Is Payday 3 Worth It? (Full Review)
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- Is Payday 3 any good? Is it worth it? Is it worth the money? Here are my thoughts and impressions on the full release of Payday 3, as well as my recommendations.
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0:00 ➪ Intro
3:04 ➪ Gameplay
7:46 ➪ Weapons
12:22 ➪ Skills
15:33 ➪ Stealth
19:38 ➪ Heists
22:50 ➪ Enemies/Specials
25:20 ➪ Civilians/Friendly AI
27:10 ➪ Leveling/Progression
32:30 ➪ Music
34:06 ➪ Graphics/Performance
35:02 ➪ Menus/Lobby System/Quality of Life (QoL)
40:15 ➪ Addressing Your Concerns
43:29 ➪ Conclusion
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Thank you for your patience guys. For this video I really wanted to do it right and play the game a lot, unlock a lot of the weapons, and play around with builds before I gave my thoughts on the matter. I know this is a video that's going to have strong opinions from people, so please go easy on me.
So what's next for this channel? Builds? More solo stealth? Challenges? All of them? Yeah, expect all of them.
I also realized I didn't groom myself before this video. Then again I haven't done a good job of taking care of myself ever since this game came out . . .
Hey Gen, on Console, you can destroy weapons by holding the melee button. I'm not sure if its available on pc or what the button would be but you definitely can get rid of weapons you have copies of or accidentally bought.
wtf lol
Yes. It's also button to destroy on PC.
I see, my mistake. Equipped guns can't be destroyed and I always selected the weapon and equipped it, so I thought there was no way to get rid of it
I found the video extremely fair and balanced while also being critical of the problems (unlike some other videos I've seen where people seem to think there's nothing wrong with the game). Thanks for sharing!
"Wait in circle objective" is the new drill
the thing is, we've seen pd2 heists that didn't rely on that (for a recent one, mountain master is a great example of a fun heist), but somehow they didn't learn
@@GeneralMcBadass for real
@@GeneralMcBadass "but somehow they didn't learn" This is really the theme of Payday3, they appear to have learned nothing and forgotten everything :/
I would honestly rather have the drills back, atleast they make sense
@@GeneralMcBadassmountain master isn’t a great example tbh considering how stupidly long the boss fight is.
I wish the heisters would talk to each other like they did in PD:TH. They’re super quiet outside of I did the objective, I killed the Special, Im dying, and the bank speech that can just randomly cut off.
oh I totally forgot to mention that in the video. yeah somehow the characters in this game are even less chatty than in 2, they feel so dead. and someone's gonna come in here and reply to me again that "characters are just gloves and accents, why do they need character"
@@GeneralMcBadassNah, only issue with the characters being "too chatty" is that some of them are the most cringe and annoying little shits ever.
@@GeneralMcBadass🤣🤣🤣🤣
payday 3 barely has a story, it’s so lackluster
It's almost impossible to build a dialog system like it was in PD:TH because PD3 already has 6 heisters and you never know which of them are gonna be used by players. The amount of recording sessions for actors tends to infinity because they have to do all acting for every heist and every moment with all 6 heisters (for now). And they are gonna release more heisters. This is the only reason why we don't have these interactions between characters. And this is one of the reasons why I think that 4 original heisters was always enough, I don't care about other 20 heisters in PD2 and don't care if they release more in PD3, fuck all these Jiros, Jackets, Clovers etc. I have the best heisters in the world with recognisable masks and names, with amazing personalities and stories.
Something minor that just really bothers me is not seeing the value of loot bags as you score them, or cash pick ups as you grab them. It was satisfying seeing just how much grabbing a loot bag was worth, or seeing just how much one more safe deposit box was worth. For a more practical gameplay point, the first time I played No Rest for the Wicked, about a third of the dye packs went off in the cash stacks. I could still steal them, but I had no idea if they were worth stealing, because I didn't know if, or how much less they were worth than the regular cash loot bags.
this 💯
Exact same, I was doing maskless and to add a further layer to it, I'm not sure if a leaky bag would get you caught as well, so you have something with unknown risk and unknown reward when you're right at the end of a heist that's remarkably tedious/finicky to do on Overkill and could take 10-30 minutes (especially if you just brute force the numberpad)
One thing that really disappoints me about looting is that your character doesn't even move their hand anymore. Small elements like that and the screen tilt when carrying a bag are what made PD2 so unique and inspired. As someone who already loves small details in video games, that's what fueled my "love at first sight" moment when I tried Payday 2.
On screen values are important too but the animation is what made the looting feel so much more satisfying than any UI element ever could in my opinion. I love gathering all the loot in one spot, seeing a pile of cash slowly disappear as my character's hands frantically snatch at things like a real robber would. That's the good shit.
That's the "makes you feel like you're Batman" for Payday.
THIS! I really hope someone makes a mod or something for this or even better it’s officially added to the game again
In reddit they checked that grabbing 3 bags on no rest for the wicked or grabbing everything makes no difference, you get the same cash as reward, that's why they don't have the value shown when you secure it.
Regarding the progression system, it felt really nice to spend 45 minutes on the cooling truck heist, really taking my time and grabbing every sibgle bag, only to be rewarded with a whole 50xp points at the end of it because I only completed one challenge.
Yeah it sucked, so amazing.
99 boxes is also bugged and the bags there are worthless lmao.
@@milgos526999 boxes is only good for the weapon xp exploit 😂
99boxes has an expoit where when all 4 players are in the exit area if anyone steps out and then back in each time once the characters start saying the heist complete quotes, the game thinks the heist was completed so you can level up weapons and get general XP really quickly that way. Afaik it has not been patched yet.
@@dredfurst7624 you only get weapon and skill xp that way, not general or "infamy" xp.
Damn, Gen absolutely went off on the progression/XP system. But I agree with him 100%. It really was a downright terrible decision by the devs.
I came here to say the exact same thing!!
The whole system is garbage and I don't understand how they thought it was a good idea
Maybe they will change it. They are very transparent in their live sessions.
@@codymartinez2790 Money is clearly their only motivation. I can almost guarantee they'll sell booster packs of some kind.
@@codymartinez2790 when payday 2 released people were complaining about the progression and how there should be challenges to lvl up. 10 Years later they listened LOL
These days the beta is basically a demo to generate hype. very rarely it happens where the beta is for actual testing.
as for the server issue blowback - it's 100% justified. We had Payday 2 offline mode for 10 years and then they drop "always online" on us? Naah, they shot themselves in the foot with that. Have matchmaking, offline solo play. If the reason for always online was to stop piracy then I've got bad news: I've already seen Payday 3 cracked with multiplayer working, so that didn't do jack shit
there are some people saying they wish payday 3 wasn't review bombed because of the server issue. problem is, those reviews are justified
@@GeneralMcBadass server issues are issues. If it stops you from using the product you paid full price for, you got a right to complain.
