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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2023
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As an experienced player with more than 1000 hours and former clan administrator in Brazil, I can say the game become, sadly, more and more distant that what I desire for a WW2 tactical FPS.
Is there any good and active tactical WW2 shooter these days?
sem contar que em sv BR quando tem 2 garrisons já é um milagre da porra hahahahahahaha, mas isso não tem a ver com o assunto
😂as an experienced reader I about had a seizure reading that 😂😂😂
@@xxbpxpeanutxxx162 good, seizures can be lethal. Make a favor for both of us and take your chance.
@@tankakern8169 Post Scriptum is good. Just a lot less players.
Hitmarkers run rampant in the game now and nobody is talking about it. The game used to be a one shot kill type of game but now bolt actions and semi autos get multiple hitmarkers even within 100 meters…it’s fucking unacceptable
I mean it would be realistic if the enemy wouldn't be able to really do anything after that one hit and would collapse soon after and a torso shot would always drop them or you put a second round in him to finish it but damn bolt actions not being a onehit is this Battlefield🤦
😢 its rough....
I get like 4-5 hitmarkers on someone with the Thompson and stop firing only to die by the guy I was shooting because he is somehow still alive. I've resorted to dumping my whole magazine to ensure that they actually die
@@Wulfjageryeah complete bs
Dude... one of my bombing runs made ~15 hit noises and no kills LOL
I came to HLL from battlefield, near the end of BFV when the devs gave up on it. It took a lot for me to change my run and gun game style to slow down and both play and enjoy the game. Since U14 i've noticed the player base starting to gain more new players who think the game should be faster paced and have no idea about the core mechanics, how to play strategically, or even how/where to place garrisons. Team 17's has been miss-stepping so much since taking control that the game i grew to love is just fading away and turning into just another shooter
I've had this view of HLL for quite a while now, it being just another game.
After bf1, which I consider their best but final game, I lost interest in the battlefield franchise and moved over to this game because it had everything battlefield was lacking. The more this game becomes like battlefield, the less I want to play it
Hahahaha this is just like my story... BFV to HLL until U14 now its a vomit
I dont know why but there has been an increase of people who play alot but just don't want to use their microphone. Nor do they want to learn. They just play single player with their squad or really play alone and go north or south of the flag Into no man's land. They then proceed to lose the flag and fail to fall back because of their single player action. These same people complain that the game is over too fast after sitting in queue for 10 min only to re load a different map after 15 min. Its like the spider man meme where they both point at each other.
@@beertlont776 I've noticed neurodivergent officers and commanders lately too that don't place garrisons. Half my matches don't have any garrisons anywhere and people are just aimlessly running into the map from HQ
I haven't even tried the British update yet and i won't even consider it until the dust has settled. After close to 2000 hours in the game it saddens me to see it in this state.
play the British and you will see we they needed help from the US during WW2
Same.
@@jaroelI'm so glad America saved the world. USA USA USA
Same bro. It’s so sad
@@jaroelbruh lol
1300 hours here, I love that you mentioned the fact that people were used to the muscle memory of the old run speed. I have to add, the old run speed also made for a realistic amount of lead when aiming and firing at someone. The new speed has me aiming almost entirely outside of the ring on my Garand, and the box on my Gewher if I want to hit someone that is running and is a distance away. it just looks completely wrong, whereas IMO the old leading actually looked right and legit. Would love to see you do a comparison if possible because it's just a small thing that has a huge impact on the fun. for me at least.
The way the leading changed to compensate for the speed difference is horrible and game breaking
This has been one of my biggest complaints as well. this also with the almost impossible to hit zig zag running at this speed.
900hours, I updated my og review from when the game came out of early access. Leaving it as “Not Recommended” until T17 proves they care. If they don’t, screw them.
I’m just playing Battlebit and Squad now.
Game sucks now. Even with 750 hours, the changes for me make the game unplayable. No bullet reg, yet I just get headshotted nonstop at ridiculous ranges. I should have 80 kills, and instead I'll have 8. Moving target = invincible, don't even shoot at. Have to lead 2 inches horizontally and 1-1.5 inches vertically: I'm not even aiming at the person anymore... it's stupid, it doesn't feel right, doesn't play right, just terrible. Can't play armor anymore because of the ridiculous rubber bsnding, the fact that infantry run as fast as tanks in 3rd gear ... even tanking is broken with the invisible walls/shells literally not registering as hits. Explodes on tank without any sound like it hit a brick wall. Not to mention the load out bugs, the gear shift bug, the engine bug, the audio bug, etc...
Something I can understand people underestimating is that running for ages like you're in a walking simulator is an okay experience. The frustration of running for 10 minutes and failing to set up an OP before getting shot increases the stakes. It is fun.
