accepting him being somewhat of an idiot is nice. It's just as good as the other two films, but different.
Interesting. I see it completely differently. I saw that as an admission of guilt on her part. They both cheated, he's far from an idiot. The man has the emotional intelligence to have known his wife cheated but not let him be affected by it (unlike her) because he knows what's truly important. His family.
@@blankspace4358 I agree but why should anyone, her or him, not be affected by their partner cheating? That’s a major sign of a very unhealthy relationship and a sign that both partners in this case don’t feel satisfied with their current relationship. Even if the fling that they had with the people they cheated with didn’t really mean anything (hopefully not, I would be heartbroken if they didn’t love each other anymore so let’s hope that’s it’s not the case) they’re still allowed to be mad or angry at each other
@@blankspace4358 “what’s truly important”. Isn’t trust important? So everyone can cheat on everyone because it’s the love that stands behind that matters? What’s love without respect? And what’s respect without truth?
@@iwannatalkalot3415 love is less important than your children and family. They both cheated, he's willing to look past it for the good of the family. Aka whats truly important. Keeping the family whole is more important to him than the pain of knowing she cheated.
For those attacking Celine, I would also snap if my partner didn't share equal responsabilities, for the most part. She is clearly sleep deprived and in a constant state of stress - whereas he gets to go off and write and have no worries. It isn't fair and he should make more of an effort. Wherr Celine is wrong is communication - she cealrly hasn't been honest with him and just let this all build up over time.
The 4th movie should be when they’re kids have grown up, having gotten past the “realities of life” kids work home infidelity insecurity ….. worked through it all… and found their way back to each other after perhaps a few turbulent years… that conversation of realisation and appreciation…that you have with your partner of 25 /30 years….. Where you finally realise the enormity of how much they mean to you how much you’ve been through with each other and come out stronger .. how you wouldn’t be who you are let alone where you are in life without them… that reconnection that comes with gratitude that only comes with a successful long term relationship that has seen many ups and down and every time come out stronger.
I see a lot of comments here about how he doesn't answer the question so he must be guilty. I find that very naive to think. Do you guys really think that if Jesse would've denied the fling she would've been like ok I believe you? Come on, guys. Have you ever been in an argument even?
Yes, and I believe if he is innocent, he would've feel need to emphasize that he didn't do it and she is crazy to think so, that's actually his attitude during the whole fight.
I cant believe people saying they dont know if Jesse cheated. Its so damn obvious he did. Not only he didnt deny it but he dumped a truckload of bs about commitment on celine when she asked him for a yes/no answer. She on the other hand, who knows. She didnt deny but he had accused her earlier that day about blowing someone at a conference when they werent together and she denied. So when he accused her again her reaction felt more like 'Fuck it,believe what you want'. Its obviously a very very well done movie and trilogy but in this scene Jesse could have done it better. It was such a let down not so much for the cheating, but for all that bs he said wasnt about being open minded, its about him trying to justify his cheating. I dont think he cared that much if she cheated anymore, he wanted to believe she did to feel better about himself.
I'm a woman and I can say now if he has said "no" she wouldn't have believed him because that's not the real question. He answered the real question. She was trying to start a fight because she felt left behind. She wanted to know if he was committed.
Both of them didn't cheat it, and both of them know they didn't cheat on each other, that's why they laugh at the end, during arguments you might accuse someone of something that even you don't believe. No matter his answer, the question was not about if he cheated, she traps him, she ask if she would admit that he cheated if her life and daughters depends on it, now any kind of answer would be wrong, the best answer is to throw her an accusation as well, to let her know that he knows what she is doing, and how easy it is to ask a trap question like this. Going to an ex because his mother died is way more suspicious than his story, but both of them didn't cheat.
@Strawberry Bubblegum Possibly. However it's also possible she's thinking "The only defense he has is I visited someone who's mother died, he definitely had a fling I can't believe this".
its hard and easy to side with both. they both are right and wrong. its a very good representation of what long partner relationships become, you start getting annoyed with the person youre supposed to love the most. it just makes me sad because their love was so idealistic in the previous films.
This is whats fun about the before trilogy. I watched before sunrise and I think of what will happen on the next one, and the next one and the next one. It's so open that the writer/s can do what they want. And here's this scene, we can't really confirm if they cheated on each other. So it's up to us to figure it out.
and when she told him he's not that much of a sex beast as he thinks he is, I think in the previous movies they talked about how men get easily offended when it comes to sex skills and Celine or Jesse (I dont remember who) told a story about a couple, the girl, after some years told the guy that she wasnt truly satisfied with it, and they split apart because of that. I think they unconsciously use their old conversations to hurt each other in this argument
I love the trilogy but here’s the problem with their relationship. She thinks she’s better than him. Maybe because she’s French and he’s American but my wife, who had never saw the trilogy, noticed it in the second and third movie. Yeah, her attitude is quite noticeable.