Good video as always Gen. Been watching for years ❤️
Yeah people trying to argue the review bombing is Hella stupid. Every single bad review is in complete honesty as it was a poop show.
@@GeneralMcBadassReview bombed? That was genuine feedback :D I saw so many people going to Almir's stream and being all "oh we're missing quality of life improvements from pd2" ,like, motherfucker you could not play for 2 weeks. For overkill, the bar for game quality in order to release it was rolling on the floor and it shows. Great review Gen.
are you sure they are running on actual servers tho? theres a github project that emulates the server. i could see that running a cracked version in theory.
Vaulting being finnicky is a real demerit because one of the game's heists depends on vaulting. Vaulting is so critical for 99 Boxes and the system deciding to screw up can blow a heist if it doesn't work at the right time.
I broke my legs a few times on that heist
I always need at least two jumps for the vaulting animation to work lol
Oh man its the worst. Something funny happened to me today though, i've been complaining about the vaulting for ages and I was doing the Surphaze heist -
After countless failed first attempts of vaulting since the game released the game had enough of me complaining about it... I was sending all the paintings down the zip line and decided to jump to attach onto it. The ONE TIME vaulting succeeded without multiple tries was when I didnt ask for it and I jumped the hand rail I wasn't even looking at and fell infront of a hundred npc's which ended a 30 min stealth heist I was seconds away from finishing 😂 I was PISSED.
the ammount of times I fell down in shake the crade trying to get on top of the vent when going back to cut the switch boxes....
It really hurts Under the Surphaze as well seeing as how the map has multiple alternative routes to the second floor from the outside that all rely on vaulting. I had multiple instances of me just jumping next to a ledge rather than vaulting on that map
I am really hating the bloom effect, there's a reason why it was hated in Reach and Infinite but I guess the Developers didn't do enough research about it. It makes the recoil feel unnatural, and I just wished they had it like in PD2, the accuracy effects where the bullets go
There's an overall spread weapon stat that seems like its the same as accuracy, but it's kinda rare. Also, we have no idea if it does much because were back to elementary school level stat bars and +/-'s instead of numbers in a M rated game.
it's like fucking call of duty modern warfare 2 all over again with the stats. stop hiding everything for no good reason
Wait, I get reach but what are you talking about withinfinite? The sidekick?
sidekick, dmr, ar (if you want to count that), sniper, bulldog(?), commando, etc@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216
I wont lie ive been giving starbreeze leeway for years now, as a consol epayday 2 player the game i payed for then barely functioned and was mainly comprised of payed dlc. Starbreeze goes on and on about how we were mistreated on console trying to act all high and mighty for how we were about to get proper treatment. We wait almost a decade for payday 3 and it feels like a slap in the face, i play on ps5 and on launch there was only a tutorial, cutscenes had no audio, servers were completely broken and there is no offline mode! What an absolute disappointment. Its a shame to because the game is actually really fun and well made but that means nothing when there is such a lack of quality control around everything that surrounds the game. It just feels like nothings changed
Told myself never to buy anything they release on consoles ever again after payday 2.
@@BigPaPaRuyeah that's unfortunately a very smart decision
Starbreeze still has my goodwill more than Bungie, but it's pretty thin right now. I only did PAYDAY2 on the 360 before picking it back up for PS4 before going PC, but i still empathize with console players
I mean to be fair, it was only the PS5 console version of the game that had issues at launch, I don’t believe Xbox had any of the same issues. The problems with the servers and not being able to play are a game wide problem, not console problems. I would say the actual console port of Payday 3 is no worse then the PC version, especially compared to the state of Payday 2’s port
@@BigBewm yeah but still it shouldn't have launched like that on any platform, and the fact that it was a console that got the worst launch again after 10 years is just ridiculous. I feel bad for the people who worked hard on this game just for starbreeze to utterly ruin it in almost every aspect like usual because it's apparent that a lot of effort and talent was put into it
The video game industry is the only industry that constantly does negative things and gets away with it. Imagine how long your favourite music artist would last if they kept releasing unfinished songs and albums.
If there is a large group of people that buys those albums then the company/ artist won’t have a reason to change.
@sirisaac6225 If people accepted it. Can't see that myself. Live performances would make you realize how stupid you've been to buy the music in the first place.
*and released a deluxe album that had the fixed songs
Garbage always has a market. Just look at the top radio hits lol (area doesn't matter, they're all the same)
@@enchantedcandlewick2000 lol fair point.
Another issue with the heists, and particularly their replayability, is how static they are. On your first playthrough, these heists look awesome and dynamic. Once you play them a few times though, you learn the tricks of the game, and stealth basically becomes a test of how much you can push the mechanics of the game or how patient you're willing to be.
I can see this in your gameplay too, especially on Rock The Cradle - you go around the right side, make noise leaving the secure area, the guards leave the door and you sneak in. There's nothing preventing you from doing that over and over again the next heist.
That's also without mentioning how easy it is to cheese a heist. Just get whatever code you need, restart, it sticks with you, alongside the particular locations of keycards, rooms, etc.
There is no dynamicness to the heists. There's no RNG. Once you know the best way, it's a cakewalk.
You can literally say that for payday and payday 2?
Its a little different here. Lets not dimish the fact that payday 2 objectively had a not insignificant amount of variables each heist that would change every time.
@@everythingponynope. a lot of heists in payday 2 had RNG variables on items, entrances, loot, etc. they made it so it would be better to avoid doing the exact same route twice and adapt to the environment instead.
ROF Ramp-up on ARs seems to be a way to have both semi auto and full auto in one setting, since there's no button to swap fire modes.
It's pretty weird IMO.
the ramp up was tied to locking my fps for me, didnt matter if it was locked to 60 or 240, just locking made the weapons ramp up but only assult rifles for some reason
Yeah, if it's an actual feature it's a dreadful one. Just have a fire selector imo. It would make the AR's a lot more efficient.
That's like mouse acceleration. How are you supposed to reliably squeeze off 5 rounds, if you're the type to release the trigger in favor of 2- to 3-round bursts? Better yet, how do you not accidentally fire 4 rounds, or accidentally fire just 1 round?
There'd be a muscle-memory difference between 2 & 3, versus 3 & 2.
