BYD Double Deck Battery Electric Bus In London
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- A film showing the experimental battery-electric BYD K8SR double deck buses which were introduced in London in 2016.
There will eventually be five of these buses, BYD1471 - BYD1475. They are used London daytime bus route No.98 and night time route No.N98. So far (24th July 2016) the first four buses have arrived.
The best way to find which of these buses is in service plus its direction of travel and approximate location is to search on the bus route on the "London Vehicle Finder" at lvf.io
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These buses look epic! Thanks for sharing the video. And now i know why some double Decker buses have no rear window on the bottom deck. I really appreciate your videos.
I had the chance to see it when it was presented at Busworld Kortrijk last year, and I liked it, also that was the first and only time I saw a left hand traffic bus
Sound of the future!
The design of the bus looks very outdated indeed, but that's actually what I like about it. It's a blast from the past. These days we've got so many 'modern' fleet like NB4L or Enviro400 MMC that are gradually replacing older fleet, so it is nice to see this more 'classic' design coming in.
The front of the BYD looks similar to a Myllenium Vyking. For some reason it also reminds me of the Leyland Titan. From the side, the rear angle looks like an ALX400. The upper deck windows look like a President.
非常安靜。
Beyond Your Dream=BYD from Xi'an China
Lovely buses and thanks for sharing
Thanks, I've never heard that name before but I can understand why they used this name.
actually it's Build Your Dream, anyway it's the same meaning.
Oliver Zhang it's Build Your Dream and they're from Shenzhen, the tech capital of the world ;)
I'm surprised, it's an awesome bus. Thank you for made all this videos, I like how you present the buses (inside & outside), it's a complete experience and I'm learning so much about London buses.
Since last year I'm trying to adapt a video format to present Transantiago's buses (much less advanced and comfortable than your buses hahaha) and your videos give me some ideas. Thank you and greetings! :)
Hello, I send best wishes for your attempts to get better buses on Transit Santiago.
Thanks for the ride!
BYD build your dreams
Thank you Putting up this Film. Thank you for the notes. Keep up the great work
Thanks! :-)
great video! nice to know about this.
The interior reminds me of metrolines old plaxton presidents
Very nice bus！ There are so many many diesel-powered Dennis Double-deckers in Hong Kong，hope to see an electric one soon. Guess a double-decker needs a heavier chassis in order to keep the tall buss stable, so battery packs can be the right weights.
I suspect that the bus companies in Hong Kong will be watching this bus. The dilemma is that the weight of the batteries and the space they use reduce the effective carrying capacity and range (distance that can be travelled on one charge) of the bus.
What could be done to reduce these issues is to have fewer batteries and run the bus as a part-time trolleybus. Whilst in this mode the batteries could also be recharged. One of the cities which does this is Beijing, the Chinese capital city. They wanted to use pure battery buses but after a few years decided that battery technology was not yet viable. Beijing is also expanding its trolleybus network.
The acceleration is impressive
Instant torque.
0-40 in 4 seconds
Trump: those buses are a national security threat! They can destroy our gas guzzling bus manufacturers! must ban!
This is england..... trump is the president of usa not england
@@rapstninja wooosh
You joke, but...
It is from CHINA BYD, I'm from Hong Kong, We bought Some BYD K9D
All of them are great for Hong Kong.
By the way, Hong Kong and China
Have developed an electrical bus too, these buses are so quiet, and the accelerate is so amazing, really hope Hong Kong can have this double-decker bus as well
Hong Kong and China？你不是中国人吧
@@pfzheng6501 英語語境通常說Hong Kong and China，外國人聽懂沒問題。
Even that, Hong Kong buses 98% are from the UK, not China😂
Hong Kong have many hills and buses should have the ability to climb them. Using this K8S is not enough to climb Hong Kong's many steep slope.
Isnt it the K9R?
Impressive and ideal for low speed urban applications. Wonder how much is saved on fuel using electricity?
But seeing it is in the UK and not Norway or New Zealand, you're basically still burning other "fuel" sources, but it is just done elsewhere.
So it's mostly a placebo effect when people think it is Zero emissions.
@@chrischoy9
But it will clean up vehicle emissions in cities and consequently reduce associated health costs.
