“Could iT Be That i Have GiVeN uP...???” “We, the Peeps of tHiS... A. iN U.S. Brave N.W.Ordinance, o’Social MedioCrity’s Two Minutes of HaTE’s 15 minutes Of Shh... FAME.”
If anyone actually took the time to fully listen to or read all the lyrics to this song, and not just watch and pay attention to the video and nothing else, it's fairly obvious it isn't about Manson, Reznor, Eminem, and dissing them for whatever reason people would like to imagine, It's about Ogre acknowledging certain feelings of bitterness, resentment, and jealousy for not being more popular and having as much notoriety and fame as these other artists in Industrial music, despite being one of the main artists responsible for developing and popularizing the genre, and rightfully so, to an extent, and thinking about miming or aping their style to gain more popularity, being frustrated that he can't understand these artists, their music, and/or why it is so popular or how to be popular like them, expressed in the lyrics, "Feeling blind to all important scenes", then, despite these feelings, ultimately realizing he shouldn't care about such things and should "give it up," because "it's unoriginal," to try and copy other artists' style, as the song puts it, and should ignore these thoughts and focus on staying true to his own artistry. I mean, everybody knows about how Trent straight up just admitted he ripped off "Dig It" for "Down In It", If anyone has the right to feel that way, it's him. I mean, how would you feel if someone admitted to straight up lifting your work when you helped develop and flesh out and establish a genre more and getting more popular then you? Wouldn't any normal person feel at least the slightest hint of resentment? Can you blame him? And despite that, Ogre still acknowledges these feelings are wrong in the lyrics and he shouldn't care and just focus on doing his own thing. So ultimately this song is Ogre introspecting more than anything else and it sounds to me like he isn't being critical towards other artists for selling out to appease a broader mainstream audience as many people might be led to believe as much as he is criticizing himself for even thinking about doing just that, hence the lyric, "Still sucking life from the mainstream?" Ogre realizes that he "thinks he's evil" for thinking about ripping off these artists, "but you're not," but he's not, realizing it's okay to feel that way as long as you don't dwell on these feelings to much and sell out and move on and continue upon your own personal artistic venture. Lecture/rant over. Now could we all just move on and enjoy the music with proper context?
In fairness, Trent was always respectful towards Puppy and gave credit where due. I got into NIN first, then checked out SP because Trent namechecked them.
I met him after a show, and he said something to me that I will never forget. Listening to this years later, I finally understand what he said when he spoke. And you're dead on... I listen to other artists, but Ogre and cKey created the medium.
@Princess Stomper Yes and no. SP and NIN have had some issues... early NIN Trent WAS respectful, but by Downward/Fragile era, kinda shit on SP... even though they had done work together.
@@replicant1988 Reznor was trying to distance himself from the comparisons during that peak it seems. It was like he was "Can I just have my moment for fucks sake?" Creating masterpieces like Downward spiral and the Fragile and having them be commercial and critical successes is no small feat (many REAL forgettable knockoffs and imitators would follow) NIN stood tall on its own merits by then. The comparisons were lazy at that point Reznor has come full circle (time and maturity will do that) and whole heartedly cites Puppy as influencial in recent interviews
Is there anything like Ohgr? Honestly, I just love the fact that theyre just insanely wierd as well as their music. But you cant expect anything less from the frontman of skinny puppy, their both awesome as hell.
the people that complain or praise one or the other artist have to realise that this video isnt supposed to be a serious 'shit talk' or 'naysay' about NIN or EMINEM. ogre and trent are both cool guys and played together in pigface, hes mostly poking fun at the artists here (he even said himself in an interview) much like how eminem rips on other artists in his own songs. its not to be taken to heart. its a good and catchy song, and is a sweet video. its musical, artistic. and its very much ohGr.
@@jimhamsnow6950 They actually did! NINs "Suck" was a Trent and Ogre production and they performed the early pigface version live together. There you go - both together in '91: ruclips.net/video/fUC3LL8uUFQ/видео.html
I once saw an interview with Ogre and William Morrison (who played guitar in OhGr as well as did the video for the song). They said that the video wasn't a dig on Trent, but rather basically just poking a little fun at a friend.
