@@oldballatgaming now they don't the average Suburban transaction price is $74000 that's not $80000 and that's a lot of LT's selling for 60 K to bring that average down. 5%? That doesn't even cover inflation.
don't forget the 10 speed which is meant to be replacing the 8sp is a complete pile of junk too with numerous problems. the 5.3L with cylinder deactivation liking to explode the 4cyl being underwhelming at best with horrible real world economy Interiors being cheap and junk for the price they're asking and last but certainly not least Chevys numerous electrical problems across their entire line up before anyone cries to me this isn't saying Ford & Dodge are problem free they have a ton of problems to hence the issues they're having with truck sales as well.
@@Quicksilver314 and despite all that GM is doing well. The inflated vehicle cost should be put to bed. Prices have been consistent for the past two decades.
The economy is finally catching up to ALL the manufacturers. Mid level trim should be in the mid $45k to $50k while top of the line shouldn't be over $65k to $70k. SUV & trucks. These inflated prices are ridiculous. It's also not helping when quality is still garbage.
@@angelgjr1999 I was accounting for inflation. I don't think it's realistic to have pickups priced for what you could get them for 15 to 20 years ago. Cost have gone up for the manufacturers as well... labor & materials. But a mid-level trim should not be high $50's to mid $60's. That's insane and just greed at that point.
That's because GM did typical GM when it came to the Blazer. Customers wanted a Silverado based Blazer like the K10 Blazer of old and GM gave them another cross-over vehicle that's only ever going to see gravel driveways.
@Slane583 You're sure right about that being a typical Gm move, bringing a Full-size, modern version of the K-10 Blazer of old, would've given the Bronco a "run for its money", but Gm is afraid to take chances, so we're stuck with this mundane vehicle that looks like a toy...
Lower sales, higher profit. They may sell 30% less than before, but they make 300% more profit per truck. Still record profits every year, so those prices are here to stay. May finally be the end of America’s love of pick-ups as they turn into a status symbol for the wealthy instead like SUV’s used to be.
@@rackemmm1947I’m one of them. I looked all over for a base model half ton with at least a 6’ bed but didn’t want any cylinder deactivation or start stop etc. so I found a work truck model crew cab 2500 4wd that actually has plenty of option for 50k. There is a small gas mileage hit and a bit rougher ride but I’ve been really happy with it for over two years now
Is no factoring inflation? $75000 in 2024 = $50000 in 2015. With that in mind 1500s don’t make sense the real deal would be to just get a 2500/3500 for a few thousand more
@chadmiller6487 Same. I actually like the way my truck drives with the DFM active. Sitting at 60k with no issues but I also change and monitor oil level to make sure the system stays clean.
Correct. People forget the Chevy Suburban of now is not like the Suburban of old when it was first produced. The original Suburban was made to haul around work crews, gear and cargo. Like with everything it has slowly evolved into a people hauler over the years. People these days expect their vehicles to do everything and complain when they don't. If you want to tow more than 8400lbs then get a truck. The Tahoe and Suburban are good for hauling family, friends and a trailer loaded with ATV's or dirt bikes.
@@Frank-xt3of Agreed. Aside from people who haul their children around with it I also see a mother and father with a few kids using it to haul their four wheelers or dirt bikes to a trail when doing family rides. A large UTV is roughly 1,200lbs and a big atv is somewhere in the 800'ish pound range. So being loaded down with those and a couple of dirt bikes isn't going to reach the 8,000lb towing limit. It's not made for pulling commercial equipment. So I don't see why 8,000lbs is a problem.
You missed the point entirely. My 21 year old yukon xl is specced with a tow capacity of 10,100 lbs and gross combined weight rating (weight of fully loaded vehicle + trailer) of 17,000lbs. My trailer weighs 8900 lbs and occasionally I tow closer to 10,000lbs. I got my yukon xl because It is literally purpose built for heavy towing AND people carrying (notice I said people carrying, not kid hauling). I need both, albeit never both at the same time. If you opted for the optional 4.10 gearing those numbers could be bumped up to 12,000 lbs towing and 19,000 gross. Today, the highest tow rating you can get in them is 8300 lbs tow and 14000 lbs gross and the only gearing available is 3.23, which doesn't help the situation either. Simply put, I'd have to have 2 different newer/modern vehicles (a suburban + a 3/4 ton truck) to accomplish the same thing my 21 year old yukon xl accomplishes in a single vehicle. The point they are making is that they have gone backwards in rated capabilities, where the idea is to move forward. Adjusted for inflation my 2003 model year heavily optioned yukon xl was similarly priced to a 2024 lightly optioned yukon (not an xl version). You're paying more and getting less and that isn't forward progress. So you're right, they aren't towing machines but the point was that they used to be. And, adjusting for inflation, they cost more now than they did when they were very capable towing machines. They used to be capable work horses but they've lost that pedigree... and we have soccer moms to thank for that
@@Slane583 It was first produced in 1934 and was a very capable machine through 9 generations (through 2006) of the suburban. The platform used in that 9th generation is widely regarded as one of the best vehicle platforms ever made (known as the GMT800). The 10th gen (through 2014) was still capable but quality began to slip. They discontinued the 3/4 ton version in 2013 and that's when they officially went into kid hauling mode as they could no longer be optioned for a heavier duty working version. So the "suburban of old" was carried from 1934 through 2006 and arguably up to 2013 as that is when it truly lost it's ability to do any real work. I own a 2003 yukon xl 3/4 ton and it is a workhorse through and through. So the history of suburbans spans 90 years and it's only in the last 11 of those years that the suburban lost its roots and went into full minivan mode, so it's to be expected that people expect something from the suburban that it no longer delivers. Because for the vast majority of it's history ending only a decade ago.... it did deliver. On a side note, i regularly tow 8900 lbs with my 2003 yukon xl. I also need people (not kid) hauling ability. My 21 year old yukon xl does BOTH with ease. To do the same with new/modern vehicles, I'd have to spend in the ballpark of $150,000+ buying TWO vehicles (a suburban + a 3/4 ton truck) to accomplish the same thing... which I would never even consider as being an option
Cars are a luxury. Don’t buy them on credit. If you can’t pay for them outright, get something smaller and cheaper. The exception is for company cars. For fiscal reasons leases can be interesting.
@@zeedustrakokweird tell me how I made money on every vehicle I've ever financed? I've never had negative equity on any vehicle I've ever traded in. Currently I've built up over 20k in equity but I'm doing it wrong 🙃boomer advice bro let me guess you think Dave Ramsey knows what he is talking about?🤣
Almost every single person I know, wants a basic truck again. Please, you guys build a basic truck. 4x4, ac and heat,wind up and down windows, standard transmission. We don't need a touch screen or power seats and mirrors. Just the basics. The average working guy and girl just wants a truck, with a 8ft box and the basics. Please give us what we want. We all aren't made of money and can't afford a $100,000 truck 😢!
My previous truck was a 2002 Sonoma and I traded it in for a 2016 Canyon. I thought the Canyon would be a better, improved version of the Sonoma. However, the opposite is true because the Sonoma was 10 times better than the Canyon. Technology doesn't make a vehicle better. The interaction between person and machine must be user-friendly and enjoyable or the technology becomes an unwanted frustration.
@atg1338 In the winter, when you need to open the window 1/8 inch to prevent the moisture from creating ice on the inside of the windows, they are perfect. Electric windows are too twitchy, and manual windows give you perfect control. Plus, when the window is frozen shut, you can gently wiggle the window crank up & down to break the ice loose.
@@cardude1992 I don’t know, but the 96 Silverado I had was a beast. Had 5.7 L V8 and 3.73 gears. I pulled a load of topsoil once. Had to weigh 3 tons. Did it easily up steep hills.
