The lowes near me specifically said that the area needs to be level and preferably a crushed stone base. This contractor shouldn't even started the job. My shed was set up on a level surface and is fine.
@@derfskittlers6125 if the company hires someone that new to install a shed.... It's gonna be a disaster. I learned about gravel base foundation about 45years ago as a twelve year old..🤠
Framer of 30 years here, I used to enjoy putting in a hard days work then sit back and and enjoy looking at what I built but today's industry is cookie cutter technology where every trade's wages are based on volume and production. You get in, slap together what you're paid to do in as little time as possible then run to the next job. Feel lucky your contractor spoke english.
The Soggy Cheeseburger Incident No one cares about quality in our disposable society. They certainly don't want to pay for it either, therefore you get what you pay for
John Johnson . And out here the GC'S make 1,000,000.00$ on a cookie cutter junk house while the tradesmen are on well fair to scrape by because people will undercut you on every turn. Mostly people who have no busines doing the job in the first place. Build the wall !
I bought a shed from Home Depot 3 years ago and had it installed by their contractor. The shed materials and contractor services were provided by Tuff Shed. A DIY was impossible due to shoulder injury and subsequent surgery. The shed is well built, sturdy, attractive, functional, and we are 100% satisfied. I contracted through a friend for the slab installation, and Tuff Shed built the shed atop my slab. I'd do it again. My only 'complaint' is that I should have bought a bigger shed. I under-guessed how much shtuff I'd be accumulating!
$5,600 could buy you two shipping containers, level your lot, and put some type II down under them. I'd have them come pick that shed up before it falls off the blocks.
Jacob w In Eastern Oregon I asked the container guy in my area what my 20' container was worth. He said mine was worth about $1,200 to him, and $1,900 on the retail market here. Generally, the closer you live to somewhere where they stack up with no return load, (deadheaded) the cheaper they are.
Wade Wilson I've worked around the trucking industry throughout my career, so guess I don't know any better as the doors don't bother me. I kinda like them, because they are about as secure as anything, and not even spiders get in them. Oh, and just for the record, I'm not an advocate or salesman in any way for containers...just sharing my thoughts. Mine has paid for itself over the years in saved storage fees, and it's worth more now than what I paid for it.
Gotta agree with Jacob, i live in NM, though I've also seen them go or as high as 6000 in NM.. NM is great at ripping people off though as I've seen shipping containers go for as low as 600 in CA..
Respectfully, it sounds like your problem was with the sub contractor. I have a shed from Home Depot and its dang near bomb proof. It's been moved 3 times on my property, remains sturdy and still ready for years of service.
For starters, I believe you needed to provide a good foundation (site preparedness) for a shed this size. That is not Lowe’s or Home Depot’s fault. If I were the contractor, I’d have you sign a disclaimer.
It looks to me that all the problems with the supports for the shed were the buyers problem - the contractor was meant to build the shed not provide the level base on which the shed was to be built.
that's not how the shed purchases usually work, at least from watching many of the installers lately as I'm looking to do an off grid building. Every single one I've watch has done blocks, etc, by far this is the worst one I've seen.
What kind of soil is it sitting on? How much rain do you normally get? I can't believe you spent that much money for something that is so flimsy a good stiff breeze would wipe it out!
interesting points ,if anyone else trying to find out backyard storage sheds plans try *WoodBlueprints. Com* Ive heard some decent things about it and my colleague got cool success with it.
I work for the Home Depot. I've met our installers, and this doesn't surprise me. Lol It's better to just build it yourself. You save tons more and it'll be built way better (assuming you're any good at building).
Right! It definitely needs to be at least a footer with concrete below the frost line. The way the builder didn't splint the joists together or properly support them in spots is scary. Definitely wouldn't want to be in it for fear of it coming apart.
Not coming to Lowes defense by no means, but if done properly it can be built on cinderblocks and be solid. NOT this building. Lowes and Home Depot contract with certain outfits, these outfits then go and find a contractor who then goes out and finds the cheapest crews they can to do the work. So by the time someone actually shows up at your door Lowes or HD doesnt have a clue who they are. If that isnt bad enough think about the money you could have saved if you would have just gone out and found a crew yourself. Anytime you go through Lowes or HD theres at least two middle men who are getting paid for nothing.
Your first mistake was to not immediately refuse the man access to your property the moment he showed up with his tale of woe, and then contact the company from whom you purchased the shed to request a full and immediate refund. You, my friend, decided to slide down someone else's SlipperySlope (tm, patent pending). Also, the moment you lend one finger of your own to assist him, the question of liability becomes a prohibitively-expensive court battle rather than a given, as do any (often bogus) injury claims. Never a good idea.
yup, its no secret that they contract these out to the lowest bidder, and you can expect that kind of work too, when the margins are razor thin. He paid $5400 for a 12x18 shed, fully built. If I wanted a garage that size, it would cost me $8500 or more. He should have told the contractor that his tale of woe is not acceptable, and to take it all back.
I purchased a Tuff Shed from Home Depot in Vancouver WA 11 years ago. The installation went well and I have been happy with the shed over the years. Solid investment.
Just jack one end up, support it, dig and pour foundation pillars and then do same to other half. No need to move whole thing for that, though jack ass probably did shitty job on panel install, so maybe add some screws just in case.
This owner lives off grid and complains that the installer needs electricity. Usually it is the owner that provides electricity, but if they can't then the contractor will bring a generator - at the cost of the owner. That's a fairly normal business practice when you buy a shed from a retailer. The foundation, slope, and grade is usually the owner's responsibility. The big retailers I'm aware of specifically do not include the foundation, and they will only work with about a 4" slope in any direction, which isn't a lot when you're looking at a big shed like this. Even if not buying from a big retailer, a builder will require additional cost in order to purchase/rent an excavator and Bobcat to regrade and re-pack the ground (at which point it will need to sit and settle for at least several days, if not 2+ weeks). The builder-contractor tried to work with the owner in terms of scheduling. He even offered to try to do much of it by himself as much as possible, which I think is commendable and still a bit unresponsible in terms of the retailer. At the end of the day, the contractor was only a few days behind schedule - possibly due to weather or other scheduling conflicts, or both. It's not uncommon for jobs to take longer than anticipated, even for simple builds like this.
Corey no it won't. There will be differential settlement depending on rock/soil composition per pier. In the Ozarks I would have rented an auger and dug holes for whatever the frost line is there and used a sonotube and concrete. The foundation is the most important part of a building. If it aint right, nothing else will ever be right.
That is a first rate of example of shoddy cowboy workmanship. That foundation is totally unacceptable, it's a hazard to life and limb. I hate to say this, but it needs to be completely redone... ASAP. Good luck and god bless.
I used to work for one of the big boxes. When ordering a shed you "should" be told that foundation area prep should be done before shed arrives. Then foundation won't be as big an issue.
@@TheRealJerseyJoe But a competent worker wouldn't have started a build until the site was prepped. As the purchaser of this train wreck, he should have seen the foundation problems when they were covering the deck before the rain and stopped the build before anything went on top of it. We had a 36x60 barn and a 24x36 shop built in the cold month of December. 12 windows, 2 slider doors and a walk in door on the barn. 3 windows, 1 slider, 1 roll up and a walk in on the shop. It took 3 hard working Amish three days to complete both buildings. They arrived to the site (holes were drilled and inspected and all materials were dropped ahead of their arrival) with their own generator (even though we had power) and built 2 perfect pole buildings. THREE DAYS! *Pioneer Pole Buildings* in PA.
My Dad was looking for one recently. Lowes and Home Depot stated clearly when you sign the Papers / Sale Contract... *The Foundation is your responsibilities!* They also NOTED that the Foundation *must be* Straight and Leveled and *done* before the Contractor doing your Shed. They also told my Dad that an 8'X6' doesn't need a Foundation. But small sheds can be rested on crushed stone with either treated wood foundations or concrete foundation blocks. *Large sheds* will need to have strong foundations.
This is crazy to see work like this done. I'm a carpenter and I struggle to find work because of people that do work like this. I take pride in my work.and doing it right and exallent. I may be a little more expensive than a sloppy handyman and a little less than a contractor, but when I do any work.its right and done right. God willing work will start coming my way one day I hope and pray.
I got mine from Home Depot. It’s been up several years now. The two gentlemen that built it were fantastic. From ground to bottom metal frame, floor, walls, ceiling to roofing, all done in about 5 hrs. Thing is, I remember that the foundation was MY RESPONSIBILITY.
10 YEARS AGO. I BOUGHT THE SAME SHED,16 OC, regular type roof, PRESSURE TREATED BASE/FLOOR, USED FOR $700 .HAD A TOW COMPANY PULL IT ONTO A FLATBED AND DELIVERED IT FOR $100. it was a,right place ,at the right time thing. i couldn't believe the tow guy just winched the whole thing right onto the truck used to haul cars.
First of all, from the first day, you were there watching the contractor build the shed and you didn't question his work until after he was finished. I would have sent him packing then. You have no right to complain now when you were helping him build it.
You did have a right to question his work while he was there, because to me it sounds like he took advantage of you. That guy didn't sound like he was prepared when he got there which makes him sound unprofessional and that falls back on homedepot/lowes. The company's need to know about contractors doing people that way. If you as a consumer of their product should have stopped him corrected him on the mistakes(even though it's not your job to go behind someone and check his work, it is your product) and documented it, and if he wasn't willing to change it send him on his way.
Sadly, it won't take much rain for your building to fall off those blocks. At best it will slowly sink unevenly into the ground. I'm a 73 year old retired musician and I still build my own shops, sheds and now a new studio at my cabin in NC with my own two hands, and your building is exactly why I do it myself. I call in help when I need it (my son came in and helped me with the roof since at 73 I don't have the ankle strength to chance working that high up), but other than that, I do my own work or contracting. And yes, it takes a bit longer, but I'll know what I've got when I'm done. I'm from the "if it ain't level, square and plumb, you got problems" school of thought.
I thought shed bases either rest on the ground via posts or a spiked shed base and can only be built like that guy did (just resting on blocks) if it is built on a pre-prepared flat foundation of concrete or slabs? Grass is his foundation? I agree with BirdYoumans I dont think that foundation is going to last, sadly I think you need to take the whole thing down and start again. If you can get 6 strong guys you might be able to just lift the whole thing off in one piece, fix the foundation and put it back
BirdYoumans I know by a life time of experience that "if you want a job done right the first time, do it yourself". There are much better and nicer things to pay $2,000.00 for, i would not have paid $20.00 for it, because of safety concerns.
We folks from N.C.know how to do these hard labor job's and can make something work when no one else can..North Carolina we invite a few good ole boy's and couple cases of beer and will have the whole job done and button up bye supper time..
He would have been better off hiring a bunch of Amish people at least it would have been built well and could have stood at hurricane and a few tornadoes
To be fair, professional installers/sellers should have prep information for buyers. People who don't know any better are the ones most likely to buy installation and would know nothing about it. And if there was an absence of prep-education for this guy (like an information sheet "before your shed is installed") maybe this guy expected it came with it. He paid a lot.
you are absolutely correct in that no one in his right mind builds an elevated workshop because of the sheer effort of dragging everything up stairs . ...but because the guy would winge at everything in life anyway... he didnt have enough brain cells to do a background check on the builder first and he is just another person that wants it "NOW" after waiting years....