@@lestermagoo The Tear Garden is good, as well as The Legendary Pink Dots which are arguably better than the Tear Garden. Either way, it’s all preference really. I enjoy Skinny Puppy, Pink Dots, Tear Garden, and ohGr all similarly. They’re all amazing in my mind and perfect for whatever mood I might be in :))
This comments section hurts my head. If you hate the music, go somewhere else. And, just to clarify, Ogre and Trent don't have any real "beef" with one another. They're moreso friends, and have even collaborated together in Pigface. This song is just a goofy poke.
I'm commenting from the future...it's 2023 on my time-line, I know your all excited about the new century and look forward to a new progressive amerika...I'm sorry to tell you that your currently living the best life you will ever know. Slow things down and soak it all up cuz this is as good as it will NEVER be again. Oh.. also Skinny Puppy did a reunion tour that started in 2013 and ends this year now that's commitment!
You are right. All this drama is mostly created by the fans. Trent has always been clear about who are the originators. Just like the Clash in the punk era he made it popular. And this coming from not that big a fan of NIN.
I know! Pore has always been one of my favs, though the entire Welt album was pretty damn awesome. I think it's pretty neat that bands still cover Kraftwerk, even if it is just the one song. ;)
Another thing.. under the Process logo in the beginning of the video, it says ""Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", or, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
Exactly! Trent never chose to be mainstream. his music just played on radio. When was the last time you heard Skinny Puppy or Ohgr on the radio? They're all amazing artists and if Skinny Puppy OR Ohgr got more air time radio wise they'd have a much larger following. They've all done a LOT for industrial and they are all enjoyable. Remember people, this video was done in jest to begin with ;-)
Ohgr didn't even know the NIN and Eminem shit was even in this video. It was a "surprise" by the animator. If anything Ohgr gets frustrated sometimes. He says that Reznor is 2 steps ahead of him musically. And the "March of the Pigs" in the video represents Ohgr being trampled by Trents success. And NIN is Independent now you know that right?
Sorry if that sounded harsh. There was an excellent german art piece with stop motion photography, it directly inspired this type of video .. It was very similar to the tool video with the moving meat through the water pipes.
Jan Svankmajer maybe? Not German but Czech, has some majorly creepy (and amazingly awesome) stop motion shorts & movies, some are here on RUclips. The Brothers Quay, who created the videos for Tool, have cited him as an influence and even named a film after him.
i'm sad, that's the whole NIN thing, and it's still like loving something, and the most popular thing that people know is a bastardization of what you love
I'm envious of anyone closer to the music I enjoy. I'm blown away that there are germans that only know of one industrial band. Like Ramstein and nothing else. It's funny how much Ohger loves the germans, and Nina Hagen loves americans!
I'm fucking pumped up for the WINTER TOUR! OHGR is hitting the road!!! FUCK!!! thats bad ass! and REPO is coming out in less than a month! fuck yeah! 08'/09' the years of Ohgr...and rumor has it that PUPPY is recording!!! FUCK! THE WORLD NEEDS THIS SHIT! MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE! THIS KINDA STUFF IS THE ONLY THING KEEPING CREATIVITY ALIVE IN MUSIC!
IF, in fact, it is to Trent: I find it funny, cos back on the PHM tour, there was this one girl I know who he was really nice to---and not a nasty person at all.
fortune teller with the cards:insane clown posse, light bulb headed character:garbage, march of the pigs:nine inch nails, rapper:emenim what is the minotaur and then the skeleton with the cigarrette?
Manablue Moonpix yeah tool also ripped off Front 242. Tools most popular album cover is a blatant rip-off of the modern angel album of Front 242. So yes they're clearly fans of industrial. However.........the point is......... it's not original. EEE HEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
William Morrison directed the video and a few other Ohgr videos, he also directed Skinny Puppy's killing game music video. he also happens to play live with Skinny Puppy and Ohgr when they tour.
