I kinda feel like the most annoying thing about her OW2 kit is simply the fact that everything about it feels like it’s an anti-abilities counter. People don’t like sombra for being able to cancel ultimates or abilities without any counter play like Suzu? So why is all her abilities just that, it just feels obnoxious. I’m not sure if she’s even good but playing against her just feels so boring.
I wouldn't say there is no counter play, I mean sure, it does turn off your abilities, but it's not like you are immediately dead. You can fight for your life, you can use health packs, you can play ring around the rosie with her if there is something around that breaks line of sight. People just hate it when they have to use their brain to counter something. I play supports mainly, and 8 out of 10 times I manage to survive a Sombra, or even kill her in an 1v1
@@pwpqwq7648 yeah I feel like she is counter-able it’s just overall most of her abilities are basically anti abilities and most of the time it doesn’t really work. So she might not be great but it’s still so boring trying to do anything just for her to pop three abilities that counter almost all things in the game
Overwatch jumped on the Black Panther bandwagon, now Orisa is one of those bald women soldiers, spear and everything. At first I embraced the new personality, she was built to counter Doomfist (quite literally), Doomfist is the main villain of Overwatch, the strongest character in the whole setting, so Orisa needs to be fiercer to clash with such monster... but then, it got played out fast, she is just another angry robot. And she kinda fails to be a "rival" to Doomfist... it's not like the rivalry between Widow and Ana for example, both characters have equal levels of charisma, they have similar skill, etc Doom remains stronger and more likeable than Orisa will ever be, this rivalry ship has sailed, Orisa is lost in a limbo, no personality, no relation with other characters, etc.. she just exists
@omrizubary Kinda annoying that most tanks have another tank that can counter them, except for Orisa which u gotta target her supports, or play Orisa aswell.
My biggest problem with Orisa is that her entire 2nd kit is way more selfish than her original kit. Bongo is so good because it affects the ENTIRE team, same goes for shield. Spear is an amazing and fun ability, spin is fine as a defensive/offensive tool, and fortify is the cheapest ability I’ve ever seen for OW other than Suzu. But all of these abilities only affect Orisa unless you are shutting down an ult with spear. Even then, I would prefer if she was a more of a glass canon character in the tank roll.
Yeah they kind of changed her entire identity from a protective team hero to a selfish solo monster whose entire viability depends almost solely on her stats. I see what they were going for considering her late OW1 state but I don’t think this was the way
Old Orisa was one of my favorite character. She was an enabler tank, using the environment and her body to give the team an advantage. OW2 is just a more selfish game in general.
I believe her having a more selfish kit makes her more dependable in the OW2 way to play the game. There are plenty of other tanks that only have abilities that affect themselves instead of their team. And that's just bc of the tank role's job right now. Which is to stay alive and take space.
This is yet another issue of the Overwatch gameplay design, tank and healers are supposed to be more selfish, but Overwatch had this weird concept of off tanks, Roadhog, Winston and Hammond being completely selfish, etc.. now with just one tank, all of them are selfish. And to point fingers at the new golden boy of the genre, Marvel Rivals also struggles with this a little bit, Peni Parker is the only tank who have a defensive minded ultimate, all the others are super aggressive, Magneto instead of creating a big shield or a EMP, nope, he just throws a ball of junk at the enemies. This mentality that dps = fun is something extremely flawed imo
@@BPVikingNot Really, Pretty sure i have seen more orisas then my entire life has seen up till then back then, People immediately switch if they die as tank, It's pretty horrible
@@Invisibleboy999 you as a tank need to consider what your team is doing ? If you team isnt set up to attack the backline with you are probably not goin to be able to do much . So technically you can attck the backline but you have to be willing to pull out as soon as it gets hot .
What about javelin spin It will force you back so you can't exactly kill her backline if she keeps you away from them Also another one is what if the orisa also just falls back and protects their back line from you? What happens then
That's so true I feel like she can take so much punishment and still survive due to just how much armor she has Even fortify makes her basically an immovable object
Hog oneshot is alright in 6v6 imo but 5v5 its just obnoxious since it kinda had the “pharah effect” where you average to play your whole comp around one character and change your play style 100% just to “respect the hook”. Its like walking into LoS of a widowmaker and getting obliterated, unfun and boring. They either need to remove hook and rework hog COMPLETELY and change his play identity to make him healthy or just go back to 6v6 ot allow a 6v6 option where he’s viable there but not in 5v5.
I think her spear fits the lore since it counters doom and gives her versatility but the spinny spear deflect doesnt make sense to me in lore nor the new ult. Spinny spear doesnt really protect anyone but her and just boops and deals damage instead half the time, and the ult doesnt even work vs a character like doom since he still has access to hus mobility options unlike mauga cage and it even charges up his block. (I feel like adding an effect that stops movement abilities useage in the ult but reducing the charge up speed or the movement speed penalty would do well to compensate otherwise its just kinda a oneshot especially with a dmg boost of any kind.
Orisa is my fav hero in OW. when she was reworked i was sad to lose her old kit but i was ok with that seeing how people were finally liking her. but few months after that she was back to getting bumped on, which means we lost old Orisa for nothing.
I think it boils down to one simple thing: interaction. The most satisfying thing about overwatch (and hero shooters in general) is the various interactions between different abilities and characters. For example, if roadhog hooks one of your supports, and you are playing Dva, you can place your defense matrix over them to stop them getting bursted. This is a good interaction, as it relies on the skill and awareness of the Dva to do this. The think that makes OW2 Orissa fundamentally flawed, is how her kit actively discourages interaction. Her Javelin spin blocks projectiles, and her fortify blocks all forms of cc, while slapping on a large amount of armor and damage reduction. Both of these abilities discourage the player from interacting with her, often meaning the player must wait until these abilities are on cooldown to shoot her. Her javelin throw and ult are no better: sure, you can black the javelin with a barrier, but who thinks thats fun or interactive? Orisa is a literal walking middle finger to fun, not interesting interactions between her and her teammates, or her and the enemy team. She's simply a bundle of stats and nothing more.
I am one of the few people who actually loved playing OW1 Orisa. I had a little over 60 hours on her in all of OW1. Ever since they changed her entire kit for 5v5, I've stopped playing Orisa and only rarely choose Orisa.
Personally I never heavily played orisa in ow1, but as a main tank player she did still definitely have her place for me. Nowadays I do tbf play tank less but also play orisa less
Here I am absolutely love playing her, she was my main in OW1 and the rework in OW2 she was even more fun to play, to me shes one of the most fun characters to play in the game lol
I’m glad you enjoy her. Obviously not EVERYONE hates Orisa, just most people do, but of course some will still love any hero. For example, I hate playing as Symmetra, but some people really enjoy it. At the end of the day it’s all subjective, and in reality this video’s main point was just a facade to tell the history of the hero
Orisa was changed from an immovable object to an unstoppable force. I personally loved he original kit, being a sort of "commander" for the rest of the team to rally around and hold the line with. able to fight at a decent range compared to other tanks, while assisting with well placed barriers, the mini grav to temporarily kill enemy momentum, and the fortify and supercharger really let you pull a a pretty powerful last stand to try and hold off the enemy and buy your team enough time to make a comeback. Now Orisa is a tank who simply bulldozes enemies with a busted CC ability that can easily ruin someone's day and 2 defensive abilities that benefit her alone, makes her near impossible to kill when backed by a support making it braindead easy to just charge into the fight and steamroll an enemy or 2. Old Orisa's kit provided utility for the entire team to take advantage of, OW2 Orisa is extremely selfish kit that becomes ridiculously strong when other teammates dump any resources they have into her.