Maybe not, but they must listen better than their competitors because the chart shows that even in a dow year, they still have 60% of the market! (I'm surprised.)
@@mikeh3558 they went independent rear axle on 1/2 ton for a smooth ride and leg room for the 3rd row , we just want room for car camping travel , tow our airstream
I had a 2022 Colorado Z71 with the 2.8 diesel. It was THE most fun truck I have ever owned, and being in my 70's, I've owned a few. True the diesel wasn't as fast as a turbo gasser, but that smooth as silk torque was amazing, and 26+ mpg on the hwy was also a beautiful thing. And since I live in a western mountain state, that lowend twist did it's job without complaint. I do miss it.
It sucks that tech has advanced enough to make small turbo diesels into the perfect small truck engine right at the same time that emissions regulations and equipment has turned it into the worst truck platform
@@diesel6916 Actually I got rid of it for a 2023 wheelchair van for myself. The bed lift the VA had installed for me was beating the crap out of me. Maybe, just maybe, think about what you say to someone before you make a complete ass of yourself kid.
@@ALMX5DP 26k truck and higher = CDL(B) or 10k trailer and higher = CDL(A) so technically Robert can't say that because a F350 hauling a 10,001lb trailer is a CDL Class A required rig.
@@isaiahaldaco824 For serious towing in the HD, the fuel tank should be bigger than 36 gallons. Ford longbed is 48 gallons. GM should add 10 gallons fuel capacity. It would allow a day long tow without a fuel stop.
@@isaiahaldaco824 That’s the dumbest take I’ve read all day, all trucks can tow. Some people will buy a 3500 to tow stuff they could pull with an Explorer. But you almost have a point. If you’re towing heavy frequently enough that 200 miles is an actual problem, you should probably get a Superduty or 2500.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 how is it a dumb take when 3/4 and 1ton is designed to tow. If you’re towing w a 1/2 ton then it’s light duty. Why would you tow miles with 1500. I too used to tow with the 1/2 but the 3/4 ton and up is designed for better gearing ie better mpg towing. 😂 because on paper you can technically pull 10k with most 1/2 don’t mean it will be as safe or as good as a 3/4 ton. 1500 should be used for less than 7k. And for most people that’s fine but mpg is better with a higher geared truck.
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 Duramax isn't half ton all the GM diesels are a Duramax. From the 2.8 they used to have in the Colorado to the LM2 and LZ0 from the half tons and SUVs to all versions of the 6.6 they have all been called a Duramax since the beginning
The supply chain disruption was the justification for HUGE price increases. I'm also convinced that they increased ICE prices so that the leap up to EV pricing wouldn't seem so large. They have made all of them unaffordable and I have returned to the era of buying low mileage used.
I'll never buy a vehicle with 24" wheels. Own an Expedition Platnium with 22's and they are bad enough. Some of us live in areas with terrible roads. Not to mention winter 6 months of the year and these are totally impractical. Dangerous really.
But you bought the vehicle with the 22 inch trims and you're saying those are too much I agree 24 is way too much 22 is way too much. I even think 20 is too much 18 or less is perfect for all these trucks and big SUVs but for you to say that you think that also at the same time you bought one with them doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense
Compact truck segment i don’t think ever died out. Manufacturers turned them into a midsize trucks that are so big and expensive that the consumer don’t want them. Definitely missing out not having a s10/luv truck.
As someone who just bought a Tahoe last week, the hard part I think is they announced the 2025's a year ago. So many folks are probably on the fence about shelling out 100k for a new SUV when a mid-cycle refresh is happening.
That’s actually perfect timing for those who want a deal; the new model doesn’t have any “must have” new additions, so you can work out a much better price on the old model so the dealer can make space in the showroom for the new one. I guarantee they won’t be as flexible in negotiations for the brand new design.
The reason the compact trucks are so popular is because people want a truck but they don't want to spend $50,000 for one. And also more people realize they don't really want to drive a big truck but they still want a truck. But I guarantee you if the price dropped about 15,000 you would see the decline of sales in the compact trucks in the incline of full size
Man alive, factory 24” wheels is off the charts. 22” is too much. 20” is plenty and perfect for looks, and you can still tow plenty. But honestly, I don’t think the wheel size is Chevy’s towing problem. In fact I don’t think they really have a towing problem at all. If Chevy wanted the Tahoe/Sub to have a 12,000 lb rating they’d do it. The cross-section of buyers actually using that amount of tow capacity on a regular basis is likely small. Both GM and Ford have had much lower tow ratings than the 12,000 lbs they used to equip the Suburban 8100 and Excursion 7.3 with 20 years ago (likely partly as a result of customers wanting better ride quality).
Ford started the off road truck with the Raptor and had it all to them selves for over a decade. GM still has not built one. Now they are letting Ford have the compact truck market to themselves. You guys are right, if Toyota brings the Stout to America, GM should not even bother. Mary doesn’t know what she is doing.
Price and EPA garbage guidelines is why they’re not selling new trucks. People in majority do not want EV. To me diesel is the way to go all around but fight against the EPA. I think was the Chevron lawsuit that says these three letter agencies can’t make laws without congressional approval. Now’s the time to fight back and get the ability to make more reliable trucks. Get these restrictions stricken down.
I remember when a suburban/Tahoe cost 60,00 for the top of the line trim. It looks like there’s now a shift where people now want smaller affordable cars and not big gas guzzling suvs. That craze has now passed. Many automakers including GM don’t offer any affordable smalls cars or sedans. The reason why Corollas and Camrys sales are really high.
All the prices are ridiculous especially in Canada where I reside. We take a big hit with the dollar difference. I realize you don’t care but it sure makes a difference for us.
I checked a few prices in Canada recently. Ranger Raptor $80k plus pdi fright and tax makes in about $90,000. Also saw a Nissan Frontier loaded for $77,000. Colorado Trail Boss starting at $54,000 and going up from there. Tough going for sure.
An S-10 would be a great competitor to the Maverick. Modern "mid size" trucks at this point are literally just half tons from just 15 years ago. My 2023 Frontier and my 2007 Silverado 1500 are basically the same. Same 7k tow rating. Similar HP and torque ratings. Basically the same size. Biggest difference is the fact that I could barely get 16 mpg out of the silverado, and I can get 21-24 out of the Frontier, easily.
People can't afford a new vehicle. When I bought my first new car, it was 10% or less of the cost of my house. Today it is a 1/4 to half the price of a home.
As of the second quarter of 2024, the median home sales price in the United States was $412,300. This is a 3.4% decrease from the previous quarter, but home prices are still up roughly 28% from the second quarter of 2020. As of October 2024, the average price of a new car in the United States is $48,397, according to Cox Automotive. This is a 3% decrease from the peak price of $49,929 in December 2022. I’m not sure where you’re getting your facts from.
Also plenty of people can afford new vehicles. Just because you can’t, doesn’t mean other people can’t. I have a friend that works at a Toyota dealerships. They hardly have anything on the lot that’s not pre-sold already.
The reason you don’t see the 3.0 babymax in a mid size is after treatment it would be very difficult to put an after treatment system sized to handle the output in that mid size/wheel base, along with transfer case etc.
This is more a nick pick on their Suburbans, Tahoes and Yukons, they dominate the full size SUV market by A LOT, even with sales down. It's more about them competing with themselves.
They dominate the truck market too... Chevy + GMC combined sell significantly more than Ford/Toyota/RAM when you add all the GM trucks. All the Ford fanboys try and separate the sales figures of Chevy and GMC to make it look like Ford is actually competitive in sales, but it's not even close.
@cup_and_cone true more recently, but it wasn't like that prior to 2015, there was only three instances where GM actually outsold Ford combined before then, but now it's been almost every year.
