Why You Shouldn’t Learn Flutter
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Flutter is a popular development framework for creating cross platform mobile applications and web applications, but is it the best framework to learn? Is the job market big enough for flutter developers? In this video I give my thoughts on a viral Twitter/Reddit post where someone talked about how difficult it has been for them to get a job as a Flutter developer.
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Fun fact: In the real world, the more popular a framework is, the more competitors there will be.
So it is not always true that "the more popular the framework, the easier it is to get a job.''
Is there a lack of developers or to much of them in a specific language? Basic supply and demand should be your indicator.
@@rulesmen
My first comment is really about basic supply and demand lol
I have no choice but to tell you the same thing over and over again.
I think arguments based on objective data about supply and demand are useful. I don't think that's included in either this video or your comment.
Let me rephrase it. Is there a lack / too much of developers in terms of demand. Price of freelancers or salaries based on language are usually a good indicator.
@@rulesmen
"Are there too few or too many developers to meet the demand?"
I don't have an answer to this question, nor do I have *objective* data to support any claim on this matter. Do you have such data? If so, I would like to see it.
No *objective* evidence is provided in this video at all.
To my knowledge, there appears to be no *objective* data available. If a single post on Reddit is considered *objective* verification, then anything can be asserted as true.
"freelancers or salaries based on language are usually a good indicator."
You are free to choose which indicator you trust, but it is only your indicator, it doesn't matter to me.
Let me just ask this:
If a job seeker's technology stack is React Native, can they easily get a job even if they are less skilled?
Do you think that it is impossible to get a Flutter job in 2023, no matter how skilled a job seeker is in Flutter?
It's ridiculously obvious, but in the end it comes down to the ability of the job seeker.
It would be a different story if Flutter jobs really didn't exist at all, but that's not the case in the real world.
I really feel that this idea of prioritizing technologies based on the job market leaves out the role of a developer to understand current developments and making an impact on the choice of technologies themselves once they are employed. While you can work as a programmer, programming is still not fundamentally just a grunt job; it's a skill. You can certainly use that skill professionally, but if you have the ambition to excel at it, then you can't just consider yourself on the receiving end of someone else's dictates. You will be deciding the tech stack at some point. You will be introducing ideas from one technology to another. You will be inventing things yourself, for crying out loud.
Way too much top-down thinking going on here, in my not-so-humble opinion.
I've been using Flutter for 5 years and I love it. I used before Ionic, Cordova, Angular, React Native, NativeScript... this is by far the best option. I don't care about the market. I use it for my owns app and because I like it.
Why is it bettern than Nativescript? I like Nativescript.
dudee, samee. I was developing in Ionic on my first job for 3 years. 1 week ago i stared to reaseach flutter and I made so much progress beucase Ionic backgorund!
@@Fusionjura44from where should I learn flutter
How does it compare to React Native? What does it do better?
@@TerriTerriHotSauce I guess you can find plenty of videos comparing both. To me, the main different is avoid JS in mobile. It's simple. Dart is a new language which brings many good things and avoid the JS mess.
I've been using JS for 13 years and I prefer Dart.
The documentation and hot reload is also key here.
After that you can compare speed, apk size, etc. But I think that doesn't really matter that much.
In India, there's more openings for flutter than react native and native.
Absolutely correct
Which website is great for internship
Right 👍
I have some juniors with great projects in their resume but still not getting calls for interview
In Taiwan, tsmc IT department now change RN to Flutter
Flutter is the best sorry
I am a full time flutter developer with around 4 years of flutter experience and I think there is a substantial amount of flutter opportunity and it depends on you to be patient and learn at the same time with hunting for job, Certainly its not very easy but its also not impossible with good portfolio
In which architecture are you working in flutter? Getx or Bloc?
Bloc@@pintsizedpals
Hello sir
I am currently learning flutter but I am still confused that what things to master in flutter to became a job ready developer
So can you please provide me a simple roadmap to learn things in flutter
I would be very thankful for your help
@@pintsizedpals I work with mostly riverpod and Bloc
@@prashunmishra1400 there is no easy pr short path just google flutter roadmap and try to learn atleast 70-80% mentioned things in that and make projects in the process
You didnt highlight any flaw about flutter ... I guess its a perfect framework with social issues😂
Terrible review, pure misinformation. Why would i wanna learn react, swift or angular when i can just do everything under one code base. Proper waste of data and time. Your research is very incomplete.