As a casual player, Orisa was my first tank "main" in OW1. The second hero I ever got a golden gun for. Loved playing her. Was excited for the rework in OW2, and DID have fun playing the new her in seasons 1-2. However overtime, she just felt more and more bored to play, despite the micro buffs. Fast forward to today in season 12 and I NEVER play her, only ever switching to her if the enemy has a really good Doom or Rein. Again, I play the game casually, and until this video I could never really explain (in words) why she felt so unfun and boring compared to OW1. Thank you so much for this detailed coverage. W channel for sure!!
OW1 Orisa is fun to play when her cooldowns are weaker but shorter in cooldown so she can do things more often. OW2 Orisa is simply a badly designed Tank, because now both of her sustain cooldowns are solely for self-sustain; every Tank should have some kind of team sustain ability. Secondly, OW2 Orisa has too much overall CC now to where it feels obnoxious to play against. Too much power is forced into Orisa's solo play making potential and she has lost the team play elements that OW1 Orisa had that made her more fun to play against individually.
For me it’s because her cooldown cycle is just crazy and doesn’t take much skill to pull off. There’s almost no downtime between spear, spin, and fortify. Low floor low ceiling character
She can be fun to play because she's the rare Tank where you can make plays while face tanking and not get completely run over when everyone else on the other team is shooting at you at once. She's a good defense Tank, especially on maps with minimal vertical play.
There is no reason she should have a cc and dmg reduction plus armor. I don’t understand why they would rework her just to make her exactly the same raid boss. Just replace fortify with her old Shield, that way she at least gets countered a little bit whilst holding her ground against Zar.
It’s still kind of confusing how they decided to keep fortify of all abilities from ow1. Hero identity aside, I think orisa could be in a much better spot if they just changed fortify into an entirely different ability
They really should have left her kit alone from overwatch, and this is as an Orisa Main, loved her 1 and still love playing her. The only time she isn't my first pick, is on defense maps .
As an Orisa player, I miss her Bongo, omg! I started playing OW1 with Orisa out of all characters and her Bongo made me win so many damn games! And now? Her new Ult is so bad! You HAVE to combo it with another Ult to properly do lots of damage, its ridiculous.
Almost entirely unrelated and almost certainly a balancing nightmare but I wish they would bring back bongo in some form, maybe as an alt casting option for her the same way Sym had multiple ults
I’m really glad everyone seems to be enjoying the video as I put a lot of time into this one, so I really appreciate the support. I’ll try to answer as many comments as possible but it might take a while. Also I’m already working on the next video (it’s about a support this time) but my pc is having some slight issues so we’ll see how things go. Hopefully aiming to get it out in 2 weeks tho
I mained Orisa back in 2017-18 before I stopped playing. I enjoyed her a lot, especially being able to hold a point in a corner. I've played her again recently and she still feels strong to me. I think I'm about as good as I used to be, if not even better now that I have a lot more wisdom under my belt.
Stop hating and learn to play against... ;) I mean... every single hero is "hated" in OW, for a reason or another. Orisa has a really strong kit, but almost all heroes have strong kit, regarding the situation
Even if I agree, to me, Orisa is the most oppressiv tank I can face ; but actually, a good Reinhardt too, a good Winston also, a good Doomfist, well... it is the definition of opression... 😆
You’re not wrong tbh. But I rather think it’s someone’s experience against a player who isn’t dominant than one who is which makes them hate certain heroes more than others. Of course not because getting stomped is more fun, but because that isn’t the regular experience. Anyone can dominate on any hero, and you can lose to any hero, and you can feel bad losing to them in that moment. But if you also hate playing against someone who is doing equally as well as you or worse, just because of the hero, then that’s the problem. It’s a similar situation with Sombra. Many people are able to acknowledge that she’s weak when she is, but they still don’t enjoy playing against her, despite having a good chance of victory
Its all fortify's fault. Letting her more than double her health immediatley, negate headshots, AND multiply healing with no way to counter it is never going to be fun to fight against.
Clicked on the video thinking that it had over 10k views because of the great editing, script and overall tone, but im surprised to see that you're still a "small" channel!! Awesome content, keep it up bro
Super happy you liked it that much and yes I will try to keep it up. These vids do take some time to make but next one should be ready in 2 weeks and I hope I can make that one good enough as well 🙂
She become another DD with insane survivability, playing quick matches mostly and if i do all my stuff good it's easy 1st place in damage on this horse
I haven't been playing overwatch for a while, but I think fortify needs to have its stun immunity removed. It gives her that ability to run you down. She gives me brawl tank vibes. You counter a brawl tank by stunning them or knocking then back.
For me the problem with her current design is that all of her abilities are incredibly redundant, and kinda boring. Javelin Spin and Fortify do more or less the same thing and you just end up using whichever one is currently not on cool-down. I honestly can't think of a single other hero where this is the case. Not only that but she could do entirely without fortify and get by fine, making the ability even more unnecessary. This just means that whenever Orisa should logically die as all of her ressources should have realistically been forced, she can still fortify and survive. Honestly I've no idea why they kept fortify from Overwatch 1, out of the 3 abilities the used to have it was easily the most boring one. Just imagine how fun and impactful Orisa would be now if the kept Halt! instead of fortify. That and she would just feel so much more bearable. But no instead we have the ability where Orisa changes colour and becomes invincible because this is fun.
Yeah fortify is a really stupid ability in OW2. On OG orisa it made sense as it was her only self sustain, but yeah don’t know how this was the ability they kept
I completely agree!! I've thought for ages that Orisa wouldn't be seen as an unkillable cooldown cycler and would be enjoyed much more by casuals if she kept Halt! instead of Fortify.
@@emma6648 most boring hero for absolutely everyone else to play against, Orisa herself is fun to play (imo). He’s complete bull crap and has Freelo matchups with almost every tank in the game. If he can shoot you, he can kill you.
I think Zarya and Doom are infinitely worse to play against than Orisa, doom has way more cc and an ability that punishes you for your teammates mistakes, zarya has the same second issue and takes even less skill than Orisa imo (basically zero aim required and a harder counter swap given her existence is the counter). I don't deny Orisa is boring to play against but the counters to her are easier to pull off for mid-low ranks than Zarya (and Doom to some extent)
Yeah those heroes can also be pretty problematic at times. Obviously different people find different matchups more difficult, and I think the hate towards Orisa is affected by various factors, but some people will definitely agree with you here and you have a valid take.