@@gpaje Well all of Ford's Super Duty commercial vehicle sales get factored in their truck sales too, and Ford DOMINATES the aftermarket/commercial category. If you think about every city ambulance out there, or electric company with utility truck, many are based on Ford Super Duty's that aftermarket upfitter company's buy and customize. This is a significant boost to their overall sales than just private vehicles.
The new Colorado is a cute little truck but the backseat is slightly tighter than the last gen, and the bed volume looks smaller with both wheel wells running to the forward box. If you wanted a market hit, backseat should’ve been slightly bigger then last gen and you should’ve kept the 6ft bed option around
Love the channel fellas, keep up the good work! But nobody is buying new trucks because they’re ridiculously overpriced…combine that with high interest rates & higher insurance rates, it makes perfect sense that the big three are reporting decreased sales numbers.
Some observations... 1. No big mystery on the sales drop off - ALL trucks are way overpriced these days, full stop. 2. Tow ratings and power in the 1500 segment are more than sufficient already. Someone with a non-CDL license should not be towing 14000 lbs with a half ton that weighs under 6000 lbs. I have a CDL with many years experience, and I would never tow that heavy in anything less than a 3500. Far too sketchy. 3. Similar to #2, unless you have a CDL, you can't legally come anywhere near utilizing the towing capacity in the HD segment. If you need to legitimately tow 40,000 lbs, you should really be doing that with a commercial chassis / class 7 or class 8 single axle hwy tractor; again for safety and control. They can't just continue increasing this every year and end up at 600hp with 1950 lb-ft -- that's called a Peterbilt 379. They're all painting themselves into a corner and have run out of frog tape.
They moved the Tahoe and Suburban to the $60k - $100k range and raised prices on their other SUVs. The equinox used to start around $27k now it starts around $32k. Most people I know who used to drive Tahoes have switched to the traverse.
Traded in my 21 Colorado ZR2 with 60k straight across for a 23 Colorado Trail Boss. A “base” interior, no stupid parking sensors or other unwanted nannies, but a mildly lifted 4x4 capable of running 33’s from the factory, yes please and thank you Chev. And the headlights in the touch screen…not an issue whatsoever. Don’t know why people make such a big deal out of it.
The default position is ON. No danger whatsoever. Do you have installed, or carry around a spare light switch for your truck? Because the hard light switch can and have failed too. Spare light bulbs?
The menu does not matter if you cannot afford the meal. Cost is killing sales and quality is contributing to the mess. Its a race to clean up their act...
Regarding HD truck specs it's important to remember that the advertised max torque rating is NOT available on-demand. The computers and sensors decide how much torque will be available not the driver.
Price and interest rates are probably the reason for the slowdown across the whole range of large SUV's. It's 80k for a decent Suburban or Tahoe, and when you are paying 7% or more interest that's alot more difficult than just 4 years ago at 65k and nearly 0% interest. A certainly number of people are just not able to stress the budget that far.
The entire market is constricting, and a lot of their upcoming offerings are probably having an impact on current sales. Also, it's not just Chevy or GM. Most of the automakers right now seem to be marketing 80% of their products to the top 20% of wage earners, and that's a much smaller market than when the average fulltime worker can buy a new car or truck for under $30,000.
20-30 years ago it seemed like ford and chevy were focused on making the best trucks, now it seems like theyve all agreed to just make junk. People keep buying them too smh
It’s pretty good quality in general, but they are changing it too fast so instead of finding and fixing the issues during design and releasing a year later, they let the first year owners find the issues. That’s why there are so many more recalls today than a couple decades ago. If people stopped demanding new designs every year and accepted the same (rock solid) model being sold for 10 years before changing, the whole appearance of junk would greatly decrease as the engineers could spend years testing and tweaking designs before the first consumer gets a glimpse at it. I would certainly be happy driving a 2015 model design as a brand new vehicle today, knowing it will last flawlessly for 30 years. It would even get better mileage than the 2015’s did as they have more time to improve and tweak it before releasing and don’t need to define as much to be safe for avoiding unknown issues they didn’t have time to test for. Hell, with enough testing and improving, the gas turbos could be just as reliable as the diesel turbos, which I will take any day over the cutting edge trail assist and driving mode\convenience features in today’s vehicles.
CAFE standards ruined the compact truck market. Nobody can produce them any longer without them being electric. The days of the four cylinder, 5 speed manual compact truck are long gone. Very sad...
@@FacuGonz3 A lot of other countries use small diesels in everything, especially cars. But the US government treats diesel engines as if they're the sole cause of smog and pollution.
Maverick is outselling the majority of mid and full size trucks - yet remains largely uncontested. I can’t believe Chevy isn’t moving mountains to get the Montana over here, but I guess they’d rather try selling us $80k vehicles instead.
Technology, if you can’t turn on your headlights with a switch, it’s a deal breaker. More and more I like the Frontier. In 10 years you won’t be able to get a new display for your Chevy.
$70k plus trucks are dumb who wants to put a ton of gravel into bed of something that cost as much as a cheap house. If I want a cushy vehicle to drive around I would rather have a car, lots better for parking and gas. The fancy truck thing hopefully has hit it's inevitable end.
Because most people with trucks don’t actually use them for truck things. Maybe and occasionally run to Costco/ Home Depot, something that could be accomplished in a minivan or a crossover. But that’s not manly enough I guess.
Chevy probably doesn't care about making a Raptor R competitor due to the fact that they only make up less than 5% of truck sales! They already have 400 plus horsepower, why do you need more? Plus, how long are ice vehicles going to be around? Less headache for Chevy making one then have to worry about recalls and whatever else may come up. If they thought they could sell 50-100000 units a year maybe, but that won't happen.
Exactly a person could option a truck with 6.2 and if they really want to match raptor have a super charger put on it. No reason to make a nich market truck in a crowded market.
If you can't understand why people would want more HP when your are paying the same as competitors that do have more HP! Then you are part of the problem haha
Chevy Blazer Blazer EV and trailblazer. Absolutely embarrassing little pansy crap. You have an entire thesaurus of names you can use for Putt-Putt crossovers and you use the few names that Chevy has for a serious off-road machine that's completely absent from their lineup. Unforgivable
I remember when you could get a fully loaded Tahoe Z71 for $40k+. Prices today are ridiculous...even mid size trucks are ridiculously priced. With that said, the only truck I would buy today if I could afford is the Silverado ZR2 Duramax, or the Raptor Ranger...
CDJR and GM/Chevy are letting Ford walk away with several market segments. The Raptor R, t he V8 Mustangs, the Maverick and if Stellantis fails and Jeep goes bye-bye for a few years,, the Bronco.
After trying one, I really want a Lightning. Unfortunately it won’t fit in my garage so charging at home wouldn’t work for me personally. I live in rural Ohio.
Bring back the Avalanche! I'd buy one to replace my 2013. GM dropped all the engines in the Midsize trucks to pay for the EVs. GM has spent ALL it's development money into EVs. It's doomed them.
Auto headlights dont always come on when it rains either. Last thing you need to do when it rains is fiddle around with an infotainment system. Dangerous to not have lights on and more dangerous to have to be looking away from the road in the rain trying to turn on your lights... Should be illegal.
In 1981, I bought a new Toyota SR5 pickup. Today, the Maverick is very similar. The SR5 wasn't a "real" truck, but as a young suburbanite, it served us very well. The only mistake Ford has made is their Lightning truck should have been based on the Maverick. It's more of an urban vehicle, small, compact, good for commuting where the EV range problem would not be an issue. Thus far, none of the manufacturers have rolled out a plug in hybrid, which is way overdue.
An electric Hummer over 100k and an electric Silverado over 100K and their regular trucks are 70-80k. Ridiculous prices and crappy quality. The MDS engines are blowing up at an alarming rate after 100k so it is a question of quality versus payout.