Pffft, what about PWAs?
I really don't remember the last time I saw any mobile dev job posting that didn't ask about Flutter in my country (Bangladesh)
In Asia, especially South Asia, Flutter is the first choice for almost every company as most of them are start-ups that are becoming giants
Here in Nepal also Flutter has become quite popular now.
yeah, almost every startups here in indonesia asks for flutter; native mobile framework is almost nonexistent for entry levels.
True but these are mind you mostly outsourced which are mostly likely to be POC and once they get funding they will either go to native or hire 2 flutter dev for all platforms....
Tbh most companies in South Asia will still prefer React Native over Flutter because 1.) it's easy to find react devs and make them transition from react to react native 2. React Native uses Javascript while Flutter uses Dart which is a completely new language
It almost sounds as the react guys are really trying hard to protect their domain...
😂😂😂
flutter can be really used for freelancing things or building side project during free time
I hate videos with title like these, you should not use title like these since they misguide freshers
To get more views
Its very frustrating you start learning flutter and some random youtuber with the title 'flutter is dead'🤷♂️
Why you shouldn't make videos like this
Thats when people became framework engineer and not software engineer, just switch the stack and keep dsa active
Framework skills are universal. Generally you only need to learn a subject once after which you can use those skills for all frameworks. You shouldnt focus on one single thing but you shouldnt be worried about missing out on a framework or language because the skills you already have translate easily to any other programming skill.
this is such a misleading comment. yes the skills do benefit you while switching, but in the real world the chances of getting hired to a react native position for a person with 3 years of flutter experience are like %1 percent
Flutter is literally THE framework that is most different than anything else.
@@adnanjpg I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. Companies that know what they're doing want people who aren't stuck to just one technology throughout their entire career. Any company that rejects a developer who knows Flutter for a React position is just biting itself in the butt. The paradigms and workflows in these particular technologies are virtually identical.
After having some discussions about this very topic, it also seems that the popularity of Flutter is very different across continents...
I'm from the Netherlands and I get spammed by recruiters a lot.
@Bss_short.s Maybe some are, but many that ask me want me to come into office.
But I've also worked for companies where I had remote colleagues. I'm just not sure if they'd hire single devs or collaborate with external IT companies though.
flutter will probably takeover others in future for mobile dev
In the future maybe but people need jobs now
@@YourAverageTechBroMakes me think, should I be focusing on Flutter if I am going to look for a job 4-5 years from now? What are your thoughts on adoption of Flutter by then?
@@YourAverageTechBro 💯spot on, bills can't be postponed
@@isometric_shahil you don't need 4-5 years to learn a framework.
@@isometric_shahil i don't think so, personally i prefer React native because of 2 reasons.
1. i know React so its easier to learn React Native
2. my company uses React Native for all mobile projects. so its easier to transition into that.
but you don't have to follow my path. just learn Kotlin/Swift if you want to do native development, you have a better chance than flutter this way.
There are no reason to think react native will beat flutter, not a chance, did you tried that piece of ****? React native is just average in a bad market with ionic and xamarin being even worse and flutter being much better, and jetpack compose and swift ui being also better
anyone who complains about having to learn a particlar language or framework is not a true engineer. YOUR JOB IS TO LEARN AND ADAPT
i built and app in flutter in 5 months that will take 1 year to build in react and 2 years or even 3 in the native code. The Framework is just so fast to work with, thought has a limitation in background services and notifications but every thing else is more faster
Just to clarify...React is not a framework; Reach is a JavaScript Library.
Someone had to write that comment, yes.
This video is exactly what I was talking to my friends some days ago, and I relate with 100% of this video. I work as a Vue developer and I've been studying and creating Flutter apps since last year. Learned a lot of animations, styles, DB integration, state management, and yet I couldn't get a job, which is my dream to work as a mobile developer. But I know that the main problem here is the lack of flutter jobs.