At least Doom dies almost immediately if you either counterplay him or make a mistake. His whole kit is CC which might "feel" incredibly powerful, but even with perfectly cycling CDs and following up with ult and empowered, he still can't outright finish off Orisa or Mauga. Besides squishies, he can barely get any meaningful damage in, and if he misses one ability or gets hit by a counter ability, it sometimes immediately spells the end for him.
But it's not about immediately killing is it, that's the Orisa struggle. You're just held hostage. Doom I can't catch the bugger and he just flies in, my teammates give him empowered punch, he either kills squishies or just sends me flying, goes back out and in again and it's just miserable, can't block it either
A comment on the hog oneshot, while his hook was definitely overpowered the rest of his kit paled in comparison, not to mention breather had a massive cooldown + him being a tank with no movement or damage blocking capability, so while people hated hog he was also balanced enough for counter play, as you could just focus him down and he usually didn’t have any options but to hope his supports could keep him alive. Meanwhile Orisa is literally a giant “nuh uh” as she had basically 3 abilities that could reduce/block damage, and then javelin to deny half the overwatch 2 roster ult or ability value, I mean Cass literally relies on headshot damage, fanning was a strategy but with Orisa’s super tankiness even if he landed two fans he would only have maybe reduced her to half health(even less if even one ability of hers is used!) not to mention javelin spin just eats everything, not even Zarya could get through that!
I feel like people hate on orisa a little less this season because of the multiple small buffs to dva that flew under the radar up until recently to where she’s seen everywhere. Oh yeah and doom where it’s either you get to play the game shooting at a wall with or you get a doom in your face cc’ing you while he still doesn’t die.
I think Orisa is just another example of braindead being rewarded in Overwatch. This is a problem since day 1, the awful gameplay direction of this IP. Characters like Rein and Mercy sometimes overperformed while requiring only one brain cell, but that's the catch, both are very likeable and charismatic, so people give it a pass. But then you have Reaper, Soldier, Junkrat... then here it comes the pure annoyance of Sombra, the day 1 Brigitte war crime, etc.. it's a eternal escalation. Orisa is literally the easiest tank in Overwatch "2", archetypal to the extreme, she only needs to be a wall that absorbs damage and occupy space... and she is rewarded for it, lol Mauga the same thing... then you compare these two with the hardest tanks (if not the hardest characters in the whole game), Doom and Hammond, they have to work like horses to sustain the line and remain alive. This dynamic works for the other roles, dps players hate Sombra, Junkrat, Reaper, Torb, Symmetra, etc.. supports hates Brigitte, Mercy, Kiriko, etc.. all these characters can do too much with little to no skill, that's a huge issue. And ever since Overwatch increased the hitbox of everything, that was the sign for me to abandon this game for good, they tone down the skill curve even more, you see McCree and Ashe players hitting phantom headshots time and time again in a EIGHT YEARS OLD game! People are playing McCree since day 1 and you will give them bullets the size of bricks? Good luck with that, lol I'm out, no reason to keep playing this abomination anymore, it's beyond broken at this point. And mind you, I am playing since 2018ish (just months before the Brigitte apocalypse), I was able to take advantage just like everyone else, but it's just not fun anymore, Overwatch became a tug of war, however heals or damage faster is going to win, zero tactics, zero brain
Yeah, although that wouldn’t necessarily fix things. If you replaced javelin many of her problems would still exist, but if you got rid of one of the other two she could end up dying too easily instead. It’s a difficult issue
I’m happy you think so. I’ve still got a long way to go in this whole RUclips thing and a lot to learn but I’m trying my best to make these videos as good as I can
For me i hate that she cannot be punished like most tanks will admit at times its on me but there are times where she can just push past me and kill my team while me and my team desperately try to kill her and it just sucks and while i could kill off her team there's also the big risk my team will die by her and I won't be there to stop her
I'd say her current problems are that her entire kit anti-CC, CC, and both. Which is no fun for anyone. That and her lack of damage fall-off means she can just target anyone without problem
The damage fall off thing is really weird because originally in Overwatch 2 they put it in so she had a more defined role, but then they just said nah and removed it.
Should have explained it like I did in my sombra vid but apex was one of the first forms of competitive Overwatch before the Overwatch league was a thing
9:50 I remember this, the infamous "paper shields" nerf. And this nerf was relatively fast compared to the previous nonsense (Brigitte being broken for 2+ years is just insane, the game died right there). It partially solved the double shield issue and Overwatch became +- stable ever since. I do believe the 6v6 test should roll back all the characters to their late 2022 state, block out all the new characters and maps, reading them bit by bit. Characters like Rammatra, Kiriko, Illari, Lifeweaver, "tank" Doomfist, etc.. they have to be reworked entirely, lots of work for a dev team know to be lazy and slow to react (in other words, they will consider the test a "failure", people will abandon Overwatch in favor of Marvel Rivals, maintenance mode in mid 2025 to early 2026 at best)
Bro I love Orisa. I wouldn't have 1100 hours on her if she wasn't fun. You guys literally say shes unkillable BUT then you dont use that opportunity to play with an extremely oppresive style, make crazy cheeky unexpected plays, solo flank to solo secure squishies- her incredible sustainablity and no damage fall off allows to do all those things. Instead you choose to play AFK style and then complain that the hero is boring. Such a skill issue take.
This is my opinion when people say support characters suck because half of what makes them good is being a threat but people think they just sit there and heal and then say "lifeweaver weak" "juno weak", that's because they're not being threatening and playing everyone like mercy.
I'm one of like... two✌people who used to mane Orisa in overwatch 1, but now I can't stand even seeing her Centaur ass in a match. And that's on the now rare chance I play this game at all.
Perhaps you’re right. It wasn’t purely the shields that made it strong, but I feel that was the defining factor in why it became oppressive. I didn’t want to go too in depth so that’s just about all I mentioned, but I see where you’re coming from
@meta-memes9060 yeah you’re technically not wrong but that’s the term the Overwatch community has always used for things like sigma’s or hog’s old combos, due to them being almost guaranteed once you land the first hit
the only part of her kit that is an issue is her gold, like some others have said, there really is no counter play like other forms like bastion ram or even mauga. She just gets all benefits at the press of a button and nobody can punish her or counter it.
@@BPViking id say do what everyone has wanted for ana nade but for fortify, make the cc immunity a cc reduction instead, they already shown they can tweak those numbers with the tank passive.
Yeah could perhaps help, although realistically the solution is probably to make a new ability entirely in the long term. The problem then though is, depending on the ability, does orisa now just explode instead?
@@BPViking probably given her long butt, too much too easy to hit. I feel like removing fortify entirely would remove the last bit of orisas originality though, unless they swapped it for halt! . Then though that would make landing spear too easy, and since she needs more defenses they might need to tweak spin or give it resource, but then its just budget dva matrix making it feel lame unless they boost her speed buff while using it too, she turns into land doomfist.
@@BPViking The best possible fix would be to give Winston punch a resource, and when he punches he grabs people, and during ultimate he can grab two people and beat the others with their own teamates, and the ones grabbed have a Dead By Daylight wiggle bar they can do to use up more resource. That would fix Orisa for sure.