I started playing this game a few months before T17s first update so I’m a newer player but I absolutely loved it. I’d finally found a tactical shooter for me. I’m 28 years old and it was the first time I’d made friends online, that I didn’t know in real life, since I was a teenager! I had a squad or twos worth of friends that played and played properly (we’d always be the squad to defend in Warfare mode.) Everyone I know has fallen off playing the game now, I’m on console so everyone has gone back to playing Battlefield or whatever. It really is a massive shame that I hope can be fixed and fixed quickly.
The loss of the experienced player base is very obvious lately. Even in historically good servers that had a good track record of having competent players it's hard to find a match where people know what they're doing. Finding a match with a competent commander is difficult. Finding a match that even has a commander is getting difficult. Squad leads don't build garrisons or outposts. Regular players don't know how to use their class outside of whatever primary weapon they have. It's frustrating trying to play this anymore.
In addition to that, Team17 NEEDS to stop waiting weeks to roll out "fixes" all at once when they mess something up. No one wants to play a broken game for weeks waiting for the fix to come out. Assuming that their fix actually even fixes what they said it was going to.
It gets so tiring as an experienced player and I’m trying to be nice and giving helpful tips to the new guys in classes and roles like Squad Lead.
I’ll talk and guide them through things, they’ll do it until they die and then they’ll switch off of the squad and change squads because they can’t be bothered to listen to experience or even do a basic task such as place an outpost down.
It gets so tiring and is such a weardown on me to have to constantly step up and play Squad Lead because the low levels and other mid experienced players refuse to do so. I can’t enjoy any of the other classes as I find myself being eventually forced to take SL if I want a chance at winning a game.
Of course this is all different running with the clan I am in, I actually get designated other roles and rotate SL around a good 4-8 people.
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 my name is black jesus in game and I joined that server and I got banned. A day later I got unbanned and they said that it was a mistake. What is going on on that server?? (Squidss)
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 yeah there’s so many new people that leave squads the moment you start communicating as well. Like, why are you here if you don’t want to communicate or at least get some sort of communication.
Trying to pick up the slack for a SL that won’t talk so I gotta start suggesting things that we should do, no one does it, so I’ll point out how if we had done this then we wouldn’t have lost an objective/ would have taken out a tank or garrison, etc.
Could not say it better. Level 300 and have not touched it since the update. Have not even played the british forces tbh. It took me like a good 50-70 levels to get the hang of shooting enemies on the move with the bolt action rifles. But when you did get the hang of the bolt action, those kills were so satisfying, words cannot describe it. Even though I unlocked level 6 rifleman, whenever i play germany i always choose the kar-98 over the gewehr. But now it's nearly impossible from a distance to hit enemies on the move. I loved this game, but the tactical combat aspect of the game has in my opinion been completely erased with the increase in run speed. It was my first hard core multiplayer shooter, really loved the game.
2,500 hours here and not loving the game right now, clearly changes need to be made to keep long time players loyal. Hopefully they do it soon, I’m definitely playing less than I did before the update and new maps. Looking for something new to start playing!
Squad comes out soon
Insurgency sandstorm is still my go to.
@@Aisatsana1971 thanks will try it out!
@@tracym8952squad on console???
@@tracym8952 no way squad coming to console ???
Well said Mono! 3400hrs in HLL (quite a few seeding hours in that lot though), comp player (we made Seasonals finals!), server admin, and I'm very disappointed in the changes made so far this year. One of the aspects I loved about HLL was that success required thinking & coordination & teamwork (Project Reality style) but the recent changes have diluted that and I even found myself dolphin diving my way to cover recently.....just like BF2 all over again :(. There are plenty of zig zagging FPS shooters already and HLL just isn't going to compete with that market, instead they should be thriving in their niche between arcade and mill sim because in the coming years there will be a lot of millennials looking to transition away from the usual FPS trigger jockey games into something more deliberate and rewarding. IMO
1200 hours for me, and it's not just the movement speed, the unfixed bugs and glitches, the de-sync in hit detection, and the dolphin diving. It's the fact that Team17 still hasn't addressed any issues the player base has brought up in the last several updates, and that they just make changes to the core functions of the game that many of us have spent countless hours learning and working with- without even warning us that these changes are forthcoming. I played a couple maps last night, after weeks of not touching the game, and I can't count how many times I unloaded on enemy players when they had their back to me, hit markers everywhere, sound indications telling me I hit them, only to have them 360-no-scope kill me and run away not even hurt. I put three SHOTGUN blasts into one player at point blank range with zero damage, yet he had the time to fire his bolt-action rifle three times and kill me with the last shot. Hit detection issues like this make the game no fun, and I've got better things to do with my time.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's clips/mags are now full of blanks post-patch. Its actually ridiculous my perfect shots do nothing at all.
