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  • This crash sparks one of the biggest transportation investigations in Canadian history - including a judicial inquiry - and since the flight’s data recorders are too damaged to be of any use, investigators rely heavily on eyewitness reports.
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    From Season 9 Episode 6 "Cold Case": March 10th, 1989 - Bound for Winnipeg, Air Ontario Flight 1363 prepares for takeoff after a brief layover in Dryden, a remote Northern airport. Already an hour behind schedule, the pilots fear the heavy snowfall will further delay their departure, and after refueling, they taxi into position and accelerate.
    The jet reaches takeoff speed but struggles to get airborne, and although it clears the trees at the end of the runway, starts shaking violently and less than a minute later crashes into the woods. Emergency crews rush to the site, and although 45 passengers emerge from the wreckage, 24 people die in the disaster.
    Welcome to the OFFICIAL Mayday: Air Disaster RUclips Channel.
    Mayday: Air Disaster is a dramatic non-fiction series that investigates high-profile air disasters to uncover how and why they happened. Mayday: Air Disaster follows survivors, family members of crash victims, and transportation safety investigators as they piece together the evidence of the causes of major accidents. So climb into the cockpit for an experience you won’t soon forget.
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  • @MaydayAirDisaster
    @MaydayAirDisaster  Год назад +38

    What would you like to see more of on the OFFICIAL Mayday: Air Disaster channel?

    • @javianjohnson8746
      @javianjohnson8746 Год назад +2

      YES!

    • @Aviation_Racing
      @Aviation_Racing Год назад +2

      Yes!

    • @Kawasaki680
      @Kawasaki680 Год назад +15

      EPISODES YOU HAVEN’T ALREADY POSTED 5 TIMES.

    • @orionxtc1119
      @orionxtc1119 Год назад +3

      That I can see these videos in Ireland... the videos are geo restricted..

    • @zzydny
      @zzydny Год назад +4

      @@Kawasaki680 And this IS the FIFTH posting of this video. Thought I'd give this channel one more chance but they are just re-posting again. Waste of time.

  • @1rage17
    @1rage17 Год назад +129

    Just because they didn’t want to pay extra for equipment to be flown to Winnipeg, the company basically killed an excellent pilot from pressure to save money and tons of loved family members. Pretty sickening.

    • @PhycoKrusk
      @PhycoKrusk Год назад +19

      Flying the equipment out from Winnipeg wasn't just a matter of the cost of doing that. It would have added an easy two to three hours to the existing flight time for the flight, and at that point would have begun to impact other flights as well.
      That said, given the route that it was on, that plane should never have been allowed to leave without a functioning APU

    • @4thamendment237
      @4thamendment237 Год назад +4

      Well, THEY and their loved ones weren't on the plane. Would have been a different story then. It's easy to put other people in hazardous and potentially lethal situations. Especially if you don't even know them. You do know their dollars, though -- THAT'S what's important. Pffft.

    • @Gary-pe4ce
      @Gary-pe4ce Год назад +7

      That didn't even matter, because in the end they would still have to de-ice. Because of the delay from the stuggling Cessena, Ice would have formed yet again. With the constant delays they would have ended up skipping the idea of de-icing again because they would have to shut the airplane down again, de-ice, and use the equipment.

    • @kimberlywentworth9160
      @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад +6

      @@Gary-pe4ce Just flat out cancel the flight and fire me.

    • @DR-kl3mn
      @DR-kl3mn Год назад +1

      No the poor design of the de-icing system killed them. Yes the airline was wrong and doing what they typically do, but even if the plane had been de-iced they would have crashed anyway.

  • @MrDlt123
    @MrDlt123 Год назад +192

    If you watch enough of these, you can see a relentless pattern of pilots having to choose between the safety of their passengers, and the company's bottom line. That will continue indefinitely until corporate executives are made accountable for accidents that result from their policies.

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 Год назад +18

      You are spot on. Gotta stay on schedule beyond everything.
      Instead they now have to write off an entire air frame and needless deaths of passengers and employees.
      Was it worth it?

    • @ruggedearthsports8035
      @ruggedearthsports8035 Год назад +5

      Respectfully, I think you are forgetting about the pressures from passengers who want to arrive on time, as well as their pressure to keep operating costs and fares low. Also pressure from shareholders. Many people like you focus on blaming corporate executives because that is easy to do, and does not require you to take responsibility. It takes a thinking person to consider all the many human factors that come into play.

    • @kathleenking47
      @kathleenking47 Год назад

      Also, so many got covid shot
      It may have held up SOUTHWEST AIRLINES ?
      imagine if both pilots passed out

    • @MrDlt123
      @MrDlt123 Год назад

      @ruggedearthsports8035 p

    • @grandpa5508
      @grandpa5508 Год назад

      The fokker 28 was known as unsafe. The African country Mauritania had bought some f28 and they crashed killing lots of folks

  • @XxsoonerbornxX
    @XxsoonerbornxX Год назад +105

    AND of course they slyly try to lay all the blame on the "old" and "angry" pilot. It's 100% on the airline. Period. Why are the people making these terrible decisions not charged with manslaughter for every death?