Maybe, it’s difficult to say but realistically the only problem with her balance wise was when you combined her shield with another one, so it might work
@@calus_bath_water one doesn’t one shot you and is a tank and one does orisa is only not “fun” cause she counters rein and a little ram and sometimes queen
@@BPViking May I say a few words by taking 5 minutes from your time? The talk of widow and Orisa are "ez broken heroes" is old news, As of today the majority knows how to play against them: Vs Widow is don't peak and she is dead by letting your monkey or your dive dps kill her, For Orisa it's literally make her waste gold and she is dead. I am a diamond 5 tank and I saw no Orisa besides 1 time on Penensuela. Point is that at current moment players knows how to play against them
why dont they try more drastic changes insead of micro buffs and nerfs. like imagine if fortify: gave no overhealth and can be headshot but gives 40% movement speed. make her a real speedy horse with 2 speeding abilities. i could think of 100 things they could try.
Yeah blizzard have never been particularly radical with their balancing for Overwatch (at least from what I can remember). Sometimes they make random changes that make no sense, but whether or not they have a purpose, they tend to play it on the safe side. Now I’m not gonna try to argue whether this is the right or wrong approach but it’s the one they’ve taken and it can be frustrating at times
I don’t. If anything I hate Rein/Mauga, if I see them I hard tunnel vision them as Bastion until they rage swap. Also, I find it funny that release Orisa is probably the best balanced Orisa.
Hey we all have who we hate. I love rein but not mauga personally. Also yeah it’s kinda crazy how OG orisa (after maybe her second buff) was probably the most balanced she ever has been
@@BPViking I used to like Rein, but now the players are all “REIN DUEL. FOR FLATS!! HONOUR.” like every time. Then, the good ones can juggle shield and the only way to stop them is to melt with Bastion by making them cautious without their shield 24/7 (I’m talking quickplay, I never subject myself to comp, I played one in S7 OW1 and got GM so that’s enough for me). I assume in comp Rein is okay since people would instantly counter.
AND THEY'VE BUFFED HER AGAIN!!!
Yeah lol
HONOR, JUSTICE, BEER!
Orisa: no fun is allowed
The OW2 balancing team is just insane by now
Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result
HOOO BOY SHE GOT HALF OF A MASSIVE NERF REVERTED. BETTER WATCH OUT.
@thatboredaroace your overreacting in my view, now she ain't moving like a snail no more
I kinda feel like the most annoying thing about her OW2 kit is simply the fact that everything about it feels like it’s an anti-abilities counter. People don’t like sombra for being able to cancel ultimates or abilities without any counter play like Suzu? So why is all her abilities just that, it just feels obnoxious. I’m not sure if she’s even good but playing against her just feels so boring.
Spam, spam, spam, kill someone by pushing them off the cliff, tank 4 ults, Immortal horse...... Nuclear bomb ._.
I wouldn't say there is no counter play, I mean sure, it does turn off your abilities, but it's not like you are immediately dead. You can fight for your life, you can use health packs, you can play ring around the rosie with her if there is something around that breaks line of sight. People just hate it when they have to use their brain to counter something. I play supports mainly, and 8 out of 10 times I manage to survive a Sombra, or even kill her in an 1v1
@@pwpqwq7648 yeah I feel like she is counter-able it’s just overall most of her abilities are basically anti abilities and most of the time it doesn’t really work. So she might not be great but it’s still so boring trying to do anything just for her to pop three abilities that counter almost all things in the game
I mean she's very counterable, people just want to stuck to their one tricks
Know my issue with Larissa is that she makes gameplay linear and she's just boring to play into and against always has been and always will
Saddest part is how they turned her from a friendly traffic assistant to a barbarian. Be careful when crossing the street.
Yes
They increased her weight without changing the engine
The friendly traffic assistant shot a child
Overwatch jumped on the Black Panther bandwagon, now Orisa is one of those bald women soldiers, spear and everything. At first I embraced the new personality, she was built to counter Doomfist (quite literally), Doomfist is the main villain of Overwatch, the strongest character in the whole setting, so Orisa needs to be fiercer to clash with such monster... but then, it got played out fast, she is just another angry robot. And she kinda fails to be a "rival" to Doomfist... it's not like the rivalry between Widow and Ana for example, both characters have equal levels of charisma, they have similar skill, etc Doom remains stronger and more likeable than Orisa will ever be, this rivalry ship has sailed, Orisa is lost in a limbo, no personality, no relation with other characters, etc.. she just exists
@@RRRRRRRRR33 wait, wait, wait - Doomfist is likeable?
No one likes fighting an undying wall. That's why I hate the horse.
And it’s exactly why I love playing her
@@RandoMan07 that's why you cut the horse's life supply aka her supports
@omrizubary Kinda annoying that most tanks have another tank that can counter them, except for Orisa which u gotta target her supports, or play Orisa aswell.
@@waldytosantana3840 Or play Zarya
@@waldytosantana3840Zarya?
My biggest problem with Orisa is that her entire 2nd kit is way more selfish than her original kit. Bongo is so good because it affects the ENTIRE team, same goes for shield. Spear is an amazing and fun ability, spin is fine as a defensive/offensive tool, and fortify is the cheapest ability I’ve ever seen for OW other than Suzu. But all of these abilities only affect Orisa unless you are shutting down an ult with spear. Even then, I would prefer if she was a more of a glass canon character in the tank roll.
Yeah they kind of changed her entire identity from a protective team hero to a selfish solo monster whose entire viability depends almost solely on her stats. I see what they were going for considering her late OW1 state but I don’t think this was the way
bruh shes slow moving. How would a "glass cannon" tank even work? thats literally just a dps.
Old Orisa was one of my favorite character. She was an enabler tank, using the environment and her body to give the team an advantage.
OW2 is just a more selfish game in general.
I believe her having a more selfish kit makes her more dependable in the OW2 way to play the game. There are plenty of other tanks that only have abilities that affect themselves instead of their team. And that's just bc of the tank role's job right now. Which is to stay alive and take space.
This is yet another issue of the Overwatch gameplay design, tank and healers are supposed to be more selfish, but Overwatch had this weird concept of off tanks, Roadhog, Winston and Hammond being completely selfish, etc.. now with just one tank, all of them are selfish. And to point fingers at the new golden boy of the genre, Marvel Rivals also struggles with this a little bit, Peni Parker is the only tank who have a defensive minded ultimate, all the others are super aggressive, Magneto instead of creating a big shield or a EMP, nope, he just throws a ball of junk at the enemies. This mentality that dps = fun is something extremely flawed imo
As someone Who grinded out the season 4 pass within a week, I loathe Orisa with my entire existence
Fair but wasn’t orisa pretty bad that season?
@@BPVikingNot Really, Pretty sure i have seen more orisas then my entire life has seen up till then back then, People immediately switch if they die as tank, It's pretty horrible
Fair enough, I don’t remember entirely tbf. Either way I get what you mean
I said it once and I'll say it again: its easier to complain about Orisa when you keep shooting her gold than ignoring her and kill her backline
Very true
This
I literally try to do this as tank and the orisa peels for her team then i cant do shit
@@Invisibleboy999 you as a tank need to consider what your team is doing ? If you team isnt set up to attack the backline with you are probably not goin to be able to do much . So technically you can attck the backline but you have to be willing to pull out as soon as it gets hot .