I got a TuffShed from Home Depot, 40% off including delivery.. 100% satisfied. Love the metal base. I set up a "foundation" (railroad ties, all leveled). Driver backed up, tilted, pulled out and was done. said it was the easiest drop off he ever had, and that after lots of rain.
i called H & H ordered a 20x20 Shed. they sent me a flyer to indicate what I had to do to be ready for a shed. it consisted of a reinforced concrete slab that had to be true to an inch or two above ground. I hired a contractor for that job he brought out a bobcat. I picked a shaded area and so that was that. Notified the H&H sales that the slab had cured and was ready to build. put half in cash in hand upon ordering; picked a calendar date for construction. Nothing fancy two 52" doors and one small window. When the day came I was answering my door at 5:30 already 85 degrees. The package was delivered by 6 AM. just within 15 minutes lots of people showed up all complaining about something but not to me. i sat in a chair within the close area filming. The boss(?) came over to say i left no room for them to work on the sides. After I gave him a copy of the work order, he says wrong paperwork was sent to me... He never said anything else to me. By 11:30 only the metal frame was complete and down to two work people. I brought out a metal planter full of mixed soft-drinks and a trash can. Then the lunch arrived for them. Suddenly siding went up, my new doors were hinged to swing even and the roofing was started all metal and build strong. The self appointed boss came over around 5 PM said he was sorry for his attitude, they had worked the day before at the opposite side of the state and had only gotten the order the night before. He said they normally only worked 10 hour days but they would finish me that late afternoon. they really appreciated the refreshments. All done at sunset 7PM. The boss came to me for the final payment and i gave him two envelopes. One was the bill; the other was to have dinner on me. That shed became my wood shop and stood until a tornado flattened it. on that same slab now sits a smaller replacement that came on a truck and slid right into place.
I got a Smithbuilt metal shed as a small storage room for backyard projects. Decent price and slides into yard on runners. Would do it again. Still smells new inside 5 years later . Also made it through a few hurricanes and high winds.
I went with a Derksen 12 x 24 lofted cabin. Love it! Delivered and set up in under an hour by one guy driving the truck. It's now my "deer cabin" in the Ozarks.
We ordered our shed from the local Mennonites who builds them in their factory/ barn and then delivers and installs into the spot you want it. We got to special order it to the dimensions and colors we wanted and the guy came out to our property to see how it would be installed in case they would have to bring it and install in a few pieces. They were a few hundred dollars less than our local Home Depot and we got to help support a small Mennonite community and get exactly what we wanted. Best service too!
Don't use Lowe's to install hardwood floors in your home either. Here's my sad tale of woe.. We bought hardwood floors with baseboard and trim to cover just under 1200 square ft. They tear up carpet day one and begin to install the floors. I notice multiple things wrong: 1. There are gaps large enough to stick a Morgan silver dollar between boards (about the width of 2 quarters). 2. They did not tear out old shoe mold trim. 3. There are 1" gaps from the old trim to the floor they're installing. 4. They installed quarter round molding on top of the pre-existing shoe molding. I immediately brought it to their attention and the guy that spoke broken English told me, "I do floors, I know what I do. It right. You not know." So I showed him the 'do it yourself - how to install wood floors on youtube by Lowes'. I told them some choice words and told them to leave. After bouncing back and forth between calling the store, corporate and the place that employs the floor installers, Lowes decides its best to refund me (this whole process took about 8 months, meanwhile 75% of my home is subflooring). So they come out and tear out what floor they installed and told us, "good luck". We then told them they can't leave us without flooring and their "good trusted guys" caused damage to my home and furniture (instead of picking stuff up and moving it, they chose to drag/scoot it across carpet) they also decided my walls needed some fist-sized holes. The store manager at Lowes told me, "not my problem". I made it his problem and took him to small claims court. We sued and won by default (they failed to show). I now boycott Lowes. They are the worst.
I built a nice big extension on my cousin's house, they came out to put down the fake hardwood flooring and put the underlayment upside down on the concrete floor. 2000 sq. ft of warped flooring less than 3 months later.
Real nice, make04 04make. You sound like a real pro yourself with the childish name calling. I don't think anyone wants a "Pro" with an attitude like yours in or around their house!
my step dad and his dad b4 him dinstalled hardwood flooring. for a living and pop passed this skill onto his kids grandkids and a bun-h of family friends. .. then work finally slacked off due to bad economy and his health got really bad so he retired and we all went on to different lines of work
What do you expect when you didn't level the site? The contractor is not going to do it for you and if you had leveled the site; the build would have taken less time to do
The cinder blocks should have a cap block under each one so they won't sink into the ground. The way they are now the dirt goes up into the holes and allows the blocks to sink. Frank
Also metal or hard plastic plates between the blocks and the wood to keep moisture from wicking into the timbers. I used some of those 1/4 in. white plastic cutting boards on mine.
tubularguynine this is an awesome tip! My cabin is being delivered this month, and i will get some of those plastic boards for the blocks. I ordered cap blocks to sit on the ground, and put base rock down under that for foundation and drainage. Hope im going about this correctly, im a girl, dont have experience in these matters!
Yeah like a dumbass i put my 8 inch block with the holes facing down and yes my barn sank,very good tip frank,on my new barn I poured a foundation, that jewel aint going nowhere
I bought a 12 X 15 shed at Home Depot almost 20 years ago and built it myself. They are extremely easy to build, I would not have paid good money to have someone else do something that is so easy.
I have build shed's for over 18 year's. I will start with the price they charged you for the shed of that size was a good deal. As you said you was there helping the guy stand the walls. He build the walls the way they always do. But you knew that you paid for 16" oc. It might not of been on his order the right way and that does happen when you have a sales person take the order then he gives to someone else to process the order and they send it to the company who then gives it to a person getting the order ready to go. Then the builder who should of went over the order with you on the phone before he ever left the shop. So you can see all the places that it could go wrong and did. As for the 4x4's the floor joists should be nailed to them if so the 4x4 will never move. As far as the Foundation it is fine on the block as I have build hundreds of them in Tennessee on the side of a hill and they are still there year's later. As for the help your builder might have needed it but I could have build that shed in two days without any body else helping did it many times. There is thing's that I saw that was bad on the shed that you missed and are happy with so I will not say anything about them. But the biggest thing that I want to say is that Lowe's did all they could to make you happy. They give you a 2,000 dollar refund which means you only paid for the material used to build the shed. You was happy with it when you walked out of Lowe's you got a 5 thousand dollar shed for 3 thousand. But you had to go to your u-tube acc and make a post so that you could make some more money off of it! So with all of this being said there was some mistakes made. But in my eye's you are the one in the wrong you are one of those people who just want something for free and not happy when people bend over backwards to do it. I am just happy that it was not me that had to work for you on this shed!!!!!
I don’t understand how the contractors poor work translates into boycotting the manufacturer of the shed from both THD & Lowes? Did I miss something about the material quality of the shed?
O would have used a local shed builder from a mennonite/Amish community nearby. Home depot and Lowe's are about that bottom dollar, hence the crackpot contractor!
I live in Texas and after shopping for a shed but after all the crazy high prices I decided to build my own. 12 ×18 double floor and 18 inch centers 2 windows and 2 gallons of paint it cost me 950 dollars.
@@steverone7623 if you have a friend that does carpenter work and gets bulk discount on his supplies you can get yours with one of his jobs and just pay him. 2 by 4 here are 4 dollars as well but I let my friend purchase with his contractors discount as well as his bulk discount and they were 1.98 each
Well, the prices for the same thing vary in different areas. An example would be this shower filter Model # SL2-CM-R. At Home Depot in zipcode 01201 (Pittsfield, MA) is $17.98, The exact same shower filter in zipcode 20018 (Washington DC) is $18.88. This is called a FREE MARKET, presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter tried to fix prices during their term in office and it didn't work. Here is the article if you have time: tinyurl.com/yct9yodj
Yes I built one for a friend. She was mad at me first, because I had made the floor stronger, by adding 3 big beems under floor. 12' 4"×6"s plus I used like 10 to 12 new 2"×4"s cut to 10' for the floor instead off the some 20 5' 2"×4" split in the center of floor. Other than that, it wasn't to bad. I almost lost a friend because of it. But now she sees the reason for the extra lumber. The foundation floor is the key for it to be strong. She is now very happy with the shed, but not the price so much. The kit is mostly good, except the foundation floor. But it can be done right with a little bit more experience.
Dallas TX here, I helped my friends build a lowe's shed and we had many of the exact same problems. After weeks of struggling to read the horrible instructions and building parts and pieces only to find significant portions missing, we were finally able to complete it. It would have been MUCH cheaper and MUCH faster to simply build one from scratch. I will NEVER buy a lowe's or home depot shed. I don't think it even matters what region of the country you're in.
If u had any clue on how to build anything you would realized sheds are very simple builds. People that don’t know jack about building should stick to what they know and leave the building to a professional and quit winning and blaming others for their Inadequacy’s
I watched this video over a year ago and then decided I'd have to build my own. Tomorrow I put on the roof panels. I already know what I'd do different the second time, but this video helped me decide to take the plunge and try building it myself. I'm determined to succeed, I don't care if I have to tear the thing apart and start over. This video convinced me to do it myself, thank you.
I am a retired commercial project manager with hands on experience which is rare. I was a project scheduler, coordinator, superintendent and estimator on many, many multi million dollar jobs for years. After retiring I built everything on my farm including two residences by myself including all plumbing and electrical. Don't be dismayed by most of the comments below. Those wanna be people can't build a shed that size any cheaper than you paid unless they do all the labor themselves. The following is meant to be helpful but is not meant as an absolute guide since I don't control the site or the ways, means or methods; but is offered as typical construction methods sometimes used in the industry. If you take reasonable steps your shed will likely do well. Most of the following should have been done pre and during initial construction of your shed. Put steel or wooden strap ties on all the beam sills under the building. I like to add long treated 2x4 or 2x6 tie plates to the inside of each sill joint that extend a few feet on either side of splices. I fasten them with several 16d galvanized common nails or with hex head lag bolts. Use hurricane anchors to tie your building down. The same kind approved for mobile homes will do nicely. If there are no spread footer concrete pads under those cinder blocks add them one at a time. To do this support the building near a single pier one at a time in a safe manner, remove the existing blocks of a single pier and prepare and pour reinforced spread footings sufficient not to sink into the ground on your type soil. I pour mine 18" square but I have extremely tight clay based soil. Your pads may have to be much larger. Make sure the pads are thick enough to go several inches into the subsoil so that they will not slide. This requires some excavation. After the spread footer concrete cures at least 7 days (or as needed) reinstall the blocks and fill same with concrete. Strap the sill beans to the finished piers once the concrete cures. Safety is Paramount in this tedious process as is patience since your progress will be slow doing one pier at a time until completion. Do all the outer piers first to avoid working under the building. When you do the center beam do not remove anything already in place. Add additional piers as described and then consider whether it is safe to rework the pier at the sill joints. That is your highest risk danger area. Most of this work is required because your building is on higher than average piers that are not a uniform height. Its a good idea to add metal plates between the sills and cinder block piers to block termite infestation and to help prevent decay. Be careful using jacks and necessary shoring as you could cause something to slip off a pier or topple. If this is beyond your expertise or experience level hire a professional foundation company or contractor. If your budget allows they will jack-up the entire building all at once, shore it and then perform the steps I spoke of. The building itself is not the highest quality but it will do if you take care of it and take at minimum the suggestions I offered. Incidentally, it is NEVER wise to place any structure in place prior to building sound foundation piers or foundation structure ahead of time. The work I describe would have cost at least $2,000 in labor plus materials before the building ever arrived. There are no short cuts in quality construction. In my opinion this current installation is very sub standard and in my opinion places the commercial seller at high risk liability if same blows away, overturns, slides or slips off it's piers. Keep your film handy in case there is a need to litigate. Consult an attorney for help, advice or to find the time duration and limits of legal recourse. Hope this reassures and helps you.
Smokey Bear you must really have nothing to do if you critique someone helping their fellow man to properly fix a terrible problem. Poor fellow suffers from bad judgement and little experience. Get a life. And yes, I wrote 34 published books to date, play piano, I am a licensed pilot, a professional artist, chess player, farmer, member of Architects and Engineers for 911, an ASME Level II Pressure Vessel and Welding Inspector, Field Engineer, Model Builder and I have been married to the same lady for 46 years, beat that moron.