    • @motojunkie8348
      @motojunkie8348 Год назад

      Because they're rich Zionist and we're just gentile cattle.

    • @thekingsilverado3266
      @thekingsilverado3266 Год назад +4

      You make a good point. The airport does not have what they should have on hand but its somehow the old angry pilot. Good point about the hypocrites in charge.

    • @Debilitator47
      @Debilitator47 Год назад +7

      Capitalism. Profit is more important than lives.

    • @thekingsilverado3266
      @thekingsilverado3266 Год назад

      @@Debilitator47 That depends on the lives U R talking about. Take your meds okay

    • @Debilitator47
      @Debilitator47 Год назад

      @@thekingsilverado3266 Take yours. Capitalist fuckers will say 'we COULD put safety equipment at every airport but what about my third yacht?'. The more of these stories you see, the more you should start thinking, 'Maybe we should not prioritize profits as much, safety should always be more important'.

  • @semiprofessional8470
    @semiprofessional8470 Год назад +68

    Happy Holidays my fellow aci binge watchers!

  • @hagbard72
    @hagbard72 Год назад +98

    I was the reporter at the Dryden Observer at the time that gathered information about the crash the same day it happened. Provided my info to our paper, and papers like the NYTs and other large publications throughout the world. My info turned out the be accurate to the story the investigators found. Ended up leaving the paper a week later as I received zero credit for my research or stories. Left newspaper reporting shortly after.

    • @MrBsbotto
      @MrBsbotto Год назад +15

      I hear you, Robert! Smaller town newspaper reporting is a thankless task with dismal renumeration.
      Other than that, it was enjoyable!
      Congrats on turning out a story that stood up to the investigation; life's too short to work for a company that doesn't value you.
      All the best.

    • @Awest101784
      @Awest101784 Год назад +5

      Sure you did….

    • @jadesluv
      @jadesluv Год назад +3

      @@Awest101784 sure you did what? Incomplete statement, sounds accusatory.

    • @brianarbenz1329
      @brianarbenz1329 Год назад +4

      @Robert Drake - I’ve been there. I was a reporter at a U.S. paper in a town the same size as Dryden. As for not getting credit, that’s the news business.

    • @mariak4045
      @mariak4045 Год назад +1

      @@jadesluv he left the newspaper he worked ,because probably they didn’t recon his meticulous work

  • @helookalikaman79
    @helookalikaman79 Год назад +25

    On the runway there should be a "curtain" of de- icer fluid pouring down like a car wash... no choice, you go through it or dont take off...

    • @daviddavis3389
      @daviddavis3389 Год назад +3

      That's like Super Hilarious! (LOL), that's a joke for Dave Chappelle..

    • @jordanbrige8848
      @jordanbrige8848 Год назад +1

      Did you even watch the video?

    • @robertpalin2161
      @robertpalin2161 2 месяца назад

      That would be incredibly expensive

  • @davidpantoja676
    @davidpantoja676 Год назад +43

    First thing I thought of no de-icing while refueling in the recreation. These recreations give a lot of insight into the industry and why companies should be monitored closely as this shows money over people.

    • @slagarcrue85
      @slagarcrue85 Год назад +1

      Totally true

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 Год назад +2

      We have the same sort of trouble with these small regional carriers down in the states. Our FAA seems to have a culture of "helping" all their carriers to survive as if they're investors looking for a dividend rather than a regulatory agency, sometimes.

    • @delanorrosey4730
      @delanorrosey4730 Год назад

      Second being Engine 1 not being as thawed as Engine 2. I bet Engine 1 had chunks of ice get dislodged as it thawed, jamming the engine output.

  • @jaywires717
    @jaywires717 Год назад +13

    The actress playing the flight attendant sure is beautiful.

  • @arthurgearheard4701
    @arthurgearheard4701 Год назад +28

    If it's snowing so much, just cancel the Flight! Remember what happened to that Air Florida Flight in ' 83 at Washington Reagan National!

    • @FRODOGOOFBALL
      @FRODOGOOFBALL Год назад +3

      Or Continental flight 1713 on November 15, 1987

    • @xneapolisx
      @xneapolisx Год назад +2

      I totally agree. The commercial airlines pay too much attention to the bottom line and will fly in almost any adverse weather condition!!

    • @skopjemk
      @skopjemk Год назад

      they had vacations planned

    • @1rage17
      @1rage17 Год назад

      Yeah but it’s also not that simple .. greedy shits for sure

    • @CW-rx2js
      @CW-rx2js Год назад

      It snows even more in Canada than the US! Florida is not even a remote comparison. Should've just cancelled.