What about javelin spin
It will force you back so you can't exactly kill her backline if she keeps you away from them
Also another one is what if the orisa also just falls back and protects their back line from you? What happens then
Everyone hates Orisa because she is unkillable, but after the tank buffs, everyone became unkillable
Yeah kinda
She’s like shooting a damn wall and you can’t fight a wall
Yeah, that’s why the way to beat her is to usually just ignore her. But that isn’t particularly fun either
@@BPVikingnor is it exactly effective as the orisa could just help their backline kill you instead
That's so true
I feel like she can take so much punishment and still survive due to just how much armor she has
Even fortify makes her basically an immovable object
I feel sinful for missing hogs one shot
And maybe you should
But maybe you shouldn’t.
You do you
Hog oneshot is alright in 6v6 imo but 5v5 its just obnoxious since it kinda had the “pharah effect” where you average to play your whole comp around one character and change your play style 100% just to “respect the hook”.
Its like walking into LoS of a widowmaker and getting obliterated, unfun and boring.
They either need to remove hook and rework hog COMPLETELY and change his play identity to make him healthy or just go back to 6v6 ot allow a 6v6 option where he’s viable there but not in 5v5.
I like playing her occasionally, i think shes very true to her lore in her gameplay
I can find her fun once in a while, just not someone I play often
Who cares about lore? The gameplay is what really matters…
@@ghost_ship_supreme oh teacher, teacher! I do!!
I think orisa is one of those ol’ reliable tanks that I can fall back on when my mains aren’t working
I think her spear fits the lore since it counters doom and gives her versatility but the spinny spear deflect doesnt make sense to me in lore nor the new ult.
Spinny spear doesnt really protect anyone but her and just boops and deals damage instead half the time, and the ult doesnt even work vs a character like doom since he still has access to hus mobility options unlike mauga cage and it even charges up his block.
(I feel like adding an effect that stops movement abilities useage in the ult but reducing the charge up speed or the movement speed penalty would do well to compensate otherwise its just kinda a oneshot especially with a dmg boost of any kind.
Orisa is my fav hero in OW. when she was reworked i was sad to lose her old kit but i was ok with that seeing how people were finally liking her. but few months after that she was back to getting bumped on, which means we lost old Orisa for nothing.
New Orisa is many times better than old Orisa lmao
Both orisas are shitty and boring
I think it boils down to one simple thing: interaction. The most satisfying thing about overwatch (and hero shooters in general) is the various interactions between different abilities and characters. For example, if roadhog hooks one of your supports, and you are playing Dva, you can place your defense matrix over them to stop them getting bursted. This is a good interaction, as it relies on the skill and awareness of the Dva to do this. The think that makes OW2 Orissa fundamentally flawed, is how her kit actively discourages interaction. Her Javelin spin blocks projectiles, and her fortify blocks all forms of cc, while slapping on a large amount of armor and damage reduction. Both of these abilities discourage the player from interacting with her, often meaning the player must wait until these abilities are on cooldown to shoot her. Her javelin throw and ult are no better: sure, you can black the javelin with a barrier, but who thinks thats fun or interactive? Orisa is a literal walking middle finger to fun, not interesting interactions between her and her teammates, or her and the enemy team. She's simply a bundle of stats and nothing more.
Yeah this is pretty accurate
every dps character are just walking stats XD
Orissa shield really made it feel like you were shaping the battlefield and changing the map to your benefit
Yeah, even though the play style was more slow paced it still somehow felt more impactful
It’s so boring to fight a character whose whole identity is based around denying and living forever. I hate her so much Orisa meta was my hell
Yeah her core design now is just weird
Basically its overloaded design that reworked for ow2 is meant to bully an entire tank rooster, which means punishment for trying to have fun
Yeah new orisa is kind of designed just to keep other tanks in check but then that becomes miserable for the other tanks who she keeps ‘in check’
I am one of the few people who actually loved playing OW1 Orisa. I had a little over 60 hours on her in all of OW1. Ever since they changed her entire kit for 5v5, I've stopped playing Orisa and only rarely choose Orisa.
Personally I never heavily played orisa in ow1, but as a main tank player she did still definitely have her place for me. Nowadays I do tbf play tank less but also play orisa less
Here I am absolutely love playing her, she was my main in OW1 and the rework in OW2 she was even more fun to play, to me shes one of the most fun characters to play in the game lol
I’m glad you enjoy her. Obviously not EVERYONE hates Orisa, just most people do, but of course some will still love any hero. For example, I hate playing as Symmetra, but some people really enjoy it. At the end of the day it’s all subjective, and in reality this video’s main point was just a facade to tell the history of the hero
Orisa was changed from an immovable object to an unstoppable force. I personally loved he original kit, being a sort of "commander" for the rest of the team to rally around and hold the line with. able to fight at a decent range compared to other tanks, while assisting with well placed barriers, the mini grav to temporarily kill enemy momentum, and the fortify and supercharger really let you pull a a pretty powerful last stand to try and hold off the enemy and buy your team enough time to make a comeback.
Now Orisa is a tank who simply bulldozes enemies with a busted CC ability that can easily ruin someone's day and 2 defensive abilities that benefit her alone, makes her near impossible to kill when backed by a support making it braindead easy to just charge into the fight and steamroll an enemy or 2. Old Orisa's kit provided utility for the entire team to take advantage of, OW2 Orisa is extremely selfish kit that becomes ridiculously strong when other teammates dump any resources they have into her.
Yeah this is true
More fun to watch than soldier ngl
Fair enough. Soldier is just running and then point and click adventure (no hate to soldier players)
As a casual player, Orisa was my first tank "main" in OW1. The second hero I ever got a golden gun for. Loved playing her.
Was excited for the rework in OW2, and DID have fun playing the new her in seasons 1-2. However overtime, she just felt more and more bored to play, despite the micro buffs. Fast forward to today in season 12 and I NEVER play her, only ever switching to her if the enemy has a really good Doom or Rein.
Again, I play the game casually, and until this video I could never really explain (in words) why she felt so unfun and boring compared to OW1. Thank you so much for this detailed coverage. W channel for sure!!
I’m glad you liked it
I have approximately 300 hours played on Overwatch 2, and almost 200 hours were spent playing Orisa lol
Hey you do you, if you like her that’s fine
OW1 Orisa is fun to play when her cooldowns are weaker but shorter in cooldown so she can do things more often.
OW2 Orisa is simply a badly designed Tank, because now both of her sustain cooldowns are solely for self-sustain; every Tank should have some kind of team sustain ability. Secondly, OW2 Orisa has too much overall CC now to where it feels obnoxious to play against. Too much power is forced into Orisa's solo play making potential and she has lost the team play elements that OW1 Orisa had that made her more fun to play against individually.