@@siLence-84 I run with TwinCityShredder when I play, one of the best shots in the game I've seen. When he's having a hard time killing, I know I'm gonna have a tough night.
Me and my mates, 1k+ hours each, have all uninstalled - we really loved HLL and found its downfall courtesy of Team17 quite sad frankly. Plenty of games come out nowadays but good ones are rare, and HLL was unique and occupied a niche I really enjoyed.
My friends and I all easily have 200+ hours logged on HLL. Before that patch we literally played almost every night for a few hours after work. For me, it wasn't so much the sprint speed, (coming from cod and APEX, it was an easy change), but the British guns were so broken and horrible that we haven't touched it since. Patch 14 left a pretty bad taste in our mouths, I'm not sure exactly what they can do to fix it.
3,900 hours in the game. I was getting burnt anyways, but this recent debacle has made me not come back and I have no intention to. Squad moving forward for me. They are doing an infantry overhaul to force squads to more rely on each other and work together. Very promising.
Yeah, I have pretty high hopes of the new infantry update, but Squad is slowly dying as well, unfortunately thanks to the community which just seems to want to play battlefield (since BF is dogshit now)... So let's hope the new update filters out those wankers!
@@ShiftyMoravianSquad will be around enough for us to play it n if all goes well update will be icing on the too
Couldn’t agree more I have over 500 hours in and honestly feel like I’m reliving battlefield v debacle. Where the devs weren’t the same devs as before and the new ones were only interested in chasing trends and money. Spotting flares,dolphin diving and speed running have no place in this game but unfortunately the new developers don’t seem to be interested in accuracy or realistic play. Genuinely struggling to want to play it and the devs have shown nothing in the past year to convince me they are actually going to listen to us original players.
Ive got about 3000 hours. Last night was friday night, normally loads of full servers in australia. There were only 2, and mostly under level players and the vibe just isnt there anymore. For the first time ever i just didnt care if i died, so i just kept going commander and spawning jeeps for fun
So many noobs who can't play, don't talk and don't want to play for any other reason than getting kills
It's pathetic
Wow have our Aus servers really gotten that bad? Before U14 we had 6 - 9 full servers every day of the week minimum on PC.
I'm not surprised, I left and I suspected many other long time vets would also leave, or at the very least look to other games to fill the void. No one of my friends list plays any more. Pity.
@@sdm6054I played today and probably the last time I will play it until an update but there was 3 servers for Australia and 1 of them had only 54/100 players. 😢
Mono, do they communicate with you? You're a pretty big voice and should be listened to.
Agreed, also curious
It seems like devs only communicate with top youtubers is when they want to 'manipulate' or BS to the community that plays their games sometimes
Also you’re reasonable. Most channels just throw hate.
they do, also ive had sex before
Relax
it was a great game for old school gamers...
Yep 😢
We are not the target audience anymore.
The new audience is gen Z with the attention span of a goldfish because of non-stop tiktok video's. Team17 is even jumping on the woke train to accomodate the new target audience.
We made this game great and the next generation is going to destroy it.
@@itisi2615the ADD shit hits hard. CoD type game reload speeds and running speeds makes me go mental
@@itisi2615You really gotta blame an entire generation huh
@@soundwave3092 Well, gen Z is pretty atrocious man. If you like the way society is going you must be mental.
Got about 300 hours. Love it, haven’t felt the urge since the British patch. Not sure what it is.
it is going the path of an arcade game.
- enabling the use of no mics
-sprint speed
-dolphin diving
-shorter matches encouraged (game being built around that now)
-smaller maps
-incompetent disconnected devs (seriously they havent fixed anything)
- the newer playerbase that the above attracts, they dont' GAF about anything that Hell Let Loose was before.
Me too
@@LadyFairChildVideo 100% this. There’s a feeling missing now that milsim style shooters give you. It’s just not got that shine to it anymore. I can’t put my finger on it. Their new updates made me reinstall Arma so I guess Arma devs should be thanking them.
Running speed introduced (along other things) severe hit reg issues, vehicles are borderline unplayable because of rubberbanding.
So many epic war moments, 999 IQ plays. So many comrades and friends made along the beaches of Normandy, trenches around German OPs. Gone.
This is simply heartbreaking.
The speed increase is very noticeable in map progression, capturing points etc.
i’m 250 hours in and as of now ive been experiencing lots of bugs. Vaulting over obstacles glitching, couldn’t switch weapons even though i was spamming my buttons and throwing nades but nothing comes out so the animation resets are some of the bugs. It’s really frustrating when this happens, where before non of it has.