Smokey Bear , Jesus died for you and me so that we can believe on Him and have everlasting life. Jesus arose from the grave after three days to walk amongst us before He ascended to heaven. Jesus told us if we do not believe that He is the Son of God than we should believe the miracles because many saw them including when He raised Lazuras from the dead. I hope you do not think Jesus waisted His life or wasted time because Jesus died even for His enemies which are many.
@Smokey Bear > I'm looking at your name, then I'm looking at the name of the uploader. No match. Then reading the first 6 lines of his post, I see he's clearly addressing the uploader. Not you. I didn't read the entire post. Know why? It was pretty dense. But I don't begrudge it because it seemed to be jam pack with information I would want if I were stuck in the same situation as the uploader. You suffer from narcissism. Maybe your time would be better spend perusing those videos.
I agree with Thad, this shed could have been built from scratch for LESS than half the price. As well, always take the time/cost to lay a concrete pad... The shed will never move. The method I have used on 3 different sheds now, is drilling/concreting 6 4x4 posts in a rectangle and building the shed around them.. That way the concrete pad is completely leveled and the structure is solid as hell. I also split the pad in two with a 2x4 in the middle so that the pad doesn't crack.
Well, this is not the end of the world. 1) The block piers should have at least footings. This can be retrofitted, but it will be awkward to do. Over time, some of the blocks will heave with frost, and some will sink. 2) The stud spacing of 24" on center is not so bad, especially if you intend to insulate (you mentioned that this was intended for a workshop) Fewer studs means less thermal bridging in the walls. If you are going to drywall, you should use 5/8" thick because of the larger spans for fastening the drywall. 3) There should be a drainage swale that keeps water from running down the hill and around the blocks. The earth around the blocks will get washed out eventually and cause settling for those worst affected. Hope things work out well going forward, but in general, the building looks not too shabby.
Wise advice on the block footings. Sinking blocks tend to have a domino effect. Cracked sheetrock, doors and windows bind and the roof can visibly sag. No footings is a huge mistake !
Don't use either for any install, for one everything is sub contracted out so Depot or Lowes make money off what they sell then whatever you have installed the contractor is hired by that company and they make money off of the install so everyone makes money but the contractors and not that it right but they short cut to help make money. What people fail to understand is if you have 5 things installed you'll be dealing with 5 different companies. Doing kitchens for depot the salespeople make more on a kitchen then we did, and they didn't have to have 1M liability ins license fees each year and drive a van that gets 12 mpg. In ending don't use any box store.
I agree. Their window guy was slapping windows in the house next door to one I was replacing windows in a few years ago. He asked me how I could take so much time when all I was making was $65 per opening. I told him we didn't do his volume and let it go at that. Of course, we had sold the job, guaranteed the workmanship, insured everything. Also, the ones we put in were high quality double hung, our trim was all hemmed, scribed and custom fit where he was slapping low end single hung in. I would love to know what the homeowners were paying for the "job" he did because we each made more than $65 per opening on that job.
Livereater00 no he doesn’t lol, he sounds like one of those customers who’ll give ya useless suggestions till your ears are bleeding lol. Someone who acts like they know the world after watching a RUclips tutorial
+Pat if I was him I would rather spend the extra money and built a metal building that can withstand Cat 5 wins or EF5 tornadoes and it will last over 100 years vs 20 years if you're lucky with wood.
I understand your frustrations! And I'm not wanting to criticize here but from both a former installer for those exact sheds, builder for my dad's she'd company for 12 years, and now a business owner perspective, here are some flags I see right off the bat: 1. Lowe's salesmen are not the most knowledgeable so we often have miscommunication, misleading info and are expected as builders to perform when they make u realistic promises. They may not know any better perhaps. 2. Yes, he should have gussetted the 4x4's together. Don't know what that's about but it will not effect the structural integrity of the building as the building only sits on them. 3.You should have levelled out the site with crushed concrete or crushed rock, especially on a drastic slope like that!The builder is NOT responsible for leveling out the site more than 6inches. Your builder went through a lot of extra UNPAID time and labor to do that for you. And all you can do is complain!? Plus covering up materials for rain! 4. 16"OC stud spacing was likely an oversight and lack of communication on Lowe's or branch office end same thing with generator. Happens a lot with Lowe's salesmen. 5. It's completely reasonable to build a shed like that by yourself in 8-10 hours start to finish, Ive built em all over the country.....but that site! That's any builder's nightmare and I say he did a great job with what he had. 6. Please don't blame him for not "hiring" another helper overnight. Do you know how hard it is to find reliable help who won't complain and is willing and able to do labor intensive work? 7. The shed pay is designed for a 1 man operation so to make it worth having a helper....hence the one man shows up to build alone,...is very difficult unless you can find one who works as hard as you do. Think about it, driving an hour one way....all that fuel and time that you need to pay out but are not seeing any extra money for. Of course we'd love to get paid more but I reckon they're to busy giving customers back $2k so there just ain't enough money left to be given to the builders. Lol 8.in essance, you got a heck of a deal and you should be happy with it! Maybe apply the Golden rule and tip the builder. At minimum, give him a good rating on the survey. Mathew 7:12
Joe, that is without a doubt the worst job of building a shed I have ever seen. Someone is going to have to relevel that thing, get all the extra work done and do the finish. Lowe’s should be ashamed of themselves.
Why should Lowe's be ashamed? All they did was supply the building materials. It's up to the assembler to make sure they all work and put together correctly.
Lowe’s name is on it but they don’t give 2 shits about any that. You ever talked to one of the store “managers” hahahah they are just longtime employees that were able to come to come to work on time for a full year. Tards
This was the homeowners fault not lowes. The homeowner was responsible to have a proper foundation to put the shed on not lowes. If there had been a proper foundation the other problems wouldn't exist.
Wrong. The shed is fine. Cheap Lowe's parking lot shed but what did this guy expect? Some hillbilly Ozark shed installer is going to be able to pour a level foundation or set piers with no electricity.
Hello Mr. Fox. I'm not sure what is available in the Ozarks but in several of the states I've been in there are insulated panel buildings. They are very strong, extremely well insulated and are not as expensive as stick built buildings. If you can get the panels and have them the edges routed so they will interlock it's really easy to build one your self. All the panels are 22 inches wide and come in different lengths. The 84 inch length are $6.48 each. Thank you and all veterans for serving our country.
Wow, the local Home Depot here said they would not build a shed unless a properly leveled space was available. From the Home Depot web site: "Q: What should I do to prepare the site prior to your arrival? A: We do require the construction area to be cleared and prepared to within 6" of level (front left, back to front), that we have at least 3' of clearance around and above the building site (4 feet if your building is larger than 160 sq. ft.). We also ask you to place four stakes in the ground where you want the four corners of your building and a fifth stake where you would like the center of the door opening. We will also need access to electricity within 150 feet of the unit and unobstructed access to carry your materials to the building site. We will take care of the rest!" "we do have the ability to construct your Handy Home building on an existing slab provided the slab is level within 1/2" and appropriately sized. Because of the individual nature of each slab, please contact us to determine if your slab meets our specifications. Due to the additional installation labor and extra materials needed to properly secure the shed to your slab, there is no reduction in overall price. Q: Can my shed be installed on piers, etc? A: Yes, but we do not recommend it. We suggest that all sheds be built on concrete slabs or use solid cement blocks."
I feel ya. that's why I had huston yoder build mine, (yes he is amish) it has a 2x6 frame with a metal roof, marine plywood. payed the same as your original price. it is 22 ft with a 6 ft porch, 6 ft loft and 5 ft loft in the rear. I am very pleased with this. I live in ohio . just putting that out for people who live here. good luck in the future pastor joe.
what part of ohio...i am in southern ohio and am thinking of building a 10 by 24 pole barn type lean to structure...and then i am going to build a passive solar greenhouse on the south facing side of the building...
You have cinder blocks sitting on grass. You will be fighting tipping and settling for longer than the life of the shed. Sounds like you will be adding a lot of weight above, and living in it, so weight will always be shifting. Put a better foundation under it, and strap all butts and posts. As it stands now, a strong windstorm will have it falling off and collapsing. You really need some concrete pilings, to secure it in place. Nothing is holding your cinder blocks, and therefore, your structure.
I've been shopping for one too. I want one I can turn into living quarters. But this has got me wondering who to get to help me do it. If I hire help when they work I'm under foot. Start to finish. I may be annoying but when the smoke clears I'm the one who paid for it and get stuck with the bill and the end result
Be weary with the particular Amish family you hire. Just because they have a good rep doesn't mean there aren't bad eggs. We've had an extremely expensive bad home remodel and roof job done that was botched $65000 worth of remodel and shit was half assed to the max.
Around here, that shed would be about 7980 USD. BUT that includes a 4 pain transom window over the door not the small one, 2x residential medium sized dual pain windows with screens, and a residential glass door with key lock. Pre-built, where you can inspect before delivery, painted and colored shingles. there are TONS of better companies then Lowes if you are buying sheds.
Would have been money ahead to have an actual contractor put it up. They would have included excavation of the sight in the estimate. That shed more than likely have been put up for what Lowes charged for the kit.
As a former contractor, I am appalled by this behavior. Unacceptable!!! The customer is always right!!! If they order 16" centers you make them 16" centers, period. You don't show up to a job without your crew or your tools..... I always had a list of extra people to call just in case I needed help at the last minute, or buddies that had specialty tools I didn't have. Generator was on the truck all the time; along with the torch. How do these people stay in business??? That block placement is very scary..... Are LOWES or HOME DEPOT going to pay someone's widow if the shed falls on top of their spouse when they are under the shed repairing the faulty construction a subcontractor did???
Moving On I disagree that the customer is always right. That mentality costs consumers millions every year due to “customers” buying something and returning it at the end of the season and many other scams every day. Unfortunately the contractor that showed up was a complete idiot from the sounds of it and the customer didn’t get what he paid extra for.
They stay in business because when you go in there and buy something it has a 400% markup on it, Lowe's has become full of Chinese crap. They operate exactly the same as Walmart... Not rocket science... use your fucking brain.
Scratching my head wondering why the build was started without all of the workers and prepaid items not present. Step 1. Go over the order and schedule with the contractor.
If your doing that kind of renovations to this new shed....why didn't you build a quality one from the beginning at a fraction of the cost & at substantially better quality. I'm in Massachusetts & those POS sheds don't stand up to the elements. Within a few years they have major issues.
I built my 12x20 for 1800 myself,still think he got a deal?,mine is 16 inch on center and I put a foundation under mine not those shitty 8s and solid 4s on the ground,now thats not counting the 40 yr warranty metal roof but my dude here has some shingles,I dare say my metal roof will be there when im dead and gone
I would of insisted they refund ALL of your money and take it back. Chances are they would of refunded all of the money and let you keep it anyway just to cut their losses.
Sorry about your experience. I just had my 10X16 Amish shed delivered and it looks great. It has a steel roof, double doors and two windows with shelving. It was a 6 month old repo for 2600$. No tax
here's what ya want to doo. put down 6 mill plastic then cover it with gravel you want to dig down 2 feet or as deep as you can where your support blocks are going and fill it with gravel and put down a double thick patio stone on your gravel then put 2 or 3 cider blocks level on your patio stone. i would go 34 inches or more if you want to use the crawl space for storage or if you ever wanna add plumbing. more space also helps with airflow for moisture. you can skirt it if you want to use it for storage or just to keep it cleaner under there. You now have a good level moisture proof base that wont shift with the freeze and thaw of the ozarks brutal winters or swamp ape gas
This is only partially the workers fault. He is probably getting paid piecemeal. He may have to deal with an incompetent office staff that doesn’t know how to schedule. A sales staff that says whatever the customer wants to hear and a company that undervalued his trade and just tells him to work faster. It may cost more but hiring an independent tradesman keeps the money where it should be. Not in greedy corporate hands. Just like cabinets. Sure you can go to ikea and get nice cheap cabinets that last you a year or two. It puts a local cabinet maker out of work though.