"What's going on "? Overpaid, underperforming union labor, colluding with Fed Govt climate zealots that constantly increases pricing and reduces dependability.
I definitely agree with you about maybe putting the 3.0 Duramax in the GMC Canyon and Chevy Colorado. At minimum, leave the 2.8 Duramax in there. Also... I could care less about the 4-cylinder turbo... It's OK but they could easily have put a turbo on the 3.6 V6 that was already in there.
I drive a Silverado EV at work. The lack of a light physical button or switch is the biggest mistake I have ever seen. I needed to turn my lights on and it took forever to find it. It isn't even easy to get to.
I believe there most certainly are customers who specifically want a midsized/compact truck. But the reason sales are so high for midsized trucks is not because of demand. It because it is all that real people can still barely afford.
How about the increased cost? Back in 19 when I bought my silverado, I considered a Suburban, however 51k for the base model, I couldn't afford it. I didn't want to afford it. That's insane. What really drove me away from GM though, was the lack of options. The Colorado now starts at like 35k, doesn't have a 6' bed, doesn't have a base engine, only comes with a touch screen. I wouldn't buy it to replace my fleet rangers, I ended up going with a 1500 Ram classic.
I was within a whisker of buying a 1500 Denali and I was told I couldn’t get the “loyalty” 2k available. GM should be willing to make me a new customer but nope. Got another Tundra and I’m good. BTW, prices are stupid everywhere. Sticker on my iforce max 1794 4x4 was 75k, paid 63.
Vehicles are too expensive, and a 0.5% interest rate drop isn't enough to make people buy unless they are dumb or in need. Chevy could easily use the already in production L8T and punch out the 6.6L to 7+L and slap a ZL1 supercharger on it and push 700+hp.
Could you imagine if one of the big 3 were to say we're keeping the trucks the same but going back to 1990's pricing and cutting the cost of a $90k vehicle in half. How many do you think they would sell. Or even selling them 25% lower. You'd think there would a big up tick in those sales. But no, it's more of a race to see who can sell them for more.
Suburbans cost 80k+, there is your reason.
no it doesn't. Troll
@@davidporter7051 what Tahoe or Sub you looking at? All the ones I see do. Denali or High Country is all lots carry and they are bumping $90.
@@davidporter7051 good one?
@@davidporter7051 a majority of them do. It is only going to get worse since next year they are raising the price by 5k.
@@oldballatgaming now they don't the average Suburban transaction price is $74000 that's not $80000 and that's a lot of LT's selling for 60 K to bring that average down. 5%? That doesn't even cover inflation.
1. High Interest rates
2. Inflated vehicle costs
3. Imminent model year changes
4. Unexciting power ratings
5. Previous owners remember 8 speed transmission problems
don't forget the 10 speed which is meant to be replacing the 8sp is a complete pile of junk too with numerous problems.
the 5.3L with cylinder deactivation liking to explode
the 4cyl being underwhelming at best with horrible real world economy
Interiors being cheap and junk for the price they're asking
and last but certainly not least Chevys numerous electrical problems across their entire line up
before anyone cries to me this isn't saying Ford & Dodge are problem free they have a ton of problems to hence the issues they're having with truck sales as well.
Don't forget that the economy sucks and 22% inflation over the past 3.5 years. Nobody has the free cash flow to buy land yachts.
@@TheTemplarnight bot. Nothing you stated is fact. Now go to sleep bad bot
@@Quicksilver314 and despite all that GM is doing well. The inflated vehicle cost should be put to bed. Prices have been consistent for the past two decades.
@@davidporter7051 the bot account calling me a bot, amusing. use google it'll help you in life.
The economy is finally catching up to ALL the manufacturers. Mid level trim should be in the mid $45k to $50k while top of the line shouldn't be over $65k to $70k. SUV & trucks. These inflated prices are ridiculous. It's also not helping when quality is still garbage.
Absolutely.
Mid level should start at low 30s
@@angelgjr1999 I was accounting for inflation. I don't think it's realistic to have pickups priced for what you could get them for 15 to 20 years ago. Cost have gone up for the manufacturers as well... labor & materials. But a mid-level trim should not be high $50's to mid $60's. That's insane and just greed at that point.
Why are they selling so many?
@@angelgjr1999Amen!
The Chevy Blazer is the biggest misstep I've seen in a decade lol
same with the trailblazer
Agreed
That's because GM did typical GM when it came to the Blazer. Customers wanted a Silverado based Blazer like the K10 Blazer of old and GM gave them another cross-over vehicle that's only ever going to see gravel driveways.
@Slane583 You're sure right about that being a typical Gm move, bringing a Full-size, modern version of the K-10 Blazer of old, would've given the Bronco a "run for its money", but Gm is afraid to take chances, so we're stuck with this mundane vehicle that looks like a toy...
@@Slane583 same with the trail blazer
All companies need to fix the reliability FIRST
Tru dat
Truth. Spending $60k on a quality product is one thing. Spending $60k on a piece of junk is why the OEM’s are in this situation.
100%!
This 100%, charging more then they ever have and more problems with them then ever before. Quality needs to improve for sure.
This is what we need as Americans. Dont argue what what brand is the best but rather we need to hold all brands accountable
Price. Thats why they’re going under. Selling trucks worth 20k for 80-100k.
Lower sales, higher profit. They may sell 30% less than before, but they make 300% more profit per truck. Still record profits every year, so those prices are here to stay.
May finally be the end of America’s love of pick-ups as they turn into a status symbol for the wealthy instead like SUV’s used to be.
@@Cloud30000 agreed. I know quite a few people rolling around in brand new 3/4 trucks and dont even own a trailer
@@rackemmm1947I’m one of them. I looked all over for a base model half ton with at least a 6’ bed but didn’t want any cylinder deactivation or start stop etc. so I found a work truck model crew cab 2500 4wd that actually has plenty of option for 50k. There is a small gas mileage hit and a bit rougher ride but I’ve been really happy with it for over two years now
@@rackemmm1947or they have a boat which gets towed twice a summer. The rest of the year is for their huge ego.
Is no factoring inflation? $75000 in 2024 = $50000 in 2015.
With that in mind 1500s don’t make sense the real deal would be to just get a 2500/3500 for a few thousand more
Astronomical prices is what’s happening.
Just wait till, pretty soon you will need to watch 5 ads on the infotainment unit before it lets you start your car.
Ignorance
😂
Ford is patenting tech to deliver you the best ads right to the infotainment screen
Sheesh your right!
Erase the comment so they don't get the idea
Ford is making stuff to force your ac and radio off if you don’t pay for your vehicle
Chevy has to stop putting out trucks with huge ass wheels. Who wants 24” tires?
The same ppl who want screens so big you can’t measure them with a ruler 😂
Should have made them gold spinners
@@pryme2013 I don’t mind large screens as you won’t be replacing them every so many months and swapping out for a winter version 😊
If you can afford an $80k truck, you can afford $300 tires.
I'm good with my 2001 Silverado that I bought for 4k. Runs and drives great. Love that tough Vortec!
They need to get rid of the DFM cylinder deactivation.
I won’t buy a vehicle with that personally.
I’d be happy just being able to permanently disable it without using external equipment
@@pryme2013 I've had no issues with it
@chadmiller6487 Same. I actually like the way my truck drives with the DFM active. Sitting at 60k with no issues but I also change and monitor oil level to make sure the system stays clean.
Cylinder deactivation is big NO for me.
Give me a break, Tahoes, and Suburbans aren't towing machines. They are kid Haulers, for rich soccer moms. .