@@lxHowlxl the worst part is that we had fire selector in payday 2
The thing i kinda dont like about this game is how it doesnt really feel like a heisting game.
In other games you have everyone in a specific role who needs to do a specific thing to contribute to the heist. Payday 2 has this because certain skills make you better at certain things (drill skills, saw skills, inspire builds, etc.). This is what makes a game feel like a heist, because every team member has their own role to play and it tends to be a big role.
In payday 3 though, the roles are kinda dumbed down to "whos bringing ammo, whos bringing armor, whos bringing medbags" because everyone is good at every task, you dont have a designated drill guy because you dont need one. You dont have a designated healer because you dont need one. You dont have to bring someone with big firepower because everyone has the same firepower. I can keep going on.
Well, Payday 2 certainly allowed for more diversification, but you didn't NEED it. I've played plenty of Death Wish/Sentence games where everyone just ran Inspire, brought med bags, maybe had jokers if they wanted, and then we just balls-to-the-wall finished it out. I don't think you can ever mandate those sort of roles in a heisting game without REQUIRING it to be a team game like Overwatch, and frankly I'm glad that it isn't because it allows me to just play what I want to play like, be that solo OR with other heisters.
THIS, 1 BILLION PERCENT. i wish people would simply talk about this more in general, even the PDTH people dont speak about how specialized payday 2 skill trees are, on release and now. the grind you were presented on released pd2 was worth the sheer power the skill tree granted, and offered players niches that they can specialize in, the ECM guy being an enormous example of how game changing an item can be. even current payday 2 landscape, having a medicore build neuters you greatly, but the power it grants once you learn everything about it is just as good. Perk decks offering a whole other layer in player expression and specialization. and barring death sentence [fuck you DSOD purists] every deck has a place for someone and other than anarchist [which has been on the down turn lately in my anecdotal evidence] its pretty rare to see everyone running the literal same everything. payday 3, just feels like they gutted and ripped everything out for modern shooter sake with skills that dont feel impactful enough for the grind required, removed perk decks entirely, and removed all of the unique defense and offensive layers, like dodge and critical hit, and for what? absolutely nothing. its abysmal.
I'm gonna have to say... I kinda miss the methodical heist gameplay of the first one. Payday 3 just feels like a normal generic shooter. Is it fun? I guess when it works, yeah. But I can't really pin point anything in this game that would stand out in any way. The first game had such a cool HEAT feel to it, it was magical. The immersion was through the roof.
QoL was addressed by the devs on stream and they had the audacity to say that PD2 didn't get QoL features until years into the game implying that we shouldn't expect those QoL features to be in PD3 at launch.
Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.
I too wish they had learned from their last game but its looking more and more like PD3 was created to monetize the PD fanbase more efficiently rather than make a good game.
LOL, wait so the people telling me to compare payday 3 to payday 2 base came from the horses mouth?!
@@GeneralMcBadass Indeed. I couldn't believe what I had just heard. My mouth hit the floor and I couldn't help but laugh.
The game is going to be good in some time, but the problem is that overkill went "lets build a base and roll with live service". It really feels like pd 2.5 in terms of graphics, but pd 1.5 (or 0.5 because no offline mode and no replayability like you said) for mechanics and visibility. What a world with half baked games.
except for any content outside of right now, youre gonna have to keep spending money
People keep pre-ordering and defending this shit, so companies have no reason to change
"Release first, finish later." mentality is god damn horrible.
It's why you get server issues on launch day.
Gamebreaking bugs despite "public beta".
God-awful balancing.
Unfair feeling pricing with monetisation that feels like crap.
At this point, if there's a new game releasing, the best thing you can do as a consumer is to NOT preorder it nor buy it day 1. Wait for reviews, see if the game is actually fully and well done for that full price tag. You won't be the first, it never mattered, if the game is trying to use FOMO tactics to get you in, it wasn't worth your time anyway.
A very well thought out review that touches just about every aspect of this game. Thank you for your input and criticism of what the game does right and what it should do better.
no thank you
It's not that people hate this game. We just want it to be better.
@@KumiChan2004 I hate the fact that Fatshark aren't doing better with PD3.
After 69 hours (nice) I got to level 73 without farming challenges at all. Played a mix of Stealth and Loud, but mostly Stealth. The only challenge type I "farmed" in any way is doing a heist with a fully modded weapon x, did them in Stealth while leveling my weapons, which is faster in Stealth because of the Weapon XP Stealth bonus.
But I see how frustrating the system is, especially if you only focus Stealth. Needs more Stealth specific Challenges.
I think the challenge system would be miles better if there were a list of common challenges you can repeat multiple times, something like "get all loot", "finish heist in stealth without killing cam guy", etc. Something, which makes the heist a bit harder, but can be easily integrated each attempt. Then Starbreeze can persist on a Challenge only progression.
yes, a great idea! the repeating challenges that give you exp every time you do it, like getting all loot, that's a great idea. god what were they thinking
@@GeneralMcBadass I think the idea of the Challenge system forcing you to try everything the game has to offer is not a bad idea on paper. The final execution however resulted in grindy challenges, which to be fair can be accomplish just by playing the game, but especially the "final challenges" just take too much time.
it's sad that the goal of this system probably was to make the progression less grindy (not playing rats over and over again in payday 2) but it's so poorly implemented that it does the exact opposite of that goal, it could also have been a decent system if skill point weren't tied to it, or if we had simply more easy challenges, instead of the vast majority of them being the grindy ones that take 100s of hours to complete
Leveling just feels like a tedious checklist now.
How about playing the way I want and not being punished for it or losing the games for others because I had to do x thing.
Thank you for your honest opinion. Overkill should be ashamed for ignoring you. Truly you are the pillar of payday community
Maybe a pillar
@@BruteForceItidk who else would give their honest opinion like Gen does
@@FMJ1400 Then you're blind. There are a few out there. That's NOT trying to diminish GenMcBadass, by the way - just wanting to get the perspective straight.
@@FMJ1400 I’m just saying he’s not the one and only pillar
every payday content creator I have watched have been giving pros and cons on the game, unless you were watching almir's stream then you should have seen rather honest opinions
When they eventually add a stealth/loud search in the lobbies I hope they add a mixed option as well, it’s fun to play on high difficulties with randoms and flow between the two play styles in the event that you mess up.
That is one thing the game needs to be commended for. You can essentially mix your playstyle and adapt on the fly.