The installer sounds like a trunk slammer. Who would leave OSB out over the weekend with rain on the way? It sounds like this was their first shed they put together but you’re entitled to your opinion.
You are right yrs ago my parents bought a 2 story from home depo and it’s was built on their property and omg in just about a month the nails were all popping out of the walls and walls were bowing out so we had to climb ladder and put screws in and do lots of repairs to protect what was inside- not worth it at all
"Foundation"? Ha! 'Fraid my imagination's not that good...or maybe it's my aging eyesight. But I'm just not able to visualize anything worthy of that description in this video.
I would have used some old car rims lol every time I see a shed up on Cinder block I think what a hack. my shed was prefab and built like a Rock. it rests on 4 inch's of 3/4 crushed stone with a sheet of Geotech under it to prevent weeds and has landscaping timbers boxing it in . I did the prep work for the shed they just rolled it into place still looks good after 10yrs. to spend all that money to have it built and be Lazy with the prep work just does not make any sense. that shed will turn to crap in no time but then again its built like crap in the first place so not much waiting
My wife had Lowe's send out a contractor to build a wooden fence for her horses. Long story short, within a month after the fence was installed its about to fall down. It's not straight or level, they didn't even sink the post below the frost line... and it has to be completely redone.
Had similar experience with Lowes they lost my order after I played for delivery customer service was next to nothing cost me a ton extra time and money had contractors waiting me looking like a fool....never again Lowes
Always had a nightmare experience with Lowes...they just don't care. They do not honor their warranties. Try to use the lifetime warranty on hand tools, LMFAO! I'm actually stunned you got ANY compensation from Lowes. Stunned!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I started out looking at the 16x16 two story from home depot. Then after doing a lot of price shopping and looking at the building kits from Menards I decided I would rather spend a bit more and get something far better. It is a good thing you built this when you did.. After Covid the prices of these sheds has more than doubled.
My 1st shed was a Morgan building. It's all steel except the floor and floor supports. But, I bought that back in like 2009 or 10, and that building is still standing, and looks pretty close to the day I bought it. The guys who came out and assembled it, were great, professional and got it done in the 1 day I gave them to do it in. I had a guy who builds sheds, carports etc for a living build my last 16x16 and again, it's never been an issue after 7 years of use. Lowes and HD are NOT where you go to buy a work shed....
They charge way too much for those sheds, with the minimal amount of wood, cheapest roofing material and hardware. I could build a shed twice as sturdy and solid, and build the whole thing with screws for way cheaper than Lowes even after charging someone for the Labor.
Yeah but when you use 4 or 5 together they pull tight and create a team of solidness. I built my sheds, and both my decks with screws. Way more solid. Nails back out all the time.
Just built a 12x8' shed from a kit I bought at HD. All Materials cost me about $1400, including the shed kit. Took me 9 days, working alone. And I am slow. But I got several quotes for close to $3000. Good thing I'm retired.
I had a similar experience, but not with HD/Lowes. It was one of those rent to own sheds. Instead of building the thing on my property, they hauled it on a really neat trailer. The build quality was so bad...snow drifts through the main and side door. Side door is crooked. The door locks break within days or even the first use. They did not even level my shed, I had to. At least I got 16" OC studs. The next shed, I decided to do myself and I can see the difference in quality (even though it's my first time doing anything like this). Doing it myself saved me at least a $1500 and I get the satisfaction of DIY.
Unfortunately this is the way most spec homes are built also. Get in get out, get paid as little as the contractor will give you. get it done yesterday pay you in 90 days
@@PlateletRichGel in the Building Trades there is three things to choose from ,speed quality, and price. If you're lucky you get two of the three, usually one so it's up to you what type of construction you have done. If you want speed and price you don't get quality, if you want speed and quality you don't get price. If you want quality and price you don't get speed. Usually the thing that brings illegals, meth-heads, drunks, crackheads, non reliable no-shows is choosing price only.
you forgot bullshit. That you get plenty of for free. A few things I've learned. I ask guys. "What are you best at?" If they say "I'm good at everything.", It means they're good at nothing.
A friend of mine had a workplace accident years ago and got a decent settlement unfortunately he bought a spec house in a new development. Within a year or two he needed to replace -not repair -replace the roof turns out that they didn't use tar paper just nailed shingles on plywood. All kinds of plumbing and septic issues and to top it all off needed his house rewired by a real electrician. when all was said and done he could have had a house custom made.
Thanks for the heads up. This is a purchase we plan to make this year and now I need to do some real homework to find the good guys. Thank you so much.
Wouldn't have been better to level the area to a certain point with trap rock and compacted, then build on that or have some footings down below the frost line ?
Dude, what the hell are you doing? It looks like crap! Those 4x4 joints need to end at a 2x. Allowing the building to be built at that height is ridiculous. 1500 would be too much. God bless.
Sure am glad my sons-in-love loves me. He built my 12×24 "Little House" in 3 days from the ground up. I paid for lumber and tin roof stuff. Best Christmas present ever.
whoa.... no offense but dude, you got screwed. husband and I built a 12x24 with 12 ft ceilings and an 8x12 loft with huge windows and doors for less than $2500.... yikes..... whenever we are at home depot I always shake my head wondering who the heck would ever pay such a price for one of those crap shacks....
Yeah, build it yourself, save money and do it right. I built a 10x14 fully finished standalone home office 2yrs ago for $7000, which included bamboo flooring, 2x6 exterior walls, 8ft ceiling, insulation, textured drywall, entry door and three windows, door/window trim and molding, electrical, lighting, RJ-45 ethernet wiring, cable TV, electric heater, pier block foundation, front porch and fiber cement siding.
Right! I would have also set this hog on a slab! People got the money so they pay the price .... learn a lil and save some of that hard Earned money and build with confidence
The lowes near me specifically said that the area needs to be level and preferably a crushed stone base. This contractor shouldn't even started the job. My shed was set up on a level surface and is fine.
I agree. The guy installing the shed may have been new or the customer just said oh well, but yes level ground is a good starting point.
@@derfskittlers6125 if the company hires someone that new to install a shed.... It's gonna be a disaster.
I learned about gravel base foundation about 45years ago as a twelve year old..🤠
Framer of 30 years here, I used to enjoy putting in a hard days work then sit back and and enjoy looking at what I built but today's industry is cookie cutter technology where every trade's wages are based on volume and production. You get in, slap together what you're paid to do in as little time as possible then run to the next job. Feel lucky your contractor spoke english.
The Soggy Cheeseburger Incident
Electrician out side of Tucson Arizona. know all about it all too well
The Soggy Cheeseburger Incident No one cares about quality in our disposable society. They certainly don't want to pay for it either, therefore you get what you pay for
John Johnson . And out here the GC'S make 1,000,000.00$ on a cookie cutter junk house while the tradesmen are on well fair to scrape by because people will undercut you on every turn. Mostly people who have no busines doing the job in the first place. Build the wall !
Amen, Paul. I'm an Electrician. I've seen it too.
stop working for contractor's period. work for HOME OWNERS
I bought a shed from Home Depot 3 years ago and had it installed by their contractor. The shed materials and contractor services were provided by Tuff Shed. A DIY was impossible due to shoulder injury and subsequent surgery.
The shed is well built, sturdy, attractive, functional, and we are 100% satisfied.
I contracted through a friend for the slab installation, and Tuff Shed built the shed atop my slab.
I'd do it again. My only 'complaint' is that I should have bought a bigger shed. I under-guessed how much shtuff I'd be accumulating!
yes, Tuff Shed is awesome....
$5,600 could buy you two shipping containers, level your lot, and put some type II down under them. I'd have them come pick that shed up before it falls off the blocks.
In my area.. that would barely get one.
Jacob w
In Eastern Oregon I asked the container guy in my area what my 20' container was worth. He said mine was worth about $1,200 to him, and $1,900 on the retail market here. Generally, the closer you live to somewhere where they stack up with no return load, (deadheaded) the cheaper they are.
Wade Wilson
I've worked around the trucking industry throughout my career, so guess I don't know any better as the doors don't bother me. I kinda like them, because they are about as secure as anything, and not even spiders get in them. Oh, and just for the record, I'm not an advocate or salesman in any way for containers...just sharing my thoughts. Mine has paid for itself over the years in saved storage fees, and it's worth more now than what I paid for it.
Here in NM.. its between $3400 and $4500.
Gotta agree with Jacob, i live in NM, though I've also seen them go or as high as 6000 in NM.. NM is great at ripping people off though as I've seen shipping containers go for as low as 600 in CA..
Respectfully, it sounds like your problem was with the sub contractor. I have a shed from Home Depot and its dang near bomb proof. It's been moved 3 times on my property, remains sturdy and still ready for years of service.
For starters, I believe you needed to provide a good foundation (site preparedness) for a shed this size. That is not Lowe’s or Home Depot’s fault. If I were the contractor, I’d have you sign a disclaimer.
I agree.
It looks to me that all the problems with the supports for the shed were the buyers problem - the contractor was meant to build the shed not provide the level base on which the shed was to be built.
that's not how the shed purchases usually work, at least from watching many of the installers lately as I'm looking to do an off grid building. Every single one I've watch has done blocks, etc, by far this is the worst one I've seen.
@@DougRowan_photographyhave you installed before?
@@jay6846 pretty sure my comment stands with all the info needed.
Hate to say it, but after one winter with soggy ground, that shed is going to be lopsided as hell.
Looks lopsided now.
it may level out, lopsided now
who are you kidding this guy doesn't have a license to lose lol
top RAHmen it’s not the builders fualt. Most mistakes where done by the shed company.
@@crunch9876 you cannot say that foundation is not the builders fault..
sitting on cinder blocks no tie downs .. you'll be lucky if the thing doesn't fall off the blocks the first windy day
It needs to be anchored down. Also, add some heavy duty mending plates where the 4x4s are just loosely butted together.
Your cinder block is not stable. Correct this first. Better to have the shed on level ground.
What kind of soil is it sitting on? How much rain do you normally get? I can't believe you spent that much money for something that is so flimsy a good stiff breeze would wipe it out!
Better fill it up before it gets windy!!! Need to weigh that thing down!
Those are CEMENT blocks. Cinder blocks are made from cinder and are obsolete
Most of the problems you described were contractor problems.
interesting points ,if anyone else trying to find out backyard storage sheds plans try *WoodBlueprints. Com* Ive heard some decent things about it and my colleague got cool success with it.
Lowe's supplied the guy, it is their issue. Which would be why he got $2k refunded to him.
I’ve had tons of issues with lowes and their contractors. Seems like they hire any fool with a tool
@@jimmynoname4089 Well this is how they keep costs down. You get what you pay for.
I work for the Home Depot. I've met our installers, and this doesn't surprise me. Lol
It's better to just build it yourself. You save tons more and it'll be built way better (assuming you're any good at building).
J G
Depends on whether or not I took a shit that day.
you mean you USED to work for them.....lmao
A little sweat save a ton of cash.
*gets fired next day for agreeing*
The problem is people r too lazy to find out how to build one themselves . n on top of that they don't want to do the labor themselves
The cinder block Foundation should've been a big sign to stop and rethink it through
Right! It definitely needs to be at least a footer with concrete below the frost line. The way the builder didn't splint the joists together or properly support them in spots is scary. Definitely wouldn't want to be in it for fear of it coming apart.
yup, stop right there, "hey Lowes come get this POS".