Correct. People forget the Chevy Suburban of now is not like the Suburban of old when it was first produced. The original Suburban was made to haul around work crews, gear and cargo. Like with everything it has slowly evolved into a people hauler over the years. People these days expect their vehicles to do everything and complain when they don't. If you want to tow more than 8400lbs then get a truck. The Tahoe and Suburban are good for hauling family, friends and a trailer loaded with ATV's or dirt bikes.
They can tow a decent amount for every day regular people. This is not a hot shot vehicle or farm truck.
@@Frank-xt3of Agreed. Aside from people who haul their children around with it I also see a mother and father with a few kids using it to haul their four wheelers or dirt bikes to a trail when doing family rides. A large UTV is roughly 1,200lbs and a big atv is somewhere in the 800'ish pound range. So being loaded down with those and a couple of dirt bikes isn't going to reach the 8,000lb towing limit. It's not made for pulling commercial equipment. So I don't see why 8,000lbs is a problem.
You missed the point entirely. My 21 year old yukon xl is specced with a tow capacity of 10,100 lbs and gross combined weight rating (weight of fully loaded vehicle + trailer) of 17,000lbs. My trailer weighs 8900 lbs and occasionally I tow closer to 10,000lbs. I got my yukon xl because It is literally purpose built for heavy towing AND people carrying (notice I said people carrying, not kid hauling). I need both, albeit never both at the same time. If you opted for the optional 4.10 gearing those numbers could be bumped up to 12,000 lbs towing and 19,000 gross.
Today, the highest tow rating you can get in them is 8300 lbs tow and 14000 lbs gross and the only gearing available is 3.23, which doesn't help the situation either. Simply put, I'd have to have 2 different newer/modern vehicles (a suburban + a 3/4 ton truck) to accomplish the same thing my 21 year old yukon xl accomplishes in a single vehicle.
The point they are making is that they have gone backwards in rated capabilities, where the idea is to move forward. Adjusted for inflation my 2003 model year heavily optioned yukon xl was similarly priced to a 2024 lightly optioned yukon (not an xl version). You're paying more and getting less and that isn't forward progress. So you're right, they aren't towing machines but the point was that they used to be. And, adjusting for inflation, they cost more now than they did when they were very capable towing machines. They used to be capable work horses but they've lost that pedigree... and we have soccer moms to thank for that
@@Slane583 It was first produced in 1934 and was a very capable machine through 9 generations (through 2006) of the suburban. The platform used in that 9th generation is widely regarded as one of the best vehicle platforms ever made (known as the GMT800). The 10th gen (through 2014) was still capable but quality began to slip. They discontinued the 3/4 ton version in 2013 and that's when they officially went into kid hauling mode as they could no longer be optioned for a heavier duty working version. So the "suburban of old" was carried from 1934 through 2006 and arguably up to 2013 as that is when it truly lost it's ability to do any real work. I own a 2003 yukon xl 3/4 ton and it is a workhorse through and through. So the history of suburbans spans 90 years and it's only in the last 11 of those years that the suburban lost its roots and went into full minivan mode, so it's to be expected that people expect something from the suburban that it no longer delivers. Because for the vast majority of it's history ending only a decade ago.... it did deliver.
On a side note, i regularly tow 8900 lbs with my 2003 yukon xl. I also need people (not kid) hauling ability. My 21 year old yukon xl does BOTH with ease. To do the same with new/modern vehicles, I'd have to spend in the ballpark of $150,000+ buying TWO vehicles (a suburban + a 3/4 ton truck) to accomplish the same thing... which I would never even consider as being an option
I want a suburban diesel but not for 90k everything is too expensive and interest is too high 🤷🏼♂️
Same
see if your dealer will order a LS with not a ton of luxury car options
Cars are a luxury. Don’t buy them on credit. If you can’t pay for them outright, get something smaller and cheaper.
The exception is for company cars. For fiscal reasons leases can be interesting.
@@zeedustrakokweird tell me how I made money on every vehicle I've ever financed? I've never had negative equity on any vehicle I've ever traded in. Currently I've built up over 20k in equity but I'm doing it wrong 🙃boomer advice bro let me guess you think Dave Ramsey knows what he is talking about?🤣
@@cch201992how
Almost every single person I know, wants a basic truck again. Please, you guys build a basic truck. 4x4, ac and heat,wind up and down windows, standard transmission. We don't need a touch screen or power seats and mirrors. Just the basics. The average working guy and girl just wants a truck, with a 8ft box and the basics. Please give us what we want. We all aren't made of money and can't afford a $100,000 truck 😢!
My previous truck was a 2002 Sonoma and I traded it in for a 2016 Canyon. I thought the Canyon would be a better, improved version of the Sonoma. However, the opposite is true because the Sonoma was 10 times better than the Canyon. Technology doesn't make a vehicle better. The interaction between person and machine must be user-friendly and enjoyable or the technology becomes an unwanted frustration.
Crank windows 🤣🤣🤣🤣 no thanks
@atg1338 In the winter, when you need to open the window 1/8 inch to prevent the moisture from creating ice on the inside of the windows, they are perfect. Electric windows are too twitchy, and manual windows give you perfect control. Plus, when the window is frozen shut, you can gently wiggle the window crank up & down to break the ice loose.
@@aerynlovell4754 I live in beautiful Santa Barbara California so I'll take your word on that one👍
….and reliability
My first truck was a 1996 Silverado 1500. It was solid. Strong towing. They need build them like they used to.
I miss my 97 Silverado
@@davidrudd9846 I just bought a 01 Silverado! Love it. Runs and drives great! I paid $4,000 for it. It does what a truck is suppose to do.
I still have my 1997 silverado. 700,000 MILES is the most I have seen on a C/K truck. Many have 200 to 500 K miles on them.
The new one tows more?
@@cardude1992
I don’t know, but the 96 Silverado I had was a beast. Had 5.7 L V8 and 3.73 gears. I pulled a load of topsoil once. Had to weigh 3 tons. Did it easily up steep hills.
I don't think GM actually listens to their customer base.
Maybe not, but they must listen better than their competitors because the chart shows that even in a dow year, they still have 60% of the market! (I'm surprised.)
They have very old options...that is why. If you look at the past, the competition did not sell as much in Qatar for example...
Yall are asking way too much, more towing isn't necessary. The average American tows a trailer once a year
Yes, if that.
In Sweden, my fiancé's family pulls a trailer at least once a month....with their KIA....lol
Your are 100% spot on! Most people where I live don't even tow with an f350! It's just a status symbol.
Yeah I was gonna say, who cares about towing for the Tahoe or suburban.
Bring back the 2500 suburbans, 6.6 L8T gas or even better, the big duramax option, more payload and towing.
That would be interesting. I wonder what they'd do to strengthen the drivetrain with the independent rear they now have.
@@mikeh3558 Probably straight rear axle for a 2500
@@mikeh3558 they went independent rear axle on 1/2 ton for a smooth ride and leg room for the 3rd row , we just want room for car camping travel , tow our airstream
Ram has nothing new to
6.2 Gas is better than 6.6 gas
I had a 2022 Colorado Z71 with the 2.8 diesel. It was THE most fun truck I have ever owned, and being in my 70's, I've owned a few. True the diesel wasn't as fast as a turbo gasser, but that smooth as silk torque was amazing, and 26+ mpg on the hwy was also a beautiful thing. And since I live in a western mountain state, that lowend twist did it's job without complaint. I do miss it.
It was so good you got rid of it before it was even broken in
It sucks that tech has advanced enough to make small turbo diesels into the perfect small truck engine right at the same time that emissions regulations and equipment has turned it into the worst truck platform
Had a 2018 colorodo diesel, great truck but at 100k the emission system went haywire
@@diesel6916 Actually I got rid of it for a 2023 wheelchair van for myself. The bed lift the VA had installed for me was beating the crap out of me. Maybe, just maybe, think about what you say to someone before you make a complete ass of yourself kid.
