FULL NAT-4 TIER LIST - 2023 (Summoners War)

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @itzrixis1919
    @itzrixis1919 Год назад +199

    just remember that most people taking these polls don't have 70% of these units built

    • @marielcarey4288
      @marielcarey4288 Год назад +22

      Yep, the list is more of a vague summary on what to or not to use, and just for fun imo. Would be very nice if we got a definitive tier list some day.

    • @nexus6100
      @nexus6100 Год назад +6

      Basically if it's not part of the G3 RTA meta people frequently think it's crap

    • @ShyDream_
      @ShyDream_ Год назад +6

      There is merit to it though, the list is a decent indicator for how good a unit is, it doesn't need to be 100% accurate. Sure, there will be some edge cases but >generally< speaking I don't care if a unit is in C or F tier, the bottom half of the list is not worth building - ESPECIALLY not if you're a new or early game player.

    • @backpackpepelon3867
      @backpackpepelon3867 Год назад

      That's why democracy for uneducated masses is just electing a clown and building a circus.

    • @jaredcrabb
      @jaredcrabb Год назад +1

      ​@@ShyDream_ Some of those units like Lupinus wouls actually be good to build for new players, so the 2nd half of your comment isnt quite true. Atenai can also be a good healer if youre lacking. And Julien is a stun master.

  • @ivananyaegbu3435
    @ivananyaegbu3435 Год назад +94

    Bagel, I and I believe many people watching your video would love to see your personal tier lists for this units. As an experienced player, you have a good understanding of many units especially since you've gone out of your way to build wacky comps.

  • @therealxur8019
    @therealxur8019 Год назад +85

    I hope you can do a nat 5 one as well! These videos have been great for beginners but also people like me that are coming back after years wanting to know what’s good!

  • @greensupreme5773
    @greensupreme5773 Год назад +37

    Since Bagel made us take time for the Poll, im all in for a Petition that he uses a Team composing of D-F tier Units in RTA or Arena.

  • @micahcaffery2267
    @micahcaffery2267 Год назад +6

    Just wanted to share after watching your videos for forever and playing this game for 9 years (on and off) I got my first LD 5 today - Lydia (dark polar queen). I was watching yesterdays summons and got lucky so thank you for all you do Jubi and to the rest of you veterans with no LD 5 I wish you luck!

  • @jasonskai5031
    @jasonskai5031 Год назад

    JB, Thank you sir. You must have super hearing I was just chanting 2023 Nat 4 list this week and here we are in the weekend with one of your awesome tier list vids.

  • @spacemonkey3718
    @spacemonkey3718 Год назад +6

    My daughter just started playing and needs this list thank you 🙂

  • @gdutrow
    @gdutrow Год назад +9

    It seems water jack o lantern is super underrated. His whole kit is useful. Back to back revenge/buff steal/heal is hilarious to watch counter feng yan, woosa, and laika teams.

    • @latergator9622
      @latergator9622 Год назад +2

      I tried to get guild mates to build him for over a year lol. When they finally did they couldn't believe how well he works

    • @surr3ald3sign
      @surr3ald3sign Год назад +1

      If you think he counterz feng yen you need to figjt better runed fengs bc feng yen smears him

    • @latergator9622
      @latergator9622 Год назад +4

      @@surr3ald3sign it's not a full counter, but he is useful against him. Stealing revenge buff is op for chilling. Maybe you need a better runed chilling? 😂

    • @boartank
      @boartank Год назад +1

      @@surr3ald3sign mine has 20k hp triple rev. Feng wins in a 1v1 but you dont 1v1 in siege

  • @ILikeCHEEZ9
    @ILikeCHEEZ9 Год назад +4

    Songseol is great. I use her in non rta pvp and she shuts down all def that relies on buffs. No woosa, no riley, no khmun, no stacks for odin, etc etc. It's great. And fire horus on destroy is pretty effective at shutting down defs relying on passives because he simple doesnt die, Water anubis sneezes and perna disappears. I rarely use garo because most things are on violent or everything has multi hit skills. He can kill and stunn effectively but he simply doesn't survive against most things