  • @michaelpcooksey5096
    @michaelpcooksey5096 Год назад +14

    Message for passengers: If its snow and sleet conditions ... cancel your flight. Lose $$$ ok ... how much is your life worth to you, your family, etc??

  • @arianebolt1575
    @arianebolt1575 Год назад +4

    They shouldn't have been flying a plane in that condition. Shame on the company.

  • @Spills51
    @Spills51 Год назад +12

    0:46
    BIG FU>>>White snow flakes"
    Could of swore she used the colorful F word lol
    Im listeniing and was like "Damn, this girl goes hard!" lol

    • @jp.1543
      @jp.1543 Год назад +3

      LMAO! I thought the same thing. I had to stop the video and rewind it 10 seconds a couple times just to make certain my ears were deceiving me! 😂

    • @Brian-kl1zu
      @Brian-kl1zu Год назад +3

      The first time; I heard "big f'ing snow flakes." Say what?? Second time; "big f'ing--or; maybe "fluffy" snowflakes. Fluffy makes more sense in the context of large snowflakes. Still....My ears heard the f bomb. Still....I highly doubt that the producers would let the f bomb fly. No pun intended.

    • @safeinmyheart1
      @safeinmyheart1 Год назад +1

      😂

  • @peanutgallery4159
    @peanutgallery4159 Год назад +12

    I get irritated when i can't turn my car off because it won't restart, i can't imagine how these pilots felt..

  • @nelitasciretta7101
    @nelitasciretta7101 Год назад +10

    My sympathy lies with the pilots, crew, and passengers. The pilots were put in a no win situation and I have absolutely no support or sympathy for the company.

  • @coryanntopanga
    @coryanntopanga Год назад +9

    "Another delay could jeopardize the vacation plans of many of the 69 passengers and crew... "
    You know what else could jeopardize your vacation plans? Dead. That'll put the kabosh on your ski plans, that'll do it. Nature is to be respected at all times and I'd rather be delayed than unalive.

  • @ann7318
    @ann7318 Год назад +27

    When you force someone to choose between their career/job over the safety of people, tragedies will happen, and people will die. How about holding the CEOs and bean counters responsible?

    • @kimberlywentworth9160
      @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад +1

      Agree. They put to much pressure on the pilot that he could not think clearly. Terrible cheap airline.

  • @kari34b54
    @kari34b54 Год назад +19

    And this is why delays and cancellations can save your life. When there is a blizzard, do not fly in it. I had a very bumpy flight out of Dulles International in December (years ago) as we flew up and out of a blizzard. They had to de-ice the plane 3 times (that I witnessed), and we were one of the last flights ✈️ out before they closed the airport. We got out due to our pilots bouncing us down a snow covered runway, followed by a very steep vertical ascent out of the storm. Like a roller coaster. 😂

    • @brbrknndy
      @brbrknndy Год назад +3

      I had a flight into Dallas where the plane bounced on the runway three times before it stayed on the runway. The pilot had to put the thrusters at full throttle to keep it down the third time. It was extremely windy that day.

  • @Kastev30
    @Kastev30 Год назад +28

    Man that thing about the APU hit hard for me. I used to work at PDX International as a ramp agent mainly for Continental Airlines and sometimes Delta, and one of our responsibilities, among escorting the plane to the taxiway (which was some of the most fun I've ever had in a job), was to disconnect the APU before flight (we also had to load/unload the planes of cargo & help the cleaning crew in cleaning the airplanes interior, and oh man I have some absolute horror stories from that). I still remember my first week, I made the mistake of giving the disconnect signal to the co-pilot, which is asking him if he wants me to disconnect the APU, well before they had even began boarding and the guy was notably annoyed at me when he gave me the "no" signal. I was a lot more careful after that!
    That was such a fun job, and even though I only worked there for 6 months due to health issues, I got to witness multiple emergency landings, including one where the plane had lost all power, & even saw a plane catch fire several terminals away from where I worked. Thankfully no-one was injured or died in any of these events. Also, we were literally right next to the military airbase at PDX and got to see fully armed F-18's with Sidewinders and AIM-120's taking off from incredibly close distances on a near daily basis. I still remember being close enough to one of their takeoffs when they went full afterburner, pulling up into like a 70 degree climb, and our transport van that was taking us to our terminal that was a good distance away, still shook from the power of that takeoff, and the sound was absolutely DEFEANING. And another time I got to see these two strangely colored fighter jets land at the airport that had brown and green camouflage. I never could 100% identify them, but I could have sworn that they were Russian Su-27 jets! Now if that was the case, they obviously weren't flown by Russia and my guess is that they could have been used by our airbase as training tools in mock dogfights. I got to take a picture of them too, but that was with an incredibly shitty cellphone camera from 2008, and as such is like 640x480 and pretty iffy quality wise.