@@DylanReid-vw2qvabsolutely probably one of the best things about the game
I completely agree with everything you said about the levelling system, The challenges should of been a bonus that contributes to your overall exp you get from a heist, Not the entire way you level up, They probably did this to completely avoid the problem of players farming a certain heist over and over again like what was happening in PD'2 early days but still it's a horrible level system, I tried explaining how bad the levelling system is in PD3 to one of my friends the other day and he seemed like there was nothing wrong with it and completely disagreed with my criticism's of it which honestly kind of urked me because he's probably a huge fan of the series, Hell im a huge fan of the series but i can even see all the stupid shit they decided to go with and im still going to criticise it because i want it to be better, Not worse, So him seeming to be in defence of a lot of other horrible decisions they put into the game not only the levelling system really blew my mind
Shocking: people have different opinions of things.
@staryoshi06 My point was that it's weird that my friend and anyone else that's in defence of all the clear flaws the game has especially the levelling system, Acting like the game is perfect and not criticising anything about it when it clearly needs improvements and not letting the devs know isn't going to help the game become better would you you not agree?
@@SamuraiOniReaver if anything i think people are jumping on a random ass hate train fully disregarding the fact the game has just released, and your friend is proof enough that some people like some of the changes, it really feels like some of you just want a copy of pd2
AI teammates that don't revive you sometimes - check.
Super special mega Overkill guns that spawn 50 thousand acres away, one of which kills you in smaller maps and there's ONLY TWO OF THEM, so your choice is Suicide Gun or mediocre sniper rifle - CHECK.
Annoying progression system - check.
Skill system 0.1 - check.
SLAM THIS SHIT BACK INTO THE OVEN, IT's FUCKING RAWWWWW
In game’s recently I’ve noticed the arm/gun going side to side while sprinting is way too fast for the actual speed of “sprinting”. It’s more of a light jog
why have you done this to us
So far the game has been really fun to play. (When my AI teammates aren't getting stuck inside cargo containers)
The gunfights feel more intense which I much prefer, you're nowhere near invincible like how you can be in payday 2, and the assault wave changes are really nice too with negotiations and how they actually ramp up in difficulty and introduce new enemies as time goes on.
Obviously online only is a really big problem, we've already seen what a bad server outage can do to the player base. Imagine buying a $40 game ($90 if you bought gold edition) only to be completely unable to play it even offline due to something completely out of your control. Not fun is it?
The XP system is god awful though, they say they don't want people to farm heists but they also put challenges in the game that literally read "Beat this heist 60 times." That coupled with how little XP you get from actually doing the challenges and heists is annoying to say the least.
It needs some changes, but if they play their cards right I think they can pull this out of the deep end of which it has fallen.
I really tried opening all containers around Wolf to see if I could get him out of there, pretty sure hes still in there.
I just wish we weren't living through so many of the same mistakes they already made. So many quality of life things aren't here and things like Challenge based progression already failed in Halo infinite. I assume its because of corporate pressure considering they are usually too stubborn and too stupid to let the developers do their damn job
Challenges would be less of an issue if they were the only(?) way to go from level 100 to 150. At level 100, you have the max amount of skill points. Anything above is just cosmetic rewards. So it would feel more acceptable imo if having to grind challenges was only to get "bragging rights". Also throw some outfits/gloves/masks in the mix. Doing it just for colours and patterns is kinda useless since 1) most players don't really pay attention to other people's weapons and 2) if it's for your eyes only then you could totally download mods that give your weapons even better skins.
yeah if these challenges are for only getting cosmetics, then it's fine. but it's integral for unlocking weapons and skill points. weapons are the majority of the variety in gameplay . . .
would love it if they give xp after every heist but you can get bonus xp with the challenges
I feel like vaulting is less clunky and inconsistent if you do it a bit in front of the obstacle you're trying to vault over. Also the slide + shotgun combo is pretty fun IMO.
slide and shotgun is the only viable way for slide combat to work unfortunately
Look down to vault
About the shotgun slide, really? When I tried it I can't shoot my gun until like the end of my slide, and by then I'll probably have slide past them or straight into their face where I can't properly land a shot or minimize damage taken. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Hey everyone, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Was super excited to see the game launch after many hours of playing PD2. When the beta came around, I couldn't help but feel disappointed when playing it. I decided to hold off buying the game and that seems to be a good call. Games nowadays feel incomplete at launch and it hasn't just been Payday. Really wish the game turned around and become as successful as it used to be.
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Payday 2 was a great time in my life back when it felt like the devs were in touch with their audience, so many memories playing with friends after school. I’m so sad to see how we managed to get here, hope Overkill turns it around
They never were. When the first dlc came out and they added death wish( strong dozers) etc. They messed the game up so hard that DW was unplayable due to a spawn bug were 3-4 dozers would spawn at once. Remind you this was way before snipers or throwables. No gun had enough damage to deal with this bug. Made it unplayable for about a month before they even fixed it.
@@Unknown_Genius and that the gruber kurz wasn't in at launch
@@Unknown_Genius no worries
@@theblackbaron4119 And that dozer bug only got fixed LAST MONTH.
I loved to use LMG's in PD1 and PD2, and I was sadden to not see them return in PD3. Almir did hint that it would potentially be a overkill weapon (assuming the minigun) but that just irritates me that they stated it will most likely be an overkill mechanic rather then a fully implemented primary. Another thing about the guns is that I finally finished the gun grind but then realized the last options are locked behind the c-stack currency. Lastly shotguns are also disappointing for damage wise, and I understand there are perks to assist with that but what if my build isn't going towards that direction and I still want to use a shotgun.
They knew there wasn't much at launch so they decide to slam us with long ass grinds which is painful.
Yup.
It's grind so players realise too late that there's nothing of substance to the game and can't refund it anymore.
No one of my old payday 2 squad wants to play PD3 anymore. I was akimbo (not in the game), my friend was the driller (not in the game), other one had the dedicated sniper (snipe build not in the game and the anti-bulldozer is dropped for everyone) and the fourth one just was there because of us and can't even level up while playing, he has to do challenges. Sad day until this is fixed.
No way they took away the bulldozer skull face shield. They didn’t even try to revamp it😢
maybe itll come back if they bring back Deathwish or OVK145
its possible their saving the skulldozer for a higher difficulty, possibly with a mini gun instead and part of a new department or taskforce brought out exclusively to combat the Payday Gang knowing their notoriety and skill, regular cops and swat wont cut it.
@@TheFallinhalothe minigun dozer would be absolutely terrifying with the raised difficulty
@@TheFallinhalo well I hope they don’t wait a year like it took pd2 to come out with deathwish
I legitimately think the Advanced Movement mod for PD2 implements sliding better than PD3, it felt so much more satisfying and integrated into the movement.