@Shaun Steverson I'm a woman Shaun and Alan is right, you using the term "misogynistic" to discredit his opinion is pretty lame. Her character is a bitch, not as insufferable as the actress in real life, but still, an egotistical ass. She does give off a "I think I'm better than you" attitude. In all three movies. He has his own issues but between the two, she's worse. In my opinion anyway.
My opinion is this. She’s jealous. She’s with a guy who’s successful (he’s achieved all he wants theoretically, even bumping elbows with the greatest of his peers)and it makes her feel like she hasn’t accomplished anything. So instead of blaming herself, she Blames him and their children for her not accomplishing anything. She projects her own dissatisfaction for herself and where she is on other people. And he loves he despite of it. This movie is brilliant.
The thing i like about this movie is that it does show the character’s trait, insecurities, tendencies to the reallest. It make you think that they really have changed a lot to a point you dont really know them any more. But like a few years later you decided to watch the trilogy again and you just starting to see both this character flaw and emotional baggage they carry that you never notice before. And you just realised, both of them here are just what they truly are, not this dreamer, heartthrope, lovefull personality that we thought they were, they were simply trap in the fairy tail land of Vienna dream and now decided to break loose. In a way, we the watcher, was also trap in the Vienna dream and now we face reality of what love truly is.
Having watched this scene, I realized one more time that I don't need any children, marriage, or relationship till death. Thank God there's such movies that depict reality, so you don't need to face this sh*t in real life.
Well I really liked the movie. But it just kinda made the first two seem like a dream. Like it’s imposible to stay that way forever. And I think it may be idk. But for this part, as much as I think Celine was right in some aspects, I have to side with Jesse. Jesse was trying. It seemed like Celine wasn’t. She was ready to throw it all away. She was changing his words and idk. The whole thing felt unfair to Jesse’s son. I was left feeling kinda heartbroken after she said she didn’t love him anymore.
celine was very annoying in this movie. the things jesse does are hard to accept aswell, but she literally was not searching for solutions, she was just seemed like she wants drama and fight. as if she enjoyed the bad vibes she creates. i could never be with a person that does this stuff, even if it is occasionally. she just could have calmly explained what her problem is. she got way too personal and aggressive. doesn't matter what the reasons are, freaking out like that is annoying as hell. the way the 3 movies show her makes me believe that she has always been this complicated person. not someone i would want to be with. i know a lot of people who crave this kind of bad energy, just to make their lives more exciting, even if it's by telling others how shit they are.
The first and second movie portray two people who have a connection and an intense feeling that is rare to find, in the third film they transform into a couple with an unpleasant toxic relationship. I'm disappointed with the third film, some people say this is a realistic portrayal of marriage if it really is, so I want to stay the hell away from a wedding.
I think it's the consequence of not meeting again in Vienna when they should have in the 1990's and instead much later in Before Sunset, and Jesse sloppily cheating on his wife with Celine. Not to mention geographic and cultural differences catching up to them. I have seen happy marriages but even they will face intense arguments that can feel like this. What they had was magical but once reality comes in they have a lot of forces against them, not the least of which is Celine's very strong passions and ambition which was put on a shelf.
@@jjeffjames4953 no they didn't...he said that he was committed to her, and he was not worry about her cheating because he doesn't want to make her feel trapped...so basically he's offended by her question when he could have asked the same thing to her...but I think it's up to you to decide
After the first 2 it didn’t seem the 3rd would end with these 2 not being together - when she comes back in and hits him with it…. Shit was the first time I thought maybe that might be the case. Had to edit it - when he looks back at the door and she doesn’t come back in - shit
I think she cheated and he didn't, he knows about the betrayal but he didn't want to be below as he was when he waited for her on the train and she didn't show up. It is very clear that he loves her much more.
The hypocrisy of so many people, stereotypically the woman as is also being portrayed here, where they judge their partners for throwing away a commitment for something as superficial as sex while these very partners are actually the ones who are still staying at the end of the day, and it's these butthurt people who are doing all the real giving up. They use a superficial betrayal to justify their own fundamental betrayal.
I've seen Jesse complimenting young girls talking about himself over and over again... Celine never gets real attention this is the result... Don't be so hard on her.
As imperfect as I am I never got as NASTY EMASCULATING as Celine ... I'm totally SAD that the 3 Film turns Celine into a shrew !!! It was not how these 2 wldv turned out !!!! I'm totally on Jesse's side though ... The cheating IF & all haha as he didn't answer NO did he ?!? 🤣🤣🤣♥️♥️♥️🎯🎯🎯♥️♥️♥️😋😋😋
I disliked the trilogy overall but man did they completely destroy her character in this one after watching it. Why did they make her the embodiment of the hysterical, nonsensical female trope that every woman detests? She didn't consider his feelings once while he kept trying to make the night better. She was a complete nightmare and in reality he would have been exasperated with her to the point where he would eventually be done with their relationship. As a woman, I found her ridiculously unbearable and I can't believe she didn't even apologize after saying she didn't love him anymore; it cut him deep and you could see he was devastated by that towards the end. If I was a hardcore fan of these films, I would be bitter about this conclusion. Not only is it unentertaining but for a film that prides itself on showing the honest hardships of life, I felt it lacked a ton of realism and was not meaningful or profound in any way (writing-wise).