Not coming to Lowes defense by no means, but if done properly it can be built on cinderblocks and be solid. NOT this building. Lowes and Home Depot contract with certain outfits, these outfits then go and find a contractor who then goes out and finds the cheapest crews they can to do the work. So by the time someone actually shows up at your door Lowes or HD doesnt have a clue who they are. If that isnt bad enough think about the money you could have saved if you would have just gone out and found a crew yourself. Anytime you go through Lowes or HD theres at least two middle men who are getting paid for nothing.
Welcome to the trailer park!
@canuckguy worried I didnt say this particular building was right. I said it could be done properly.
I thought you helped him put up the walls, 24” centers instead of 16” centers. Why didn’t you stop it then?
Exactly sounds fishy to me...
He hired a "My Toy Store" to get this. LOL
Don't pay him no attention
People who have to put Pastor after their name make me think of up to no good right away.
Better yet, why didn't you pour a level slab first, if you wanted it perfect? You let him put it on little stilts
You could have bought the shed pre-built had somebody delivered on the foundation that you built and it would have been done in just a few hours.
Your first mistake was to not immediately refuse the man access to your property the moment he showed up with his tale of woe, and then contact the company from whom you purchased the shed to request a full and immediate refund. You, my friend, decided to slide down someone else's SlipperySlope (tm, patent pending). Also, the moment you lend one finger of your own to assist him, the question of liability becomes a prohibitively-expensive court battle rather than a given, as do any (often bogus) injury claims. Never a good idea.
Yea... It's all a cash grab
yup, its no secret that they contract these out to the lowest bidder, and you can expect that kind of work too, when the margins are razor thin. He paid $5400 for a 12x18 shed, fully built. If I wanted a garage that size, it would cost me $8500 or more. He should have told the contractor that his tale of woe is not acceptable, and to take it all back.
Praise the LORD brother
Well they had a $2,000 slop factor.
He obviously has a big heart. Most of us probably would have done the same, even if it's not the smartest move.
Would have been much better if you would have leveled the ground an had atleast 6 to 8 inches of gravel where it stands or a slab poured.
That sort of thinking process is too hard for him.
Gotta put something substantial between the shed and diet or you're just asking for problems.
Those cinder block pillars look like a tragedy suspended in mid drama.
the homeowner did this foundation...
Moral of the story, if you want something done, do it yourself.
Scott Kribs Or Hire illegal aliens and Call imigration on them when it comes time to pay them!
Lowes is there to help you do it your self, lol.
Nope. I getting me the Juan man. Not racist
Or tell your kids not to do it.
Jon MacDonald what is wrong with people like you
I purchased a Tuff Shed from Home Depot in Vancouver WA 11 years ago. The installation went well and I have been happy with the shed over the years. Solid investment.
That shed needs to be totally removed and a REAL foundation put in place and then put back.
relax superdave theres many easy ways to remedy thisl
With that Foundation your problems are just starting good luck
I was thinking the same thing - especially for a shed of that size, why was there zero ground prep and leveling for this shed? Cluster all around.
Just jack one end up, support it, dig and pour foundation pillars and then do same to other half. No need to move whole thing for that, though jack ass probably did shitty job on panel install, so maybe add some screws just in case.
Jack it up
Hilarious! The ad before the video was Home Depot!
Mine was menards hahaha
what ads??
The ad before I watched was Joe Biden
This owner lives off grid and complains that the installer needs electricity. Usually it is the owner that provides electricity, but if they can't then the contractor will bring a generator - at the cost of the owner. That's a fairly normal business practice when you buy a shed from a retailer.
The foundation, slope, and grade is usually the owner's responsibility. The big retailers I'm aware of specifically do not include the foundation, and they will only work with about a 4" slope in any direction, which isn't a lot when you're looking at a big shed like this. Even if not buying from a big retailer, a builder will require additional cost in order to purchase/rent an excavator and Bobcat to regrade and re-pack the ground (at which point it will need to sit and settle for at least several days, if not 2+ weeks).
The builder-contractor tried to work with the owner in terms of scheduling. He even offered to try to do much of it by himself as much as possible, which I think is commendable and still a bit unresponsible in terms of the retailer. At the end of the day, the contractor was only a few days behind schedule - possibly due to weather or other scheduling conflicts, or both. It's not uncommon for jobs to take longer than anticipated, even for simple builds like this.
Yikes. That is not a foundation. After some rain, that thing is gonna sink. Sorry to hear you went through this ordeal.
I thought the same thing, what is going to keep it from sinking?
It's supposed to sink. The whole thing will sink together and that part will eventually touch
Corey no it won't.
There will be differential settlement depending on rock/soil composition per pier.
In the Ozarks I would have rented an auger and dug holes for whatever the frost line is there and used a sonotube and concrete.
The foundation is the most important part of a building.
If it aint right, nothing else will ever be right.
LOL
Any body see cement between those cinder blocks?
That is a first rate of example of shoddy cowboy workmanship. That foundation is totally unacceptable, it's a hazard to life and limb. I hate to say this, but it needs to be completely redone... ASAP. Good luck and god bless.
I used to work for one of the big boxes. When ordering a shed you "should" be told that foundation area prep should be done before shed arrives. Then foundation won't be as big an issue.
Adam Harvey -- Absolutely!!!
@@TheRealJerseyJoe But a competent worker wouldn't have started a build until the site was prepped. As the purchaser of this train wreck, he should have seen the foundation problems when they were covering the deck before the rain and stopped the build before anything went on top of it.
We had a 36x60 barn and a 24x36 shop built in the cold month of December. 12 windows, 2 slider doors and a walk in door on the barn. 3 windows, 1 slider, 1 roll up and a walk in on the shop. It took 3 hard working Amish three days to complete both buildings. They arrived to the site (holes were drilled and inspected and all materials were dropped ahead of their arrival) with their own generator (even though we had power) and built 2 perfect pole buildings. THREE DAYS! *Pioneer Pole Buildings* in PA.
Barky Barker -- I agree completely !!!
My Dad was looking for one recently. Lowes and Home Depot stated clearly when you sign the Papers / Sale Contract... *The Foundation is your responsibilities!* They also NOTED that the Foundation *must be* Straight and Leveled and *done* before the Contractor doing your Shed. They also told my Dad that an 8'X6' doesn't need a Foundation. But small sheds can be rested on crushed stone with either treated wood foundations or concrete foundation blocks. *Large sheds* will need to have strong foundations.
This is crazy to see work like this done. I'm a carpenter and I struggle to find work because of people that do work like this. I take pride in my work.and doing it right and exallent. I may be a little more expensive than a sloppy handyman and a little less than a contractor, but when I do any work.its right and done right. God willing work will start coming my way one day I hope and pray.
I got mine from Home Depot. It’s been up several years now. The two gentlemen that built it were fantastic. From ground to bottom metal frame, floor, walls, ceiling to roofing, all done in about 5 hrs. Thing is, I remember that the foundation was MY RESPONSIBILITY.
10 YEARS AGO. I BOUGHT THE SAME SHED,16 OC, regular type roof, PRESSURE TREATED BASE/FLOOR, USED FOR $700 .HAD A TOW COMPANY PULL IT ONTO A FLATBED AND DELIVERED IT FOR $100. it was a,right place ,at the right time thing. i couldn't believe the tow guy just winched the whole thing right onto the truck used to haul cars.
First of all, from the first day, you were there watching the contractor build the shed and you didn't question his work until after he was finished. I would have sent him packing then. You have no right to complain now when you were helping him build it.
Clearly, I DO have a right. Lol
@@VikingPreparedness okay karen.
@@Requiemrexx How is he a karen?
@@philliplord6332 He's complaining when it was his fault in the first place as someone knowledgeable in the field.
You did have a right to question his work while he was there, because to me it sounds like he took advantage of you. That guy didn't sound like he was prepared when he got there which makes him sound unprofessional and that falls back on homedepot/lowes. The company's need to know about contractors doing people that way. If you as a consumer of their product should have stopped him corrected him on the mistakes(even though it's not your job to go behind someone and check his work, it is your product) and documented it, and if he wasn't willing to change it send him on his way.
Sadly, it won't take much rain for your building to fall off those blocks. At best it will slowly sink unevenly into the ground. I'm a 73 year old retired musician and I still build my own shops, sheds and now a new studio at my cabin in NC with my own two hands, and your building is exactly why I do it myself. I call in help when I need it (my son came in and helped me with the roof since at 73 I don't have the ankle strength to chance working that high up), but other than that, I do my own work or contracting. And yes, it takes a bit longer, but I'll know what I've got when I'm done. I'm from the "if it ain't level, square and plumb, you got problems" school of thought.
I wish I can do that at 73
Link to building my shop
ruclips.net/video/8W4_yePI__o/видео.html
I thought shed bases either rest on the ground via posts or a spiked shed base and can only be built like that guy did (just resting on blocks) if it is built on a pre-prepared flat foundation of concrete or slabs? Grass is his foundation? I agree with BirdYoumans I dont think that foundation is going to last, sadly I think you need to take the whole thing down and start again. If you can get 6 strong guys you might be able to just lift the whole thing off in one piece, fix the foundation and put it back
BirdYoumans I know by a life time of experience that "if you want a job done right the first time, do it yourself". There are much better and nicer things to pay $2,000.00 for, i would not have paid $20.00 for it, because of safety concerns.
We folks from N.C.know how to do these hard labor job's and can make something work when no one else can..North Carolina we invite a few good ole boy's and couple cases of beer and will have the whole job done and button up bye supper time..
You should of hired an old man wearing suspenders smoking White owl cigars. Then you would of got quality work done in one day.
Shoulda prayed harder...lol...
He would have been better off hiring a bunch of Amish people at least it would have been built well and could have stood at hurricane and a few tornadoes
Or he could stop being a cheap ass and hire quality workers
or a sub-GED know-it_all
I agree with you
these pillars will never do. take it down, DEATH TRAP.
I would not be crawling under that death trap!
@@JC-11111 - You must be the contractor who "built" this hahahahaha. It looks like a small gust of wind would make this fall.
Question: Why didnt you level out where the shed was gonna go before you had it built?
Ozark s...nuff said.
I’m with Erik on this one, ozark or not.
@@randywatts7085 he never paid for a prepped building site dumbass. He paid for a shed only
To be fair, professional installers/sellers should have prep information for buyers. People who don't know any better are the ones most likely to buy installation and would know nothing about it. And if there was an absence of prep-education for this guy (like an information sheet "before your shed is installed") maybe this guy expected it came with it. He paid a lot.
you are absolutely correct in that no one in his right mind builds an elevated workshop because of the sheer effort of dragging everything up stairs . ...but because the guy would winge at everything in life anyway... he didnt have enough brain cells to do a background check on the builder first and he is just another person that wants it "NOW" after waiting years....
I got a TuffShed from Home Depot, 40% off including delivery.. 100% satisfied. Love the metal base. I set up a "foundation" (railroad ties, all leveled). Driver backed up, tilted, pulled out and was done. said it was the easiest drop off he ever had, and that after lots of rain.
Bullshit
i called H & H ordered a 20x20 Shed. they sent me a flyer to indicate what I had to do to be ready for a shed. it consisted of a reinforced concrete slab that had to be true to an inch or two above ground. I hired a contractor for that job he brought out a bobcat. I picked a shaded area and so that was that. Notified the H&H sales that the slab had cured and was ready to build. put half in cash in hand upon ordering; picked a calendar date for construction. Nothing fancy two 52" doors and one small window. When the day came I was answering my door at 5:30 already 85 degrees. The package was delivered by 6 AM. just within 15 minutes lots of people showed up all complaining about something but not to me. i sat in a chair within the close area filming. The boss(?) came over to say i left no room for them to work on the sides. After I gave him a copy of the work order, he says wrong paperwork was sent to me... He never said anything else to me. By 11:30 only the metal frame was complete and down to two work people. I brought out a metal planter full of mixed soft-drinks and a trash can. Then the lunch arrived for them. Suddenly siding went up, my new doors were hinged to swing even and the roofing was started all metal and build strong.