HLL was my favorite FPS. At first I was excited about the new updates, but I too was disappointed by them. Lately, I switched to playing other fps like SQUAD, Post Scriptum, and Arma 3. I liked HLL because it was still tactical, but also slightly easier to know what was going on on the battlefield. I think you are right about the movement speed making it too easy to dodge bullets. I never had a problem with the original run speed. I thought maybe the change was implemented because the new maps they introduced are larger and more open, but I don't think that was a good idea.
Generally, I feel like there used to be more teamwork and coordination between and within squads, but this trend has been going down the past year or so. And I think the recent updates made it even worse. Since the update, it feels like HLL is moving towards a run and gun type of gameplay which is not what made it good.
Mono, I’m sure you know who I am and how much of an advocate I am for the HLL community. I gotta say, these T17 updates have made me drop HLL like a dirty shirt.
Lol, you are not AT ALL full of yourself huh? :D lmao
1k hours player here. This was only one game that i ejoy a lot and play last few years i also buy new pc just to fix stuttering and get better fps. And then Team17 step up. Fuk them..
Just spotted my review there haha :D I'm honestly so upset how this game has gone. I used to get so immersed and into the game that I used to never want to cross fields or open streets unless I really had to because it usually was an easy death sentence. Now I catch myself just roaming across feeling safe from any danger, almost as if it were CoD or BF, which is exactly what I was trying to find an alternative to to begin with.
And don't even get me started on how much they've fucked snipers by now needing multiple hits for a kill...
I really hope Team 17 admit their mistakes, roll up their sleeves and fix what they've done but I'm not holding my breath unfortunately.
I agree with almost everything you said except one small thing If you are a console player there is not a lot of good shooters for you to leave this game and play unless you like cod or battlefield there is no good alternative to HLL on console we aren’t going anywhere
Absolutely correct
@@eutectoid1 one of the main reasons I upgraded to ps5 is because of HLL
@@eutectoid1 what’s your t17 name I’ll add you
My sons, come to the light. PC means freedom 😆
try insurgency sandstorm my friend
It feels like all the hard work we have put in as players learning this beauty of a hardcore shooter is all for nothing. I remember early days having NO idea what was happening in each game just running and dying, to now being able to squad lead. They are completely changing why players want to play this game. This isn’t Call of Duty.. leave it alone
the only way for this whole mess to be fixed is for team 17 to literally just give it back to black matter or to another studio that isnt a corporation. We've already gone to deep with this mess, they dont care and theyve proven to us that they dont.
From the countless bugs, and issues they added and haven't fixed. It's worrying. The updates that say fixed things such as weapon ads away but it didn't is just awful. The lack of transparency with the community from devs, doubling down on sprint speed increase, changes core mechanics to the game, etc. It's all awful and not fun. I have played for over 1200 hours, I love the game but there new updates add so many issues and things that change the game.
I play on the console and the bugs there are awful. Servers are full of rubber banding in vehicles despite good connections, since the British update servers constantly stutter no matter the map, guns now sometimes have good ttk other times you can shoot them 7 times with a smg and they live but one shot you. Its to the point I've heard others have this issue and them saying they no longer wish to play the game due to the ttk bug being extremely inconsistent
You nailed it. !000 hour player here. Gone from playing every day to not playing at all and uninstalling.
Ideally I would like to see HLL go back to U13 before Team 17 screwed it over, but i don't have much faith in that. The running speed change alone has altered the game experience so much, i just don't enjoy playing it. Team 17 can take this stuttering mess and play it themselves.
I loved this game. I have almost 1500 hours and I play in a clan. The speed change has been hard to get use too. I use to be able to shoot at great distances when they were in the open, and I have not been able to do that again. While i like that they want to add more content, make it quality content. We would be happy with half of what they are doing as far as quantity if it had quality with it.
With over 1200 hours on the game I'm finding myself playing it about a third of the time as I did before. Sure the British are messed up, sure the run speed is not good, my issues with this game are all of the bugs that have always been there with apparently zero attempt to fix them.
Not only are there major bugs they seem to have gotten worse not better. I never used to rage with this game but these bugs are terrible. Biggest one being dodgy hit reg, followed but the voip bug, load out bug, grenade bug, can't shoot? bug. Everything I get on I wonder which one will be the worse this time. Too bad.
I've not played for a few weeks now just because I've been doing other stuff but I'm really waiting for the new Squad infantry overhaul to become the norm and then get stuck into that as it seems to be going to the right direction. HLL seems to be struggling with what it wants to be. Great video as always.