Agreed
For me it’s because her cooldown cycle is just crazy and doesn’t take much skill to pull off. There’s almost no downtime between spear, spin, and fortify. Low floor low ceiling character
The best strategy with orisa is to walk forward and never stop shooting. A plan so full proof every orisa player does it.
She can be fun to play because she's the rare Tank where you can make plays while face tanking and not get completely run over when everyone else on the other team is shooting at you at once. She's a good defense Tank, especially on maps with minimal vertical play.
Old orisa was less annoying and more unique. Now she is just a spam wall.
I too preferred old Orisa
There is no reason she should have a cc and dmg reduction plus armor. I don’t understand why they would rework her just to make her exactly the same raid boss.
Just replace fortify with her old Shield, that way she at least gets countered a little bit whilst holding her ground against Zar.
It’s still kind of confusing how they decided to keep fortify of all abilities from ow1. Hero identity aside, I think orisa could be in a much better spot if they just changed fortify into an entirely different ability
I like Orisa because at least she doesn't jump on me with 700+ health and insta kill me
Tbf she is slightly less annoying for non tank players
They really should have left her kit alone from overwatch, and this is as an Orisa Main, loved her 1 and still love playing her. The only time she isn't my first pick, is on defense maps .
As an Orisa player, I miss her Bongo, omg! I started playing OW1 with Orisa out of all characters and her Bongo made me win so many damn games! And now? Her new Ult is so bad! You HAVE to combo it with another Ult to properly do lots of damage, its ridiculous.
Yeah her new ult is rough, bongo was much better
Yeah it's funny how much her new ult has synergy with so many other tank ults, but alas, there are no longer two tanks
Almost entirely unrelated and almost certainly a balancing nightmare but I wish they would bring back bongo in some form, maybe as an alt casting option for her the same way Sym had multiple ults
Would be interesting
I’m really glad everyone seems to be enjoying the video as I put a lot of time into this one, so I really appreciate the support. I’ll try to answer as many comments as possible but it might take a while. Also I’m already working on the next video (it’s about a support this time) but my pc is having some slight issues so we’ll see how things go. Hopefully aiming to get it out in 2 weeks tho
#revertorisa
orisa has been alright for the past weeks, but DVA on the otherhand
I haven’t been playing much Overwatch recently except for recording footage tbh but yeah I’ve heard dva is pretty strong rn
This shit with only one ability disables whole Junker Queen and that's a problem, you literally can't heal from this cow
Orisa is a pretty hard counter to multiple tanks, junker queen included
I love playing Orisa but I understand she is frustrating to play against, although she is fun to play
Fair enough
I mained Orisa back in 2017-18 before I stopped playing. I enjoyed her a lot, especially being able to hold a point in a corner. I've played her again recently and she still feels strong to me. I think I'm about as good as I used to be, if not even better now that I have a lot more wisdom under my belt.
Nice
Orissa is my panick button hero. I just absolutely bully just about anybody with her. She just feels great to play
Watching this as an orisa player, I see this as an absolute win
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wasnt even gonna click but I hate the horse so I had to like it quick lol :3
lol fair play I appreciate it
Stop hating and learn to play against... ;)
I mean... every single hero is "hated" in OW, for a reason or another.
Orisa has a really strong kit, but almost all heroes have strong kit, regarding the situation
Even if I agree, to me, Orisa is the most oppressiv tank I can face ; but actually, a good Reinhardt too, a good Winston also, a good Doomfist, well... it is the definition of opression... 😆
You’re not wrong tbh. But I rather think it’s someone’s experience against a player who isn’t dominant than one who is which makes them hate certain heroes more than others. Of course not because getting stomped is more fun, but because that isn’t the regular experience. Anyone can dominate on any hero, and you can lose to any hero, and you can feel bad losing to them in that moment. But if you also hate playing against someone who is doing equally as well as you or worse, just because of the hero, then that’s the problem. It’s a similar situation with Sombra. Many people are able to acknowledge that she’s weak when she is, but they still don’t enjoy playing against her, despite having a good chance of victory
@@kouadio4231
You can hate and know how to play against. I rarely lose to Orisa. It doesn't mean I like fighting or seeing that dumb horse.
Man ow1 orisa was actually pretty good, her old ult I personally think was better for denying and assaulting objectives
I miss playing OW1 Orisa
Its all fortify's fault. Letting her more than double her health immediatley, negate headshots, AND multiply healing with no way to counter it is never going to be fun to fight against.
This is such a great video very informative, your an amazing underrated RUclipsr
That means a lot, thanks
2:38 yes I was there when sombra came out and they was hyped for orisa… well I still like them both, tho I would prefer their initial kit
Fair enough
Clicked on the video thinking that it had over 10k views because of the great editing, script and overall tone, but im surprised to see that you're still a "small" channel!! Awesome content, keep it up bro
Super happy you liked it that much and yes I will try to keep it up. These vids do take some time to make but next one should be ready in 2 weeks and I hope I can make that one good enough as well 🙂
same reason people hate facing muaga sombra and pharah, the counter play needed is often times not fun and fully requires character swaps
I like playing Orisa because her kit feels very tuned for the tank role and purpose of making/denying space and controlling the tempo of a fight.
Fair enough
She really does feel like the most "tanky" of the tanks,
She's this big unmovable hunk of metal
She become another DD with insane survivability, playing quick matches mostly and if i do all my stuff good it's easy 1st place in damage on this horse
I haven't been playing overwatch for a while, but I think fortify needs to have its stun immunity removed. It gives her that ability to run you down. She gives me brawl tank vibes. You counter a brawl tank by stunning them or knocking then back.
For me the problem with her current design is that all of her abilities are incredibly redundant, and kinda boring. Javelin Spin and Fortify do more or less the same thing and you just end up using whichever one is currently not on cool-down. I honestly can't think of a single other hero where this is the case. Not only that but she could do entirely without fortify and get by fine, making the ability even more unnecessary. This just means that whenever Orisa should logically die as all of her ressources should have realistically been forced, she can still fortify and survive. Honestly I've no idea why they kept fortify from Overwatch 1, out of the 3 abilities the used to have it was easily the most boring one. Just imagine how fun and impactful Orisa would be now if the kept Halt! instead of fortify. That and she would just feel so much more bearable. But no instead we have the ability where Orisa changes colour and becomes invincible because this is fun.
Yeah fortify is a really stupid ability in OW2. On OG orisa it made sense as it was her only self sustain, but yeah don’t know how this was the ability they kept
I completely agree!! I've thought for ages that Orisa wouldn't be seen as an unkillable cooldown cycler and would be enjoyed much more by casuals if she kept Halt! instead of Fortify.
Orisa is literally "CC for thee but none for me!"
Pretty much
“Overwatch’s most boring hero” when Mauga is RIGHT THERE
He’s actually kind of fun doe, fun ultimate fun shift ability
She’s considered the most boring hero throughout history, not necessarily only right now
@@emma6648 most boring hero for absolutely everyone else to play against, Orisa herself is fun to play (imo). He’s complete bull crap and has Freelo matchups with almost every tank in the game. If he can shoot you, he can kill you.