I would say that the reason for this is because flutter is relatively new, so the cost for the companies to rebuild their apps/systems would be big. And of course, there are more native stack jobs like Kotlin or Swift if compared to Flutter, like 3 Kotlin jobs for 1 Flutter job.
Of course, I changed my focus from Flutter to a Native stack, so I started to study Kotlin, which has been very fun and easy to learn, but I must be honest and say that I'd love to work with Flutter.
since last year is about 1 year ago, it would be difficult finding a job with 1 year experience in flutter, let’s say you spent that time learning another framework would you have found a job by now 🤔.. with one year experience ?
@@codingwithsoloI love your question, and my answer is: maybe!
I think it depends on what framework I’m learning, and I can use Vue as an example. I got my first Vue job with only 3 months of experience, and React with 5 months. So my answer is: maybe I would get it, but it depends on what I’m learning
Going to also start learning Kotlin soon (i want to make the switch from full stack web dev to android dev). Glad it's been fun for you 👍
I think that I’ll still learn flutter, I’m 15 rn so it has some time to become more used, and even if it doesn’t, I think I’ll use it for a business idea that I have, since I can use flutter for the whole thing.
Brother i am a Native Android Developer and sad thing is Native android also has very less job openings , even if there are openings they ask atleast 5yr+ experience and less salary, telling about my situation in India, :( I thought to switch to flutter due to this but seeing your comment i've to rethink my choice.
Bro if you don't know, please don't spread the lies based on your assumptions. If you don't support or like flutter it's your choice. But don't spread such lies. Recently got a job 3 months back in flutter
Your microphone is bad, or the sound editing is terrible. Please work on it. 👀
Not everything is about the job and your income.. Get a LIFE! Ah yes, you obviously don't know what life is.. sorry for you
I'm a 10+ years iOS Developer, I haven't landed a job in 6 months. The problem is that companies are not willing to hire Devs without 5+ years in a SPECIFIC tech stack. I can learn Flutter. It's all the same. But companies want Seniors. So I'm Senior iOS, not Flutter. Nevertheless, the job market is though since the pandemic, the SVB bankruptcy and AI rise. My advice is always be open to learn any tech stack and don't get too envolved unless you really like it or they pay you very well. LOL.
Why should it be career ruining. In the normal Dev World Experience is everything, even when compansy dont use the framework anymore you still build private projects in it or start an own company of your choice. Also in germany there are sadly a lot of companys who will just switch to the newest framework thats coming out and drop it after 1 year anyway
I am Java, Machine learning and AI backend engineer, company needed some help with Flutter, so I learned it and tbh it is quite nice. I used to do some frontend before with JS, PHP etc, but Flutter really looks easier to use.
I think it depends on the country's market, for example: in Brazil unfortunately native iOS is losing market share and Flutter is growing, there are almost no more opportunities to work with iOS in Brazil, that's why I'm thinking about migrating to Flutter, although I don't really like it.
Really?? that's so interesting. I need to move to brazil lol
Yeah, the best option is to learn both, because then you can do freelance work also
Flutter might not be employable to work for a big company, but it is ideal for entrepreneurs and medium size projects.
The Only problem in React Native (for me) is that most of its libraries(Fuctions or classes) ar third party Unlike Flutter that has most of its components built in
I'm currently building my app using flutter cause this fits my needs and requirements for the app I'm building for but I guess this is not that popular enough to land a job in the market for some reason.anyways i like your opinions about this matters and it helps me a lot, and I currently learning react as well and I'm enjoying this.
guide me should i learn flutter
Search for what is the most popular/in-demand job in your country and learn it . I believe it different between country and another .
As you said , you are not an expert in mobile development then why are you lecturing about the domain with which you aren't familiar 😂
Flutter is way ahead of react native..... you must do some research before speaking
trying to use react in a sea of angular devs at my company feels like I'm swimming against the current every day just trying to keep my head up, but I think react is the place to be so I will make it work.
Angular is the corporate solution since it doesn't allow much freedom and the result is better structure of the code. This pays over time with faster app, faster maintenance, easier learning curve for new employees, better support, better testing. My guess is that you would not be able to keep your head above for too long.
Thank you for the valuable career advice. While I am more inclined toward Vue/Nuxt, after watching your video, I realized that I should definitely delve deeper into React.