Payday 2 also felt way faster by default then Payday 3.
In 3 it feels like it got tacked on because other FPS games do it so they have to do it too.
@@simplysmiley4670 I'm of the irrational opinion that every FPS game should have sliding, but in PD3, it feels a bit redundant, just something you do if you wanna look cool. I never find myself having a reason to use it
And that's why they have always online because of all you cheaters modding online
@@everythingpony You know mods like that don't work unless the host and client have them installed, right? Cheating online is one thing, and modding solo or with friends is an entirely different thing. I don't even play online, I haven't entered a public lobby in my entire time playing PD2 or now PD3.
Thanks Gen. Appreciated your content back when I played PD2. Glad to see you still going strong. Hope they take this information you've gathered and presented to heart.
The Bloom I’ve also noticed, I can typically control recoil in most games, sadly there’s also auto aim but the auto aim does to the chest even if you’re aiming for the head like BRUH, I’m more lethal, let me be in control
I'd rather there be more recoil and just take out bloom
hi@@GeneralMcBadass
@@GeneralMcBadass yeah definitely, I was kind of expecting the gun play to be a bit more realistic, payday 2 was just full Arcady when you could combo tons of attachments and perks to make a no recoil gun but the gunplay in payday 3 feels unrealistic in a different way especially with the grit, edge, and speed boost
Oh boy do I love these hidden, I mean surprise mechanics like this bloom thing I just learned about as well as Armor Penetration
yeah, learning about armor penetration and how it makes a huge difference explains why some guns feel like shit, while others are amazing
@@GeneralMcBadass how do you even find that out like what’s better because I can’t see anything on weapons mod unless I’m missing it or if it’s from feeling and the ttk?
Great in-depth review man, thanks!
Genuine review, cheers General. I had a feeling it would go this way. Ima keep a hold of my money.
Thanks for your analysis on PD3. I too have over 4k hours in PD2 and I have not bothered to purchase PD3 since the beta was completely unplayable for me and you confirmed it's a complete S-Show and to hold off. Will look to you as usual for how things progress or decline with this one.
tbh, every issue for me can be put aside and looked passed except for the lack of content. There being only 8 heists is pretty frusterating, it doesnt help that a lot of the stealth objectives dont feel as seperated from the loud ones as they do in payday 2. In payday 2 the stealth and loud versions felt almost like 2 different heists and it doesnt feel that way in 3. Also they shrunk the amount of difficulty options which reduces replayability even more, we went from having 8 difficulties to 4. I also dont appreciate how theyre leaning into dlc even more, payday 2 was bad enough but i can tell its gonna get way worse, it looks like your gonna need to own the dlc to play the heists entirely now since the elimination of contracts. You used to only need the dlc in order to purchase the heists contact but could play it regardless as long as someone else started the game. Now that you just pick a heist from a list and it starts matchmaking i almost guarentee youll need the dlc if you want to play it at all.
i think you should get a base xp for each heist a difficulty multiplier and a stealth bonus like in payday 2 and also make the stealth bonus when you complete a heist before an assault not before the alarm has tripped
I think I started watching your PD2 vids in first my first few years in college and now this PD3 review is out I am finishing my last year in Uni, great vids General
This game seems to really favor stealth, which is fine by me. One thing I liked that was brought back from a Payday 2 classic, Framing Frames, is the idea that getting most of the way through a heist in stealth would result in additional loot. Rock the Cradle is not only just a fun heist but really rewarding if you can stay in stealth long enough to get the crypto wallet and I hope this means other heists in the future will do the same.
99 Boxes is significantly faster using the QR codes to open the boxes (only doable in stealth) rather than approaching one, having Shade call in the chopper to drop thermite, waiting for thermite, grabbing the thermite from the front area, bringing it back, dropping it, interacting to start it, waiting again, and then taking it off
seems many missions have this similar thing to them where stealth can make things faster, but I hear ya where it's nice when the reward is money instead of just time
This is why you are the best. So many "fake" Payday RUclipsrs out there now adays that overhype how good this game is (I won't name any names but we all know who I'm probably talking about). I been playing and following the PD franchise since the start almost with the original. This game has great mechanics and core gameplay, I will give it that. But the heists feel like chores and are complete garbage kind of like you put it. Every single heist my friend and I play we always dread and crack jokes about how bad of an idea the whole "get a better wifi signal" objective is. When PD2 came out, you had so much variety and the replay-ability felt ENDLESS especially after PD:TH. You had great unique lore, where each heist had it's own personality for each contractor. Hectors story line was Firestarter, Watchdogs, Rats and they ended up being all setups. Elephant obviously had Big Oil and Framing Frame so he can get in office. You get the point I'm trying to make here it was all just very "cool."
I'll keep my rant about skills short, but yeah, in my opinion you put that **lightly**. That is more of a slap in the face than the heists in my opinion. No variety, no uniqueness, and once again that contributes to shitty replay-ability.
My brother in christ the GAME JUST CAME OUT.
@@ChaoticMess5618My brother in Christ don’t be a Ferbison alt (also bad excuse, devs and publishers always say “it’s day one” in response to their lazy launches)
@@DogeickBateman 1, i have no idea who ferb is.
2, its a valid excuse, Payday 2 was literally on an entirely different engine lol
@@ChaoticMess5618 Keep putting your nose up Almirs ass. Are you getting paid or something to kiss their ass and lick their boots? GAMES SHOULD NOT FUCKING BE RELEASED INCOMPLETE. How in the right mind are you fucking defending this hunk of garbage?????? There is a reason PD2 has DOUBLE the concurrent players as PD3. DOUBLE when I last checked.
People that kiss developers asses like yourself will just stop the game from improving.
Thank you! I can't stand the game community sometimes. People like him just slow down progress, because if everyone complained about the obvious the developers might get worried and actually push out much needed changes.@@DogeickBateman
I noticed the "weapons ramp up in speed" thing too. I've been thinking of it as a way of "allowing" semi-auto fire. You see, its not 'actually' a ramp up in fire speed, I'm fairly certain its just a "block" put on between the first shot and the second shot. A problem players "sometimes" have with full auto guns in other games is that if you just want to shoot 1 bullet on a fast firing weapon, you have to click (and release) extremely quickly, and if you mess up the release in even the slightest of ways, the gun will fire a second or possibly even third bullet. So, adding a (major) delay between the first and second bullet fired "sounds" like a solid plan...until you try it and it just feels clunky as hell. This game does actually feel really good to play semi-automatically, its just that it makes some weapons feel very BAD to play fully automatically.