Good video! just need to ride on it now
BYD buses ❤🇨🇳
It's a no from me
it does look similar to Hong Kong
lithium titanate battery buses with 5 minute charging are availible also now for charging points at bus stops
I like capacitors which last the lifetime of the bus. Opportunity charging is great for some routes and definitely should be in daily service here in the UK (not just London!), but so should in motion charging - which if used could solve the issue of battery electric double deck buses not being able to carry both a full complement of passengers and stay below the legally mandated axle weight limits
Aren"t BYD and ADL (Alexander-Dennis) in Partnership? That can only be a good thing....Great Video Thanks for Posting!
Its so quick to 20 mph the electric buses are fast
is bus company speed locked! for safe!
.....just as electric trolleybuses were!
Excellent video.
Thanks!
I think i saw a gemini 1, quite old, now, they been taken away from service in 2018? 2:12
When the back door closes. Why is there no beeping sound?
There can be a rear window. The Spanish electric buses on trial in London have rear windows!
Because of the battery weight and size the rest of the bus becomes smaller and yet heavier.....
I just missing; " Mind the Gape"
Just think about the massive batteries it has.
What is the autonomy
Massive golf carts. But seriously, are these buses still running in 2020? And if so - how they are performing range wise? Thanks.
Yes they are running in 2020, as for their range, hmm. I have no hard facts but I suspect that this has become an issue and might explain why they are now used on 'second tier' services (including schools services) to the north of London.
the problem with buses are the fact that their interior are so cheap. we should make mass fleet of buses with the interior of a premium sedan.
Outside of London there are some much nicer buses. I am adding photos showing some of them to by website (should be done by end November 2016).
citytransportinfo why doesn't London do that? Like charging and WiFi like Milton Keynes?
Remember these are demonstrator buses as proof of concept, and have a mix of BYD home market (Chinese) spec with a handful of TfL touches. I'm guessing the interior more closely follows what Chinese domestic operators go for - or maybe a bare bones template the operator is expected to specific additional options for. Look at things like the personal air con vents and arm rests that are not the norm on TfL - also no real branding presence - it's clearly not what any final build for TfL would be like.
This is only on the 699 now
verynice
Ahh ok very goid idea sapagvking sino man ang invention ng bus na ito..
Did BYD build the bodies, too?
with these buses, yes.
good
just thinking the BUS STOPPING sound should be the standard bell
this train terminates here fCd
Neat but that stopping chime...
It is just a electrical bus what is so special about it!
For a battery bus this is unusual, as the weight of the batteries usually restricts the daily range before recharging becomes necessary and (to avoid breaching the axle weight limit) also means that the passenger capacity must be reduced.
This is why I favour trolleybuses with 'in-motion charging'. The bus will carry fewer batteries and instead be able to carry a full complement of passengers. The short range limitation will be avoided by the bus travelling in trolleybus mode for part of the journey and (at the same time) recharging its batteries.
Nice..
What battery can power a double decker bus?
They choose lithium iron phosphate, to my knowledge the most common battery type in electric buses. Take a look at 0:27, you can't see through the last window, the batteries and probably other technology is behind there. In the single decker bus they use the space having a raised seating platform on top of the batteries, but I assume in a double decker they had no head clearance left for that.
It's a shame, but understandable in the London context. There's a lot of low rail bridges around the city, and even with existing double decks the clearance is *very* tight. The only other thing I could think of would be mounting them in batches under the seats along the lower deck and in the void under the stairs, and over the luggage area/front passenger side wheel arch. You'd gain lower cabin length, but it would restrict passengers view forwards which might make the cabin feel somewhat claustrophobic, even though you'd have more seating areas.
jlwc88 well considering proterra make 200 mile range electric buses...
If only Singapore bring in the second BYD Demonstrator which will more likely be this.
Yeah, except, they would have to run the AC on all the time there, and the range would be crap making it not ideal.
Nice video. I have a question; something important that goes along with public transportation is culture. In your personal experience how much respect or culture do people from London have for their PT? and How different, good or bad, is it from other PCs in other cities or countries? Thank you.
That is a very difficult question. The best that I can offer an an answer is that some people respect it whilst others do not / detest it.. Part of the issue here is that especially at busy times the trains are like sardine tins and people only tolerate such overcrowded travelling conditions when they have no other options. Then there are the strikes... such as are ongoing on routes to the south of London.
Graffiti vandalism is less severe here in the UK than I've seen in Europe. In some places (eg: Rome, Italy) the graffiti has been so bad that passengers standing on the platform can only see where the train doors are when they open.