  • @raymondleyer9214
    @raymondleyer9214 Год назад +3

    Very informative - and very depressing. ;) I'm just comparing it to my monster list and going "... no... no... no, no... okay, that one I have... no, no, no... ... "
    Better luck in a few months. XD

  • @Aokimarcel
    @Aokimarcel Год назад +4

    You should make a mention on the poll in your most recent video. I usually watch on the PC and sometimes the community posts don't show up normally, so I miss most of them even though I'd love to contribute. And we can see the submissions are not as prevalent. Responses will go up if you mention the poll on your vid =)

  • @TheRhysOfAllTime
    @TheRhysOfAllTime Год назад +2

    Some points I wanted to share while watching:
    Jojo the fire bomber deserves to be in F. The problem with bombers is you can only have so many before you max out your team. This wasn't as much of a problem, due to their only being him, and two of the kobold bombers with bombs as normal element 4 stars, but he was still the worst. if you needed 3 bombers, for toa hard, then you could use him. Now that his brother has bombs, and there have been multiple 5 star families to get bombs, he will not be used over something else.
    Kunite the fire gargoyle is actually very useful to those starting to build towards tricaru, but missing some stats. You can build him with determination runes and make him the fastest, and he will not be teamed up with, so wont steal the icarus skill cooldowns. Wouldnt say he is anywhere above C tier tho, he is an aweful unit.
    Jarret the wind poison master is much worse than Mellia. He seems similar in that he does dots, but it isn't a passive, and his first skill is just a stun. Also, his third skill, an aoe 3 hit 80% 2 turn dot is ok, but mellia has a shorter cooldown on her aoe. Mellias is also a att bar reduce and spead break, whereas Jarrets is a stun.

  • @caseygutierrez5349
    @caseygutierrez5349 Год назад +1

    Big fan. I watch most of your videos. Every now and then, you are brainstorming content, and tier lists are a superb idea. You should do a series of just tier lists. Examples: 4 🌟 Siege, 4 🌟 RTA, 4 🌟 Arena, and last, but not least, 4 🌟 overall tier list. That gives you four videos of at least 15 to 20 minutes each. Be thorough. Then, you can do another four videos on 5 🌟 units. You might think we don't appreciate your expertise, but we do. Please consider doing these eight videos and thanks for all the content and entertainment you provide.

  • @defenderoftheway
    @defenderoftheway Год назад +3

    THANK YOU. Love seeing new tier lists. I have to say Garo is probly a SS unit. I almost never lose with my Garo fire twin teams both offense and defense. I use this team in area and again almost never lose. I built three teams and they plow through the 4 star towers. I know you knock Garo but he is amazing.

  • @simonpedneault8804
    @simonpedneault8804 Год назад +1

    RUclips master jubi... keep up the good work bud. You can also take vacation, we won't mind losing you for a week or two!

  • @sheep5757
    @sheep5757 Год назад +5

    14:52 He really wants his dark robo untouched it’s his baby😂. Dark Robo is strong in everything siege, arena, rta, lab, and Toa he doesn’t want him getting a nerf, GASLIGHTING US. (I would’ve done the same lol)

    • @Kevin.E.
      @Kevin.E. Год назад +1

      Dark Robo SSS coz won't Glancing hit 👍

  • @stateyournameplease
    @stateyournameplease Год назад +4

    I'm surprised to see Xiao Lin ranked so mid, she is so useful everywhere (especially rifts, at least back in the day). I'm still working on kro after tricaru tho...

  • @dread4353
    @dread4353 Год назад +3

    Light robo slaps with lushen on gwo and arena offense on hp/cd/hp his recent buff made it really good check it out

    • @cloudvii7777
      @cloudvii7777 Год назад +1

      Yeah.. I was shocked at this. As others have said, probs coz not everyone has/is aware.