    • @rsmith-cqcq73
      @rsmith-cqcq73 Год назад +2

      My Dad worked the same job in the late 60's, early 70's. the Guard jets back then were F-4 Phantoms. Funny, they didn't "smoke" as bad taking off in After-burner mode😉

    • @Kastev30
      @Kastev30 Год назад +4

      @@rsmith-cqcq73 I mean, the F-18 had no smoke at all! It was incredible just how powerful that thing was. I had seen F-15's and F-16's before up close at air shows as a kid, but at PDX that had been my first time seeing an F-18 so close. My only other experience was when I was driving on US Route 50, and I was the only car around when suddenly I hear a roar and see an F-16 fly over me at like 100 feet! I was in awe just wondering what he was doing, but after the second and third time I figured out that I was being used as virtual target practice! The guy would come from behind me, swoop out of the sky, fly over me and then pull hard a hard vertical near straight up, though he didn't have the afterburners going; probably didn't want to fry my car with how close he was lol. Now THAT was an awesome experience. I had tried to catch it on film, but there was like a 10 minute wait time inbetween strafing runs and each time I would put the camera down and miss the F-16 flying over me...

    • @rsmith-cqcq73
      @rsmith-cqcq73 Год назад

      @@Kastev30 The 1st generation Phantoms did not burn fuel completely thus were easy to track, visually. I made the comment to guess your age. But your Route 50 experience disturbs me. Unless you were in NV when this happened, It was not common practice to "buzz" vehicles.

    • @Kastev30
      @Kastev30 Год назад +1

      @@rsmith-cqcq73 Yeah I'm 33, so definitely was not in the F-4 era. Still love the Phantom though, such a, in my eye, beautiful aircraft.
      And yeah, the route 50 thing was in Nevada. Fallon AFB was pretty close to where we were at the time of the encounter. There were NO other cars that day and I could see the F-16 incredibly clearly when it pulled up. It didn't have any armament on it aside from two Sidewinders on the wings so I figured it was practicing gun runs after the second time. I mean he certainly put on a show for me and my mom while we were driving! He would wait a bit before pulling up and was doing some aileron rolls after passing above. He was clearly showing off and having a fun time.

    • @rsmith-cqcq73
      @rsmith-cqcq73 Год назад +1

      @@Kastev30 NAS Fallon explains it all.

  • @AlvaSudden
    @AlvaSudden Год назад +3

    Without the ability to de-ice, and without the ability to restart the plane, the plane should have been grounded. I'll keep my eyes open before boarding when weather issues present themselves.

  • @mickcollins1921
    @mickcollins1921 Год назад +2

    "We've learned all the lessons."
    Famous last words.

  • @osiris_blanche
    @osiris_blanche Год назад +3

    This is why I don't fuss when my flight is cancelled or delayed. Sit down & Shut-up. There is a VERY GOOD REASON why your flight is DELAYED or CANCELLED. :P

  • @dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653
    @dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 Год назад +6

    Lots of blame in many directions. Just don’t fly in snow at all.

  • @maxinefreeman8858
    @maxinefreeman8858 Год назад +14

    I remember when the crash happened in Washington DC. I said then that I'd never get on or make them let me get off a plane in that weather.

  • @kimberlywentworth9160
    @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад +6

    80 percent of the time, management is responsible for quality and safety.

  • @crazy4beatles
    @crazy4beatles Год назад +3

    Seeing these videos it galls me even more when passengers complain about weather delays. The airlines already cut corners enough as it is, to want them to cut even more.

  • @MrsClassicTopoftheWorldAmerica
    @MrsClassicTopoftheWorldAmerica Год назад +11

    Happy Holidays to you all

  • @eTraxx
    @eTraxx Год назад +9

    "When we started to hit the trees I knew something was wrong ..."

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 Год назад +3

      Note to self: Stay out of Canadian skies between Sept 1 and June 30!

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki Год назад

      "Weren't we supposed to go up?"

  • @Shardinian
    @Shardinian Год назад +10

    Geez. I fly out of Pearson regularly, and in the middle of winter to boot. From now on, every time I park my car there and hike through snow and slush to get to the terminal, I'll be thinking of Dryden - and how it might've saved my life.

    • @CW-rx2js
      @CW-rx2js Год назад +1

      It's not as bad in the winter in the GTA...trust me. The GTA has it good compared to northern Ontario and other provinces.

    • @ktown8139
      @ktown8139 Год назад +1

      @Sharrdinian + There is NO COMPARISON between the Winters in Northwestern Ontario and Toronto. We have periods of 3+ weeks in a row, where the temps are approximately-40*C and the snow banks are often over 6 feet tall. Toronto winters are more like wet, sloppy winter-wonderlands.

