FW de Klerk | Legacy of last apartheid president - Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2021
- Many South Africans have mixed feelings about FW de Klerk. The last apartheid leader passed away at the age of 85 following a battle with asbestos cancer. In the wake of his passing, the FW de Klerk foundation released a pre-recorded video, his last message to the nation. For more, eNCA speaks to Executive Director of the FW De Klerk Foundation Dave Steward, PAC President Mzwanele Nyhontso and former anti apartheid activist Father Michael Lapsley. Courtesy #DStv403
THANK YOU MY AFRICAN LEADER TRUTH AT ITS PUREST
There is one thing people doesn't understand is that pain , suffering ,anger and emotions will never run/directed by any constitution whether you like it not .
@christo bosman there's no African whites only Europeans
@@tfmkhonza5084 European settlers can never be African whites . The so called Whites are Europeans .
@@philipbanda6637 as i said yes true
That Racist Dave makes me furious 😤
😂 hahaha what racist action made you so furious? Or is it his whitness that triggered you ? 😄🤣😂
@@aaronrathbone6693 u mean red. I wont call that white. That red face
@@dumz7958 you just called the man racist ? What is your reason ? Because he is red or pink ? What is the reason he makes you call him a racist ??
@@aaronrathbone6693 Ex Sir, chill the man is racist. I not in the mood for a debate 2day
@@dumz7958 debates need fact and logic you can't find either ..
The painful thing we can’t paint all whites with the same paint is not all who hurt us let us be one now, so that together we can build our new beautiful South Africa 🇿🇦 For now what is our going forward we must leave the past nd forgive and forget as long as we don’t want to forgive, we block our ways of going forward wakeup South Africa and build our country, black and white nd others we belong here no ways let us be United. We are all the body of Christ in Jesus mighty name amen 🙏🏻🙌🙌
Sorry but that’s not reality….
@@Oneworld_Mdu 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Ngase Bantu baziqhelise ukuba noxolo uThixo Azolisikelela ilizwe lase South Africa intsikelelo sizibambe ngokwethu.
It's time the opposition question mandela's legacy then the truth will come out cos ppl have bottled up grief as a result of unattended sorrow.
Preach!
Word!
Why do you question the legacy of a transitional leader like Nelson Mandela? What did Mandela do wrong for handing South Africa over to the majority? What you do with South Africa TODAY is up to you and the current leadership. Mandela did His part in the struggle, let others also do theirs. Leave Mandela alone, please.
@@Ilovestb or, we can pretend that we live in a society that honors free speech and freedom of expression, just like Mandela fought for.
NO one is beyond reproach or perfect bar the almighty himself, understanding our leaders strengths and flaws within the context of history is critical if we mean to learn from the past.
The truth is never a bad idea and when it’s understood in its entirety, we can comprehend, debate, absorb and hopefully- learn.
@@Ilovestb He was not a saint as de klerk put it.So FW knew his villainous character and that must be revealed so that no one alive should remain untouchable.
Eish that thing of being angry, I don't think can pave the way to democracy and being free to every different races of this country.
100% It will prison n kill you...blood was spilt on both sides but it doesn't change our bad present situation...
Do unto other as you like them to do to you
De Clerk Did his part in dismantling Apartheid.
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Kea le Boga, Thabiso. There are NO leaders who are perfect! Even Mandela compromised his integrity by befriending horrible dictators, like Gaddafi, for instance, because Gaddafi was helping to fight apartheid, but for his own evil reasons.
so touching for an excellent video
If we can all stop hypocritsm and try or force ourselves to love each other at least greet our naighbours, will get closer to the total liberty for the sake of our Children, the new generation.
Believe me the anger we still have against the Apartheid is that some are still doing unacceptable deesds against Africans 'blacks' saying words that are really unacceptable by any human beings.
I may be mixing and saying same words but this will heal all of us and live in harmony.
So is GBV of the table of discussion now.? Or is it less important
When did you buy the land
Good questions for thieves.... Give an answer we are listening 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pres. De Klerk as Pres. Gorbachev and Pres. Mandela were incredibly brave leaders -
@christo bosman it takes courage to make decisions you can only hope is for the best - this country is so diverse it is impossible to satisfy everyone unfortunately. A coward does nothing!
@christo bosman I cannot believe that to be honest- I guess we will never know.
I don't buy it because Pik was also party to the changes De Klerk motivated - they were central figures at codesa -
Mandela was a nightmare for us SA Black people
@@tfmkhonza5084 I considered him a wonderful human being - all that responsibility ,trying to satisfy all sides , must have been a nightmare for the poor guy. I was conditioned to distrust him yet he became my hero.
The reporter is BIAS!
These people have no shame!!!!!!!💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
There's a time and place for everything
Most South Africans are united this isn't an opinion it's supported by extensive polling
It's platforms like this through controlled narratives keeping hatred alive attempting to divide it's citizens
No we don't want Tutu's dream, we want our land back period!