I think there are two obvious ways to fix this. Either, re-add the "triggers" attachment from PD2....or do like a bunch of other FPS games do and add a button for swapping between firing types (full auto, semi auto, and maybe let some weapons have burst). And obviously with both of these options, just remove the "block" the current game has between the first and second shot.
Also, I think you are having such a rough time with the hipfire aim bloom because you have the crosshair bloom off somehow. Normally, the size of the crosshair changes as you fire, showing when it resets, and obviously how large of an area it becomes. This isn't saying the accuracy system isn't annoying, but just that you are potentially making it even more annoying for yourself.
no I'm aware of how the bloom is, I just exasperated the clip in the video so you can see how it affects accuracy lol. interesting take for the first part though
@@GeneralMcBadass I could've sworn they had the trigger attachment AND fire modes in PD2, so the mechanic just feels like a way to weigh down the pacing even more imo.
@@faux4780the is an option to swap firing modes with some guns, the mods just lock your gun into the given fire mode with a minor "buff" to compensate
been long time viewer of this channel lets see how fair this review is:
this review honestly summed up everything perfectly i don't plan on playing it again till they fix a lot of these major issues biggest issue by far is new infamy system
I agree with a lot of this, this is a good breakdown for a ton of the issues with the game. I think majorly something I wanna see is any pre planning menu, mainly because at times (specifically for the dirty ice 120 seconds run) where you spawn and where other items spawn is completely random. It may take around 10 tries just to spawn on the left side by the gate, which is the optimal spot seemingly to do a speedrun. Then just loading in to get a reload takes about a minute or two each. (Also the circle thing is so annoying, especially during stealth it just slows everything down, it's like busted drills all over again) (Also not being able to customize the preset masks is sad) This is also coming from someone who bought the $90 edition, which I kind of wish I didn't buy now. Also, this game almost feels like it should have leaning with the guns, idk if that's just me.
Quick thing, 37:06 you can sort challenges by "in progress" through the bottom filter, which isn't great but it kind of works.
Then also for weapons, 38:38 you are able to discard them, so long as you don't have them equipped when they are highlighted. You just click them then hit discard. I'm not sure if it gives you any money back though.
Also, I wanna say, you've thought of so many things that are wrong with this game I'm impressed lol, this isn't meant to sound like a bad thing. I would type more to add on, but this is a RUclips comment section and I probably shouldn't type that much. -- I do hope the devs can see this video and get feedback from it, and take it... hopefully.
I straight up refuse to purchase Payday 3 until they at the very least implement an offline mode.
On loud, I really don't like the new armor mechanic. On PD2 you had the armor that was reloading itself and for the health you had to reload using your bags. By being careful you mitigated your need for bags as you didn't lose too much hp (it kinda when to shit after all the perk that could restore life, but the idea is there). On PD3 you have to mainly resupply your armor with bags, to be able to sustain in a game you need to constantly eat bags and when you don't have them anymore it's over. It feels like you have two redundant health bars.
I agree with this, but didn't feel strongly enough to say whether the change is a good or bad thing. It's just weird that we just have two health bars now
It's even worse when you consider the default medic bags only restore 20% of your health, they're completely pointless to bring and you should've just brought an armor bag instead. The perks that make medic bags heal more only apply when YOU use them meaning that other people who use them still get only 20% unless they also invested. Which is completely dumb because there's a perk for armor bags to restore 2 segments on use instead of 1.
This also completely neuters heavier armors since they don't actually make your segments more resilient you just get more of them which means as your resources dwindle they're just worse because you still have the movespeed penalty.
EDIT: Oh and since I forgot to mention it, medic bags don't restore downs by default either.
It's astonishing how Starbreeze found a way to add less features than the amount of features they removed going from Payday 2 to Payday 3
Remiss not to mention the bizarre decision to lock the RNG seed for a lobby even through restarts, making it optimal to restart some heists (cough cough No Rest for the Wicked cough cough) halfway and enter any relevant numerical code from the get-go!
Thank you for your service!
If you want more quality of life, you’ll get it! After you pay for DLC that’s coming up 👊😎
It’s gonna be overall city in a couple years
I’m already seeing a Skill overall, weapon mods overall down the pipe line, in this state it can’t be fun for another 10 years, they gotta change things around
Thank you for the well-organized review. It's not one-note praise or rant, nor does it repeat only what others have said earlier.
It might be long at ~45 minutes, but you've divided the review into defined sections (aligned to YT chapters) and your critique in each section doesn't ramble; you remark more than once that you'll X or Y in the appropriate section (and you do so, accordingly).
Again, thank you for your effort into making the video (including queuing and gameplay time). I'm glad I watched and listened to its entirety.
Please keep up this quality, and don't yield to pressure to releasing a review "fast" or an external brevity standard.
Best regards.
Pretty much summed up my impression from beta and what i played through family sharing. Great video
The reloading mechanic reminds me of a few tactical shooters I l've played. The only thing that PD3 doesn't do is choosing to keep the old mag (and ammo if its loaded) or dumping it altogether for a faster mag change but possibly running out of bullets faster.
For stealth, I would like to see them take notes from the Hitman series when it comes to the unmasked aspect of the game. A lot of what they got going is pretty close to how Hitman does it but yeah, civis should be a lot more aware of your actions.
it payday actually followed tactical shooters, every mag we dump we'd lose ammo
First game i played with staggered reloads as i believe they are called was Titanfall, and it seems other games Hyper has worked on also have it like one of the Modern Warfare reboots
i really appreciate this review man, you touched almost everything i wanted to hear about and i'll probably be staying away from this game for a while, until a sale and more content comes out, especially mods, great review.
there's already a lot of great mods. some for performance, a lot of quality of life, and of course memes lol
@@GeneralMcBadass one thing that tickles me silly is that a brand new game needs quality of life mods? 😢😢
Great video
One thing that you mentioned I'm a bit 50/50 on is enemy design. I personally think most of the specials look great and grounded the only one i would consider a poor design is the Grenader.
You can definitely hear him but finding him in a crowd is surprising hard, I would always shoot at the chest of the cops that use shotguns thinking im hitting him, waiting for the explosion.
The second issue is the Heavy swat, they blend in very well with the regular swat, i do wish there was some indication that they are more elite compared to the early cops
I agree with everything you said. Very clear and detailed review while keeping it as concise as possible.
Haven't played the game, but those stealth changes sound great as someone who only plays loud. I'm not good at stealth, nor do I really have the patience for it, but it is one of the core elements of the game ... but I always felt like my build is getting ruined if I try to add in stealth elements. The runs where stealth becomes loud is often my favourite, but mechanically it is the worst. The changes sound great!