@@aksharpatel2803 No they can’t. It’s an interpretation of a film. So no one is right or wrong why do you think there’s entire careers dedicated to film analysis 😂
@@gee2541 You are the one who is wrong in thinking opinions can't be wrong considering that is objectively false. Your analysis of the movie and characters varies far off the course of what it is trying to do.
I hope he gets a better wife after this she is crazy and annoying what did he do wrong? He really loves her and stays with her even tho she is constantly putting him down .. if thats not a sign for love i dont know .. she is toxic as hell
I was a fan of the first 2 movies, but in this one they argue like they're both still 20 years old with half a brain and no life experience. I found it unrealistic.
I believe some people would find this boring,but please allow me to explain why I disagree.First, you said "it looks" so I am not sure if you watched it or not but there are three parts, this is the last one.Its a story about two people meeting each other on the train, spending a day together and falling in love.There are 1000 romantic and most of them are done on the same way , But this movie is a little bit different.They spent the whole movie TALKING with each other about little things in life, random subjects , meeting each other.Its the way real people fall in love.So if you found it boring listening to conversation, meeting people and finding out about their believes and opinions-this movie is not for you
A chick flick? So where's the part where Jesse chases Celine in the airport and admit he's wrong? And people around cheer? Where's the genre elements that make this a so called chick flick?
My parents love this whole scene in the film so much, that they re-enact it once a month at 12AM while I’m playing on my PS5.
LMAO.
Nigga at least you got a ps5 the fuck
My parents as well
Fuck lol
🤣🤣🤣
"I'm okay with you being a complicated human being." Isn't that what we all want deep down? Acceptance.
it still amazes me to this day how they wrote these films. the dialogue, while complex and deep, feel totally human. that’s true artistry. i hope i can tap into that some day.
Yeah it sounds nice, but the question is, if he's honest in that heated moment. The ego thing in you isn't just the insults and guilty trips, and the so called: the negative things. It's also making the compliment, in hoping to stop the argument as fast as possible for your sake. It's never ending thing to be speculating, if the person that is saying to you this thing, is honest. Maybe the answer is: "I'm okay with me being a complicated human being."
Translation: 'i cheated but so did you. Lets call it even.'
@@antondelacruz9362wait so celine did cheat?
watching this feels like..the first two movies were fantasy.. but this is the reality :D
This is long, but bear with me lol. I partially agree. I think the first film was a fantasy, two people contemplating what their relationship would be like. It's easy to see only the best in someone when you've spent only 24 hours together. The second film is when things get complicated. They start off as they did before with the debates and elaborate thought experiments, but I think at the end of the film, Jesse is seriously contemplating which direction he wants to go as far as his romantic life is concerned. Should he stay with his wife or take a leap of faith with Celine? But the third film is when those thought experiments they normally engage in are based on their real life experiences, and we see an almost complete 360 from when they were naive 20 somethings that romanticized everything. We get a glimpse into the complexities of their relationship and see that the traits they liked or even romanticized about each other in the first installment are things that cause the most conflict. I think all three films give an honest representation of relationships, and that's why they're so relatable. That natural progression from the optimistic and naive 20s to the mature 30s to the harsh reality of life and relationships in their 40s.
@@SaturnPhaseYeah...I don't usually like or watch romantic flicks....but this trilogy is really something different and special.It made me choose Europe as my study destination for my master's.Hopefully, I will go this year.
@@shivasaket7771 Really? That's cool. I hope you do go.
@@SaturnPhase Yeah...I just got admitted this year in an university in Italy...I'm waiting for my study visa...Pray for me 😊
@@shivasaket7771 You'll get it. 😁
I wouldn't side with either of them, as some of the comments said. I rewatched the whole trilogy yesterday, and being 30 years old, I can now see that its true genius is the ways in which it shows how our view of love and relationships changes over the years. In Sunrise, purely the magic of their time together, the chemistry and romance is enough for them. In Sunset, each has gone through some personal turmoils already and starts to question that maybe there won't be as many people in life they'll have a true emotional connection to and have shared interests with- which is so amazing to me about their relationship; it's not just physical attraction but a lot more than that, and shows how you need to be with someone you can grow with together. And this scene shows how in a long term relationship/marriage it becomes about keeping a scorecard of who's done what for the relationship, which I think is what's happening here. Celine is guiltier of that but Jesse isn't trying to truly listen to her either. And most interestingly, I love how it shows that in some strange way they're almost afraid of being happy and subconsciously start looking for ways to sabotage what they have. Even at the dinner table, they almost don't want to appreciate how they met and how special the start to their relationship was and are being quite sarcastic about it.