The 975 lb. ft. of torque is fine, what bothers me is the 500 pounds of exhaust system.
Better for reliability. I would rather have less power than typical Ford QC...
If you’re towing CDL weight, get a CDL truck
Yup. Get a REAL truck. Tow up to 80,000 lbs and they’re way more reliable (reach up to a million miles)
@@angelgjr1999 irks me when they call these trucks heavy duty. They’re LIGHT DUTY TRUCKS
What exactly is a "CDL truck"?
@@ALMX5DP 26k truck and higher = CDL(B) or 10k trailer and higher = CDL(A) so technically Robert can't say that because a F350 hauling a 10,001lb trailer is a CDL Class A required rig.
@@ALMX5DPa truck that requires a CDL to drive. Seems self explanatory…
Fuel tanks at least 50% too small on 1500 trucks for those who tow. 200 miles towing sucks.
Towing is meant for the 2500
@@isaiahaldaco824 For serious towing in the HD, the fuel tank should be bigger than 36 gallons. Ford longbed is 48 gallons. GM should add 10 gallons fuel capacity. It would allow a day long tow without a fuel stop.
@johnandrobinmccoy8305 that's true. But If you put the emissions on a diet, then the extra mpg negates the need for a bigger tank.
@@isaiahaldaco824 That’s the dumbest take I’ve read all day, all trucks can tow. Some people will buy a 3500 to tow stuff they could pull with an Explorer. But you almost have a point. If you’re towing heavy frequently enough that 200 miles is an actual problem, you should probably get a Superduty or 2500.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 how is it a dumb take when 3/4 and 1ton is designed to tow. If you’re towing w a 1/2 ton then it’s light duty. Why would you tow miles with 1500. I too used to tow with the 1/2 but the 3/4 ton and up is designed for better gearing ie better mpg towing. 😂 because on paper you can technically pull 10k with most 1/2 don’t mean it will be as safe or as good as a 3/4 ton. 1500 should be used for less than 7k. And for most people that’s fine but mpg is better with a higher geared truck.
@The Fast Lane Truck: They need to bring back Suburban 2500.
yes a trail boss custom solid rear axle no 3rd row ,HD towing high payload
Only if it's a true Duraburb with the 6.6 and Allison... I won't want that 3.0 Duramax crap. Or better yet, bring back the 6.6 LS and supercharge it.
@@cup_and_cone dura max is 1/2 ton if they made the suburban more utilitarian ,save some wt but it still more of a 3 row luxury family school bus
I would love a 2500 suburban. A father with kids and dogs that go camping i need that space.
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 Duramax isn't half ton all the GM diesels are a Duramax. From the 2.8 they used to have in the Colorado to the LM2 and LZ0 from the half tons and SUVs to all versions of the 6.6 they have all been called a Duramax since the beginning
The supply chain disruption was the justification for HUGE price increases. I'm also convinced that they increased ICE prices so that the leap up to EV pricing wouldn't seem so large. They have made all of them unaffordable and I have returned to the era of buying low mileage used.
I'll never buy a vehicle with 24" wheels. Own an Expedition Platnium with 22's and they are bad enough. Some of us live in areas with terrible roads. Not to mention winter 6 months of the year and these are totally impractical. Dangerous really.
Right? Those oversize rims do NOT make SUVs and trucks look better and they definitely don't help with traction.
But you bought the vehicle with the 22 inch trims and you're saying those are too much I agree 24 is way too much 22 is way too much. I even think 20 is too much 18 or less is perfect for all these trucks and big SUVs but for you to say that you think that also at the same time you bought one with them doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense
The average working man can not buy a truck or an SUV that costs as much as a house.
I think they changed plenty on the Tahoe/Suburban for a refresh. New front and rear lights, totally different dash design, new wheels.
In the battle for ride quality they go with 24's? Seems backwards.
It is !
Compact truck segment i don’t think ever died out. Manufacturers turned them into a midsize trucks that are so big and expensive that the consumer don’t want them. Definitely missing out not having a s10/luv truck.
It’d have to be a FWD sedan based pickup like the Maverick. The manufacturers didn’t kill the segment, the EPA did.
As someone who just bought a Tahoe last week, the hard part I think is they announced the 2025's a year ago. So many folks are probably on the fence about shelling out 100k for a new SUV when a mid-cycle refresh is happening.
An unaffordable suv indeed, i don't know how you people afford those things
That’s actually perfect timing for those who want a deal; the new model doesn’t have any “must have” new additions, so you can work out a much better price on the old model so the dealer can make space in the showroom for the new one. I guarantee they won’t be as flexible in negotiations for the brand new design.
most the ones the dealers order are high end luxury models
@@campbell0162it's a small business tax write off. Either get a vehicle you want or give that money to Uncle Sam.
@@oldnumber6 that's true as well, never thought of that!
The reason the compact trucks are so popular is because people want a truck but they don't want to spend $50,000 for one. And also more people realize they don't really want to drive a big truck but they still want a truck. But I guarantee you if the price dropped about 15,000 you would see the decline of sales in the compact trucks in the incline of full size
Have you seen the prices on these compact trucks. They up there.
Midsize trucks aren't much cheaper than a half ton and they are damn near the same size a half ton used to be
@@JesseLJohnson we're talking about the compact truck Ford Maverick and whatever Hyundai has out there can't remember the name of it
Man alive, factory 24” wheels is off the charts. 22” is too much. 20” is plenty and perfect for looks, and you can still tow plenty. But honestly, I don’t think the wheel size is Chevy’s towing problem. In fact I don’t think they really have a towing problem at all. If Chevy wanted the Tahoe/Sub to have a 12,000 lb rating they’d do it. The cross-section of buyers actually using that amount of tow capacity on a regular basis is likely small. Both GM and Ford have had much lower tow ratings than the 12,000 lbs they used to equip the Suburban 8100 and Excursion 7.3 with 20 years ago (likely partly as a result of customers wanting better ride quality).
Ford started the off road truck with the Raptor and had it all to them selves for over a decade. GM still has not built one. Now they are letting Ford have the compact truck market to themselves. You guys are right, if Toyota brings the Stout to America, GM should not even bother. Mary doesn’t know what she is doing.
I think the chart shows GM still has 60% market share even in a down cycle...
Far to expensive with engine issues.
I'm at a point where if a car doesn't have android auto, and I can't just swap in an aftermarket head unit to get it... I'm not buying it.
Yuuuup. I’m the same but with apple
CarPlay.
Yea, I'm at the same point, but for a butler, a maid, a toilet, a breakfast nook, a bay window, a sauna.............etc.
@@owggarage723 I've never seen a car, truck, or SUV that came with a toilet, Bay window, sauna, etc. Is that an old Daewoo set of options?
Good luck though on some vehicles because so many other subsystems depend on that stock HU.
@@txp-tuff4358 hence the "and I can't just swap in an aftermarket head unit" part.
2 liter diesel truck are available all around the world. What keeps it out of USA is rediculous emissions control.
European emissions are more strict.
Its because the capitalist economy wouldn't make enough money or keep masses in debt.
I hate going into the menu just to turn on my fog lights and then have to do it every time I turn the truck on and off same with the heated seats
you gotta go into the screen to turn off the silverado EV, drove one today at work
The computer nerds are out of control
Price and EPA garbage guidelines is why they’re not selling new trucks. People in majority do not want EV. To me diesel is the way to go all around but fight against the EPA. I think was the Chevron lawsuit that says these three letter agencies can’t make laws without congressional approval. Now’s the time to fight back and get the ability to make more reliable trucks. Get these restrictions stricken down.