I feel you. I work as a Vue/Nuxt developer here in Brazil. It wasn't that difficult to get this job, since a lot of companies use Vue in Brazil, but still harder than getting a React job. I started learning React/Next some months ago, I wouldn't say it's difficult, but sometimes is a pain in the a**, lol
The job market is garbage for everyone, not just flutter devs. The US is excessively printing money "quantitative easing" and we have around 200k layoffs, skeleton crews, low wages, toxic work environments, etc. It's a complete nightmare.
@@bernardomatuchewski1565 you know that’s absolutely true. I don’t know what big companies using react just for show off. Vue syntax is much elegant and easy to understand
Dart/Flutter is well-primed to take over everything, IMO. If it targets WASM, that would be nice for future proofing
Angular 17 is now better than React
depend on region
my countery 90% of startup using flutter
Would you mind letting me know which country this is? I'm a Flutter developer and very curious about this information. 😃🙏
@@bansooknam949
I am live now in iraq but I guess all middle east country use flutter,
and also I read some blogs about that Asia countries as china using flutter.
I don't know about europe countries
Thanks good to know that Iraq use a lot. I'm in Korea and Flutter grows as well but very slowly. I'm pretty sure it will cover much more in 3 Years.
Flutter is my favorite
the famous talk shit
When I started learning to code on my own, late 2019, everybody said: "There are many technologies, focus on something you really like". That's what I did. And I fell in love with Flutter. Unfortunately, I realized a couple of months later, early 2021, that the job offers for Flutter developers was almost zero. So, I thought "This was bullsh*t. I should've learn something that is in demand". I focused now on backend development, and some React for the front end. I keep working with Flutter on my free time though.
Hey! Why not Angular? I know both - React and Angular. I like the second one a bit more but in the end I think they both are great for SPAs.
here they are talking about mobile development
I think it’s incredible how a guy that isn’t good enough in searching jobs is capable to start the 3rd world war in our area 😅
Flutter is ♥️
This video aged like milk! 😂😂😂 React native? 😂😂😂 React better than Angular? 😂😂😂
Please, flutter angular by far the better FE tech stack! It is objective!
I’m a data engineer. So, I don’t have to worry about landing a first job and can pick programming language without worrying about job market. I’ve try React for web development and it just not my cup of tea 😂. I feel better working with dart than working with html, css and javascript all together to achieve the same thing. Plus, flutter allow me to develop not only on mobile but also on website and desktop with minimum afford. It’s good skill to invest if you want to just build your own application than join the job market.
That’s a good take.
Flutter web is lackluster and you barely, if ever, code HTML in a React project. It's JSX/TSX and CSS, thats it. In fact, if you use MUI with sx props you end up with a Flutter-like developer experience.
If you don’t have enough experience then why do you share misinformation? I have reported you for sharing misinformation.
I wouldn't have agreed to you in November 2018, while I was learning Flutter. 5 yrs down the line, You're damn right.
React and flutter are built approximately at the same time they compete fiercely , flutter give the needed and better performance and give the web version beside the mobile at least in my country i saw them request flutter technology greedly.
Flutter is a miracle that solve many issues.
i learn flutter not because want to get a job as a Flutter developer in company
Pov in order to justify coding in a superior language/framework you need to get a job that specifically for that framework. Consequence of not being multi-lingual I guess? I love flutter, but I code in c# at work. Don't get trapped into the bloated Java ecosystem because it's comfy for you, and make the mistake of choosingg hammer for every job when really a screwdriver would have been a better bet
How “TRUE” is that “screenshot” that the person “professionally invested” into flutter, but they felt like ‘they “MAD” a mistake’
As a developer we should have flexibility. Don't afraid to learn new things.
If you can master one framework, you can likely learn others quite quickly.
Cap, my Job asked me to learn flutter
I’m Nigeria it’s mostly flutter or RN, Native development is dying.
Hello bro
Nigerian too
Is this true, because I'm currently learning flutter
i just finished java course should i go learning android studio and make native apps? or learn flutter. btw there's alot flutter jobs in my country
Where are you from
Weird perspective...
It's not only about the job... It's about what is the easiest and best way to reach your goal (develop a certain app).