I'll admit that I've actually preferred the new speed to the previous and in my experience, has not impacted the gameplay in a gamebreaking way with the exception of infantry being able to outrun tanks. With that being said, I've always maintained that it's a bit too fast and after watching Gebatron's comparisons of the running speed from pre-U8, post-U8, and U14, I have concluded that the perfect balance of speed was pre-U8. It was just under 10mph and visually, the pace looked perfect. Honestly, there is so much complaining about the sprint speed but it's the lag and stuttering issues that are what's keeping me from enjoying the game like before.
i think having a stamina bar and like a tactical sprint or something like in cod would suit hll quite well
@zaax4532 That's a good idea. As I said, I think the new sprint speed is a little fast if we're talking about a continuous pace. I think in shorter bursts, it would be fine and having a stamina system that allows you to sprint at that speed for a short time and then maybe revert to the previous running speed would be great. Similar to how the tactical sprint in COD (gasp!) works.
2100+ hours in, comp and casual player, and it's getting harder and harder to motivate myself playing the game.
I think many people who brush off the complaints about the movement speed only think it's because it's now harder to hit moving targets but ignore (or are unaware) the impact it has on the basic structure of gameplay.
With the old "running" speed people described HLL as a "walking simulator". The time it took to get into combat incentivized garrison building and teamwork to get into a good jump off position to get into the fight, but now those things don't matter as much anymore. I can get into the thick of it way quicker, so why should I care if we build a garrison closer to the next point? Why should I take care in OP placement as much as I did beforehand?
And we can see it in the steady increase of "run and gun" players on our servers, tanking the quality of games. I've known comp players who literally didn't play any public games for months now and only play for comp games and community vs community events like SLB or Fight Nights, which only lowers the quality of public games even further as there's less and less experienced players showing the new guys the ropes.
The increase in running speed not only broke the feeling of personal risk in the game as you mentioned, it actually lowers the overall quality of the game - veteran players not bothering with public anymore, leading to a decrease in public game quality, leading to people leaving the game because it just feels bad to play.
I have about 300 hours on this on the PS5 and even in my experience its gotten worse. I struggle with connection more than ever before, frame drops etc. I still love the game, there is not much else out there like this for a console player and i love HLL just hope things can improve.
Since the British patch, along with a lot of the good vets not playing so much anymore- servers have been filled with players not wearing headsets and no communication/ team work … the only reason I play this is evaporating
550hrs here... They have just completely ruined my game experience about HLL... The run speed, the servers performance which is gone worse and worse from the arrive of this dev team, i was easly able to play this game and enjoy it with an avarage of 2.5/3.0 kd ration, but now its from their updates that im no longer be able to do anything on this game, as Mono has correctly said my muscular memory is just completely messed up and in addition this hit reg is currently a complete garbage... I have even opened a post on their Discord "suggestion" section to share these thoughts and they have actually censored it blocking it... I was "optimistic" about this dev team telling that they sure were in need of time to understand the game and how to support it, but now i just clearly see that they just dont give a fuck about anything... Thanks T17 to have ruined my preferred shooter game
I was riding a half truck yesterday on 33kmph and I was not able to take over the infantry that was running in front of me for like a 2 minute. I was like WTF. Top marathon runners run on 20kmph.
1100 hours played, used to play at least one match every evening. I haven't played since I joined as the Brits and realised that the standard issue rifle wasn't the smle.
I have over 1,500 hours. I've played maybe twice in three weeks. My friends and the group I usually play with went from playing almost nightly to...never.
Everyone I know is enjoying Battlebit or getting excited for Squad's infantry combat overhaul, which seems to be doing the exact opposite of HLL.
What set this game apart from other shooters is that it relies less on a person's reflexes and "skill" at the game and more on outsmarting your enemy. Clever placements of garrisons/ops and approaches to strongpoints instead of sprinting headfirst in. Really hope t17 sees what they had and stops trying to ruin the identity that the game made for itself
I played the new update for 15 minutes then just gave up, the speed change completely ruined the feel. I only have around 200 hours, (I was late to the party) but the move speed change was enough to make me not want to invest any more time in it.
True, stopped playing. Played it non stop for 2 years. The sprint speed change pushed me back. Now just playing Warthunder n some single player games
The running speed and getting away with things is a ln understatement. I played a good 5 matches the other day. 1600 hours btw. And my god. It was like cheating. Oh I lost the op 80m from enemy OBJ? Spawn at the Garry 600m away and in 1.5 mins already had one up on the opposite side of the point against n 80m from. HILL 400? Mountain goat. Nothing could touch me. Jumbo running away, easy satchel. You can cover so much ground..
Thank you. I have been following you and this channel for a long time and would describe myself as an experienced player.
