5 years ago I firmly disagreed with the views of Thomas Hobbes. Now I accept that much of what he taught is accurate. Religion, fear of the unknown, fear of the consequences, and reward is what motivates people to follow civic rules. In a state absent of laws (what he called "nature") humans are capable of doing a lot of bad. On this I agree. However, Thomas Hobbes believed that a human king was necessary to control a population of people. I disagree with this view and acknowledge that the political views of John Locke on this issue are preferable to Hobbes's views.
Hobbes is not concerned with the theist question of "God." His philosophy is rooted solely in the scientific approach to causation and effects. This is why Euclid was an inspiration to Hobbes's political writings. They are dialectically scientific in nature, unconstrained to metaphysical abstractions.
We need government, even if government is bad from time to time. For its opposite, lack of government or anarchy, is a thousand times worse than the worst kind of governmemt. What happens is that most of you haven't lived in anarchy so you consider it great if one day there were no police in the streets. Ask Modrič and his realtives what he prefers. Ask Ibrahimovič and his relatives if they felt safer in Sweden or in Bosnia during the 90s. Ask Middle Eastern refugees why they come so desperately, risking their lives in the process, to Western democracies. Do they come because they're adventurers or because their nation, their state is a state no more and therefore, without state, there are no more rights, and the state of nature (chaos, anarchy, mob rule) takes over?
anarchy is more than just the lack of government. in its final ideal form it is the lack of the *need* for the state. the situations you cite have come about through greed. the desire of certain individuals to have more than their talents would otherwise accrue to them. that these individuals also possess the means to forcibly acquire said, is what has brought about your cited examples.
Well I hate revolutions- which I contend turn into power-grabs where the most ruthless group takes power by killing, imprisoning, silencing etc. But governments sometimes need to be changed, and people need to feel they have some say in the ruling process. How can this happen? Possibly in a stable system with some representation, but where the chosen rulers have some time to use power they've been allowed to borrow from the people. Another important feature of the system is that legal change can happen gradually (constitutional change isn't so great, make that even more gradual...) The effect of all this is to slow down & moderate the power struggle that will otherwise end up being conducted with weapons. It's existed in Western states because of a certain amount of respect for tradition and the system. We've got used to a certain way of being governed. We mess with that at our peril, but there are always young people (easily whipped up into a mob these days on Facebook) who think they know better, don't actually know anything, and can't think for themselves, behaving rather as a herd of sheep
Thomas hobbes is one of th greatest philosophers......
Thank you for uploading this video.
Is Richard Dawkins one of the speakers in this? Kind of sounds like one of them.
+Richard Kranium it's Quentin Skinner although they do sound awfully familiar!
5 years ago I firmly disagreed with the views of Thomas Hobbes. Now I accept that much of what he taught is accurate. Religion, fear of the unknown, fear of the consequences, and reward is what motivates people to follow civic rules. In a state absent of laws (what he called "nature") humans are capable of doing a lot of bad. On this I agree.
However, Thomas Hobbes believed that a human king was necessary to control a population of people. I disagree with this view and acknowledge that the political views of John Locke on this issue are preferable to Hobbes's views.
Juan Perezchica
Is the bit from nevertheless your own or hobbs inspired
Hobbes is not concerned with the theist question of "God." His philosophy is rooted solely in the scientific approach to causation and effects. This is why Euclid was an inspiration to Hobbes's political writings. They are dialectically scientific in nature, unconstrained to metaphysical abstractions.
We need government, even if government is bad from time to time. For its opposite, lack of government or anarchy, is a thousand times worse than the worst kind of governmemt. What happens is that most of you haven't lived in anarchy so you consider it great if one day there were no police in the streets. Ask Modrič and his realtives what he prefers. Ask Ibrahimovič and his relatives if they felt safer in Sweden or in Bosnia during the 90s. Ask Middle Eastern refugees why they come so desperately, risking their lives in the process, to Western democracies. Do they come because they're adventurers or because their nation, their state is a state no more and therefore, without state, there are no more rights, and the state of nature (chaos, anarchy, mob rule) takes over?
anarchy is more than just the lack of government.
in its final ideal form it is the lack of the *need* for the state.
the situations you cite have come about through greed. the desire of certain individuals to have more than their talents would otherwise accrue to them.
that these individuals also possess the means to forcibly acquire said,
is what has brought about your cited examples.
@@kidmohair8151 "The lack for the need of the state," the only anarchist model that achieves this premise is anarcho-capitalism.
Fantastic. Thank you kindly for sharing this on RUclips.
Can't Agree More
Research into coups and revolutions and you will easily find yourself thinking along the lines the Hobbes directs.
Well I hate revolutions- which I contend turn into power-grabs where the most ruthless group takes power by killing, imprisoning, silencing etc.
But governments sometimes need to be changed, and people need to feel they have some say in the ruling process. How can this happen? Possibly in a stable system with some representation, but where the chosen rulers have some time to use power they've been allowed to borrow from the people.
Another important feature of the system is that legal change can happen gradually (constitutional change isn't so great, make that even more gradual...) The effect of all this is to slow down & moderate the power struggle that will otherwise end up being conducted with weapons.
It's existed in Western states because of a certain amount of respect for tradition and the system. We've got used to a certain way of being governed. We mess with that at our peril, but there are always young people (easily whipped up into a mob these days on Facebook) who think they know better, don't actually know anything, and can't think for themselves, behaving rather as a herd of sheep
he had a good comprehension of conditioning
Very good, i'm a Hobbist now..
but are you a calvinist too...
Everyone needs a Hobbe :)