My biggest takeaway from all of the PD3 reviews and drama surrounding it is that, instead of doing the one thing people wanted Overkill to do, which was take PD2, and expand upon it further with better systems and such, they just...made a completely new game.
I don't believe a studio is likely to even retain the same talent between games for so long, it's probably largely entirely different people.
I will give them credit for not just milking one game for two decades (Just one and some change), like Valve decided to do once they figured out where the real money is.
or take Payday: The Heist, expand it like Payday 2 originally tried, while learning from that initial Payday 2 release, but of course that didn't happen either
@@filthyshoggothwell yeah overkill is not the same overkill there's no one original at that company now
@@filthyshoggothPlus they did milk payday too. Do you not see how many deals sees and microtransactions they added?
@@Unknown_Geniusvalve is also privately owned meaning they don't bow to the whim of publishers demanding always online.
small correction: you CAN discard weapons you purchase accidentally, but i dont blame you for not knowing it. the option to discard a weapon isnt present if that weapon is equipped in ANY of your 7 loadouts. i started going nuts when i noticed that there was exactly one pistol in my inventory i was able to discard for seemingly no reason, until i deduced this by myself
Thanks for the review video Gen. Definitely learned my lesson about buying games too early at launch.
After 23 hours of playtime - I can agree with a vast majority of what you're mentioning. I believe this vid can be a packed feedback from the community for Overkill to work on, great job!
I also can't fathom the clearly half-baked state the game is in after months of closed beta. Like wtf, surely they had the feedback from testers?
I really appreciate you looking at both the good and bad and not just being full negative like a lot of people, there are certainly positives to be found in Payday 3. I'm more optimistic than a lot of people, but I agree that many aspects of the game could be iterated upon (especially QoL). I for one have faith in Starbreeze, they actually seem to give a shit about the community unlike most companies so I'm crossing my fingers it's just a matter of time. Also Payday 2 is a pretty massive precedent, that game was messy at launch too (maybe not as bad tho). Like you, I also want nothing but the best for the game, and right now we're a ways away from it. Hope you continue to have fun with it!
Well, yeah. This is a review. Reviews usually go over what they like and didn't like in the game. Most of those negative videos you're talking about are not game reviews.
I'm aware of what a review is, in fact I've made a couple myself. I'm referring to the people in general who just do nothing but complain and don't provide anything constructive, nor do they actually give credit where it's due.@@Largentina.
@@YeetaItacan you blame them for being pissed?
Thank you for the review!
Thanks for the honest review!
Bravo! This was a very solid video. I very much appreciate you making this and for there to be a properly structured critique of the game from a prominent figure in the payday community. I also very much appreciate you pointing out the flaws in payday 2. Me and my friends downgraded to earlier versions just because of how stupid the balancing in the game became and it was way more enjoyable.
I very much want this game to be good, but so far the launch has made me even more disappointed than I was even expecting to be. I really hope they can pick up the pace and I hope this video will be watched by a lot of people including the devs and hopefully this game will eventually be more than mediocre.
Oh also a fun fact about the chat feature we found while playing, they for some reason send the entire chat log with every message or ping sent, so eventually it gets to a point where any message makes everyone go to 100ms+ and forces the game to run at 0 fps.
In my oppinion this game doesn’t have enough content to warrant a 10 year dev time
Great video, thank you for honest opinion! I disagree with one point about music. In PD2 a lot of the heists had it's own unique music track. Like "Ode to greed" was from Big bank or "Hot Pursuit" from day two of Hotline Miami and ofc Payday by Alesso from heist of the same name. But i do agree that a lot of generic heists like banks had a random track from certain selection. And ability to change music for heist in lobby was added much after PD2 release.
thanks for the honest review!
I agree with practically everything you've said, ESPECIALLY when it comes to dozers looking too bland/like normal units. They should've kept the PD2 design, not made dudes that're 9ft tall. Also, Cloakers need more of a sound cue, like in PD2. You were at least given a bit of fair warning before you got cloaked. Now you can get instacloaked from around corners, because they start silently rushing at you before they even see you. Also, yeah, the progression system is utterly horrific and miserable.
My biggest issues with the game is 1. The delay when looking around and aiming on console which makes the game feel like shit. 2. The removal of the detection meter thing(can’t describe it but you know what I mean) and how stealth is completely revolved around rush. 3.The removal of perk decks. 4. Masks have been automatically put on when I’ve fallen from like 4 feet which has ruined so many no mask runs. 5. The lack of uniqueness in terms of builds,(almost every match I’ve been in everyone who is doing stealth is using the exact same stuff and that goes for loud unless they just got the game). Same with weapons and no melee customisation.
For 2. I’m talking about the meter that changers depending on what weapons and armour you use (forgot what it’s called)
@@MasterBigron it's the detection risk meter
For exp, there should have been an exp (for completion) up to a certain point, and then any level passed like, every base unlock, say when you unlock every weapon, you have to do challenges to level. It would show your ability to understand the game and is evidence of your skill. It would have made levels and unlocks feels less arbitrary and more impactful.
There is one thing about weapons that most people seems to don't care or don't address, if you buy one of the CStacks attachment and think "Hey, I want another, don't know, CAR4 for Loud or Stealth, let me buy a second weapon and put that CStack attachment" it does not work, you buy it and you can only use it for that weapon, even you buy the same weapon, you can't attach it, you need to buy it again, the same happens for all weapons.
I think you should have also done a small section for characters (personality) and story. I know its not really why you buy pd3 for but it is a sequel after all and it seems like the characters play a bigger role in this other than the og 4 (cinematics) .
Thank you for Call all of this out! People are happy to accept this, which is crazy!
I love the new stealth it feels like you're actually able to command areas of a building with the civs not having eagle eyes and immediately spotting a thief 14 miles away.
God bless you General :)
Good video, sir.
One thing I don't see people mentioning is that Payday 2 had the best ammo system in any game where your total ammo includes your currently loaded ammo. It's not a huge deal but it's another thing in this game that just feels like a downgrade.
I didn't see you address the favor/asset issue (the ones you can't buy). The fact that after completing a mission you have a chance of a random asset drop for a different mission is just dumb. Some assets like the elevator on Gold and Sharke are basically required for a smooth stealth experience. The fact that you have no control over aquiring these, further compounded by only being able to use one asset in solo makes it very frustrating.