HLL became more and more interesting for me the less time I had to play it. This may sound paradoxical, but the game (at least that's my impression) has always rewarded thoughtful action and good positioning. A tactical shooter. In other games, you had to constantly stay in training to be able to react quickly and precisely enough.
In HLL you could more than compensate for that with the tactical approach. This unique selling point no longer seems to exist.
For me, HLL is therefore also dead in this state.
The point is if the logic/tactics in the game change, the players change.
I think it's pretty safe to say most people that are jumping ship are moving to Squad, especially with their new Update, T17 really needs to take a look at Squads dev team and take notes on communication and testing with their community because the differences are night and day
I mean, everything feels off now. The change in movement speed screwed up so much, and its painful, given how different it is from 2 months ago to now.
Mono, what are comparable numbers for last June? It is possible that it being Summer in the US and kids out of school has something to do with the drop, no? Looking at your Graph, it only appears to be off slightly from last June’s drop (vacation season). If it doesn’t rebound then there is cause for concern.
HLL numbers being down can be for a few reasons. Unhappiness with current players. The release of d4 and BBR at the same time. And people not playing HLL because there friends aren’t
Not enough has changed to make me not love the game, but I agree the changes haven't gone in the right direction. Pavlov also messed up their game in a patch recently as well. This game may die if there is a better alternative, but right now I am not familiar with one.
I also like joining a match and communicating with a squad that I can switch if my current one isn't good. I don't think any other game has that right now.
Ryan, that is such a coincidence. It’s so refreshing to read your comment because I have EXACTLY the same thought process as you! I still absolutely LOVE the game. I originally came to Hell Let Loose with the only other first person shooter I’ve enjoyed before that being Battlefield 4. I do also play Pavlov as well. I actually started a group/clan in both games, and it has been so much fun!
All in all, I’m with you completely. While the majority of the changes have not gone in the right direction, I still love the game, and I have confidence that Team17 will fix the issues. They delayed update 15, which I think was VERY wise, and that actually gives me hope. However, even with some of the poor changes, this game is still a MASTERPIECE! I don’t see myself dropping this game anytime soon. I’m actually liking it even more now because the clan I’ve started has really grown. It’s an awesome group of guys. There’s about 75 of us. I’d love to connect with you and invite you to it if you’re interested! Just let me know! I’ll subscribe to your channel! Seriously, your comment is so awesome because it’s very logical and reasonable. I feel like, with all due respect, some people are dropping this masterpiece of a game way too quickly and being too pessimistic. It’s somewhat normal in the gaming industry when a takeover happens for there to be some bumps in the road, and to me, none of them have been totally game breaking, so I’m staying!
320 hrs here, I'm more of a casual player but a problem I have noticed recently is unmatched lobbies. For example I joined a game of warfare yesterday, my team having 17 friendly players, while the enemy team having 40 players. I don't know if it is just me, but I seem to get these lobbies alot.
I'm fine with having a sprint mechanic in the game since I mostly play medic and its helped a lot, but they really need to find a good balance to it. Maybe go back to the default run speed that you can do constantly, but then give you the option to sprint at full speed for like 5 to 10 seconds then you have to stop and catch your breath for a few seconds before you can even jog again and maybe a bit longer before you can sprint again.
Now what would really help us medics is the option to drag allies to cover if need be.
1K hours player: So sad...The frustration level now has no reward. The game has always been hard, but in a good way...Teamwork wins, but now it just feels hopeless. I really hope Team 17 extracts their heads from their posteriors!
600+ Hours here - I think HLL has always been a delicate balance between strategy and shooter team based game and between the factions, weapons, tanks and infantry and maps. Changing elements of the game that impact balance need to be done very carefully - this has not happened in the last major update. Can it be fixed, sure, will the most experienced players come back, maybe. But the game needs players with 100s of hours of experience playing Commander and Squad Leaders to help the new players. I hope they get it right, I really do.
I barely played after update 14 anymore. I used to play multiple hours daily for months, and from update 14 on I really don't feel this game anymore. It used to be that you needed to play very deliberate and calculated, but now I can just zigzag across open fields to get right into the enemy's face. It has lost that authentic HLL feeling, in favor of cookie cutter FPS mechanics. It has made the game pretty much forgettable imo.
ever since the update i moved to squad and with the new squad update I recommend it if you haven't played it or have but not in a while.
1900 hours here, and I too have not felt like playing. I think it's definitely fixable, reduce the speed change, do some work on the British guns. The weapons they chose are terrible and some were only ever used in Home Guard. Weapons they could have used, were ignored & the British are left using out of date weaponry.Why not build a vickers, a heavy mg at bases like anti tank guns? Update the British rifle to the Mk 4 as the basic weapon. And where is the Browning? And bring back public testing to iron out most of the problems before launching.