Celine was mostly
"but Jesse isn't trying to truly listen to her either"
Why do you think it is the case? For me it looks like she is continuously attacking him. I liked in Before Sunset when Celine went crazy in the car, because anyone can go crazy and say harsh words, that happens. But this movie looks like that scene again and again: Jesse is trying to assure her that she is okay and loved - even if he does not completely understand her. But does his best and sends the message that 'hey, it is not perfect, but I love you'. But for Celine in this movie it is all about her and even in the end all she does is ignoring all the things she herself said. Did not even apologize on trying to hurt Jesse on several different points.
That's why I don't like this movie. In Before Sunset both of them went through all the different dynamics and states - still they had their different personalities. But here Celine is just lashing out.
@@karamcsandit's a pretty realistic take for most marriages. Eventually the wife gets upset, and the husband just tries to console her and keep the peace. One of the biggest differences I consistently see between men and women in marriages is that many wives constantly keep a running tally in their head of every screw-up the husband makes. Whereas husbands tend to let things go and just move on. Ten years later in a relationship like that, and it's no wonder that women are more likely to divorce and to cheat.
It's nice to see a realistic depiction of long-term relationships, the richness of them, when you REALLY know somebody, on screen for once.
Jesus, she came back to tell him that? That's a dagger through the heart
@dawn stfu
She's not a good person. I don't know why people side with her.
@@samerdrich5579 She's horrible person, but the point of the last 2 movie is about the guy acceptance of her craziness. That's a wonderful kind of love.
@@markarmage3776 how is she a horrible person?
@@miarose9233 She's refusing to look at the truth, she over-dramatize everything to try to make herself feel as if she's important in this world. And she actually believe so without very little attachment to reality
And she forces everybody around to believe that in some way.
She's a typical delusional person, it's just that she's very intelligent and pretty. Intelligent people can be delusional. So yeah, she's a horrible person by "normal" means.
But Jesse loves her, that's the point of the third movie.
I don't believe either of them cheated. I feel like Jesse didn't answer the question because he felt like he didn't need to explain him self. He tells her that he dedicates his whole life to her and the kids. When Celine keeps accusing Jesse, Jesse comes back with his own. Basically saying that its really easy to do that and that you need trust in a relationship for it to work. When he says he doesn't bring stuff like that up because he doesn't want her to feel trapped (which id imagine you would if you kept being accused of cheating, having that feeling of not being able to go out with anyone because your partner never trust you) is just another way of saying you need Trust.
I pretty much agree. I think in those situations, especially if you've been there before, you know that ANY answer you give is going to be torn apart so it's better to hit what you're REALLY talking about instead of justifying a fantasy.
Idk maybe I'm crazy like Céline but I hate how he avoided the question.
@@queentee2806 Yeah I understand that. You could also say the same for Celine as well though since she never answered Jessie when he accused her of cheating like she did with him.
The scene is very clear. He cheated.
I can understand that too. I just believe it's up to the viewer to decide and I love how you never really know if either of them did since neither confessed to actually cheating. I think it just shows you need trust in a relationship for it to work otherwise you'll always think your partner is cheating like Celine and Jesse in this scenario. You might always have your doubts in a relationship and never know if those doubts are true or not, just like us the viewer never know. Again without trust it just won't work in my opinion. I think this scene is mainly trying to portray this.
"And I know how your French ass works" lmao
Idea for 4th film: Jesse and Celine are seperated, have been for a bit, and on the verge of divorce (having decided to finally get married shortly after the events of Before Midnight). Celine is in Paris, Jesse in Texas. Celine files the papers for divorce, but Jesse hasn't signed them yet. He tells her he will sign them if they take one last trip together, to Vienna to visit the city where they first met. They do and rekindle their love, visiting some of the old places they did in the first movie and new ones, as they walk through the city. They decide to give their marriage another go. Perhaps call the movie After Sunrise. Wish I could tell Richard Linklater this idea. A guy can dream.
I really like that idea.
please..I really want to this story of movie again miss them in Vienna
That would be really interesting to watch but i don't think they really need to make another one. The end of Before Sunrise had the big question of "did they end up meeting each other again in six months?" and the end of Before Sunset had the big question of "Did they actually get together?" but for Before Midnight you could say the big question is "do they stay together?" which i really love because isn't that the big question for every relationship? I think it ends perfectly to me. :)
I think the title that everyone's banking on is Before Twilight
That’s so cliche lol
it’s about time for the 4th one. Before Death.
lol, and then finally After Death.