I followed them since the mid 80's and thought this was the best anyone of them did outside of Skinny Puppy, even the new stuff is not that good. BRAP on!
Ohgr/Dave stated in an interview that the part with Trent was not originally suppose to be offensive. Though Trent really did sell out I think order of symbolic appearance are as follows: I think the lightbulb is suppose to be garbage. The fortune teller, Insane Clown Possse Trent,NiN And his march of pigs overwhelming Ohgr Eminem And lastly Ohgr himself reminiscent of his SP days Parody; Music Industry, Living up to, and binded to your past accomplishments. Video touches my heart
Yes that is one thing I will say you are right. I really don't think ohgr would that type of person. I have meet ohgr twice, and he was really cool. I don't think he would really do something like that. Mr. key on the other hand, who I am a huge fan of was very rude. But what can you say he is one of the best despite how he acts to a fan.
hahaha, funniest thing I've seen in a while. A little soldier guy(ogre) kills everything, then lets reznor walk all over him with his pigs...then gets shat on, starts to like rap, then realizes it sucks, so he kills more people, then he sees what he used to be, kills that too, his leg falls of, and he dies... hahahaha
Love this a good example of Jungs theory of the manifestation/projection/ and transmutation/ and Assimilation of the shadow within the human psyche. The Process had some good theories to work from As it is...so shall it be.
Um... for everyone who doesn't know the history/who Skinny Puppy is, the reason Trent Reznor is in this, isn't because he failed musically or anything, it's because he royally ripped off one of Skinny Puppy's song (Nivek Ogre AKA ohGr)
you're thinking of maynard from tool, i believe. and it was more of a brainstorm than a project, at least last i heard... and that was a long f'n time ago
Entirely you opinion. And I was not saying ANY of those groups you've mentioned sold out. I like Sister Machine Gun,Throbbing Gristle,Ministry,NIN,Skinny Puppy,Ohgr,FLA and Rammstein. Trent Reznor hasn't sold out. Hes been giving away MP3s for FREE and if you want a Vinyl or CD version pay. He has not been making near as much money as he used to. He cleaned up from drug addictions,got buff and started making new music which you don't like because its not the same psycho stuff he used to make.
Ive heard ogre often talked to fans who were suicidal. This song seems like a compilation of what he told people to not kill themselves. He should get an award or something for all the people he probably saved.
Strange you should mention it, I've seen Kraftwerk pop up on a few comment strings on youtube lately (probably helps when watching stuff like Gary Numan, lol) and I've even seen Throbbing Gristle pop up a couple of times! :)
About time someone see's that Kent Reznik is a put on,you all laughed when I said it,now Ohgr Says it you might listen... how about the hidden track Physical? look that up an Adam and the Ants song and said he was never paid for or given credit. Hard to suffer when you've been handed everything
The symbol for the Process Church of the final judgment on the out side of the building ,With Puppy he made a whole themed album based upon its principal's primary of which for the Process is the unification of Christ and Satan as well as Jehovah and Lucifer as one being and I believe within ones self the use of deity names being used for many reasons including religious, philosophical, and psychological and meant to relate to the nature of the universe and mans own internal nature.
I like that I listened to this as a teenager, now as a full grown man child, I actually feel it.
What can ya do? It's so deluded, give it up.
“Could iT Be That i Have GiVeN uP...???”
“We, the Peeps of tHiS... A. iN U.S. Brave N.W.Ordinance, o’Social MedioCrity’s Two Minutes of HaTE’s 15 minutes Of Shh... FAME.”