@@maartendupreez8197 boer mentality
Your land? The Khoisan were here before your ancestors or mine
@@maartendupreez8197 as Zim failed but it was sanctions that failed Zim its what you u can do
@@wernersteynberg4034 twisted history Europeans always saying that
@@tfmkhonza5084 a standard response of denial
Why would dave smile as he does!?
🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
Also the cosas 4
Nyhontso criticises whites for calling themselves "Europeans" and thus saying we whites have no right to be here. He mentions the 1820 settlers. He seems to have wiped out a people calling themselves AFRIKANERS (the Afrikaans word for "Africans" . . . who clearly, long ago in history, said they are no longer Europeans. I truly do not know how he gets to the logic of this land belonging only to Africans. Many Africans who came down south here were "settlers" and "colonial conquerers" too. Someone please explain to me the basis for his argument. Also, like Afro-Americans, I do think we whites should more accurately call ourselves Euro-Africans, instead of just "Europeans". Just like the blacks in America acknowledge they are no longer pure Africans, we whites here should acknowledge, and most of us do, our very deep sense of being rooted in Africa.
Mzwanele Nyhontso i feeel you my brother you tounge is very sharp and reopenning wounnds
he shouted like a buffoon hahahahaha insults rather than facts 🤣
that white guy laughing is a mood
What mood?😒
@@hafsahthwala5458 Imagine white people are at least 7 percent of the population and blacks are 80 percent. But whites have these arrogance towards blacks that i don't seem to understand. Why can't blacks just take over?
@@neilnelson7603 take over what ? As a black South African i worry what would happen if black Africans took over the land . I say that because black people took over eskom what has happened after that? Black South Africans took over politics and look how dirty our townships are ? If the same black South Africans will take over land I can guarantee you we will have load shedding (in food), we will starve to death similar to what happened in Zimbabwe . As a black South African the African leaders we have , have disappointed me so much , i would have loved it if our black leaders had really made a success story after taking over apartheid but instead they have been a disappointment and it saddens me .
@@I_love_science I really doubt you're an African SA. The fact that you compare Apartheid with the current situation is a demonstration that you're white Apartheid denialist. I won't give up my freedom to live freely in Africa for some materialistic gains. I rather strive to change that neighbourhood than go back to Apartheid.
@@I_love_science I don't if u are delusional or what.
The smug on the white boy 😂😂😂 I love the arrogance
Africans are taking South africans land. This land its nor Africa's land. It's south africans land
Land ownership. The one who owns the land has the means of production. It's hard to bring people in conflict to an understanding. Especially if Each camp plays victim
You mean like the Transkie or maybe the Ciskie? Aaah not that ? KwaZulu ? No maybe Venda ? Not that one maybe Zimbabwe? These people own the land and means of production so please explain to me why these are not producing in excess ?
Theo! I understand all the pain of the victims, and the anger. But making a statement like "the one who owns the land has the means of production" is a highly simplistic statement! Production comes from an incredible accumulation of knowledge and skill, organisational abilities, business acumen, etc. etc. It takes education and experience and land without all those other things = a land lying fallow. I, a white man, regularly tells ex-National party whites that the fact is that due to the apartheid regime we lost out on 50 years of education . . .We could have had a far more skilled, educated multi-racial community if it was not for that. Usually the response is anger towards me . . .people don't want to feel guilty . . .
@@worldwithoutwar8622 Education is needed for one to gain necessary knowledge.
Opportunities, levelled playing field, beyond "truth and reconciliation commission"
Empowerment, systematic empowerment.
It's a complex web.
We all agree with no war world, but not willing to reach middle ground at that.
Fast to pull trigger on others but if done to us we claim world has been too harsh on us.
@@theodoregiftmoonga1880 Kea le Boga, Gift. Yeh . . .that is why the human race is a dangerous species . . . trigger-happy, easily ready to fight. History proves this. Thanks for writing . . .
@@worldwithoutwar8622 we do a lot of harmful things to each other. Selfishness, corruption are taking central stage.
It's no wonder wars never end. Today it's Ethiopia, not who knows the instability in many countries and terrorism, targeting children, genocide 💔 all this while we stand and watch. Shameful. Hurts 🤕 deeply to state the least 😭💔
We as south African we don't apriciate anything that De Klerk has done ,he did nothing what we wanted from the start was a land.instead we got the opposite, majority we not happy
@@maartendupreez8197 cave man thinking
Rest in peace Mr President ✝️❤️💯 🇿🇦🌈
Firstly, the land belongs to all who live in South Africa, not to africans, because if we have to start there, then let's go right back to HISTORY, this land SOUTH AFRICA BELONGS TO THE KHOI SANS, the coloureds, this is our land and no one elses to claim, so rather work for what you want, let go of the past and move forward, if not, then you should go back to the true HISTORY!!!