I liked the revied so i subbed :)
Omg that’s my first time every actually seeing you! Dang dude your jacked as hell
Now that the servers are.. kinda working?? And I’ve had more time to play it, idk if this is a hot take here but I like 3 a little more than 2
Incredibly insightful points. Thank you for your review of the game.
by the way, the ramp up in fire rate of certain weapons like the m4/car-4 is a framerate bug. I figured that removing the fps limit on the video tab removes this glitch, which is so weird.
So that's why storm troopers always miss. All because of bloom >.
Yeah, a lot of things feel amiss with PD3. The UI could be better, in-game communication could be better, exp system could be SIGNIFICANTLY better. I think you nailed it with "PD3 came out half baked" because it does seem like it. Seems like they mostly focused on the main gameplay and almost completely ignored the UI, menus, social system, progression system, and the such. It really is a shame, especially with the server issues we have currently.
I got PD2 when it was free on humble bundle years ago. By that time it was already good, so I'm just gonna wait a couple of years for PD3 to improve
I'm having fun with it. recently solo stealthed the 99 boxes heist and used the glitch on it to get a LOT of XP
A shell of a live service game that will lock any meaningful improvements behind paid DLC likely including strictly better weapons that don't require grinding the awful progression to use.
The way PD3 is now, it's a great foundation to expand on in the future. The bones are there, and while it doesn't have much muscle, it just needs to work out more and bulk up.
It feels like they were too scared to make any big swings in design or mechanics because they want the community to tell them what they should make. So they focused on getting the base foundation of what they wanted, which I totally get and even applaud them for interacting with the community this much, but at some point the devs need to be confident enough to make decisions about skills, challenges, heist design, etc...
I don't quite agree that the heists all feel similar or that their designs mesh together. To some extent, sure, but I think that feeling is more an issue of content quantity and not enough randomization/variation within the heists. It's unfair to compare Launch-PD3 vs Current-PD2, but it's impossible to truly compare the *feeling* between Launch-PD3 vs. Launch-PD2 in terms of content and mechanics because it's been so long and few people truly remember what Launch-PD2 was like. Because of that, I think people are still subconciously comparing it to Current-PD2 with it's 70+ heists and a hundred weapons and skills and whatnot.
By sheer volume it's able to keep you engaged because you end up playing a huge variety regardless of their quality. Just hit quickplay and do a heist, you'll likely have at least a decent time messing around. Like, seriously, you don't do Harvest and Trustees because you like the heist, you play it because "Eh, I'm feeling a classic quick and dirty bank robbery right now." If you could only play 8 of PD2's heists like, I dunno, H&T, an Armored Truck, Train Heist, Ukrainian Job, Four Stores, Safehouse, Mall Crash, and Jewlery Store, people would get bored waiting for the damn drill to finish pretty quick, regardless of the individual quality of the heists.
As it is right now, I like the heists, but my main gripe is that they play too similar on repeat playthroughs. I played 99 boxes and went to the East side so often that I didn't even realize there was a West side until I randomly got that variation one time. Rock the Cradle has these frames on walls that look like where doors *would* be, but I've never seen them filled. The escape vehicle is almost always in the same place when going loud and usually stays there indefinitely. PD2 didn't have the most randomization/variation, but it had *juuuust* enough to keep you on your toes and not on autopilot. PD3 definitely needs more variety on that front. More variety in layouts, possible room/vault locations, escape points, things that can screw you over/can be a happy accident, etc... I can't be the only one that's getting tired of throwing thermite on the vault roof, especially when we were able to get to the vault door in stealth. Feels like at that point we could drill it instead!
Thank you for your honest thought General, know I can trust you with this judgement
I was planning on waiting when I saw your review on the beta; felt good about that decision when I took a look at the skills (Wasn't a fan about most of the skills being tied down to one of 3 buffs), and I'm so glad that I waited till this review. Every single thing mentioned in the Qol section is just....wow. Im at the point were I feel like Payday 2 was a one hit wonder, like it took the spot light, was something new and fresh compared to Pay Day the Heist and somehow looks vastly better than its sequel.
Thanks for the review!
I do like Payday 3, however it just doesn’t seem very.. rewarding? Like for how difficult it is, even at low level (or just cause I’m trash), but also very limited on weapons, skills seem a little less important as Payday 2. Way less missions so far. But still fun.
I know it seems like I dogged it a lot but it is what it is. Fun game, doesn’t seem very rewarding, short so constantly grinding the same mission/s, maybe like 20 weapons, skills ehh.
My score: 7-7.5/10
Its a 60 hour good game with tons of flaws and missing features. That will probly keep getting better over a long time and add 5-10 hours more gameplay for 15bucks every 4 month:P
Well said. I completely agree. I only played in the beta, the first day it was bugged and you couldn't earn xp, and I thought to myself.. this is not worth a day 1 purchase. If they don't completely rethink leveling in this game, I don't care if they add an offline mode, or allow players to host their own lobbies, I'm still not buying it. Your take on the challenges is spot on. Something else that I find very weird (watching a lot of streams) is that this game seems to treat progression as filling up a progress bar, to then let you fill up another progress bar.
You earn cash by doing heists, which you then use to buy another currency. What? Why not just earn the valuable currency? You earn xp from heists which you use to unlock skills and mods, but not your infamy level. And why do weapons need their own experience level as well?
All in all, this game is a pass from me for at least 6 months. If it's around then, maybe. If it's not.. meh, nothing lost.
You checking at 17:32 if you could steal that dudes phone had me dying laughing
I backed out as soon as I heard "live service" shits getting old
You can actually discard weapons that you've bought, It just requires pressing the Y key on a non equipped weapon.
Except! It doesn't work half the time for me. I have a bunch of weapons in my inventory which cannot be destroyed. Tried removing all attachments, cosmetics, everything - I have no option to do it.
Also, since mods are locked to specific weapon slots, discarding them is literally pissing away money and c-stacks into the wind.
Great video as always! This is just about how I felt after playing for a few days, good to see I wasn’t being overly critical. Thank you for giving your opinion on the game itself, so many people right now are caught up with the server issues, when there are COUNTLESS more gameplay issues with the game, servers and online only being a small piece of the much larger problem. Also, I really appreciate you touching on those arguments at the end, I was losing my mind with these awful takes post launch trying to justify all of the flaws of this game. I for one would be interested in a more in depth video discussion of the heists as well, it’s definitely something that needs to be talked about at length. Btw, that lame wifi circle objective is used for the last 4 heists.
The challenges being tied down too your XP level is what did it for me.😂
I've certainly been enjoying it.
Absolutely in a 'new game' state, but I trust them to keep making it better
Full release comming in 1 year? 2 years? who knows!