The self appointed boss came over around 5 PM said he was sorry for his attitude, they had worked the day before at the opposite side of the state and had only gotten the order the night before. He said they normally only worked 10 hour days but they would finish me that late afternoon. they really appreciated the refreshments. All done at sunset 7PM. The boss came to me for the final payment and i gave him two envelopes. One was the bill; the other was to have dinner on me. That shed became my wood shop and stood until a tornado flattened it. on that same slab now sits a smaller replacement that came on a truck and slid right into place.
I got a Smithbuilt metal shed as a small storage room for backyard projects. Decent price and slides into yard on runners. Would do it again. Still smells new inside 5 years later . Also made it through a few hurricanes and high winds.
I tried to build my own shed but it ended up being a barn. My bad.
I went with a Derksen 12 x 24 lofted cabin. Love it! Delivered and set up in under an hour by one guy driving the truck. It's now my "deer cabin" in the Ozarks.
When I had a shed delivered I leveled the pad and put down stone before it was delivered. But what do I know.
Right.. this guy sounds like a Male KAREN!
We ordered our shed from the local Mennonites who builds them in their factory/ barn and then delivers and installs into the spot you want it. We got to special order it to the dimensions and colors we wanted and the guy came out to our property to see how it would be installed in case they would have to bring it and install in a few pieces. They were a few hundred dollars less than our local Home Depot and we got to help support a small Mennonite community and get exactly what we wanted. Best service too!
Sophia L south country sheds?
Sophia L Yup - I got mine from a group up in PA that did just that! Going on 10 years on a concrete slab with no issues!
That's real nice if you have such a firm around.
Mennonites can build anything lol
out of southern Oregon. Cant remember the name but the guy who helped us name is Enoch :D
Don't use Lowe's to install hardwood floors in your home either. Here's my sad tale of woe..
We bought hardwood floors with baseboard and trim to cover just under 1200 square ft. They tear up carpet day one and begin to install the floors. I notice multiple things wrong:
1. There are gaps large enough to stick a Morgan silver dollar between boards (about the width of 2 quarters).
2. They did not tear out old shoe mold trim.
3. There are 1" gaps from the old trim to the floor they're installing.
4. They installed quarter round molding on top of the pre-existing shoe molding.
I immediately brought it to their attention and the guy that spoke broken English told me, "I do floors, I know what I do. It right. You not know." So I showed him the 'do it yourself - how to install wood floors on youtube by Lowes'. I told them some choice words and told them to leave.
After bouncing back and forth between calling the store, corporate and the place that employs the floor installers, Lowes decides its best to refund me (this whole process took about 8 months, meanwhile 75% of my home is subflooring). So they come out and tear out what floor they installed and told us, "good luck".
We then told them they can't leave us without flooring and their "good trusted guys" caused damage to my home and furniture (instead of picking stuff up and moving it, they chose to drag/scoot it across carpet) they also decided my walls needed some fist-sized holes. The store manager at Lowes told me, "not my problem".
I made it his problem and took him to small claims court. We sued and won by default (they failed to show). I now boycott Lowes. They are the worst.
I built a nice big extension on my cousin's house, they came out to put down the fake hardwood flooring and put the underlayment upside down on the concrete floor. 2000 sq. ft of warped flooring less than 3 months later.
Agreed.
Real nice, make04 04make. You sound like a real pro yourself with the childish name calling. I don't think anyone wants a "Pro" with an attitude like yours in or around their house!
@KING COBRA Nice, way to stay classy King Cobra.
my step dad and his dad b4 him dinstalled hardwood flooring. for a living and pop passed this skill onto his kids grandkids and a bun-h of family friends. .. then work finally slacked off due to bad economy and his health got really bad so he retired and we all went on to different lines of work
What do you expect when you didn't level the site? The contractor is not going to do it for you and if you had leveled the site; the build would have taken less time to do
The cinder blocks should have a cap block under each one so they won't sink into the ground. The way they are now the dirt goes up into the holes and allows the blocks to sink. Frank
Also metal or hard plastic plates between the blocks and the wood to keep moisture from wicking into the timbers. I used some of those 1/4 in. white plastic cutting boards on mine.
tubularguynine this is an awesome tip! My cabin is being delivered this month, and i will get some of those plastic boards for the blocks. I ordered cap blocks to sit on the ground, and put base rock down under that for foundation and drainage. Hope im going about this correctly, im a girl, dont have experience in these matters!
Lynn Rabe Good luck to you!!
Scott Daunhauer thank you so much!
Yeah like a dumbass i put my 8 inch block with the holes facing down and yes my barn sank,very good tip frank,on my new barn I poured a foundation, that jewel aint going nowhere
I bought a 12 X 15 shed at Home Depot almost 20 years ago and built it myself. They are extremely easy to build, I would not have paid good money to have someone else do something that is so easy.
I have build shed's for over 18 year's. I will start with the price they charged you for the shed of that size was a good deal. As you said you was there helping the guy stand the walls. He build the walls the way they always do. But you knew that you paid for 16" oc. It might not of been on his order the right way and that does happen when you have a sales person take the order then he gives to someone else to process the order and they send it to the company who then gives it to a person getting the order ready to go. Then the builder who should of went over the order with you on the phone before he ever left the shop. So you can see all the places that it could go wrong and did. As for the 4x4's the floor joists should be nailed to them if so the 4x4 will never move. As far as the Foundation it is fine on the block as I have build hundreds of them in Tennessee on the side of a hill and they are still there year's later. As for the help your builder might have needed it but I could have build that shed in two days without any body else helping did it many times. There is thing's that I saw that was bad on the shed that you missed and are happy with so I will not say anything about them. But the biggest thing that I want to say is that Lowe's did all they could to make you happy. They give you a 2,000 dollar refund which means you only paid for the material used to build the shed. You was happy with it when you walked out of Lowe's you got a 5 thousand dollar shed for 3 thousand. But you had to go to your u-tube acc and make a post so that you could make some more money off of it! So with all of this being said there was some mistakes made. But in my eye's you are the one in the wrong you are one of those people who just want something for free and not happy when people bend over backwards to do it. I am just happy that it was not me that had to work for you on this shed!!!!!
I don’t understand how the contractors poor work translates into boycotting the manufacturer of the shed from both THD & Lowes? Did I miss something about the material quality of the shed?
Businesses aren't just made out of quality materials.
X A well the point is more about of how bad they are at choosing their contractors than the quality of the Osb 😆
I was just thinking the same thing.
X A they supplied the guy to fit it terribly just listen to the video...
O would have used a local shed builder from a mennonite/Amish community nearby. Home depot and Lowe's are about that bottom dollar, hence the crackpot contractor!
I live in Texas and after shopping for a shed but after all the crazy high prices I decided to build my own. 12 ×18 double floor and 18 inch centers 2 windows and 2 gallons of paint it cost me 950 dollars.
William Elliott idk how when a 2"x4"x8' here in NJ is $4
Wish I could build myself a new chicken coop. Got the tools . Just need the help.. ☹️
@@sagansrun2932 if I lived near you I would help you. But google it. It's very easy
@@steverone7623 if you have a friend that does carpenter work and gets bulk discount on his supplies you can get yours with one of his jobs and just pay him. 2 by 4 here are 4 dollars as well but I let my friend purchase with his contractors discount as well as his bulk discount and they were 1.98 each
Well, the prices for the same thing vary in different areas. An example would be this shower filter Model # SL2-CM-R. At Home Depot in zipcode 01201 (Pittsfield, MA) is $17.98, The exact same shower filter in zipcode 20018 (Washington DC) is $18.88. This is called a FREE MARKET, presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter tried to fix prices during their term in office and it didn't work. Here is the article if you have time: tinyurl.com/yct9yodj
Yes I built one for a friend. She was mad at me first, because I had made the floor stronger, by adding 3 big beems under floor. 12' 4"×6"s plus I used like 10 to 12 new 2"×4"s cut to 10' for the floor instead off the some 20 5' 2"×4" split in the center of floor. Other than that, it wasn't to bad. I almost lost a friend because of it. But now she sees the reason for the extra lumber. The foundation floor is the key for it to be strong. She is now very happy with the shed, but not the price so much. The kit is mostly good, except the foundation floor. But it can be done right with a little bit more experience.
I can build a better shed than that bigger and cheaper and I'm a 56 year old cripple but nobody ever listens to old cripples ...
Go gentlemen! You have good spirit❤️
@@crawlinbear1963 same here....very sad
@Paul Greening agreed
Unfortunately the first to collapse will be that shed.
Thad Nipper 56 year old crippler. You need to have your own TV show.
Dallas TX here, I helped my friends build a lowe's shed and we had many of the exact same problems. After weeks of struggling to read the horrible instructions and building parts and pieces only to find significant portions missing, we were finally able to complete it. It would have been MUCH cheaper and MUCH faster to simply build one from scratch. I will NEVER buy a lowe's or home depot shed. I don't think it even matters what region of the country you're in.
ChampionofVardenfell It don't matter they are both cheats
Thank you for the heads up. I was thinking about getting one but now I think I will make one myself and put windows in it.
If u had any clue on how to build anything you would realized sheds are very simple builds. People that don’t know jack about building should stick to what they know and leave the building to a professional and quit winning and blaming others for their Inadequacy’s
ChampionofVardenfell y’all must have bought a Handy Home and NOT a Tuff She’d! You get what you pay for!!!
I watched this video over a year ago and then decided I'd have to build my own. Tomorrow I put on the roof panels. I already know what I'd do different the second time, but this video helped me decide to take the plunge and try building it myself. I'm determined to succeed, I don't care if I have to tear the thing apart and start over. This video convinced me to do it myself, thank you.
I am a retired commercial project manager with hands on experience which is rare. I was a project scheduler, coordinator, superintendent and estimator on many, many multi million dollar jobs for years. After retiring I built everything on my farm including two residences by myself including all plumbing and electrical. Don't be dismayed by most of the comments below. Those wanna be people can't build a shed that size any cheaper than you paid unless they do all the labor themselves. The following is meant to be helpful but is not meant as an absolute guide since I don't control the site or the ways, means or methods; but is offered as typical construction methods sometimes used in the industry. If you take reasonable steps your shed will likely do well. Most of the following should have been done pre and during initial construction of your shed. Put steel or wooden strap ties on all the beam sills under the building. I like to add long treated 2x4 or 2x6 tie plates to the inside of each sill joint that extend a few feet on either side of splices. I fasten them with several 16d galvanized common nails or with hex head lag bolts. Use hurricane anchors to tie your building down. The same kind approved for mobile homes will do nicely. If there are no spread footer concrete pads under those cinder blocks add them one at a time. To do this support the building near a single pier one at a time in a safe manner, remove the existing blocks of a single pier and prepare and pour reinforced spread footings sufficient not to sink into the ground on your type soil. I pour mine 18" square but I have extremely tight clay based soil. Your pads may have to be much larger. Make sure the pads are thick enough to go several inches into the subsoil so that they will not slide. This requires some excavation. After the spread footer concrete cures at least 7 days (or as needed) reinstall the blocks and fill same with concrete. Strap the sill beans to the finished piers once the concrete cures. Safety is Paramount in this tedious process as is patience since your progress will be slow doing one pier at a time until completion. Do all the outer piers first to avoid working under the building. When you do the center beam do not remove anything already in place. Add additional piers as described and then consider whether it is safe to rework the pier at the sill joints. That is your highest risk danger area. Most of this work is required because your building is on higher than average piers that are not a uniform height. Its a good idea to add metal plates between the sills and cinder block piers to block termite infestation and to help prevent decay. Be careful using jacks and necessary shoring as you could cause something to slip off a pier or topple. If this is beyond your expertise or experience level hire a professional foundation company or contractor. If your budget allows they will jack-up the entire building all at once, shore it and then perform the steps I spoke of. The building itself is not the highest quality but it will do if you take care of it and take at minimum the suggestions I offered. Incidentally, it is NEVER wise to place any structure in place prior to building sound foundation piers or foundation structure ahead of time. The work I describe would have cost at least $2,000 in labor plus materials before the building ever arrived. There are no short cuts in quality construction. In my opinion this current installation is very sub standard and in my opinion places the commercial seller at high risk liability if same blows away, overturns, slides or slips off it's piers. Keep your film handy in case there is a need to litigate. Consult an attorney for help, advice or to find the time duration and limits of legal recourse. Hope this reassures and helps you.