OhGr in general helped alot with my DID.
same
Me too
If anyone actually took the time to fully listen to or read all the lyrics to this song, and not just watch and pay attention to the video and nothing else, it's fairly obvious it isn't about Manson, Reznor, Eminem, and dissing them for whatever reason people would like to imagine, It's about Ogre acknowledging certain feelings of bitterness, resentment, and jealousy for not being more popular and having as much notoriety and fame as these other artists in Industrial music, despite being one of the main artists responsible for developing and popularizing the genre, and rightfully so, to an extent, and thinking about miming or aping their style to gain more popularity, being frustrated that he can't understand these artists, their music, and/or why it is so popular or how to be popular like them, expressed in the lyrics, "Feeling blind to all important scenes", then, despite these feelings, ultimately realizing he shouldn't care about such things and should "give it up," because "it's unoriginal," to try and copy other artists' style, as the song puts it, and should ignore these thoughts and focus on staying true to his own artistry.
I mean, everybody knows about how Trent straight up just admitted he ripped off "Dig It" for "Down In It", If anyone has the right to feel that way, it's him. I mean, how would you feel if someone admitted to straight up lifting your work when you helped develop and flesh out and establish a genre more and getting more popular then you? Wouldn't any normal person feel at least the slightest hint of resentment? Can you blame him? And despite that, Ogre still acknowledges these feelings are wrong in the lyrics and he shouldn't care and just focus on doing his own thing. So ultimately this song is Ogre introspecting more than anything else and it sounds to me like he isn't being critical towards other artists for selling out to appease a broader mainstream audience as many people might be led to believe as much as he is criticizing himself for even thinking about doing just that, hence the lyric, "Still sucking life from the mainstream?" Ogre realizes that he "thinks he's evil" for thinking about ripping off these artists, "but you're not," but he's not, realizing it's okay to feel that way as long as you don't dwell on these feelings to much and sell out and move on and continue upon your own personal artistic venture. Lecture/rant over. Now could we all just move on and enjoy the music with proper context?
In fairness, Trent was always respectful towards Puppy and gave credit where due. I got into NIN first, then checked out SP because Trent namechecked them.
I met him after a show, and he said something to me that I will never forget.
Listening to this years later, I finally understand what he said when he spoke.
And you're dead on...
I listen to other artists, but Ogre and cKey created the medium.
@Princess Stomper Yes and no. SP and NIN have had some issues... early NIN Trent WAS respectful, but by Downward/Fragile era, kinda shit on SP... even though they had done work together.
You are a man with knowledge..
@@replicant1988 Reznor was trying to distance himself from the comparisons during that peak it seems.
It was like he was "Can I just have my moment for fucks sake?"
Creating masterpieces like Downward spiral and the Fragile and having them be commercial and critical successes is no small feat (many REAL forgettable knockoffs and imitators would follow)
NIN stood tall on its own merits by then. The comparisons were lazy at that point
Reznor has come full circle (time and maturity will do that) and whole heartedly cites Puppy as influencial in recent interviews
Is there anything like Ohgr? Honestly, I just love the fact that theyre just insanely wierd as well as their music. But you cant expect anything less from the frontman of skinny puppy, their both awesome as hell.
I saw ohGr open for KMFDM in a small club during KMFDM’s Hell Yeah Tour it was awesome
Same here, Brighton Music Hall in Allston Ma.
Little venue, mostly standing area, great to be so close to the stage. Sticky floors.
Yep san diego ca . They got to do another tour together
Another moment documents the fleeting magic of what could have been. God that line always it's so clos to home. It's perfectly written
This song never gets old.
True dat.
I still like it my I'm Young and dumb
the people that complain or praise one or the other artist have to realise that this video isnt supposed to be a serious 'shit talk' or 'naysay' about NIN or EMINEM. ogre and trent are both cool guys and played together in pigface, hes mostly poking fun at the artists here (he even said himself in an interview) much like how eminem rips on other artists in his own songs. its not to be taken to heart. its a good and catchy song, and is a sweet video. its musical, artistic. and its very much ohGr.
It's all about shit talking about mainstream media, God I hate mainstream media
Pigface has like 300 members. There was a joke that "everyone is in pigface". I doubt ogre and trent worked that close on anything.
@@jimhamsnow6950 They actually did!
NINs "Suck" was a Trent and Ogre production and they performed the early pigface version live together.