I noticed after the update while stopping in a tank for just for 4 seconds could get you satchelled and killed. Enemy Players can keep up or go faster than tanks even if it’s going full speed
If a dev sees this: EA/Dice did similar mistakes with Battlefield V, they had a horrible launch, played moral high ground against the player's wishes, and after the last update where the game actually started to go in the right direction (the pacific), they changed the time to kill for the third time, and left it now in state where you're playing a ww2 game and everyone takes so many bullets like they're wearing modern armor... They of course abandoned that and moved on to the much worse shitshow that is 2042 because at the end of the day they're shitting money and are still the most hated company in the industry... Like bfV, HLL has so much potential it feels even wrong to compare it to another ww2 that doesn't even have an eastern front
dang and I was just starting to pick the game back up excited to try all the new stuff...
these guys have a terrible doomsday attitude im sure hll will bounce back
I only bought the game last Xmas but immediately took to it even if I found it initially frustrating at times. Due to me playing War Of Rights, I understood the slower pace of play compared to BfV and other similar fps games, and it had that sweet spot of being in between those and the more hardcore millsims. Since U14 I’ve found I’m now playing it less and less and have recently started playing Squad. I really hope T17 get their house in order but I think they are set on a course that is opposed to the wishes of most of the established player base. The next update will tell us if this is the case or if they have listened to the communities concerns.
Spot on! Sad to see. I've loved this game since 2019 and play it less now than ever.
i haven’t seen anyone mention this, but i really miss the old music from the title screen, the first time i played the game, erika was blasting in my ears, and it immediately put me in the setting, and made me feel immersed straight from the title screen. i also very much miss the us field artillery march that would play at the title screen. now it just feels like any other shooter’s title screen.
this is probably insignificant to most everyone, but it just made me feel like the game had changed, straight from the title screen.
exactly my toughts first second I saw the speed increase, so much is tied to the speed you cant just increase it and hope for the best (or use it as a band aid for the underling issues the game has) as soon as I saw that change I uninstalled. no point and truthfully, it doesnt seem they will revert anything
Absolutely right, mono. Most of the times I'd rather be upstanding sprinting instead of crouched, because of the speed. I dislike the new speed.
Tried to play for a few hours after the brits came out. Didnt return after those 3 hours. Its been over a month now.
You are spot on Mono. As a kickstarter of this game it became everything I hoped it would and loved the game. Sadly they are ruining it. Just as you said it is way to easy to get around the map alive. I can cover so much more ground to flank, setup a garrison or outpost, take enemy garrisons or outposts down, or chase down a supply drop or airhead. And if someone spots me and starts shooting I just zig and zag my way to cover. I played recon with some random guy the other night with the speed at which we were able to cover the back half of the map we took down 15 garrisons and I dont know how many nodes during 1 match. You can just get everywhere so much faster now and no one can hardly hit you at a distance. Its simply to easy to cover ground. And dont even get me started on tanking now dealing with AT and other classes swarming over and over cause they can get to ya so fast. If they increase tank speeds to fight the infantry increase it will be the final nail in the coffin. You simply will not be able to defend and tanks will just zoom around taking spawns out or getting to advantageous positions simply to easily.
i still play the game regularly and i still love this game but right now playing hll isn't as fun as it used to be. Hell let loose never was a milsim type of game but you really had to communicate and play with your squad to win (most people dont do it unfortunately) but right now it's way worse because it's has become more frequent. Some people never talk and play solo even when squad leaders talk and command their squads. People seem to care less and it ruins the experience. But I'm still hopeful because i want to believe that they will solve these problems somehow in the near future.
As I've mentioned in other video, I have 3,400 hours in 'Hell Let Loose' but I gave up on it months ago and I can't see me going back now, not with 'Scheme17' in charge of the development. I now play 'Operation: Harsh Doorstop'. It's got a World War 2 mode, singleplayer and multiplayer with bots available. It also has a Star Wars mode, Starship Troopers mode, Vietnam, Cold War, Desert Storm, vehicles are being added soon too.
There's over 130 mods already created for it in the 'Steam' workshop and it's absolutely free to play, financed on a, "donate if you like the game', basis. The tanks are almost ready to add to the game and when they are I can see 'Hell Let Loose' losing even more players. Thanks for the video.
i have no confidence in they update 15 none
Agree that the British weapons suck and I always sigh when I'm assigned British. Don't agree about the running speed, and I haven't noticed that running across roads and fields is much safer. I sure seem to hear the ping as my helmet comes off just as often as pre-update 😄
Sad. I was planning on getting this after a very long time debating it. Not even sure why I delayed so much because it's my kind of game but I guess I saw something coming...
the CHAD SQUAD infantry overhaul versus the VIRGIN HLL increase run speed
I put some time into HLL on console and i was gonna get this game on PC now that i have a better gaming PC, but since the recent reviews ive put it off.