I suspect that there is more respect in Asia (Singapore, etc), but also that people have lower expectations and will tolerate travelling conditions (especially crowding) which Europeans will not accept.
I've never been to India / Pakistan / South Africa but from what I've seen in photographs these places also accept overcrowding and general travelling conditions which would not be tolerated here.
I hope this helps.
BYD К10 eBUS
Another nice video. A few questions/comments if i may. 1) do you the weight of the bus? batteries tend to be heavy. 2) is a 'single-charge' enough for 'one shift'? 3) can batteries be 'topped-up' at 'lay-bys/rest points/turnabouts'? 4) no rear window is a big fail...but guess it not one of the set 'requirements' of TfL/London Buses. 5) some those seats look very cramped for leg-room. 6) the 'arm-rests' at the rear seem more for stopping anyone laying down for a sleep rather than 'comfort'? 7) it has a quite 'tacky' look inside for such a new/'ground-breaking bus. 8) shame on the NB4L for not being fully-electric...think they missed a big opportunity. 9) what the costs of these buses? 10) thanks for reading! ;)
Hello,
From memory* these buses weigh 13 tonnes, with the batteries weighing 2.5 tonnes. I understand that to be able to carry a reasonable number of passengers the buses have been given a derogation to weigh one tonne more than the usual weight limit for buses.
With fresh batteries a 4.5 hour charge is enough for a single shift.
The buses are not "opportunity charged". This means that they only charge their batteries at the bus garage - and not at the locations you mentioned.
The lack of rear window is because the back of the bus is used by the batteries. This is the area from approximately the middle of the rear wheels all the way to the very back.
Yes, especially downstairs the seating is cramped. Fortunately I'm not too tall, but a person who has long legs and is 6ft / 2 metres tall will feel cramped.
I've no idea about the arm rests. My thoughts are that few people will use them.
London's single deck BYD buses were also noted for their less than wonderful interiors, this explains why the initial batch of 51 will use BYD chassis plus British bodywork.
The NB4L and NRM are bigger buses with twin staircases. Because of their weight they can not carry enough batteries to power them for a full shift.
I thought I overheard someone say that these cost £850,000 each! I might have mis-heard, however the reality is that when anything new is made the initial batch tends to be for trialling and therefore is small... which translates to higher costs. This also happened with the New Bus For London project!
Thanks for watching and commenting
*When I knew the buses were coming I collected some information about them and placed it somewhere safe. Because these buses have been off the road so much since their official launch I've had time to forget where I put that data... which is a nuisance. Otherwise I'd have included more facts and figures in the film.
Many thanks for the informative reply. I had a 'feeling' that these buses may been 'over-weight'. Find it slightly unfair that the UK produced NB4L had to 'obey' the rules and thus had to not have a proper air-con system/be fully electric whilst a non-UK/EU company is permitted to trial buses that are over-weight? As far as I was aware the weight-rules are those imposed by DoT in so much as any vehicle (bus or truck) over a certain weight requires a additional axle? I understand that these buses are 100% 'green'/non-polluting at point of use (and that may be the reason for the "exception") but what about a 'level-playing' field for other suppliers? As for the interior...they should be required to supply the trial buses with a 'London' style one from the outset...if 'we'/TfL/London Buses are going to invest/spend money then we should be setting the standards and not taking 'off-the-peg' stuff.
The Hydrogen buses also have some sort of weight exception, and it might be that to make battery buses more viable the weight limit will be raised.
Why does the stop request sound funny?
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Thy are demonstrator vehicles so a lot of the components are probabaly still setup as the defaults for the Chinese home-market - different chimes and the like. If you like at the upper deck you can see there's personal air con vents too, which TfL don't use (the hopper windows look like they've been added after to the cater to the British preference for sultry, humid, diesel scented draughts when travelling in London rather than a/c), as well as the arm rests downstairs. Hopefully TfL will see the light and put in a serious order for these but leave the spec closer to original.
Think these are the times 98 went Russell Square where i terminate on the 14
It's a bit strange that the exit doors do not have a buzzer.
I was very surprised, maybe though they do have some sort of buzzer but it was not working.
I thought London ditched all the double decker buses. 🤔
Or was it just the bendy ones?
the bendy buses were ditched - we still have many double deckers!
Bendy buses were squashing cyclists
Nice video but why are there opening windows when there is air conditioning? Does the air con work properly?