There you go - both together in '91:
ruclips.net/video/fUC3LL8uUFQ/видео.html
I once saw an interview with Ogre and William Morrison (who played guitar in OhGr as well as did the video for the song). They said that the video wasn't a dig on Trent, but rather basically just poking a little fun at a friend.
This whole album is amazing. My favorite SP side project for sure. Thanks for the inspiration and getting me in the music business!
All props to Oghr, but there's no way his solo projects are better than Tear Garden. Pshaw!
@@lestermagoo The Tear Garden is good, as well as The Legendary Pink Dots which are arguably better than the Tear Garden. Either way, it’s all preference really. I enjoy Skinny Puppy, Pink Dots, Tear Garden, and ohGr all similarly. They’re all amazing in my mind and perfect for whatever mood I might be in :))
This comments section hurts my head. If you hate the music, go somewhere else. And, just to clarify, Ogre and Trent don't have any real "beef" with one another. They're moreso friends, and have even collaborated together in Pigface. This song is just a goofy poke.
crazy that this is 20 years old now
Older if you consider how long it took for ohGr to put out this album.
It was being made when Descent 2 on PC came out.
Truly
ive been looking for this song for at least 7 years!!!!
Great trolling by Ohgr
I just love the stopmotion in this music video. Gives it a lot of charm.
This is song is the enjoyable side of nature.
liking more than one band at once is hard
it's hard and nobody understands
He took influence from the various forms of foetus,fad gadget et al. too.. I'm still waiting for the new Chemlab to hit.
The gritty point of no return in someones life. Track is both godly and ungodly.
I'm glad this still slaps
This is a great video, I love the visual style.
I'm commenting from the future...it's 2023 on my time-line, I know your all excited about the new century and look forward to a new progressive amerika...I'm sorry to tell you that your currently living the best life you will ever know. Slow things down and soak it all up cuz this is as good as it will NEVER be again. Oh.. also Skinny Puppy did a reunion tour that started in 2013 and ends this year now that's commitment!
✔️💯
:')🤘
You are right. All this drama is mostly created by the fans. Trent has always been clear about who are the originators. Just like the Clash in the punk era he made it popular. And this coming from not that big a fan of NIN.
I know! Pore has always been one of my favs, though the entire Welt album was pretty damn awesome.
I think it's pretty neat that bands still cover Kraftwerk, even if it is just the one song. ;)
This is such a catchy song. I love it.
Man... this is good shit. RUclips needs more!
Another thing.. under the Process logo in the beginning of the video, it says ""Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", or, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
Exactly! Trent never chose to be mainstream. his music just played on radio. When was the last time you heard Skinny Puppy or Ohgr on the radio? They're all amazing artists and if Skinny Puppy OR Ohgr got more air time radio wise they'd have a much larger following.
They've all done a LOT for industrial and they are all enjoyable.
Remember people, this video was done in jest to begin with ;-)
Ohgr didn't even know the NIN and Eminem shit was even in this video. It was a "surprise" by the animator.
If anything Ohgr gets frustrated sometimes.
He says that Reznor is 2 steps ahead of him musically. And the "March of the Pigs" in the video represents Ohgr being trampled by Trents success.
And NIN is Independent now you know that right?
Yeah
@@bennybigiron8471 stop crying... Nin and skinny are awesome... And this thing to talk bad to another artist is so inmature....
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think ohGr and Trent did a track together in Pigface.
Love-love-love!!!
Sorry if that sounded harsh. There was an excellent german art piece with stop motion photography, it directly inspired this type of video ..
It was very similar to the tool video with the moving meat through the water pipes.
Jan Svankmajer maybe? Not German but Czech, has some majorly creepy (and amazingly awesome) stop motion shorts & movies, some are here on RUclips. The Brothers Quay, who created the videos for Tool, have cited him as an influence and even named a film after him.
kind of cute, kind of creepy, kind of relevant
i'm sad, that's the whole NIN thing, and it's still like loving something, and the most popular thing that people know is a bastardization of what you love
I'm envious of anyone closer to the music I enjoy. I'm blown away that there are germans that only know of one industrial band. Like Ramstein and nothing else. It's funny how much Ohger loves the germans, and Nina Hagen loves americans!
remember folks,if it wernt for this guy there probably be no NIN.
march of the pigs
ohohoho i get it. I wonder why ogre made fun eminem and trent in this vid. awesome song and video btw.