Classic devide and conquer strategy.
You are lost Anneline, I feel sorry for you. I blame the ANC for failing to address the Apartheid regime for calling other race Coloureds. You can go anywhere in the word you will never find a coloureds nation. The khoisans are black like other black Africans . Who wrote our history, the same coloniser you are defending.
@@masemolamagane6469 Firstly, it's not Anneline, my name is Sheldon, secondly, no there you have it all wrong, I am a coloured and very proud of it, I don't care what other countries name or label their people, but in my eyes, I am happy.
Nevertheless, my point is, this land, South Africa originally belongs to my ancestors the Khoi, San, and the Bantu nation, so for those who doesn't have these nations in their bloodline cannot claim anything, however, because we have grown to become such a diverse nation and country, this means that all of us, coloured, black, white, a d Indian has a right to the land because we all were born here, grew up here and have contributed to this land, so in conclusion, no one race can claim anything owed unto them.
Propaganda of land belonging to Khoi and Sans. Yes they are also land owners Bantu people also they are land owners. There is no genocide recorded that wiped out Khoi and Sans, then why Bantu are the majority just like Chinese in China, Indians in India and Caucasian in Europe. Hello, common sense, are you there? So stop this Khoi and Sans being the only indigenous people Bantu as well. Whites people are not in the position to know that because the settle here in 1652, however there were other Whites who have been in Azania for business , but not to settle and to steal the land. The land is ours by all means.
Guys please forgive
That man cannot be leader he is so bitter. Forgiveness is the key here and start a new
After forgiving what's next?
so you don't believe in justice?
Hmmm…… it seems the legacy and dreams of President Mandela for a rainbow nation is going up in smoke !
It is amazing to accuse even those who are dead. Only God is the judge. May the soul of the old man rest in peace.
It will never go up in flames. It takes time for healing
Thankfully, Jatine . . . these fighting here are NOT representative of most of the country. They are representative of people who cannot argue/discuss with each other with respect.
Temper temper
Antil we share
Let his soul rest in peace. Hoping in my loving God's hands he pays for what he left the majority of Black people in.
The land is ours(Africans).
The issue I take when people like Mr no hands there just makes general sweeping statements saying "white South Africans" must take culpability is that who are these "white South Africans"? Someone like me who was a young child when Apartheid ended and played no part in it whatsoever? I grew up poor. Raised by a single mother. I own no land whatsoever. So what exactly is my "culpability" Mr. No hands? What the hell does it have to do with me? And what do I owe anyone? Simply because of the colour of my skin? Get bent and voetsak!!!
we should all be equal and racism should not have a place in our communities
@@bwalya1982 agreed.
Operation dudula is fighting for the land, just give them time
Stop talking rubbish study south african history
He is going to hell. Amen
Dave go home pls they are waiting for you
What they will do when they get land because put sharks…?
My God!
I can't believe this guy's argument regarding the Phoenix incident 😳
Should those indians than allowed them just to plunder as they please? 🤔
His remains belong in Europe
Why? Did he have a European passport?
@@Sabundy he doesn't need one, just depot
Mandela and de klerk are not heros at all. For one the ditch man de klerk was forced into submission he did not want to let go . The country they claimed was now surrounded by liberated countries Zimbabwe, Mozambique (the dutch regime killed Samora to slow the process ) Namibia and of course MPLA with its strong army were now in power in Angola....de klerk had no choice but to give in . It was not his choice .
May his soul never rest, Voetsek nja
Bra ,first losing a family member ,that loss u feel is the same for everybody don't matter wot colour u are it's called commonality we need to let go of hate & resentment I myself is a person of color, apartheid is still being sold to our people to keep us separated while our corrupt leaders consolidate power,everybody is pointing at apartheid !be informed bro ?? keep in mind Apartheid was installed ,Question is by who remember Mugabe didn't impose the sanctions on Zimbabwe ... unconditional Compassion is the only way forward ..be well brother
@@patrick7621 lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that a**hole destroyed so many lives and the effects are still being felt, fak him
@@rsamega2888 True those actions that was taken by apartheid regimes decimated alot of people alot of families in every corner of this majestic country totally with u on that 100% jst keep in mind our past cn never be changed it ,it is wot it is bt we cn Change the living conditions for future South Africans 20/30 even 40 years from now and not let them reflect on Apartheid like us bt be aww of our selflessness & dedication to appreciate en love one another coz I think that's our true power
Let de klerk rot in hell
If I were Dave I would have laughed out loud at this poor ignorant man who thinks it is a political rally!!!
That is why progress will never be made on this issue because you would choose to dismiss and laugh in the face of those who factually have been victimized for centuries.
Stop cursing Mr de klerk. Late President Mandela knows and knew much better. There was no better moment in the country when these two men came together as one. Let's accept the good from them.