Smokey Bear you must really have nothing to do if you critique someone helping their fellow man to properly fix a terrible problem. Poor fellow suffers from bad judgement and little experience. Get a life. And yes, I wrote 34 published books to date, play piano, I am a licensed pilot, a professional artist, chess player, farmer, member of Architects and Engineers for 911, an ASME Level II Pressure Vessel and Welding Inspector, Field Engineer, Model Builder and I have been married to the same lady for 46 years, beat that moron.
Smokey Bear , Jesus died for you and me so that we can believe on Him and have everlasting life. Jesus arose from the grave after three days to walk amongst us before He ascended to heaven. Jesus told us if we do not believe that He is the Son of God than we should believe the miracles because many saw them including when He raised Lazuras from the dead. I hope you do not think Jesus waisted His life or wasted time because Jesus died even for His enemies which are many.
Mr Foster, you are an accomplished man, and anyone would be wise to follow your construction advice.
That was nice of you.
@Smokey Bear > I'm looking at your name, then I'm looking at the name of the uploader. No match. Then reading the first 6 lines of his post, I see he's clearly addressing the uploader. Not you. I didn't read the entire post. Know why? It was pretty dense. But I don't begrudge it because it seemed to be jam pack with information I would want if I were stuck in the same situation as the uploader.
You suffer from narcissism. Maybe your time would be better spend perusing those videos.
I agree with Thad, this shed could have been built from scratch for LESS than half the price. As well, always take the time/cost to lay a concrete pad... The shed will never move. The method I have used on 3 different sheds now, is drilling/concreting 6 4x4 posts in a rectangle and building the shed around them.. That way the concrete pad is completely leveled and the structure is solid as hell. I also split the pad in two with a 2x4 in the middle so that the pad doesn't crack.
Mike
I too agree with Thad
Well, this is not the end of the world.
1) The block piers should have at least footings. This can be retrofitted, but it will be awkward to do. Over time, some of the blocks will heave with frost, and some will sink.
2) The stud spacing of 24" on center is not so bad, especially if you intend to insulate (you mentioned that this was intended for a workshop) Fewer studs means less thermal bridging in the walls. If you are going to drywall, you should use 5/8" thick because of the larger spans for fastening the drywall.
3) There should be a drainage swale that keeps water from running down the hill and around the blocks. The earth around the blocks will get washed out eventually and cause settling for those worst affected.
Hope things work out well going forward, but in general, the building looks not too shabby.
Wise advice on the block footings. Sinking blocks tend to have a domino effect. Cracked sheetrock, doors and windows bind and the roof can visibly sag. No footings is a huge mistake !
Don't use either for any install, for one everything is sub contracted out so Depot or Lowes make money off what they sell then whatever you have installed the contractor is hired by that company and they make money off of the install so everyone makes money but the contractors and not that it right but they short cut to help make money. What people fail to understand is if you have 5 things installed you'll be dealing with 5 different companies. Doing kitchens for depot the salespeople make more on a kitchen then we did, and they didn't have to have 1M liability ins license fees each year and drive a van that gets 12 mpg. In ending don't use any box store.
I agree. Their window guy was slapping windows in the house next door to one I was replacing windows in a few years ago. He asked me how I could take so much time when all I was making was $65 per opening. I told him we didn't do his volume and let it go at that. Of course, we had sold the job, guaranteed the workmanship, insured everything. Also, the ones we put in were high quality double hung, our trim was all hemmed, scribed and custom fit where he was slapping low end single hung in. I would love to know what the homeowners were paying for the "job" he did because we each made more than $65 per opening on that job.
Turns out, you should've just built the shed yourself. You sound like a handy guy.
I think he was hoping to save time and hassle by spending more $$ for a “pro” to do it. And in the end regretted his choice!
Livereater00 no he doesn’t lol, he sounds like one of those customers who’ll give ya useless suggestions till your ears are bleeding lol. Someone who acts like they know the world after watching a RUclips tutorial
@@xtune5731 Did you even see the close ups of the shed???
Simon Heavlin I did.
+Pat if I was him I would rather spend the extra money and built a metal building that can withstand Cat 5 wins or EF5 tornadoes and it will last over 100 years vs 20 years if you're lucky with wood.
I understand your frustrations! And I'm not wanting to criticize here but from both a former installer for those exact sheds, builder for my dad's she'd company for 12 years, and now a business owner perspective, here are some flags I see right off the bat:
1. Lowe's salesmen are not the most knowledgeable so we often have miscommunication, misleading info and are expected as builders to perform when they make u realistic promises. They may not know any better perhaps.
2. Yes, he should have gussetted the 4x4's together. Don't know what that's about but it will not effect the structural integrity of the building as the building only sits on them.
3.You should have levelled out the site with crushed concrete or crushed rock, especially on a drastic slope like that!The builder is NOT responsible for leveling out the site more than 6inches. Your builder went through a lot of extra UNPAID time and labor to do that for you. And all you can do is complain!? Plus covering up materials for rain!
4. 16"OC stud spacing was likely an oversight and lack of communication on Lowe's or branch office end same thing with generator. Happens a lot with Lowe's salesmen.
5. It's completely reasonable to build a shed like that by yourself in 8-10 hours start to finish, Ive built em all over the country.....but that site! That's any builder's nightmare and I say he did a great job with what he had.
6. Please don't blame him for not "hiring" another helper overnight. Do you know how hard it is to find reliable help who won't complain and is willing and able to do labor intensive work?
7. The shed pay is designed for a 1 man operation so to make it worth having a helper....hence the one man shows up to build alone,...is very difficult unless you can find one who works as hard as you do. Think about it, driving an hour one way....all that fuel and time that you need to pay out but are not seeing any extra money for. Of course we'd love to get paid more but I reckon they're to busy giving customers back $2k so there just ain't enough money left to be given to the builders. Lol
8.in essance, you got a heck of a deal and you should be happy with it! Maybe apply the Golden rule and tip the builder. At minimum, give him a good rating on the survey. Mathew 7:12
Joe, that is without a doubt the worst job of building a shed I have ever seen. Someone is going to have to relevel that thing, get all the extra work done and do the finish. Lowe’s should be ashamed of themselves.
Why should Lowe's be ashamed? All they did was supply the building materials. It's up to the assembler to make sure they all work and put together correctly.
Lowe’s name is on it but they don’t give 2 shits about any that. You ever talked to one of the store “managers” hahahah they are just longtime employees that were able to come to come to work on time for a full year. Tards
Marc Schaffer that man is lying on Lowe’s!!!!
This was the homeowners fault not lowes. The homeowner was responsible to have a proper foundation to put the shed on not lowes. If there had been a proper foundation the other problems wouldn't exist.
Wrong. The shed is fine. Cheap Lowe's parking lot shed but what did this guy expect? Some hillbilly Ozark shed installer is going to be able to pour a level foundation or set piers with no electricity.
Thats going to fall down.
Hello Mr. Fox. I'm not sure what is available in the Ozarks but in several of the states I've been in there are insulated panel buildings. They are very strong, extremely well insulated and are not as expensive as stick built buildings. If you can get the panels and have them the edges routed so they will interlock it's really easy to build one your self. All the panels are 22 inches wide and come in different lengths. The 84 inch length are $6.48 each.
Thank you and all veterans for serving our country.
Wow, the local Home Depot here said they would not build a shed unless a properly leveled space was available.
From the Home Depot web site:
"Q: What should I do to prepare the site prior to your arrival?
A: We do require the construction area to be cleared and prepared to within 6" of level
(front left, back to front), that we have at least 3' of clearance around and above the
building site (4 feet if your building is larger than 160 sq. ft.). We also ask you to place four
stakes in the ground where you want the four corners of your building and a fifth stake
where you would like the center of the door opening. We will also need access to
electricity within 150 feet of the unit and unobstructed access to carry your materials to
the building site. We will take care of the rest!"
"we do have the ability to construct your
Handy Home building on an existing slab provided the slab is level within 1/2" and
appropriately sized. Because of the individual nature of each slab, please contact us to
determine if your slab meets our specifications. Due to the additional installation labor
and extra materials needed to properly secure the shed to your slab, there is no
reduction in overall price.
Q: Can my shed be installed on piers, etc?
A: Yes, but we do not recommend it. We suggest that all sheds be built on concrete
slabs or use solid cement blocks."
winner
I feel ya. that's why I had huston yoder build mine, (yes he is amish) it has a 2x6 frame with a metal roof, marine plywood. payed the same as your original price. it is 22 ft with a 6 ft porch, 6 ft loft and 5 ft loft in the rear. I am very pleased with this. I live in ohio . just putting that out for people who live here. good luck in the future pastor joe.
what part of ohio...i am in southern ohio and am thinking of building a 10 by 24 pole barn type lean to structure...and then i am going to build a passive solar greenhouse on the south facing side of the building...
I live about 5 miles east of cardington. 1 hour north of cbus, yoder is around indian lake.
what did it run you; materials and labor?
5500
You have cinder blocks sitting on grass. You will be fighting tipping and settling for longer than the life of the shed. Sounds like you will be adding a lot of weight above, and living in it, so weight will always be shifting. Put a better foundation under it, and strap all butts and posts. As it stands now, a strong windstorm will have it falling off and collapsing. You really need some concrete pilings, to secure it in place. Nothing is holding your cinder blocks, and therefore, your structure.
Whoa, I was just at Lowe’s this morning looking at sheds. Glad I saw this. 👍🏼
I've been shopping for one too. I want one I can turn into living quarters. But this has got me wondering who to get to help me do it. If I hire help when they work I'm under foot. Start to finish. I may be annoying but when the smoke clears I'm the one who paid for it and get stuck with the bill and the end result
Should have had the Amish build it.
Some Amish live in a few small communities near me. The ladies are good cooks, authentic table food fresh from their farms and gardens.
That's what I did...but you have to do your own foundation because they just lay it on railroad ties and gravel.
Bullshit I had a deck built by Amish big mistake had to replace afterv2 years
Be weary with the particular Amish family you hire. Just because they have a good rep doesn't mean there aren't bad eggs. We've had an extremely expensive bad home remodel and roof job done that was botched $65000 worth of remodel and shit was half assed to the max.
I think I might hire Amish. They seems like good honest workers. I’d rather pay more for a good honest job.
Around here, that shed would be about 7980 USD. BUT that includes a 4 pain transom window over the door not the small one, 2x residential medium sized dual pain windows with screens, and a residential glass door with key lock. Pre-built, where you can inspect before delivery, painted and colored shingles.
there are TONS of better companies then Lowes if you are buying sheds.
Would have been money ahead to have an actual contractor put it up. They would have included excavation of the sight in the estimate. That shed more than likely have been put up for what Lowes charged for the kit.