I don't think so...Flutter is booming according to me
According to RUclipsrs, flutter dies every month 😂
Every month there is a video of flutter dies, Google killed flutter, react native is better, why you shouldn't learn flutter, why flutter developers are unemployed and so on !!
Ok react boi 😅 roasting angular k gg next, use case is key, the last 20secondes of the video is the only true part, the rest is react evangelism
Bro flutter is greater than react native if you work on flutter you know how awesome is this. Flutter is google technology so think about it. I am flutter developer from last 4 yr with great package. So in indian we have opening for FD in mnc also.
@Bss_short.sstart learning from RUclips... Did you started or not? I'm starting now.
Yes bro guide us
How much is your salary?
I m learning flutter and already created two projects....please help me and give some company names who is hiring flutter developers
I feel flutter like a vogue.
I think the market is rough for both React and Flutter developers. I know React very well but it seems like the market is too saturated, which makes it hard to land a job, so I'm trying to specialize in other technologies to get my foot in the door.
Flet framework good or bad?
All this choice gives me a headache
Me too men
React native is the worst part of react, that doesn't match in the current mobile market. I've used RN, React, but for now I use Flutter and Kotlin for mobile development, and, comparing Flutter to RN, Flutter performs and looks 100 times better
Total spot on!
This only applies for US Markets. Here in German and especially In Switzerland you're better off learning Java + Spring or C# and .NET
Wie schätzt du den Erfolg/Berufschancen bzgl. Mobile- und Web-Development in Sprachen wie React, Flutter oder Angular in Deutschland ein?
Now we have new tech in native languages which will make everything more needed
I bet no one here can list a single reason why React Native instead of Flutter.
Jobs!
@@johnjackson6262 for a short span people won't see the inferiority of JS compared to Dart. But over time when they see every React Native app super slow being compared to the same app same features in Flutter. There won't be react native jobs left at all. Not going too far but bro Flutter is like a game engine which is going to improve more and more and more. React is still struggling breaking 60 fps . No competition at all.
As a dev you have to learn swift / swift ui / kotlin and get ready to learn more
I’m beginning to realize this. currently learning Kotlin as the job market here for swift/SwiftUI is very low
Learn every language it's better then all 😅 mean everything 😅
I built a very good product with flutter now im facing a problem to market my product
How?
I have done web apps and websites for over 20 years. Just finally getting into phone Apps Now. After some research it seemed like everything was pointing to react Native. So I watched a tutorial and went through the setup. Nothing worked. So I tried another tutorial, once again the presenter seemed to get everything installed just fine, but not me. I have spent the better part of 3 days trying every tutorial to get my development environment setup. Some of these tutorials are only 4 months old, and they are already outdated with newer versions and components not liking each other. Nothing looks the same. It also doesn't help that most of them spoken with heavy indian accent, and terrible audio quality. About to give flutter a shot.
@bangzoel7974 I found a Flutter Tutorial by Net Ninja. So far its been awesome.
Much appreciate this information 💯
no need for flutter programmers? Isn't the concept is to MAKE your own demand?
Angular is not better than React?! Them sound like fight words 🤠
I Think you are wrongly interpreting market
@Touch-My-Photo-And-C0py-Number There is lot opportunities in market for Flutter ! Don’t worry !
angular is better than react
If you can build apps and are still "looking" for a job, then my friend... you have bigger problems. I'm a native mobile developer for over 10 years, picked up flutter 2 years ago built 2 of my own apps and now they generate good money monthly. Using flutter I built each of them in less than 2 months, also built the backend myself for all of them with various features like ML and AI. No staff, almost zero cost except marketing cost via Google Ads. All I make is profit.
You don't need to wait for a ground breaking idea these days, everything is saturated, just build something cheaper. If you can build your of Uber app but offer drivers a larger cut and users lower fees, you will succeed at least enough to fund your next thing.
But hey, you could just wait around for a job. Maybe sell cars in the meantime, heck maybe you will be the guy the sells me the Porsche I'm looking for 😊.
I stopped watching and unsubscribed as soon as he said Angular is a bad framework.