  • @testtest-lc4xz
    @testtest-lc4xz Год назад +2

    The actress playing flight attendant Hartwick is absolutely beguiling.

  • @hellafashik549
    @hellafashik549 Год назад +7

    THEY NEVER SHOU'LD HAVE TAKING OFF, ON A BAD WEATHER LIKE IT WAS .

  • @LokiDWolf
    @LokiDWolf Год назад +6

    I don't get how, after these thorough investigations, that people aren't arrested. I'm sure the lawsuits are commonplace. But, there are people that seemingly just didn't care enough to do their jobs. I guess in court it intent is too hard to prove. But, make laws then that will go after everyone. Not just the pilot! This was so frustrating to see!

  • @yrunaked4
    @yrunaked4 Год назад +3

    I had to play that back again @0:45 sure sounded like she said something else 🤣🤣

    • @ColonelKlink100
      @ColonelKlink100 Год назад +1

      Yeah, at first it sounded like she said "Big "f*ckin white snowflakes" which is probably a technical term, right? 🤔

    • @yrunaked4
      @yrunaked4 Год назад +2

      @@ColonelKlink100 definitely the funnier term

    • @stevenmillikin558
      @stevenmillikin558 Год назад +2

      Yeah, I thought she might have said something else too!

  • @Reneelwaring
    @Reneelwaring Год назад +15

    45:37 I'm wondering if the combined weight of the flight AND the ice on the wings could have kept it from lifting off.

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 Год назад +2

      if you're close? maybe. A fist sized chunk of ice doesn't weight that much... but how much covers the top side of a plane? 1/8th inch thickness doesn't sound like much... but that's a lot of surface area. also 1/8th is a low-ball estimate.

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 Год назад

      @@marhawkman303 Ontario snow is generally heavy in water content, so the ice will often be a real thick glare variety.

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 Год назад

      @@billolsen4360 so how thick would you guess the plane's covering of precipitation got?

    • @stuguy2
      @stuguy2 Год назад

      Wow you just plane dumb!

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 Год назад +1

      @@marhawkman303 Hard to say. I understand that 1/8 of an inch or .3 dm can be deadly.

  • @kimberlywentworth9160
    @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад +3

    Iced up aircraft was my first thought. Why did they not de-ice it before taking off.

  • @NVFlyer
    @NVFlyer Год назад +8

    What was a Cessna 150 doing out in those conditions?

    • @backandforthupanddow
      @backandforthupanddow Год назад

      At first I thought I heard that wrong, was wondering the same thing.

    • @stuguy2
      @stuguy2 Год назад

      what ever the F he wanted. why question the Cessna. wind conditions and vis was fine but, shutting down as the Air Ontario was trying to depart.

    • @kimberlywentworth9160
      @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад

      IT was a Cessna 172, Yes wandering that also. Maybe it had to divert due to the bad weather and landed at this airport. The pilot of that plane should of done a better job with his weather planning.

    • @backandforthupanddow
      @backandforthupanddow Год назад

      @@stuguy2 clearly you're not a pilot

    • @stuguy2
      @stuguy2 Год назад

      @@backandforthupanddow clearly...transparent...assuming your assuming?

  • @carmelaszymanski8104
    @carmelaszymanski8104 Год назад +8

    I don't know how the actors and actresses could recreate these episodes...
    I couldn't myself out of real fear

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 Год назад +1

      They just use a mock-up plane interior & their filming skills

  • @sarahbarnes1633
    @sarahbarnes1633 Год назад +12

    Poor pilot was in a no win situation.

  • @bobvadney7240
    @bobvadney7240 Год назад +2

    I mean God forbid they have to cancell the flight...under such adverse.....conditions....

  • @Footy_Fan
    @Footy_Fan Год назад +1

    I have seen every episode of this show more than once, and Investigator Rohrer is one of my favorite investigators out of all of them.

  • @rampar77
    @rampar77 Год назад +3

    This told me that Fokker 28 had design fault not be able to deice whole wing. Air Ontario should have cancelled the flight without APU. Why would Dryden airport operate without auxiliary APU?
    Flying remained dangerous due to uncontrolled weather condition and other human factors.

    • @grand_designer
      @grand_designer 5 месяцев назад

      Aircraft can takeoff with the APU inop

  • @philipberthiaume2314
    @philipberthiaume2314 Год назад +10

    Culture of safety... something that is now missing at Boeing since McDonnell Douglas took them over and has tragically led over time to what may be their own corporate demise.

    • @kimberlywentworth9160
      @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад +2

      Agree. Greedy management. Management is responsible for 80 percent of the quality and safety problems. Safety falls under quality.