Are these air-conditioned? Or is it only the driver's cab that has the air-conditioning?
@@CitytransportInfoplus the whole bus is air conditoned
Why don't these vehicles carry the newest blinds, in which the destination would be 'Willesden' with 'BUS GARAGE' below it?
sorry I have no idea
Hope all the drivers have the fire brigade on speed dial
mlps93 Yeah, because it's not as if diesel trucks and buses don't over heat and catch fire with regular frequency.
Mugs64 He's saying that because it's Chinese
Is there going to be an video of them operating routes 692/699?
I am unsure at the moment - where exactly do these routes operate and are they full-time or just schools buses? If schools buses I would not want to film them when carrying children
@@CitytransportInfoplus just school childeren but uno might be able to squeeze you into the depot. new liveries aswell now.
... I mean I need to ride it!
A great tool to help you find it is the London Vehicle Finder website lvf.io - searching on the bus route will reveal all the buses in service at that time or earlier in the day, plus their destination and approximate location. These buses show up as BYD147x with x being a number between 1 and 5 (this varies according to the specific vehicle).
good video, are there going to be more than 5
maybe, but its too soon to know. A serious issue is the amount of space taken up on the lower deck by the batteries. If there was a fleet of these there would need to be extra buses just to carry the same number of passengers.
Warren Buffett has invested ton of money in this Chinese BYD company.
BYD have done very well using this money to create something that many countries around the planet want.
Metroline really need a new interior
true because I don't like it
2:04 is no one gonna talk about the 25 in edgware road
I took that electric bus before 🚌
The exterior is horrible in my opinion. However, I am loving those fan controls overhead
Travel Hub yep. It's awesome. Don't really get to it all the time, I live town of London not the city. So I don't see it often
if they bring this to stagecoach and has those metal things at the front I will call it scania omnicity mmc
Seems to have a lot of motor noise.
Considering the torque the motor need to push out and not a PWN one it’s quite good
these weren't allowed cos they were too fast apparently (yes no joke) according to TFL so Uno has them instead for school services on the 689/699 TFL really does not like you going over 20 even though 30 was perfectly fine for a top speed which goes to show
Thanks for the information - I thought that their batteries were beginning to fade so they were sold for use on less intensive services. But what you say about speed sounds very logical - TfL at its worst!
But its not just urban roads where they have messed with speed limits - on many outer-suburban faster roads designed for higher speeds TfL also reduced speed limits from 70 to 50, simply as a matter of policy, because they thought that people should only travel at 70 on motorways - not A roads, even if built to motorway standards.
These are now my sch buses
yes, once you start going to school again when the schools reopen in March 2021 and the rollback of the virus lockdown commences.
@@CitytransportInfoplus In 2053
So, made in china is good.
It will be bad if you are a bottom feeder in heavy debt.
Hydrogen is the future not electricity
For road transport hydrogen can be used to create electricity to power electric motors or to power a fossil fuel type of engine that has been designed (or adapted) for hydrogen fuel.
What's the top speed?
sorry, I do not know
Basically, 120km/h, but under London bus speed limit, 113km/h
@@CitytransportInfoplus top speed is 40mph
That bell D;
Overall does not sound quieter compared to the single deckers (electric or diesel) because the motor transmission is quite whinny when in motion..in fact it somewhat sounds like those Voith/ZF automatic gears used in diesel buses when in those situations the main source of noise when in motion tends to come more from the gearbox transmission instead of the engine itself which is not noticibly noisy once the vehicle is moving.
Only when totally stationary would i regard an electric bus as quieter than a diesel or natural gas bus ?
Also the (usual) squeaky cracking noises from the bodywork doesn't feel as 'solid' as those Wright or Hispano bodywork.
Where is the bodywork from ? Sounds Walter Alexander or now, Alexander Dennis to me ??
Off course not, noise dampening is an afterthought in case of buses. At least a Diesel V8 sounds kinda cool.
HseOChin My highlander has interior squeaking sound when it is new. When the vehicle is moving, the structure does flex. And add on to interior fitment not very well, you will hear the squeaking everywhere
Are these BYD buses replacing the Volvo hybrids? The Volvo's have a nicer interior and a big rear door. Thanks
These BYD deckers are on long term trial. What happens next remains to be seen.
citytransportinfo BYD has a factory in California now for the U.S/Canada market. Did Volvo go full electric or still hybrids? How do you like them? Thanks
What are they called?