Not me.. i dont even click subscribe's button yet
😂
Flutter wildin in india bruh
Learn both native AND cross platform. Then you will be wanted everywhere 😮
Yeap just learn everything. Like seriously .
Tech bro, 😂
React still dominates popularity, but i don’t see that much react native opportunities, more swift and kotlin
Yeah swift/kotlin could be useful to pick up too. Tbh I’d say swift might be more impt. Feel like lots of companies go iOS first
What's nice about Swift is it can also be used for iPadOS and MacOS natively
@@YourAverageTechBroas a beginner what would you choose between kotlin and flutter?
@@imdebukotlin for long term, flutter if you wanna work just as a freelancer
my company uses React Native, why? because if you know React then you know React Native. it's much easier to transition from one to another.
Native development is muuuch more popular than react native or flutter
I was on this post and I didn't imagine that someone would make a video on this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think the last point is of essence here: Don't focus on a framework or programming language - instead, focus on the essentials, architecture, problem-solving, algorithms, base-structures, UI/UX, etc. This will make you a good developer regardless of the framework your are most proficient in at the moment. The trends and syntax will change with time, but your ability to adapt and apply core concepts to any environment will stay with you forever. If you have a good understanding of the fundamentals, you will easily learn any new framework your company/job market requires you to, or that you wish to try out for yourself. :)
First as recruiter you need to convince the company that they need good developers, not a single framework Joes. Learning framework is far faster than learning the programming in general. If you are Flutter dev, just can easily pass react job interview after some crash course
wait what? Flutter is new.
I ve been using Flutter for 5 years now, can't believed that it is still "new" to some.
I have to learn watch development and vision os just to make sure I can get job in future. Flutter isn't new, already close to its end already, there like 50 millions Flutter devs out there
In Brazil Flutter has more job openings than Ruby, Go, Rust, React Native and even PHP
omg 1 article exists now i cant find gob :( imust fucken abandon everything :( iem goibg to learn jebescrep now :( or pie ton :( becom data analytic :( and build linear regression fkin models that wont solve anything ever :(
I received multiple job offers as a Flutter Developer. Yearly salary offers ranged from 42'000€ to 95'000€ based in Germany. Also it's super easy to switch from Flutter/Dart to SwiftUI/Swift or Jetpack Compose/Kotlin
You have to build stuff to get a job, learn something that is low hanging fruit to you and build things. If you can do that then you can handle whatever framework ext the company wants
If you are a Developer you dont need a job. You can create any program, for example a POS solution... Instead of worring you can go to the street and find a direct client... Done 🎉
I am and android developer and I always use compose, I strongly be leave kotlin multiplatform will kill flutter honestly, I might be wrong obviously, it is in a really early stage of development
If someone has experience with Flutter and do not apply other jobs, I would question his understanding of software development.
So you're just saying that Flutter is not popular enough so we shouldn't bother in learning it?
Why does East Asia always show the most frustrating or attempt to spread frustration in programming areas, what is the message or purpose of that, more than an Asian account that does the same thing??
I agree with you in this video. Whilst it's true that you can use any programming language to build anything (mostly), if you are trying to get a job the best thing to do is to look at the job requirements at the company you want to work with and learn that technology first!
Yes you should have transferable knowledge about software development from any framework or tool but generally speaking employers would prefer to hire someone who is proficient in their tech stack and thus will be productive as soon as possible as opposed to having to invest further resources to train the new dev in order to be productive on the team.
Personally, I like flutter quite a bit and think its cool, however if I want a job as an Android developer the best way to get that job, by far, is to learn Kotlin and become proficient with it as that's what the job market demands.
Do you mean that Kotlin (Android development) is in demand? I've learning Flutter for a while and I'm lost and think to change my path to Kotlin, give me your advice please.
@@Mo7ammad_7 It really depends on where you live because some places want more Flutter whereas other places want more Kotlin developers. The advice I would give you is this: look at the job boards for your area and search "android developer", then if you see that the majority of the jobs require Kotlin then I would advise you to spend more time learning Kotlin, if it is the case that you really do want those jobs. However, if you only want a job in Flutter then search for jobs with Flutter and keep on spending more time learning and applying your knowledge of Flutter.
Learning Flutter is a lot easier than Android. I have done both.