I remember when a suburban/Tahoe cost 60,00 for the top of the line trim. It looks like there’s now a shift where people now want smaller affordable cars and not big gas guzzling suvs. That craze has now passed. Many automakers including GM don’t offer any affordable smalls cars or sedans. The reason why Corollas and Camrys sales are really high.
What I want to ask GM is "Why would you make a modern vehicle without a cruise control?" And who would buy one? I just don't get it...
I would, I never use it, only did once just to learn how...then never again....but I guess I am different, I also only like manual cars, I am 29.
me, i never use it
What vehicle doesn’t have cruise?
Who would buy? I think Andre did buy 😂
All the prices are ridiculous especially in Canada where I reside. We take a big hit with the dollar difference. I realize you don’t care but it sure makes a difference for us.
I checked a few prices in Canada recently. Ranger Raptor $80k plus pdi fright and tax makes in about $90,000. Also saw a Nissan Frontier loaded for $77,000. Colorado Trail Boss starting at $54,000 and going up from there. Tough going for sure.
They need to read these comments out loud for the manufacturers.
Hey Chevy!!! Bring back the S-10!!!
yes give us a smaller king cab / super cab with. 6' box as the 4.5'-5' cant haul bikes in the bed and close the tailgate
An S-10 would be a great competitor to the Maverick. Modern "mid size" trucks at this point are literally just half tons from just 15 years ago. My 2023 Frontier and my 2007 Silverado 1500 are basically the same. Same 7k tow rating. Similar HP and torque ratings. Basically the same size. Biggest difference is the fact that I could barely get 16 mpg out of the silverado, and I can get 21-24 out of the Frontier, easily.
4.3 liter
People can't afford a new vehicle. When I bought my first new car, it was 10% or less of the cost of my house. Today it is a 1/4 to half the price of a home.
As of the second quarter of 2024, the median home sales price in the United States was $412,300. This is a 3.4% decrease from the previous quarter, but home prices are still up roughly 28% from the second quarter of 2020.
As of October 2024, the average price of a new car in the United States is $48,397, according to Cox Automotive. This is a 3% decrease from the peak price of $49,929 in December 2022.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your facts from.
Also plenty of people can afford new vehicles. Just because you can’t, doesn’t mean other people can’t. I have a friend that works at a Toyota dealerships. They hardly have anything on the lot that’s not pre-sold already.
Cost, reliability, and downright UGLY are the 3 main reasons
Also, not too many charging stations out in the wilderness
Nah, GM makes the best-looking vehicles on the road.
The reason you don’t see the 3.0 babymax in a mid size is after treatment it would be very difficult to put an after treatment system sized to handle the output in that mid size/wheel base, along with transfer case etc.
This is more a nick pick on their Suburbans, Tahoes and Yukons, they dominate the full size SUV market by A LOT, even with sales down. It's more about them competing with themselves.
Old ones absolutely do, but I see more new Fords than new Chevys; I think people are avoiding the new ones.
They dominate the truck market too... Chevy + GMC combined sell significantly more than Ford/Toyota/RAM when you add all the GM trucks. All the Ford fanboys try and separate the sales figures of Chevy and GMC to make it look like Ford is actually competitive in sales, but it's not even close.
@cup_and_cone true more recently, but it wasn't like that prior to 2015, there was only three instances where GM actually outsold Ford combined before then, but now it's been almost every year.
@@gpaje Well all of Ford's Super Duty commercial vehicle sales get factored in their truck sales too, and Ford DOMINATES the aftermarket/commercial category. If you think about every city ambulance out there, or electric company with utility truck, many are based on Ford Super Duty's that aftermarket upfitter company's buy and customize. This is a significant boost to their overall sales than just private vehicles.
The new Colorado is a cute little truck but the backseat is slightly tighter than the last gen, and the bed volume looks smaller with both wheel wells running to the forward box.
If you wanted a market hit, backseat should’ve been slightly bigger then last gen and you should’ve kept the 6ft bed option around
GM needs to give us lockers in the z71 and at4!!!
Love the channel fellas, keep up the good work! But nobody is buying new trucks because they’re ridiculously overpriced…combine that with high interest rates & higher insurance rates, it makes perfect sense that the big three are reporting decreased sales numbers.
Some observations... 1. No big mystery on the sales drop off - ALL trucks are way overpriced these days, full stop. 2. Tow ratings and power in the 1500 segment are more than sufficient already. Someone with a non-CDL license should not be towing 14000 lbs with a half ton that weighs under 6000 lbs. I have a CDL with many years experience, and I would never tow that heavy in anything less than a 3500. Far too sketchy. 3. Similar to #2, unless you have a CDL, you can't legally come anywhere near utilizing the towing capacity in the HD segment. If you need to legitimately tow 40,000 lbs, you should really be doing that with a commercial chassis / class 7 or class 8 single axle hwy tractor; again for safety and control. They can't just continue increasing this every year and end up at 600hp with 1950 lb-ft -- that's called a Peterbilt 379. They're all painting themselves into a corner and have run out of frog tape.
So true and so funny. 😃
They moved the Tahoe and Suburban to the $60k - $100k range and raised prices on their other SUVs. The equinox used to start around $27k now it starts around $32k. Most people I know who used to drive Tahoes have switched to the traverse.
Just bought a 2024 traverse LT 45k out the door..really no point in buying a Tahoe or suburban.
Traded in my 21 Colorado ZR2 with 60k straight across for a 23 Colorado Trail Boss. A “base” interior, no stupid parking sensors or other unwanted nannies, but a mildly lifted 4x4 capable of running 33’s from the factory, yes please and thank you Chev.
And the headlights in the touch screen…not an issue whatsoever. Don’t know why people make such a big deal out of it.
Because it is dangerous, that’s why.
The default position is ON. No danger whatsoever.
Do you have installed, or carry around a spare light switch for your truck? Because the hard light switch can and have failed too. Spare light bulbs?
The menu does not matter if you cannot afford the meal. Cost is killing sales and quality is contributing to the mess. Its a race to clean up their act...
3.0 duramax in a Colorado or canyon would be amazing
And thats why I'm still driving my '17 diesel Colorado.
Regarding HD truck specs it's important to remember that the advertised max torque rating is NOT available on-demand. The computers and sensors decide how much torque will be available not the driver.
Price and interest rates are probably the reason for the slowdown across the whole range of large SUV's. It's 80k for a decent Suburban or Tahoe, and when you are paying 7% or more interest that's alot more difficult than just 4 years ago at 65k and nearly 0% interest. A certainly number of people are just not able to stress the budget that far.
New incoming refresh probably explains a lot. Regardless of spec sheets, the interior looks much better on the refresh for the Tahoe
10:26 I think you should do an entire segment on "The Moronic Features that Tesla Somehow Made Popular."
The entire market is constricting, and a lot of their upcoming offerings are probably having an impact on current sales. Also, it's not just Chevy or GM. Most of the automakers right now seem to be marketing 80% of their products to the top 20% of wage earners, and that's a much smaller market than when the average fulltime worker can buy a new car or truck for under $30,000.
every maverick ive seen has a tonneau cover on it. its a tall boxy sedan.
I drove Ford Chevy and GMC and Dodge for 40 years and now I purchased a Toyota !
It has been a Great experience so far the last 2 years !
20-30 years ago it seemed like ford and chevy were focused on making the best trucks, now it seems like theyve all agreed to just make junk. People keep buying them too smh
“Junk” yeah ok.
@@dannydanko4627 found the guy living in the past.
It’s pretty good quality in general, but they are changing it too fast so instead of finding and fixing the issues during design and releasing a year later, they let the first year owners find the issues. That’s why there are so many more recalls today than a couple decades ago.
If people stopped demanding new designs every year and accepted the same (rock solid) model being sold for 10 years before changing, the whole appearance of junk would greatly decrease as the engineers could spend years testing and tweaking designs before the first consumer gets a glimpse at it.