I think Zarya and Doom are infinitely worse to play against than Orisa, doom has way more cc and an ability that punishes you for your teammates mistakes, zarya has the same second issue and takes even less skill than Orisa imo (basically zero aim required and a harder counter swap given her existence is the counter). I don't deny Orisa is boring to play against but the counters to her are easier to pull off for mid-low ranks than Zarya (and Doom to some extent)
Yeah those heroes can also be pretty problematic at times. Obviously different people find different matchups more difficult, and I think the hate towards Orisa is affected by various factors, but some people will definitely agree with you here and you have a valid take.
At least Doom dies almost immediately if you either counterplay him or make a mistake. His whole kit is CC which might "feel" incredibly powerful, but even with perfectly cycling CDs and following up with ult and empowered, he still can't outright finish off Orisa or Mauga. Besides squishies, he can barely get any meaningful damage in, and if he misses one ability or gets hit by a counter ability, it sometimes immediately spells the end for him.
But it's not about immediately killing is it, that's the Orisa struggle. You're just held hostage. Doom I can't catch the bugger and he just flies in, my teammates give him empowered punch, he either kills squishies or just sends me flying, goes back out and in again and it's just miserable, can't block it either
I loved her O1 kit. Her O2 kit is fine but not at all fun to me, and it feels so different that they might as well have made a new character.
Yeah that's one thing that was weird about the rework. It just made her into so insanely different of a character.
A comment on the hog oneshot, while his hook was definitely overpowered the rest of his kit paled in comparison, not to mention breather had a massive cooldown + him being a tank with no movement or damage blocking capability, so while people hated hog he was also balanced enough for counter play, as you could just focus him down and he usually didn’t have any options but to hope his supports could keep him alive.
Meanwhile Orisa is literally a giant “nuh uh” as she had basically 3 abilities that could reduce/block damage, and then javelin to deny half the overwatch 2 roster ult or ability value, I mean Cass literally relies on headshot damage, fanning was a strategy but with Orisa’s super tankiness even if he landed two fans he would only have maybe reduced her to half health(even less if even one ability of hers is used!) not to mention javelin spin just eats everything, not even Zarya could get through that!
Good point
I loved playinf old orisa (I stopped before sigma release and was realy realy bad) but the support aspect of the hero was so appealing to me
yeah that's valid
I feel like people hate on orisa a little less this season because of the multiple small buffs to dva that flew under the radar up until recently to where she’s seen everywhere. Oh yeah and doom where it’s either you get to play the game shooting at a wall with or you get a doom in your face cc’ing you while he still doesn’t die.
Yeah orisa hate has lessened as she is less oppressive right now. Although if she gets another buff or two there could be problems
I like shredding Orisas as Bastion but you obviously need to time your turret mode. As expected from Bastion a tank buster
this video is very well made and needs more views
Glad you enjoyed
I think Orisa is just another example of braindead being rewarded in Overwatch. This is a problem since day 1, the awful gameplay direction of this IP. Characters like Rein and Mercy sometimes overperformed while requiring only one brain cell, but that's the catch, both are very likeable and charismatic, so people give it a pass. But then you have Reaper, Soldier, Junkrat... then here it comes the pure annoyance of Sombra, the day 1 Brigitte war crime, etc.. it's a eternal escalation. Orisa is literally the easiest tank in Overwatch "2", archetypal to the extreme, she only needs to be a wall that absorbs damage and occupy space... and she is rewarded for it, lol Mauga the same thing... then you compare these two with the hardest tanks (if not the hardest characters in the whole game), Doom and Hammond, they have to work like horses to sustain the line and remain alive.
This dynamic works for the other roles, dps players hate Sombra, Junkrat, Reaper, Torb, Symmetra, etc.. supports hates Brigitte, Mercy, Kiriko, etc.. all these characters can do too much with little to no skill, that's a huge issue. And ever since Overwatch increased the hitbox of everything, that was the sign for me to abandon this game for good, they tone down the skill curve even more, you see McCree and Ashe players hitting phantom headshots time and time again in a EIGHT YEARS OLD game! People are playing McCree since day 1 and you will give them bullets the size of bricks? Good luck with that, lol I'm out, no reason to keep playing this abomination anymore, it's beyond broken at this point. And mind you, I am playing since 2018ish (just months before the Brigitte apocalypse), I was able to take advantage just like everyone else, but it's just not fun anymore, Overwatch became a tug of war, however heals or damage faster is going to win, zero tactics, zero brain
Id drop one of her current abilities for her old "halt" ability.
Yeah, although that wouldn’t necessarily fix things. If you replaced javelin many of her problems would still exist, but if you got rid of one of the other two she could end up dying too easily instead. It’s a difficult issue
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I’m happy you think so. I’ve still got a long way to go in this whole RUclips thing and a lot to learn but I’m trying my best to make these videos as good as I can
Orisa > dva , id rather play 30 games into an orisa than 3 games into a dva , even if they suck
i lowkey main as orisa😭
How dare you 😡
For real tho you do you man glad you enjoy her
You lowkey need to learn how to play a hero that requires any form of skill
@calus_bath_water He is terribly sorry that he plays a character that he enjoys and you don't
@@omrizubary there is absolutely zero chance anybody finds orisa fun, actual snooze fest of a hero
@calus_bath_water He is a living proof, you're looking right at him
Orisa is very low risk, EXTREMELY high reward 😂
Brig video next. Good work on this in
Thanks and yeah you guessed it brig video is next
For me i hate that she cannot be punished like most tanks will admit at times its on me but there are times where she can just push past me and kill my team while me and my team desperately try to kill her and it just sucks and while i could kill off her team there's also the big risk my team will die by her and I won't be there to stop her
As a doom main I bag any orisa/sombra I manage to diff (ik its toxic but they should just use a skilled hero)
I’m an orisa main and this is valid
I'd say her current problems are that her entire kit anti-CC, CC, and both. Which is no fun for anyone. That and her lack of damage fall-off means she can just target anyone without problem
The damage fall off thing is really weird because originally in Overwatch 2 they put it in so she had a more defined role, but then they just said nah and removed it.
Rather fight a orisa then mauga
That’s valid
@@BPVikingeven though he’s a new character he needs a full rework, like orisa and bastion lol
Mauga’s hero design from a gameplay standpoint is just so bad lol
3:44 huh? Wrong game dude
Should have explained it like I did in my sombra vid but apex was one of the first forms of competitive Overwatch before the Overwatch league was a thing
I remember playing this game back when everyone was OP. Even a loss was fun! Now it’s just yet another sweatfest.
I’d rather play the original game.
Sometimes I feel like that with a lot of games tbh
Literally the only person who likes orisa 😢
Nah if you check the comments there are a few Orisa enjoyers
The horse is a tank. XD
Crazy
i dunno what yall talking about, orisa is the only tank i play besides hog, i like her
To each their own. A lot of people hate Orisa, but that doesn’t mean everyone does, that’s simply the nature of the thing.