Lol, and finally, After Death.
funnily enough linklater said in an interview once, half jokingly he had a concept for a 4th film set many many many years in the future where one of them chooses to euthanized due to their old age. I think that could poetically very beautiful but hey ho
Damn the comments are being harsh on Celine. I haven’t watched this movie in a few months but wasn’t it present throughout the movie that she was bottling this argument up for awhile? Not defending her but people are saying “how could people side with her?” I’m sitting here wondering why anyones siding with anyone at all in this scene.
I feel like many people here see it just from Jesse's perspective, because Celine is more agresive. Well, I think this fight and the whole third movie just mirrors how trapped they are in the dream of the Vienna fantasy and especially, how trapped they are in the box of their scars and insecurities. Jesse tolerates Celine's emotional states because he just needs to believe that he still loves her enough so his separation from his son still makes sense to him because it was worth his dream girl from Vienna, but it's easier for him to believe that than for her, let's just take a moment to see it from her perspective- yes, I think she didn't even try to find a solution for their problems in this argument, she just wanted to argue, but it's because she is so frustrated... She blames Jesse for everything because it's her way to express how she blames herself for everything. I don't think Jesse tried to blame her here, even though I think deep down, he does blame her, but she feels this way, because she just can't get over the fact that Henry lost his chance to grow up with his father. But she moved to USA to live there with Jesse so he can be with his son, she gave up her life in France, then she needed to come back to give birth to her kids, it must've been so painful to her that the day she gave birth to her beloved daughters caused the separation of the love of her life and his son. She felt helpless, she didn't know how to be a good mother to her children and it is even said here that Jesse cheated on her when she struggled with the frustation that she is failing to be a mother. She loves his son and she would like to raise him with Jesse but his ex uses him to hurt them, that must be so hard for her as well, but she tried to tolerate her. Besides, yes, Jesse is right that Celine is overreacting here, but during the fight, he constantly dismisses her feelings as absurd, although she feels as bad as she is saying. When she told him that she felt helpless as a first-time mother, he told her that she is not the only one on the Earth who feels that way, which is not much empathetic way to answer. In the beggining of this argue, she even tried to insure him that it's not his fault that he and his wife divorced, she tried to insure him that Henry is alright but she felt bad herself and I don't think he even realizes that her feelings are same as his. Not to mention, she just wanted to enter the job that is important to her and now she feels like she can't because Henry needs his father. So yes, I actually feel her side. The reason why she admitted that she is not sure that she still loves him is that he still lives in the Vienna fairy tale, but she already sees their reality, which is to me very important message of this movie- even though you dream about a perfect relationship, it doesn't exist, every soulmate is going to turn to an another person in your life who can fail you and hurt you, but that doesn't mean the life with him is bad, it's the part of that life.
Very nuanced look. So many layers. And truly I don't think the layers are written to be there. As someone who overthinks all the time, even simple situations in life can have these insane layers that were never written or planned.
I agree with everything except for Jesse being the one living in the fantasy. I think he moved on from the fantasy a long time ago, and Celine is the one coming to terms with the ugliness of making a relationship with in reality.
She's crazy
Thank you for writing this. People are dismissing her and hating on her, while I think what she went through is symbolic of what many women go through. And the men (jesse here for example) are usually so chill about it because they simply never had to go through the same exhaustion, were never conditioned to believe and behave as if everyone's well being and feelings were their responsibility, so they simply don't carry that same load. They don't know what it's like. And from the many stories I've heard.. the men being chill/cold/dismissive only adds fuel to the fire.
(I honestly don't particularly love either of them in this scene/movie. But I relate to Celine. A lot. And know many who would as well. And I can't help but see people's dislike of her as inability to empathize with women if not straight up misogyny..)
You can see the moment he fucked up quite literally in her eyes. I think the ending scene of her accepting him being somewhat of an idiot is nice. It's just as good as the other two films, but different.
Interesting. I see it completely differently. I saw that as an admission of guilt on her part. They both cheated, he's far from an idiot. The man has the emotional intelligence to have known his wife cheated but not let him be affected by it (unlike her) because he knows what's truly important. His family.
@@blankspace4358 I agree but why should anyone, her or him, not be affected by their partner cheating? That’s a major sign of a very unhealthy relationship and a sign that both partners in this case don’t feel satisfied with their current relationship. Even if the fling that they had with the people they cheated with didn’t really mean anything (hopefully not, I would be heartbroken if they didn’t love each other anymore so let’s hope that’s it’s not the case) they’re still allowed to be mad or angry at each other
@@blankspace4358 “what’s truly important”. Isn’t trust important? So everyone can cheat on everyone because it’s the love that stands behind that matters? What’s love without respect? And what’s respect without truth?
@@iwannatalkalot3415 love is less important than your children and family. They both cheated, he's willing to look past it for the good of the family. Aka whats truly important. Keeping the family whole is more important to him than the pain of knowing she cheated.