I would certainly be happy driving a 2015 model design as a brand new vehicle today, knowing it will last flawlessly for 30 years. It would even get better mileage than the 2015’s did as they have more time to improve and tweak it before releasing and don’t need to define as much to be safe for avoiding unknown issues they didn’t have time to test for.
Hell, with enough testing and improving, the gas turbos could be just as reliable as the diesel turbos, which I will take any day over the cutting edge trail assist and driving mode\convenience features in today’s vehicles.
@@dannydanko4627 deleting comments.
This was a great video and had some of the items I even scratch my head at with GM
I like this series
I agree 100% on the LUV idea! Bring back the VOLTec Hybrid system and put it under it!
CAFE standards ruined the compact truck market. Nobody can produce them any longer without them being electric. The days of the four cylinder, 5 speed manual compact truck are long gone. Very sad...
Here in Argentina all mid size pick ups are diesel.
@@FacuGonz3 A lot of other countries use small diesels in everything, especially cars. But the US government treats diesel engines as if they're the sole cause of smog and pollution.
Maverick is outselling the majority of mid and full size trucks - yet remains largely uncontested. I can’t believe Chevy isn’t moving mountains to get the Montana over here, but I guess they’d rather try selling us $80k vehicles instead.
There needs to be a non plugin hybrid cars and trucks.
Technology, if you can’t turn on your headlights with a switch, it’s a deal breaker. More and more I like the Frontier. In 10 years you won’t be able to get a new display for your Chevy.
$70k plus trucks are dumb who wants to put a ton of gravel into bed of something that cost as much as a cheap house. If I want a cushy vehicle to drive around I would rather have a car, lots better for parking and gas. The fancy truck thing hopefully has hit it's inevitable end.
Because most people with trucks don’t actually use them for truck things. Maybe and occasionally run to Costco/ Home Depot, something that could be accomplished in a minivan or a crossover. But that’s not manly enough I guess.
The biggest WTH missed opportunity with GM is not calling the SilveradoEV the Avalanche.
They’re to cheap I need to at least be spending 150k, more computers more complex and a minimum of 30s otherwise I’m not interested
Excellent work guys!!!!!!!!! You guys keep up the good work!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
Chevy probably doesn't care about making a Raptor R competitor due to the fact that they only make up less than 5% of truck sales! They already have 400 plus horsepower, why do you need more? Plus, how long are ice vehicles going to be around? Less headache for Chevy making one then have to worry about recalls and whatever else may come up. If they thought they could sell 50-100000 units a year maybe, but that won't happen.
Exactly a person could option a truck with 6.2 and if they really want to match raptor have a super charger put on it. No reason to make a nich market truck in a crowded market.
If you can't understand why people would want more HP when your are paying the same as competitors that do have more HP! Then you are part of the problem haha
@@bengarcia1091 you're never going to have the fastest, most powerful truck or car! It's always changing, why try?
You’re right on for all points .
About the LUV truck....WHAT THE HECK CHEVY?!!😮
light utility vehicle had a 1979 4x4 L.U.V. first brand new vehicle I ever bought
@@youtubecarspottersguide1i am 29 amd still can not afford a brand new vehicle 😂
@@fortheloveofnoise they are expensive today
100% guys.
Keep up the great work.
Chevy Blazer Blazer EV and trailblazer.
Absolutely embarrassing little pansy crap.
You have an entire thesaurus of names you can use for Putt-Putt crossovers and you use the few names that Chevy has for a serious off-road machine that's completely absent from their lineup.
Unforgivable
I remember when you could get a fully loaded Tahoe Z71 for $40k+. Prices today are ridiculous...even mid size trucks are ridiculously priced.
With that said, the only truck I would buy today if I could afford is the Silverado ZR2 Duramax, or the Raptor Ranger...
CDJR and GM/Chevy are letting Ford walk away with several market segments. The Raptor R, t he V8 Mustangs, the Maverick and if Stellantis fails and Jeep goes bye-bye for a few years,, the Bronco.
0:51 That’s because it’s a mid-cycle refresh, not an all-new model. Sales will pick up once the updated model hit dealers later this year.
You've been hanging out in California or Boulder too long if you think people want EVs, LOL. Great vids guys.
Yeah, nobody who uses a truck wants an EV
After trying one, I really want a Lightning. Unfortunately it won’t fit in my garage so charging at home wouldn’t work for me personally. I live in rural Ohio.
Maverick checks all the boxes!!! 🎉
Bring back the Avalanche! I'd buy one to replace my 2013. GM dropped all the engines in the Midsize trucks to pay for the EVs. GM has spent ALL it's development money into EVs. It's doomed them.
Auto headlights dont always come on when it rains either. Last thing you need to do when it rains is fiddle around with an infotainment system. Dangerous to not have lights on and more dangerous to have to be looking away from the road in the rain trying to turn on your lights... Should be illegal.
They don't have money because they wasted it in EV.
In 1981, I bought a new Toyota SR5 pickup. Today, the Maverick is very similar. The SR5 wasn't a "real" truck, but as a young suburbanite, it served us very well. The only mistake Ford has made is their Lightning truck should have been based on the Maverick. It's more of an urban vehicle, small, compact, good for commuting where the EV range problem would not be an issue. Thus far, none of the manufacturers have rolled out a plug in hybrid, which is way overdue.
Curse of the lifter failure class action
An electric Hummer over 100k and an electric Silverado over 100K and their regular trucks are 70-80k. Ridiculous prices and crappy quality. The MDS engines are blowing up at an alarming rate after 100k so it is a question of quality versus payout.
Menu diving for headlights and no Android Auto. Were I shopping today, either of those would be a deal breaker.
"What's going on "?
Overpaid, underperforming union labor, colluding with Fed Govt climate zealots that constantly increases pricing and reduces dependability.
Great segment!
I definitely agree with you about maybe putting the 3.0 Duramax in the GMC Canyon and Chevy Colorado.
At minimum, leave the 2.8 Duramax in there.
Also... I could care less about the 4-cylinder turbo...
It's OK but they could easily have put a turbo on the 3.6 V6 that was already in there.
I drive a Silverado EV at work. The lack of a light physical button or switch is the biggest mistake I have ever seen. I needed to turn my lights on and it took forever to find it. It isn't even easy to get to.
I believe there most certainly are customers who specifically want a midsized/compact truck. But the reason sales are so high for midsized trucks is not because of demand. It because it is all that real people can still barely afford.
How about the increased cost? Back in 19 when I bought my silverado, I considered a Suburban, however 51k for the base model, I couldn't afford it. I didn't want to afford it. That's insane. What really drove me away from GM though, was the lack of options. The Colorado now starts at like 35k, doesn't have a 6' bed, doesn't have a base engine, only comes with a touch screen. I wouldn't buy it to replace my fleet rangers, I ended up going with a 1500 Ram classic.
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I was within a whisker of buying a 1500 Denali and I was told I couldn’t get the “loyalty” 2k available. GM should be willing to make me a new customer but nope. Got another Tundra and I’m good. BTW, prices are stupid everywhere. Sticker on my iforce max 1794 4x4 was 75k, paid 63.
Vehicles are too expensive, and a 0.5% interest rate drop isn't enough to make people buy unless they are dumb or in need.
Chevy could easily use the already in production L8T and punch out the 6.6L to 7+L and slap a ZL1 supercharger on it and push 700+hp.
Could you imagine if one of the big 3 were to say we're keeping the trucks the same but going back to 1990's pricing and cutting the cost of a $90k vehicle in half. How many do you think they would sell. Or even selling them 25% lower. You'd think there would a big up tick in those sales. But no, it's more of a race to see who can sell them for more.