  • @dblacknall1270
    @dblacknall1270 Год назад +2

    That's why if it's a delay I have patience now

  • @vm6824
    @vm6824 Год назад +3

    I do everything in my power to avoid having to fly in winter!!!

  • @michaelleonard4826
    @michaelleonard4826 Год назад +3

    You can't sit on a tarmac/ holding for over an hour without de- icing when temperatures can affect sensors.

  • @sagittarianking1398
    @sagittarianking1398 Год назад +2

    Very Informative Shows*

  • @phillipstroll7385
    @phillipstroll7385 Год назад +2

    If you know this plane can't fly in cold climates then by God why would they even be flown into cold climates.

  • @AlexLopez-rx8lw
    @AlexLopez-rx8lw Год назад +2

    The Fokker F-28 was the first regional jet to enter revenue service for airlines. Like any other prototype, had issues..major one was any accumulation of snow on the wings would result in what's shown here. These pilots being new to this aircraft had no idea.

  • @ktown8139
    @ktown8139 Год назад +1

    This accident occurred over March Break while I was in High School. Dryden is not a ‘Remote Northern Community.’ It’s only about 2 hours from the Canadian-American Border. All people who grew/grow up in North America are fully aware of the large numbers of people travelling over the March Break Holiday every year. Growing up in Thunder Bay (and still today, 34 Years Later), there are NO DIRECT FLIGHTS from Thunder Bay, ON, to many places West. Then, there was no direct flight to Winnipeg and even after 35 years, there is still no direct flight from Thunder Bay, to Vancouver, BC, despite the fact that Thunder Bay is the largest City between Winnipeg and Sudbury - a distance of 1 580km !!! In my high school of 1100 students (1 of 8 high schools in Thunder Bay) we lost 4 students and their parents in that crash and more were lost from other locations around the city. This crash was highly traumatic for us and one of my friends lost his best friend of 12 years, his sister, and their parents, who he called his ‘2nd Mom & Dad.’ This loss has affected my friend for the rest of his life and completely changed his personality, his ability to get close to other people, etc. Every time we hear about an event where numerous people are killed, many of us do not realise the tremendous impact that even 1 death can have on an entire community. I still remember where I was and what song was playing on the radio when I first learned of the Dryden Air Crash (Ironically, the song was, ‘The End of the Innocence,’ by Don Henley).

  • @SomeConch357
    @SomeConch357 Год назад +2

    ya know I have always wondered why they dont ad scales to the landing gear of a plane to make sure its never overweight? like it just seems like a small thing to add as a safty measures to help automate it all?

  • @billolsen4360
    @billolsen4360 Год назад +3

    An airline without a safety culture...just lovely.

  • @Agislife1960
    @Agislife1960 Год назад +7

    Flight attendants are so underrated, they are trained professionals just like the pilots.

    • @DBEdwards
      @DBEdwards Год назад +2

      ABSOLUTELY. GOD BLESS THEM ONE AND ALL

  • @petec6611
    @petec6611 Год назад +5

    After Air Florida Flight 90, wasn't it decided that deicing stuff had to be moved to the front so no one had to get out of the departure line to de-ice?

  • @nigalreinbachs7130
    @nigalreinbachs7130 Год назад +8

    That plane should have never left the Airport! No common sense at all when weather is this bad news flash, cancel the flight.

    • @daylehudson6810
      @daylehudson6810 Год назад +2

      They could report conditions to passengers and give them a choice to stay or get off

  • @valeriemassey5290
    @valeriemassey5290 Год назад +4

    The pilot and the flight were screwed from the get-go.

  • @sagittarianking1398
    @sagittarianking1398 Год назад +2

    YES--- keep it going

  • @byronjaffe518
    @byronjaffe518 Год назад +1

    Very poor technical mistake. At 6:22 - they said the plane reached rotation speed of 80kts. I flew the F-28. The rotation speed was more like 125ktz

  • @theashpilez
    @theashpilez Год назад +1

    Moral of the story? Do not fly planes susceptable to wing icing issues in snow storms and below freezing environments.... duh....

  • @leahfrantz2324
    @leahfrantz2324 Год назад +2

    Honestly the fluid should be applied whenever a plane is taking off in a snow and ice climate when the weather is bad no matter what just as a preventative

  • @stephaniek1076
    @stephaniek1076 Год назад +2

    Sounds like some BS assumptions and blame-shifting to a pilot who is no longer alive to defend himself, after the airlines had already put him into a difficult and complex situation---and then pressured him to boot! Saying, "He must have concluded...and then made a mistake." Say what?! Sounds pretty lame to me...and avoidant of the airline, not wanting to take responsibility for the safety and equipment measures, and CERTAINLY not wanting to incur any liability for the deaths and injuries in the crash. Easier and more expeditious to blame the pilot (think $$ outlay as well as lessening airline's profits). In their investigation, I'd also think they could somehow uncover the nature and content of that phone call he made. He was probably attempting to rectify the negative aspects of the several spinning plates he'd been given! They left him holding the ball in a dreadful situation, and then blamed him, imo. They said he had a record as being very professional and ethical.