@@blankspace4358 this is a sad way to look at it
For those attacking Celine, I would also snap if my partner didn't share equal responsabilities, for the most part. She is clearly sleep deprived and in a constant state of stress - whereas he gets to go off and write and have no worries. It isn't fair and he should make more of an effort. Wherr Celine is wrong is communication - she cealrly hasn't been honest with him and just let this all build up over time.
The 4th movie should be when they’re kids have grown up, having gotten past the “realities of life” kids work home infidelity insecurity ….. worked through it all… and found their way back to each other after perhaps a few turbulent years…
that conversation of realisation and appreciation…that you have with your partner of 25 /30 years…..
Where you finally realise the enormity of how much they mean to you how much you’ve been through with each other and come out stronger .. how you wouldn’t be who you are let alone where you are in life without them… that reconnection that comes with gratitude that only comes with a successful long term relationship that has seen many ups and down and every time come out stronger.
I see a lot of comments here about how he doesn't answer the question so he must be guilty. I find that very naive to think. Do you guys really think that if Jesse would've denied the fling she would've been like ok I believe you? Come on, guys. Have you ever been in an argument even?
Yes, and I believe if he is innocent, he would've feel need to emphasize that he didn't do it and she is crazy to think so, that's actually his attitude during the whole fight.
I cant believe people saying they dont know if Jesse cheated. Its so damn obvious he did. Not only he didnt deny it but he dumped a truckload of bs about commitment on celine when she asked him for a yes/no answer. She on the other hand, who knows. She didnt deny but he had accused her earlier that day about blowing someone at a conference when they werent together and she denied. So when he accused her again her reaction felt more like 'Fuck it,believe what you want'. Its obviously a very very well done movie and trilogy but in this scene Jesse could have done it better. It was such a let down not so much for the cheating, but for all that bs he said wasnt about being open minded, its about him trying to justify his cheating. I dont think he cared that much if she cheated anymore, he wanted to believe she did to feel better about himself.
I'm a woman and I can say now if he has said "no" she wouldn't have believed him because that's not the real question. He answered the real question. She was trying to start a fight because she felt left behind. She wanted to know if he was committed.
Both of them didn't cheat it, and both of them know they didn't cheat on each other, that's why they laugh at the end, during arguments you might accuse someone of something that even you don't believe.
No matter his answer, the question was not about if he cheated, she traps him, she ask if she would admit that he cheated if her life and daughters depends on it, now any kind of answer would be wrong, the best answer is to throw her an accusation as well, to let her know that he knows what she is doing, and how easy it is to ask a trap question like this.
Going to an ex because his mother died is way more suspicious than his story, but both of them didn't cheat.
Jesse is clearly deflecting and avoiding answering her question which means he definitely had a fling with the 'Emily Bronte girl'
@@Daniel-mw7pu Best answer ever better than the comment.
@Strawberry Bubblegum Possibly. However it's also possible she's thinking "The only defense he has is I visited someone who's mother died, he definitely had a fling I can't believe this".
It’s more like he feels so insulted by the suspicion he doesn’t answer, the same way she does . I think is more likely neither cheated
@@ssnewp2340 they both cheated hate to rain on your gender triumph parade
@@samuelmunoz7652 that's what I like about it so much, either way is equally as likely.
I hope they make another one if these in 3 years
Yeah i hope there will be a 4th movie
What do you guys think the storyline would be in the 4th one? I wonder they'll be arguing with masks on their face 😂 love it
I disagree, I think this is a great ending to the trilogy.
Julie Delpy just confirmed they’re won’t be.
@@randywhite3947 it is probably for the best. Thanks for the official word!
This is a very interesting scene. When this film came out, I sided with Jesse. Eight years later rewatching this, I side with Celine.
its hard and easy to side with both. they both are right and wrong. its a very good representation of what long partner relationships become, you start getting annoyed with the person youre supposed to love the most. it just makes me sad because their love was so idealistic in the previous films.
@@VV-nz4dv idealistic love doesn't survive .
You grew up.
@@LovelyDay11 I did! I was 22 and had just finished college two days before I first saw it. I’m 30 now.
Why do you side with Celine? She's putting her work above a kids life. She's not a good person.
Came here after Alain de botton recommended this movie in one of his lectures.
This is the most realistic couple fight I have ever seen in a movie
This is whats fun about the before trilogy. I watched before sunrise and I think of what will happen on the next one, and the next one and the next one. It's so open that the writer/s can do what they want.
And here's this scene, we can't really confirm if they cheated on each other. So it's up to us to figure it out.
0:13 remember that scene in the first one where he said his girlfriend broke up with him after a conversation similar to this
and when she told him he's not that much of a sex beast as he thinks he is, I think in the previous movies they talked about how men get easily offended when it comes to sex skills and Celine or Jesse (I dont remember who) told a story about a couple, the girl, after some years told the guy that she wasnt truly satisfied with it, and they split apart because of that. I think they unconsciously use their old conversations to hurt each other in this argument
These movies are so underrated
I love the trilogy but here’s the problem with their relationship. She thinks she’s better than him. Maybe because she’s French and he’s American but my wife, who had never saw the trilogy, noticed it in the second and third movie. Yeah, her attitude is quite noticeable.