How does this perform when climbing steep hills? Would it be able to match a trolleybus when hill climbing?
I think a bus route without any significant hills was chosen so that this sort of issue could be avoided
Thank you for replying. I had hoped for a more comprehensive answer, so perhaps I may ask again. How does its performance on hills compare with that of a trolleybus?
JohnTheRails the torque that electic motor created could be far far more than you think! new technology can let a elec-car get to100kph in 3 sec, dont believe yah, at first i didnt believe either!
A typical electric motor has a lot of torque at the low end, in fact its maximum torque is normally where the speed is 0. They are very good at accelerating from 0-60, climbing hill and towing heavy load when compare to internal combustion engines.
JohnTheRails Generally electric cars can out-torque diesel and petrol cars. I bet this bus will out-torque a usual bus. Elon Musk has recently talked about an electric semi and said it will out-torque a diesel semi uphill. The Tesla Truck will be unveil on the 26 October according to Elon Musk.
BYD, Bring Your Dollars - quoted from the CEO of BYD. Now I presume the slogan should be modified to BYP, Bring Your Pounds.
BYD = Bring Your Dream! I think you know that.
@@KayyHong Bring your CCP board members
Is it the only china bus type to be in london
London has two single deck BYD eBuses, these can be seen at this link: ruclips.net/video/XEKJSMqhYKk/видео.html (dateline July 2016)
Later this year (2016) London will be getting 51 eBuses which use BYD chassis (and batteries, motors etc) and British bodywork. These will be used on routes 507 and 521.
Built in Scotland, incorporating parts from China, at least for the time being!
声音似乎有点奇怪
Come in Japan, !
That is quite possibly the worst bus bell in the world.
The bell is also electric 🤣🤣🤣
It sounds like the engine of an EMU train. Both the exterior and interior designs are quite poor though...
The sounds are because its electric.
The BYD buses London is buying for routes 507 and 521 will only use BYD chassis - the bodywork is coming from ADL in Scotland and will be similar to one of their existing bus designs.
For me the outside and inside design looks outdated like this bus model is out for like 10 years
Well its experimental, so the bodywork is not the main feature. The 51 BYD single deck buses which London will be using on routes 507 and 521 will use BYD chassis with British bodywork (ADL Enviro 200 MMC, I think) so will look more modern.
+citytransportinfo thanks
+citytransportinfo btw did you have a website or a fb page of yours ?
Hello, on Facebook I am facebook.com/citytransportinfo/
I have a website at citytransport.info Ironically these buses are yet to appear on it, but that will change within the next week or so.
I also have a second website at:
plus london-railfan.info
Thanks for asking, Simon
+citytransportinfo thanks a lot I really appreciate !
Come X what does one ☝️
WhAt
a an entire carbon fibre version body and frame electric be would be much lighter. lighter vehicle less load on motor.
and it would be much more expesnive :P
BYDO
couldn't have given it a more tacky sounding bell if they'd bought it from alibaba
at least its audible!
Forget and scrap the Boris buses.
More electric busses at route 69 since december 2015 ruclips.net/video/-R-EAveoejI/видео.html
I have my own film of these buses in December 2015 at this link.
ruclips.net/video/rJ3wmsA5qeo/видео.html
The Enviro 400EV Is better
Carbon fibre bodies too!!!!!!!!!!!
ANNOYING SOUND
Derek Ho and m
Yeah, noise dampening is an afterthought in case of buses. At least a diesel V8 sounds sexy. ;)
what a ugly bus
Leo Beaumont you too?
this is why uk people buy them
@@Momoco1212 lol have you seen the Gemini 2s?
@@dedoelmx oh god,do they look ugly....
It is from CHINA, I'm from Hong Kong,We bought Some BYD K9D
But all of them are not great for Hong Kong.
By the way, Hong Kong and China
Have developed a electrical bus too,do you know what happened?
It burn down because somethimg went wrong.They burn down in Yuen Long. Things from China is not great.
Another Chinese hater. Shame you cos you are....
Lok109c WTF,bullshit.
英語最起碼的單復數都不會使用就別用英文了好嗎？
纽约用，伦敦用，东京用，仆街港灿就甘7贱，得果几百万人口，买你老味，你当正自己个市场好大~~~?
Cant seem to find any evidence to your claim. Mind to back it up with sources?