  • @hughhaefner3317
    @hughhaefner3317 Год назад +1

    Just love watching these crash documentaries a few days before I fly off somewhere. Why do I do that???

  • @michaelleonard4826
    @michaelleonard4826 Год назад +2

    You gotta be kidding me, these geniuses determined that any changes in the aircraft would cause it to behave differently, wow Nascar might be able to help these engineers out.

  • @moonman239
    @moonman239 Год назад +3

    Let's see:
    1) Make a few people late, fly a working plane from somewhere else, OR
    2) Put everyone on board at risk of death.
    Decisions, decisions....

  • @bigchevy350boy
    @bigchevy350boy Год назад +1

    Such a sad story. I live in Maine 🇺🇸 & would have never guessed ice would to that to a plane ✈

  • @IraRabinowitz
    @IraRabinowitz Год назад +2

    You can't have then engines running while deicing because the chemicals can get into the AC. Could he have left the right engine running and deice the left wing then start the left engine, turn off the right engine and then deice the right side? Do the deicing in 2 parts to keep the chemicals from getting into the AC.

  • @xonx209
    @xonx209 Год назад +7

    It should be possible to put sensors on wings to detect the amount of lift the wings are generating. This would unmistakably detect wings that are not generating lift and issue an alarm.

    • @stuguy2
      @stuguy2 Год назад

      it's called an angle of attack sensor. AOA or AOA indicator. But that only works when the plane is already flying. Wow , um the other thing that has been around for many years is a stall horn warning system much more basic. It's found on most GA aircraft. The only thing that would have saved this crew was to get outside and inspect the wing ...period ...end of story.

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki Год назад

      Not much you can do when you hear that alarm, though. You already know you're not flying.

    • @kimberlywentworth9160
      @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад

      The plane can not generate lift so you have already exceeded your angle of attack. The airfoils (wings) were not generating lift. Your plane will not fly and is in a stalled condition. There need to be some sort of inspection procedure for the pilot do do to make sure the plane is properly de-iced. I would not just trust the de-icing truck. As far as the APU not working and no AUX power unit to start the engines, then I guess the flight is cancelled. Penny wise and pound foolish for not fixing the APU. Cheap cheap cheap. And you know, it keeps repeating itself. Look at the Boeing 737 Max. The true bottom line Root cause was Management being cheap. Computer not being programmed properly, missing, lack of redundant Angle of Attack Sensors, Lack of testing and validation, Lack of procedures for pilots. Management hiding and playing games. We do not learn from history. It just keeps going around and around. Just like it happened on the second aircraft that crashed into the water.

  • @MrHastygamer
    @MrHastygamer 6 месяцев назад +1

    I think the 'other hands on the the throttle' is very poinient - important to remember too is that the metophorical 'other hands' of the higher ups were not risking their lives when they pushed pilots to fly in sub optimal or dangerous conditions.

  • @mikesanders4012
    @mikesanders4012 Год назад +2

    Wings & tail should be covered with plastic sheeting while waiting, removing all ice before taxiing out, no delays

  • @Dball10-4
    @Dball10-4 Год назад +2

    If he really wanted to go, he should’ve de-iced the plane, and been in communication with the guy not to get the fluid in the engines. If a little does get in the engines, that white fog that comes in the cabin is not dangerous at all.

  • @marciam6224
    @marciam6224 Год назад +1

    I've said it numerous times, THIS IS WHY WON'T FLY!!! The airlines care more about their bottom line than the lives of the passengers & crews who are the reason they have a bottom line!!! If you wouldn't put your parents, spouse or kids on one of these flights, then don't put someone else's family on one!!

  • @JPF941
    @JPF941 Год назад +1

    famous last words, "we've learned all the lessons." Um no, someday that statement will be proven presumptive. There is always more to learn.

  • @Casey28027
    @Casey28027 Год назад +5

    I wish the commentator would learn how to pronounce schedule.

  • @Wonderwhoopin
    @Wonderwhoopin Год назад +6

    I would have done the same thing and took off. So would almost every single pilot in their shoes with that data

    • @TheSjuris
      @TheSjuris Год назад +3

      And would have landed the exact same place

  • @prometheusunbound7628
    @prometheusunbound7628 Год назад +5

    Just watched this two days ago under yet another title. Noting like repost after repost, is there?

  • @ratherbeflying101
    @ratherbeflying101 Год назад +3

    1 hour delay, no de ice, duhhhhh.

    • @hagbard72
      @hagbard72 Год назад +1

      Was tons of wet snow that day. Surprised the plane wasn't buried.