Yeah yeah, i also see her a lot when i play on EU servers, i guess that makes a difference :D
I know this isn't really related to the video but the more OW1 clips I see, the more I realize it looked better than OW2 😢
At the time I remember people being so confused why they changed the ui. I don’t mind the new one but the old one was honestly just as good
0:16 what's that sound effect from? I heard it before.
Don’t know where it’s from but I just have it labelled as ‘question mark sound effect’
I’ve heard it from the Ace Attorney series
"evidence found" from ace attorney
Feel like it's from spyro
9:50 I remember this, the infamous "paper shields" nerf. And this nerf was relatively fast compared to the previous nonsense (Brigitte being broken for 2+ years is just insane, the game died right there). It partially solved the double shield issue and Overwatch became +- stable ever since. I do believe the 6v6 test should roll back all the characters to their late 2022 state, block out all the new characters and maps, reading them bit by bit. Characters like Rammatra, Kiriko, Illari, Lifeweaver, "tank" Doomfist, etc.. they have to be reworked entirely, lots of work for a dev team know to be lazy and slow to react (in other words, they will consider the test a "failure", people will abandon Overwatch in favor of Marvel Rivals, maintenance mode in mid 2025 to early 2026 at best)
Bro I love Orisa. I wouldn't have 1100 hours on her if she wasn't fun. You guys literally say shes unkillable BUT then you dont use that opportunity to play with an extremely oppresive style, make crazy cheeky unexpected plays, solo flank to solo secure squishies- her incredible sustainablity and no damage fall off allows to do all those things. Instead you choose to play AFK style and then complain that the hero is boring. Such a skill issue take.
This is my opinion when people say support characters suck because half of what makes them good is being a threat but people think they just sit there and heal and then say "lifeweaver weak" "juno weak", that's because they're not being threatening and playing everyone like mercy.
she just does not fking die
Pretty much
Remember when ow2 orisa was considered stupid fun what happend
I do remember 😢
I'm one of like... two✌people who used to mane Orisa in overwatch 1, but now I can't stand even seeing her Centaur ass in a match. And that's on the now rare chance I play this game at all.
She should be banned for below gold in competitive.
I see what you mean, but of course this would never be the answer to the problem
7:49 this is kinda misleading, the comp was not strong just because there are 2 shields on the field. otherwise good vid
Perhaps you’re right. It wasn’t purely the shields that made it strong, but I feel that was the defining factor in why it became oppressive. I didn’t want to go too in depth so that’s just about all I mentioned, but I see where you’re coming from
I mained Orisa in overwatch one, hated the rework, and never played the game again.
Sad times
“One-shot combo” is oxymoron
It's a perfectly valid term if the combo is unavoidable once the first hit lands
@meta-memes9060 yeah you’re technically not wrong but that’s the term the Overwatch community has always used for things like sigma’s or hog’s old combos, due to them being almost guaranteed once you land the first hit
No it’s not though
Immortal Horse
IMO I think Orisa is what they want a tank to be. Unfortunately no other tank really fits that narrative except maybe Rein.
Agree with everything except Rein
Orisa has kind of become the new Overwatch 2 solo tank. I also don’t know about Rein fitting the narrative tho
the only part of her kit that is an issue is her gold, like some others have said, there really is no counter play like other forms like bastion ram or even mauga. She just gets all benefits at the press of a button and nobody can punish her or counter it.
Yeah if I could only change one thing it would easily be fortify
@@BPViking id say do what everyone has wanted for ana nade but for fortify, make the cc immunity a cc reduction instead, they already shown they can tweak those numbers with the tank passive.
Yeah could perhaps help, although realistically the solution is probably to make a new ability entirely in the long term. The problem then though is, depending on the ability, does orisa now just explode instead?
@@BPViking probably given her long butt, too much too easy to hit. I feel like removing fortify entirely would remove the last bit of orisas originality though, unless they swapped it for halt! . Then though that would make landing spear too easy, and since she needs more defenses they might need to tweak spin or give it resource, but then its just budget dva matrix making it feel lame unless they boost her speed buff while using it too, she turns into land doomfist.
@@BPViking The best possible fix would be to give Winston punch a resource, and when he punches he grabs people, and during ultimate he can grab two people and beat the others with their own teamates, and the ones grabbed have a Dead By Daylight wiggle bar they can do to use up more resource. That would fix Orisa for sure.
How do I play orisa after the recent tank update and orisa nerfs?
Idk I’m honestly not the right person to ask
Sometimes I think could her old kit work now since there aren’t two tanks and the double shield meta is gone
Maybe, it’s difficult to say but realistically the only problem with her balance wise was when you combined her shield with another one, so it might work
People who say orisa is unfun are the same people who think widow is fun to vs and interactive
That's just not true, both are boring broken ez win heroes
@@calus_bath_water one doesn’t one shot you and is a tank and one does orisa is only not “fun” cause she counters rein and a little ram and sometimes queen
Skill issue @@calus_bath_water
@itsali654 I see what you mean but at the same time I don’t think this is true
@@BPViking May I say a few words by taking 5 minutes from your time? The talk of widow and Orisa are "ez broken heroes" is old news, As of today the majority knows how to play against them: Vs Widow is don't peak and she is dead by letting your monkey or your dive dps kill her, For Orisa it's literally make her waste gold and she is dead. I am a diamond 5 tank and I saw no Orisa besides 1 time on Penensuela. Point is that at current moment players knows how to play against them
why dont they try more drastic changes insead of micro buffs and nerfs.
like imagine if fortify: gave no overhealth and can be headshot but gives 40% movement speed. make her a real speedy horse with 2 speeding abilities.
i could think of 100 things they could try.
Yeah blizzard have never been particularly radical with their balancing for Overwatch (at least from what I can remember). Sometimes they make random changes that make no sense, but whether or not they have a purpose, they tend to play it on the safe side. Now I’m not gonna try to argue whether this is the right or wrong approach but it’s the one they’ve taken and it can be frustrating at times
im still holding hope maybe someday we'll get skill trees and we can pick and choose from ow1 ans ow2 abilities for Orisa, Bastion, Symm, Torb..
That would be really cool. Of course it would never happen but one can hope
Shes the worst to up against in total mayhem
I can probably think of worse, although I see where you’re coming from
@@BPViking it's really annoying when player's keep throwing the javelin...
What I love Orisa!!
Doomfist was right
I don’t. If anything I hate Rein/Mauga, if I see them I hard tunnel vision them as Bastion until they rage swap. Also, I find it funny that release Orisa is probably the best balanced Orisa.
Hey we all have who we hate. I love rein but not mauga personally. Also yeah it’s kinda crazy how OG orisa (after maybe her second buff) was probably the most balanced she ever has been
@@BPViking I used to like Rein, but now the players are all “REIN DUEL. FOR FLATS!! HONOUR.” like every time. Then, the good ones can juggle shield and the only way to stop them is to melt with Bastion by making them cautious without their shield 24/7 (I’m talking quickplay, I never subject myself to comp, I played one in S7 OW1 and got GM so that’s enough for me). I assume in comp Rein is okay since people would instantly counter.
@Kaiji… yeah I don’t mind it sometimes but it can be annoying