I've had some amazing matches this week. No lie. I don't want to see this game die.
It wont. Mono is playing into the hyperbole very much in this video. Dude says that he doesnt "feel" like playing but once in game, he has fun.
Not putting out an emergency patch fixing the bad stuttering after the update made me stop playing. It was bad before but now it's getting me killed multiple times a game.
Yeah I’ve had enough. I can only be back handed by them so many times
I played this game on and off and went through periods of playing for hours a day over the last few years and the moment i heard about the runspeed change I knew it would be utterly screwed because that is absolutely fundamental to the game. I won't load the game up ever again unless they change that back.
Thank you!
I totally agree I’ve been debating on buying squad to fill the hole in my heart where hll used to be 😔
I played 999 hours and almost 1000 from the Chinese HLL Team ARO's AT. Since U14 and U14.5 and the U15 trailer. T17 just causing more trouble to the game. More bugs were introduced. Some of the old bugs didn't fix properties, like the loadout bug, grenade bug, bolt action rifle that can't fire the first time, etc. It hurts us a lot. British loadout is just horrible and cannot compete with the German loadout. P14 the WW1 era rifle was a standard issue for the British instead of the Lee Enfield Mk4, with no "mad min" for fast bolt action speed for Lee Enfield and caused the British to have no match to the Germans who got STGs and G43s. The movement speed increase causing players who play AT as German or British using bolt action rifles are getting much harder to hit the target. It's worthless to take extra time for playing this game. Only the HCA, Seasonal, and some training matches could get some attention.
It breaks my heart seeing the game go down really. I liked it, I'm not even 100 hrs in but I miss what it used to be when I started.
Sometimes all you gotta do is just push a german op
On the console version, has anyone noticed bullet sponge. My hits are almost tripled my kills with a rifle since the update.
I had about 300 hrs of super fun in this game, now its over for me i dont think it will turn back to the good days..
you can run and can keep up with a tank when its top speed in 4th gear
I never saw an issue with the old run speed so didn't really see a need to change it in the first place. Don't fix it if it ain't broke
Sadly, this is it. The people who made this game good are gone. The former good devs are done with it and current talentless filler team won't do sufficiently better. No amount of criticism or vocality can make them magically perform better.
I miss playing this game.
I love this game, i play it on xbox my only issue is the hit detection and lack of good servers if the server have more then 70 ppl it always LAG the shillze out of it
The British update was very disappointing. Coming from a tarkov main with 3k hours in that, the single most frustrating thing about that game is the updates that get released that have CLEARLY not been play tested. After playing one match with the Brits it was obvious the zeroing was off, the iron sights were dog shit, muzzle velocity didn't feel right and the weapons didn't pack any punch. El Alamein runs like crap.
I'm not sure why devs release updates like this when they are so obviously not ready to be put to the playerbase, it tests your faith and makes you want to play other games purely due to the dev team seeming like they don't play their own game
How can you know the player overlap of battlebit and HLL?
i have to agree a 100% with Mono.
i also found it telling they mixed the dates up on the loadingscreens of the new maps.
that isn't a gamebreaking issue, but it does tell you something how much attention people are paying.
I feel the same as you mono since the update and the issues with the British and maps have been looking for something else and been playing battlebit. I actually think there are more HLL players there as well as squad and battlefield and cod players because of the quasi mildim Arcady nature of the game which appeals to a wide audience. I really do hope HLL gets fixed and the devs start listening to the community as it’s been my go game to for the last 3 years. But am starting to lose hope and think there will be a paywall or season pass in the near future
I just bought this game a few weeks ago on Xbox, I didn’t experience the old movement at all but it doesn’t feel bad in my opinion. I don’t really have a baseline to compare it to based off the previous movement but coming from games like COD or BF it feels slow compared to those which is a nice change of pace. I don’t know if I could imagine the movement much slower cause it feels good to me where it’s at. But also that’s coming from someone that only has 2 total days in game time without having experienced old movement speeds.
Havnt played since the first team 17 update rip ol boy 😢
More than 1.5k hours here.. Yes, the game was somewhat bug ridden and some bugs were very annoying even before T17 took over - sure. However, T17 managed to finally tip the scales for me to the negative side by not addressing the old issues and now even introducing even more of them, all while using us as testing dummies. Now every time I play this game I feel like I am fighting the game, not the enemies.