I see it more like she's AFRAID of not being better than him... and that's when she attacks.
@Shaun Steverson I'm a woman Shaun and Alan is right, you using the term "misogynistic" to discredit his opinion is pretty lame. Her character is a bitch, not as insufferable as the actress in real life, but still, an egotistical ass. She does give off a "I think I'm better than you" attitude. In all three movies. He has his own issues but between the two, she's worse. In my opinion anyway.
My opinion is this. She’s jealous. She’s with a guy who’s successful (he’s achieved all he wants theoretically, even bumping elbows with the greatest of his peers)and it makes her feel like she hasn’t accomplished anything. So instead of blaming herself, she Blames him and their children for her not accomplishing anything. She projects her own dissatisfaction for herself and where she is on other people. And he loves he despite of it. This movie is brilliant.
@@Stopthecäq I couldn’t agree more.
@@AbbeyRoad74 Yeah I really tried to like her haha..
He knew she was walking back in.
the vibe of this is so different compared to the first one....weird
@dawn looked like a pretty bad marriage to me lol
@dawn exactly lmao I couldn’t believe people disagreed with me
@dawn idk I found it pretty depressing tbh lol
It’s called marriage
@@a.nahari380 yeah…..nah. she was emotionally abusive to him. that’s not what marriage is and if it is, I’ll pass lmao that’s miserable
The thing i like about this movie is that it does show the character’s trait, insecurities, tendencies to the reallest. It make you think that they really have changed a lot to a point you dont really know them any more. But like a few years later you decided to watch the trilogy again and you just starting to see both this character flaw and emotional baggage they carry that you never notice before. And you just realised, both of them here are just what they truly are, not this dreamer, heartthrope, lovefull personality that we thought they were, they were simply trap in the fairy tail land of Vienna dream and now decided to break loose. In a way, we the watcher, was also trap in the Vienna dream and now we face reality of what love truly is.
Having watched this scene, I realized one more time that I don't need any children, marriage, or relationship till death. Thank God there's such movies that depict reality, so you don't need to face this sh*t in real life.
I’m with him on this one.
She’s going out of her way to fight with him.
Well I really liked the movie. But it just kinda made the first two seem like a dream. Like it’s imposible to stay that way forever. And I think it may be idk. But for this part, as much as I think Celine was right in some aspects, I have to side with Jesse. Jesse was trying. It seemed like Celine wasn’t. She was ready to throw it all away. She was changing his words and idk. The whole thing felt unfair to Jesse’s son. I was left feeling kinda heartbroken after she said she didn’t love him anymore.
celine was very annoying in this movie. the things jesse does are hard to accept aswell, but she literally was not searching for solutions, she was just seemed like she wants drama and fight. as if she enjoyed the bad vibes she creates. i could never be with a person that does this stuff, even if it is occasionally. she just could have calmly explained what her problem is. she got way too personal and aggressive. doesn't matter what the reasons are, freaking out like that is annoying as hell. the way the 3 movies show her makes me believe that she has always been this complicated person. not someone i would want to be with. i know a lot of people who crave this kind of bad energy, just to make their lives more exciting, even if it's by telling others how shit they are.
lol he had a whole ass affair behind her back and her reaction was “annoying as hell”
@@dreamsister6339 most of the stuff she is pissed about is not because of his affair
Finally someone who also sees that she's an awful person.
Women never search for solutions. 😂
She's aggressive. Jesse is passive-aggressive!
I dread getting old so much
She became crazy in this film
She had kids and a much kinda complicated life after, she wasn't crazy she was just overthinking a lot of aspects of it
She was like this for 18 years just more and more to this point
she was incredibly obnoxious in this film it was unbearable.
@@gee2541 She was not obnoxious.
@@aksharpatel2803 she was incredibly obnoxious and hateful
The first and second movie portray two people who have a connection and an intense feeling that is rare to find, in the third film they transform into a couple with an unpleasant toxic relationship.
I'm disappointed with the third film, some people say this is a realistic portrayal of marriage if it really is, so I want to stay the hell away from a wedding.
I think it's the consequence of not meeting again in Vienna when they should have in the 1990's and instead much later in Before Sunset, and Jesse sloppily cheating on his wife with Celine. Not to mention geographic and cultural differences catching up to them. I have seen happy marriages but even they will face intense arguments that can feel like this. What they had was magical but once reality comes in they have a lot of forces against them, not the least of which is Celine's very strong passions and ambition which was put on a shelf.