I didnt like this particular OhGr track at first but it is super fucking catchy, lol...
Same
this is some fresh tunage here. i like it
Love the march of the pigs reference in this video! LOL!
hellyeah NIN shirt
haha this video is PERFECT
THE SONG IS AMAZING !
"Could it be I am giving up?"
2:39 bad ass imagery! :)
what an ''un''original video clip waouwww
🤜✨🤛
I'm fucking pumped up for the WINTER TOUR! OHGR is hitting the road!!! FUCK!!!
thats bad ass! and REPO is coming out in less than a month! fuck yeah! 08'/09' the years of Ohgr...and rumor has it that PUPPY is recording!!! FUCK! THE WORLD NEEDS THIS SHIT! MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE! THIS KINDA STUFF IS THE ONLY THING KEEPING CREATIVITY ALIVE IN MUSIC!
What do you think now, years later? Do you wish these times back?
Isnt the world a total s show now?
you think youre evil but youre not ...
IF, in fact, it is to Trent: I find it funny, cos back on the PHM tour, there was this one girl I know who he was really nice to---and not a nasty person at all.
AWESOME ANIMATION!
The video and sound and song and animation reminds me of TOOL
fortune teller with the cards:insane clown posse, light bulb headed character:garbage, march of the pigs:nine inch nails, rapper:emenim what is the minotaur and then the skeleton with the cigarrette?
Awesome!!! OhGr is awesome!!!
skinny puppy all the way :)
Good lord 18 years ago? 😅
This is strangely awesome to listen to when you are pissed off at plastic people in your life.
We didn't listen to Ohgr, and now trent is working for Hollywood and Di$ney.
its official, I am in love with Ogre.
did the guys from tool make this video? cuz it looks like a tool video.....
Manablue Moonpix yeah it reminds me a lot of videos like ænima and sober. I wonder if theres a Way to look it up
Manablue Moonpix yeah tool also ripped off Front 242. Tools most popular album cover is a blatant rip-off of the modern angel album of Front 242. So yes they're clearly fans of industrial. However.........the point is......... it's not original. EEE HEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
William Morrison directed the video and a few other Ohgr videos, he also directed Skinny Puppy's killing game music video. he also happens to play live with Skinny Puppy and Ohgr when they tour.
I followed them since the mid 80's and thought this was the best anyone of them did outside of Skinny Puppy, even the new stuff is not that good. BRAP on!
Ohgr/Dave stated in an interview that the part with Trent was not originally suppose to be offensive. Though Trent really did sell out
I think order of symbolic appearance are as follows:
I think the lightbulb is suppose to be garbage.
The fortune teller, Insane Clown Possse
Trent,NiN And his march of pigs overwhelming Ohgr
Eminem
And lastly Ohgr himself reminiscent of his SP days
Parody; Music Industry, Living up to, and binded to your past accomplishments.
Video touches my heart
Yes that is one thing I will say you are right. I really don't think ohgr would that type of person. I have meet ohgr twice, and he was really cool. I don't think he would really do something like that. Mr. key on the other hand, who I am a huge fan of was very rude. But what can you say he is one of the best despite how he acts to a fan.
I lol'd.
beautiful
hahaha, funniest thing I've seen in a while. A little soldier guy(ogre) kills everything, then lets reznor walk all over him with his pigs...then gets shat on, starts to like rap, then realizes it sucks, so he kills more people, then he sees what he used to be, kills that too, his leg falls of, and he dies... hahahaha
I love skinny puppy but this is best Coimpilation EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for everybody
Love this a good example of Jungs theory of the manifestation/projection/ and transmutation/ and Assimilation of the shadow within the human psyche.
The Process had some good theories to work from As it is...so shall it be.