As a former contractor, I am appalled by this behavior. Unacceptable!!! The customer is always right!!! If they order 16" centers you make them 16" centers, period. You don't show up to a job without your crew or your tools..... I always had a list of extra people to call just in case I needed help at the last minute, or buddies that had specialty tools I didn't have. Generator was on the truck all the time; along with the torch. How do these people stay in business??? That block placement is very scary..... Are LOWES or HOME DEPOT going to pay someone's widow if the shed falls on top of their spouse when they are under the shed repairing the faulty construction a subcontractor did???
Moving On
I disagree that the customer is always right. That mentality costs consumers millions every year due to “customers” buying something and returning it at the end of the season and many other scams every day.
Unfortunately the contractor that showed up was a complete idiot from the sounds of it and the customer didn’t get what he paid extra for.
They stay in business because when you go in there and buy something it has a 400% markup on it, Lowe's has become full of Chinese crap. They operate exactly the same as Walmart...
Not rocket science...
use your fucking brain.
Mooving On the builder that showed up didn’t make the walls. It’s not his fault.
Everything is the contractors fault. Except for them not being 16 inches.
Scratching my head wondering why the build was started without all of the workers and prepaid items not present.
Step 1. Go over the order and schedule with the contractor.
The buyer is supposed to build a foundation that's what is says on the website before you ordered it
If your doing that kind of renovations to this new shed....why didn't you build a quality one from the beginning at a fraction of the cost & at substantially better quality. I'm in Massachusetts & those POS sheds don't stand up to the elements. Within a few years they have major issues.
Exactly, used shipping containers are pretty cheap and all steel construction.
Shipping container work great as long as your neighbors don't mind the eyesore.
I'd make them come back and tear it down and take it back.
fjamato why he got 2k off the price. Decent deal for 3k
I built my 12x20 for 1800 myself,still think he got a deal?,mine is 16 inch on center and I put a foundation under mine not those shitty 8s and solid 4s on the ground,now thats not counting the 40 yr warranty metal roof but my dude here has some shingles,I dare say my metal roof will be there when im dead and gone
dan parker yeah right when wood was cheaper
I would of insisted they refund ALL of your money and take it back. Chances are they would of refunded all of the money and let you keep it anyway just to cut their losses.
Welcome to the Machineshop yeah . That wasn't going to happen.
Sorry about your experience. I just had my 10X16 Amish shed delivered and it looks great. It has a steel roof, double doors and two windows with shelving. It was a 6 month old repo for 2600$. No tax
That sucks bud. I need a shed too. Hopefully its not a problem here in Reno.
I wouldn't even store my mother in law in that crap shack!!!
Jon MacDonald shit I would leave her in it all day
Jon MacDonald you sure bout that?
I don't think that I could create a more potent insult myself
Take mine
@@oooogrimmoooo shit I wouldn't what if she got out
Cancelled $4500 shed after couple tries.
HD doesn't care.
Tuff Shed doesn't care.
F em.
here's what ya want to doo. put down 6 mill plastic then cover it with gravel you want to dig down 2 feet or as deep as you can where your support blocks are going and fill it with gravel and put down a double thick patio stone on your gravel then put 2 or 3 cider blocks level on your patio stone. i would go 34 inches or more if you want to use the crawl space for storage or if you ever wanna add plumbing. more space also helps with airflow for moisture. you can skirt it if you want to use it for storage or just to keep it cleaner under there. You now have a good level moisture proof base that wont shift with the freeze and thaw of the ozarks brutal winters or swamp ape gas
This is only partially the workers fault. He is probably getting paid piecemeal. He may have to deal with an incompetent office staff that doesn’t know how to schedule. A sales staff that says whatever the customer wants to hear and a company that undervalued his trade and just tells him to work faster. It may cost more but hiring an independent tradesman keeps the money where it should be. Not in greedy corporate hands. Just like cabinets. Sure you can go to ikea and get nice cheap cabinets that last you a year or two. It puts a local cabinet maker out of work though.
If the local cabinet maker cant compete he should find a new trade.
Capitalism.
@@madscientistshusta That's fucking asinine.
It’s the installer’s fault as a subcontractor. Don’t take a job you can’t finish.
The installer sounds like a trunk slammer. Who would leave OSB out over the weekend with rain on the way? It sounds like this was their first shed they put together but you’re entitled to your opinion.
Model t ford.
You are right yrs ago my parents bought a 2 story from home depo and it’s was built on their property and omg in just about a month the nails were all popping out of the walls and walls were bowing out so we had to climb ladder and put screws in and do lots of repairs to protect what was inside- not worth it at all
What a crappy foundation!
Yeah they should've at least doubled the blocks under there, as is the wind could probably blow it back if it's strong enough
seen it happen . Them boys were whackin off in my tool shed again
This foundation will sink in no time, just give it a few rainy days and it will start, my advice .... do not install a pool table in it.
"Foundation"? Ha! 'Fraid my imagination's not that good...or maybe it's my aging eyesight. But I'm just not able to visualize anything worthy of that description in this video.
I would have used some old car rims lol every time I see a shed up on Cinder block I think what a hack. my shed was prefab and built like a Rock. it rests on 4 inch's of 3/4 crushed stone with a sheet of Geotech under it to prevent weeds and has landscaping timbers boxing it in . I did the prep work for the shed they just rolled it into place still looks good after 10yrs. to spend all that money to have it built and be Lazy with the prep work just does not make any sense. that shed will turn to crap in no time but then again its built like crap in the first place so not much waiting
In st. louis "Tough sheds" supply Home Depot. Tough sheds use a galvinize steel floor frame. Great sheds.
I purchased my 10x12 throughly the Home Depot and Sheds USA came out and installed it 5 1/2 years ago and it’s in near perfect condition.
Paranormal activity with that door
lol
yeah, it's called THE WIND, duh!!
Your shed is HAUNTED ! ! ! Look at the door move !
You call yourself pastor Joe. You do realize that the Bible talks about solid foundations and the consequences of not having one, right?
@The Muckler he aint got no wisdom... woah woy
That's gold. Pure gold.
@William Newkirk you should talk sir.
I bought one eight years ago and have absolutely no problem with it. Built it myself!
"With just a little bit of work I'm going to have a pretty sweet place" With just a little bit of work your going to need a new shed in a few years.
WTF!? That's why I like to do 99% of everything myself.
Me 2 and I have spinal recon..
They mislead people to think they can just erect them sheds on the bare earth..
My wife had Lowe's send out a contractor to build a wooden fence for her horses. Long story short, within a month after the fence was installed its about to fall down. It's not straight or level, they didn't even sink the post below the frost line... and it has to be completely redone.
Had similar experience with Lowes they lost my order after I played for delivery customer service was next to nothing cost me a ton extra time and money had contractors waiting me looking like a fool....never again Lowes
Always had a nightmare experience with Lowes...they just don't care. They do not honor their warranties. Try to use the lifetime warranty on hand tools, LMFAO! I'm actually stunned you got ANY compensation from Lowes. Stunned!
Maybe it's regional. In New England, Lowe's seems better than HD. Still, they're both big box stores, and the quality of stuff at both is mediocre.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I started out looking at the 16x16 two story from home depot. Then after doing a lot of price shopping and looking at the building kits from Menards I decided I would rather spend a bit more and get something far better. It is a good thing you built this when you did.. After Covid the prices of these sheds has more than doubled.
It's not Covid, it's the dementia patient in the whitehouse.
My 1st shed was a Morgan building. It's all steel except the floor and floor supports. But, I bought that back in like 2009 or 10, and that building is still standing, and looks pretty close to the day I bought it. The guys who came out and assembled it, were great, professional and got it done in the 1 day I gave them to do it in. I had a guy who builds sheds, carports etc for a living build my last 16x16 and again, it's never been an issue after 7 years of use. Lowes and HD are NOT where you go to buy a work shed....
That old saying " want something done right, gotta do it yourself."
Want something done right don't pay an uneducated southerner.
They charge way too much for those sheds, with the minimal amount of wood, cheapest roofing material and hardware. I could build a shed twice as sturdy and solid, and build the whole thing with screws for way cheaper than Lowes even after charging someone for the Labor.
Shouldn't use too many screws. they are weak at he threads and tend to snap occassionaly.
Yeah but when you use 4 or 5 together they pull tight and create a team of solidness. I built my sheds, and both my decks with screws. Way more solid. Nails back out all the time.
Just built a 12x8' shed from a kit I bought at HD. All Materials cost me about $1400, including the shed kit. Took me 9 days, working alone. And I am slow. But I got several quotes for close to $3000. Good thing I'm retired.
What happened to the little pigs house built out of sticks?
Looks like it'll last about two years.
I had a similar experience, but not with HD/Lowes. It was one of those rent to own sheds. Instead of building the thing on my property, they hauled it on a really neat trailer. The build quality was so bad...snow drifts through the main and side door. Side door is crooked. The door locks break within days or even the first use. They did not even level my shed, I had to. At least I got 16" OC studs. The next shed, I decided to do myself and I can see the difference in quality (even though it's my first time doing anything like this). Doing it myself saved me at least a $1500 and I get the satisfaction of DIY.
Unfortunately this is the way most spec homes are built also. Get in get out, get paid as little as the contractor will give you. get it done yesterday pay you in 90 days
this is how all contracting is done now adays. Get your meth money by friday.
@@PlateletRichGel in the Building Trades there is three things to choose from ,speed quality, and price. If you're lucky you get two of the three, usually one so it's up to you what type of construction you have done. If you want speed and price you don't get quality, if you want speed and quality you don't get price. If you want quality and price you don't get speed. Usually the thing that brings illegals, meth-heads, drunks, crackheads, non reliable no-shows is choosing price only.
@@PlateletRichGel thats not true at all, maybe in your area but not here
you forgot bullshit. That you get plenty of for free. A few things I've learned. I ask guys. "What are you best at?" If they say "I'm good at everything.", It means they're good at nothing.
A friend of mine had a workplace accident years ago and got a decent settlement unfortunately he bought a spec house in a new development. Within a year or two he needed to replace -not repair -replace the roof turns out that they didn't use tar paper just nailed shingles on plywood. All kinds of plumbing and septic issues and to top it all off needed his house rewired by a real electrician. when all was said and done he could have had a house custom made.
Sorry that you had such a bad experience brother.
Thanks for the heads up. This is a purchase we plan to make this year and now I need to do some real homework to find the good guys. Thank you so much.
This is why you need a permit. Inspector would have failed it and held Lowe’s to repair. I would have made Lowe’s take it down and build it properly.
Wouldn't have been better to level the area to a certain point with trap rock and compacted, then build on that or have some footings down below the frost line ?
Dude, what the hell are you doing? It looks like crap! Those 4x4 joints need to end at a 2x. Allowing the building to be built at that height is ridiculous. 1500 would be too much. God bless.
Sure am glad my sons-in-love loves me. He built my 12×24 "Little House" in 3 days from the ground up. I paid for lumber and tin roof stuff. Best Christmas present ever.
whoa.... no offense but dude, you got screwed. husband and I built a 12x24 with 12 ft ceilings and an 8x12 loft with huge windows and doors for less than $2500.... yikes..... whenever we are at home depot I always shake my head wondering who the heck would ever pay such a price for one of those crap shacks....
Oh to be fair tho we only habe one of the doors in and no siding yet as husband wants to mill his own live edge, but still...
Yeah, build it yourself, save money and do it right. I built a 10x14 fully finished standalone home office 2yrs ago for $7000, which included bamboo flooring, 2x6 exterior walls, 8ft ceiling, insulation, textured drywall, entry door and three windows, door/window trim and molding, electrical, lighting, RJ-45 ethernet wiring, cable TV, electric heater, pier block foundation, front porch and fiber cement siding.
Right! I would have also set this hog on a slab! People got the money so they pay the price .... learn a lil and save some of that hard Earned money and build with confidence