They cheated on each other?
jjeff james yes
Joysni Lima damn, that kinda ruins everything . That’s gross
@@jjeffjames4953 human beings are complicated
@@jjeffjames4953 no they didn't...he said that he was committed to her, and he was not worry about her cheating because he doesn't want to make her feel trapped...so basically he's offended by her question when he could have asked the same thing to her...but I think it's up to you to decide
Sebastian Moya I don’t think they cheated on each other. At least I like to believe they didn’t.
She said: I don't love you???? Or not? I couldn't understand! Sorry!
Si
She said I don't think I love you anymore.
After the first 2 it didn’t seem the 3rd would end with these 2 not being together - when she comes back in and hits him with it…. Shit was the first time I thought maybe that might be the case. Had to edit it - when he looks back at the door and she doesn’t come back in - shit
Here from Adam Buxton’s Ian McEwan podcast. Apparently the actors were done with each other too?
SO HE CHEAT OR NOT.
I still wonder this too!
Me rn at 6.27 am trying to figure out this.
they both did.
I think she cheated and he didn't, he knows about the betrayal but he didn't want to be below as he was when he waited for her on the train and she didn't show up. It is very clear that he loves her much more.
A lot of big words being used to just say that they both cheated on each other.
The hypocrisy of so many people, stereotypically the woman as is also being portrayed here, where they judge their partners for throwing away a commitment for something as superficial as sex while these very partners are actually the ones who are still staying at the end of the day, and it's these butthurt people who are doing all the real giving up. They use a superficial betrayal to justify their own fundamental betrayal.
I've seen Jesse complimenting young girls talking about himself over and over again... Celine never gets real attention this is the result... Don't be so hard on her.
yes I even overlooked this part myself on first watch
As imperfect as I am I never got as NASTY EMASCULATING as Celine ... I'm totally SAD that the 3 Film turns Celine into a shrew !!! It was not how these 2 wldv turned out !!!! I'm totally on Jesse's side though ... The cheating IF & all haha as he didn't answer NO did he ?!? 🤣🤣🤣♥️♥️♥️🎯🎯🎯♥️♥️♥️😋😋😋
No I contradict myself - I do not believe Jesse is capable of cheating nor Celine !!! 😘😘😘♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️🔚😋😋😋
Exactly, that was incredibly awful of her. I don't get why people side with her.
Marriage is a disheartening. That’s why men die earlier than women
Did they actually cheat?
im sure they did. theyre both good looking and sophisticated.
I disliked the trilogy overall but man did they completely destroy her character in this one after watching it. Why did they make her the embodiment of the hysterical, nonsensical female trope that every woman detests? She didn't consider his feelings once while he kept trying to make the night better. She was a complete nightmare and in reality he would have been exasperated with her to the point where he would eventually be done with their relationship. As a woman, I found her ridiculously unbearable and I can't believe she didn't even apologize after saying she didn't love him anymore; it cut him deep and you could see he was devastated by that towards the end. If I was a hardcore fan of these films, I would be bitter about this conclusion. Not only is it unentertaining but for a film that prides itself on showing the honest hardships of life, I felt it lacked a ton of realism and was not meaningful or profound in any way (writing-wise).
Wrong
@@aksharpatel2803 ? It’s my opinion lol so it can’t be “wrong.” you didn’t elaborate on yours but you’re entitled to your views too
@@gee2541 Opinions can be wrong.
@@aksharpatel2803 No they can’t. It’s an interpretation of a film. So no one is right or wrong why do you think there’s entire careers dedicated to film analysis 😂
@@gee2541 You are the one who is wrong in thinking opinions can't be wrong considering that is objectively false. Your analysis of the movie and characters varies far off the course of what it is trying to do.
I hope he gets a better wife after this she is crazy and annoying what did he do wrong? He really loves her and stays with her even tho she is constantly putting him down .. if thats not a sign for love i dont know .. she is toxic as hell
I was a fan of the first 2 movies, but in this one they argue like they're both still 20 years old with half a brain and no life experience. I found it unrealistic.
It’s called marriage ;)
@@a.nahari380 yeah, not a nine years marriage I don't think so
@@simonburkeisable who said that?
Welcome to reality.
This looks so boring. One long chick flick
I believe some people would find this boring,but please allow me to explain why I disagree.First, you said "it looks" so I am not sure if you watched it or not but there are three parts, this is the last one.Its a story about two people meeting each other on the train, spending a day together and falling in love.There are 1000 romantic and most of them are done on the same way , But this movie is a little bit different.They spent the whole movie TALKING with each other about little things in life, random subjects , meeting each other.Its the way real people fall in love.So if you found it boring listening to conversation, meeting people and finding out about their believes and opinions-this movie is not for you
Your loss
@@andrewdate4955 Seriously lol that guy's probably between 18-21 and barely dated a girl for longer than a couple months
A chick flick? So where's the part where Jesse chases Celine in the airport and admit he's wrong? And people around cheer? Where's the genre elements that make this a so called chick flick?
@@otisthebunny I'm twenty and I liked all three of the movies. But Celine's character has diminished greatly in my opinion.