+Karma Black
I am curious to know how you see that process unfolding in this vid.
Me too!
DO tell!
The Best!!!
lol
first I didn't understand
awesome!
@CinnaMint Roman Dirge did the cover art for the album this song was is on, so probably why the two were related.
DAMN IT, this song and video are fucking amazing.
thats down in it.
to be fair william morrison put all the trent and eminem characters as a surprise and didnt originally tell ogre about them...
trent said himself that his song "down in it"
was completely inspired by skinny pup's "dig it"
Pretty Hate Machine should have been titled Pretty Blatant Skinny Puppy Rip Off.
Whoa.
lmfao :) take it, take it, take it
Génio !
Biorobot: yes, that is the emblem for the Process Church.
Holy shit, will everyone stop talking about NIN vs ohGr? NIN is awesome, ohGr is awesome, now drop it.
ill be his paper ballerina...
Wait are we having the "what's industrial and what's not conversation?".... that never gets boring to read, how tragic.
bravo!!!
this is fuckin brilliant. saynomore.
crazy vid xD
Ohgr is the industrial pioneer. We may admire the germans for Die Krups and Ramstein, but they admire us for Ohgr and Skinny Puppy.
Nothing to admire with Krupps and Ramstein, really. And i am german lol.
Awesome song.
catchy!... like Trent & Eminem too, dont care about the mainstream level.
As theultrahvybeat says, "Trent never chose to be mainstream."
Wouldn't it be cool if Reznor stopped sucking and made an album worth listening to again?
great song :D
Um... for everyone who doesn't know the history/who Skinny Puppy is, the reason Trent Reznor is in this, isn't because he failed musically or anything, it's because he royally ripped off one of Skinny Puppy's song (Nivek Ogre AKA ohGr)
The truth is not always such an easy pill to swallow.
you're thinking of maynard from tool, i believe. and it was more of a brainstorm than a project, at least last i heard... and that was a long f'n time ago
Entirely you opinion.
And I was not saying ANY of those groups you've mentioned sold out. I like Sister Machine Gun,Throbbing Gristle,Ministry,NIN,Skinny Puppy,Ohgr,FLA and Rammstein.
Trent Reznor hasn't sold out. Hes been giving away MP3s for FREE and if you want a Vinyl or CD version pay. He has not been making near as much money as he used to. He cleaned up from drug addictions,got buff and started making new music which you don't like because its not the same psycho stuff he used to make.
This song's lyrics are awefully... coherent lol, too coherent.
Compared to his work in Skinny Puppy, this is a shock to the senses :P
Ive heard ogre often talked to fans who were suicidal. This song seems like a compilation of what he told people to not kill themselves. He should get an award or something for all the people he probably saved.
Strange you should mention it, I've seen Kraftwerk pop up on a few comment strings on youtube lately (probably helps when watching stuff like Gary Numan, lol) and I've even seen Throbbing Gristle pop up a couple of times! :)
About time someone see's that Kent Reznik is a put on,you all laughed when I said it,now Ohgr Says it you might listen... how about the hidden track Physical? look that up an Adam and the Ants song and said he was never paid for or given credit. Hard to suffer when you've been handed everything
Were they trying to dis NIN with the logo on the person on the pig? I love NIN, I'm not sure what problem Ogre would have with Trent...
So cuuuute : >
nice music for kids
The symbol for the Process Church of the final judgment on the out side of the building ,With Puppy he made a whole themed album based upon its principal's primary of which for the Process is the unification of Christ and Satan as well as Jehovah and Lucifer as one being and I believe within ones self the use of deity names being used for many reasons including religious, philosophical, and psychological and meant to relate to the nature of the universe and mans own internal nature.
Music´s Music´s whether you like it or not.
eeeEEEEEEEEEEE
awesome! :D
I came across this through Roman Dirge... weird huh? lol
Lasciate ogne speranza voi ch'intrate....
Abandon hope, all ye who enter here..
Oh,and the toy soldier in the video IS OhGr. He seems to confront his past self (with the SP Live costume).