  • @hesschambers
    @hesschambers 8 месяцев назад

    I like watching the series with the other narrator. He has a more calming voice. How do I find those videos?

  • @joefillicetti1165
    @joefillicetti1165 Год назад +2

    Is it me or is being late more important than being dead??

  • @CW-rx2js
    @CW-rx2js Год назад +1

    For the first time, I am seeing the FDR and CVR damaged in an accident.that fire was really hot and long, just like they described.

  • @memes4themasses365
    @memes4themasses365 Год назад

    The editing in these videos always make me laugh

  • @danabro6311
    @danabro6311 Год назад +1

    Reminds me of Air Florida, flight 90 crash into the Patomac River

  • @sabetibrahim860
    @sabetibrahim860 Год назад +2

    In this case the company was the true killer.

  • @TheNuckinFoob
    @TheNuckinFoob Год назад +16

    Only in Canada is a person wanted for fraud considered "violent." 😂

    • @DavidCiani
      @DavidCiani Год назад +2

      might have been related to something else in his criminal history.

    • @catreecemacleod7556
      @catreecemacleod7556 Год назад +1

      Yes, but you see, he didn't actually say sorry.

  • @saltamonte777
    @saltamonte777 Месяц назад

    Heavy snow and no de-icing. Just genius.

  • @michaelleonard4826
    @michaelleonard4826 Год назад +2

    Air lines are just reluctant to invest in space safety travel because it's currently to expensive and not profitable.

  • @htos1av
    @htos1av Год назад +1

    Hmmm. I just wouldn't use that airframe in those conditions. I dunno, the smaller jets/turboprops seem highly prone to ice. And then >30 minute waits?

  • @michaelleonard4826
    @michaelleonard4826 Год назад +1

    I drive a semi truck fully loaded at 40 tons. If you fail to follow procedure and safety instructions you will regret it.

  • @brianarbenz1329
    @brianarbenz1329 Год назад +2

    In the first 5 minutes, snow, poor visibility, a violent prisoner onboard - I’m seeing this not ending well. Am I right? Back to the RUclips….

    • @brianarbenz1329
      @brianarbenz1329 Год назад +1

      Now I see. Very thorough and insightful findings.

  • @mirycreek
    @mirycreek Год назад +2

    Now with triple the ads🤗

  • @kimberlywentworth9160
    @kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад +1

    You can just fire me. I am not taking off in this airplane unless I get it de-iced just before take-off. I will walk.

  • @jasewl3741
    @jasewl3741 Год назад +1

    Thanks for not showing the crash in the beginning that makes no sense lol great video!

  • @jarednoland274
    @jarednoland274 Год назад

    There's an unreal amount of commercial.

  • @leeneufeld4140
    @leeneufeld4140 Год назад +1

    Remote northern community? Dryden is right on the trans-Canada highway.

  • @adotintheshark4848
    @adotintheshark4848 Год назад +1

    This is not the first time one of those Fokkers has crashed.

  • @HansDunkelberg1
    @HansDunkelberg1 Год назад +1

    Misfortunes never come singly! You should keep this in mind when you notice that problems begin to occur. If another machine cannot fly so that you have to take over its passengers, this will have its reasons. These reasons can easily be connected with an unusually unpredictable weather. So you should become especially wary concerning your own flight likewise - especially when you are already affected by the failure of the other. It's just a natural way of problems to accumulate, like when a ball of snow rolls down a hill and gets bigger. It isn't a shame if you fail to deliver your passengers to a destination, under such circumstances. You cannot mess with the weather!
    What I find plausible is that giving in to cold weather was perceived as unpatriotic, in and around Canada. Masculine individuals will have longed for a prestige of being able to cope with such a danger naturally. This will have to be understood as another, as a psychological manner of misfortunes accumulating, intimately connected with the meteorological one.

  • @RhondaHarris-c6q
    @RhondaHarris-c6q Год назад +1

    He was in a no win situation 😊

  • @JUVI9596
    @JUVI9596 11 месяцев назад

    I half expected the prisoner to go running off and go looking for the one armed man

  • @bobvadney7240
    @bobvadney7240 Год назад +3

    Way toooo many things going wrong for a takeoff in such...horrible weather....oh & God forbid the Air Line would have to find hotels for these folks...I'm convinced that safety...is sacrificed...for the bottom line....more then we dare think..

  • @bobvadney7240
    @bobvadney7240 Год назад +1

    @35:39....if they were trying to "....save the air plane right to the...end...."... they never shoulda...attempted a take off....I have a question....??? What he hell,s in Cleveland that can't wait another....day?????

  • @vickichavez9956
    @vickichavez9956 Год назад +1

    Glad the airline fixed the problem

  • @gregentclemory9285
    @gregentclemory9285 Год назад +2

    Anyone else not hear "big fluffy snowflakes"?