  • @lostsoul566
    @lostsoul566 Год назад

    Damn this was actually very helpful, thanks bagel!

  • @pedromatos2631
    @pedromatos2631 Год назад +7

    How can Lushen be any less than S when most defenses are designed not to be lushened?

  • @cloudvii7777
    @cloudvii7777 Год назад

    Thank you for this, been playing a few years now and I keep randomly building 4* in the hope they are good. I now have some guidance

  • @Mommahonk
    @Mommahonk Год назад

    This was really useful! Thanks

  • @marielcarey4288
    @marielcarey4288 Год назад +3

    I think what really bumps up Ninjas is their busted speed leads, and Garo/Susano just have great kits in general.

    • @blazeking5778
      @blazeking5778 Год назад +1

      As does Han. Unlikely to Pull, but that boy dangerous.

  • @itzBandomas
    @itzBandomas Год назад

    My fire ninja has runes on it strictly for the akorma level in ToA(H) ha! I was so happy when I found out about that strat. It was the only level holding me back from finishing TOA for the longest time

  • @bartman7313
    @bartman7313 Год назад +1

    Why are tier list so satisfying 😂❤

  • @Hopps515
    @Hopps515 Год назад

    Love the content. My favorite is when you disagree and give us your take why

  • @CrimePaint
    @CrimePaint Год назад +1

    Kamiya(Dark nine tails) is a great counter for all the annoying counter-attackers. S2 sleeps an enemy without attacking so it doesn't proc counterattack passives. S3 is huge damage and irresistable stun on crit. I've been using her to deal with things like douglas, verde, water hbc and wind monkey. I would put her in S tier at minimum. Too bad Special League is disqualifying LDs. Back to storage she goes.

  • @forlifefire2
    @forlifefire2 Год назад

    I'm excited to see you utilize some samurai but that supreme skywolf nerve ouch.

  • @willow359
    @willow359 Год назад +1

    You mentioned water lich and water hypno meow as very underrated. Can you give an example of who you paired them with and what siege defense you attack with them?

  • @nimrodfilms5104
    @nimrodfilms5104 Год назад

    9:20 I do love my guarantied conditional turns.

  • @jaykirschbaum5513
    @jaykirschbaum5513 Год назад +2

    I think chasun fell off pretty hard when people figured out Fran, Loren, kro was good for guild wars/siege

  • @potxtoe
    @potxtoe Год назад

    I agree with you on most things except the dark robo bagel, that thing is hella strong SSS tier in my book.

  • @ignatandrei_
    @ignatandrei_ Год назад

    i personally love tier lists, best thing to watch while eating

  • @drwarpp8585
    @drwarpp8585 Год назад

    It's nice to know I have 8/9 of the triple sss units at 6* already.... All but that Kinki!

  • @demonslayer4951
    @demonslayer4951 9 месяцев назад +1

    Which one is better to awaken Fire magic knight or Water magic knight? These 2 are the only high tier in this list that I have.

  • @dasxter98
    @dasxter98 Год назад

    dark cockie its so crazy, i use him in cleave, and never, NEVER fail deff break, so OP

  • @99099
    @99099 Год назад

    Wind sam's crazy now, ya didn't have to do him so dirty man. Has the same skill as sekhmet but instead of reducing the cd of his own skills, he violent procs... And he does it alot, cuz you can go s3 proc sword of the supreme sky wolf, into s2 into proc passive, into s1 proc passive, into s2 proc passive back to s3 again. Crazy stuff.

  • @BladedArcher
    @BladedArcher Год назад

    I have both Briand and Fire Gargoyle built. Use both. They aren't as bad as people make them out to be. They aren't super high tier units but they are definitely usable.

  • @chype986
    @chype986 Год назад

    Sweet vid! Is there any way we can split up the tier list into pvp and pve for newer players?

  • @iamcool544
    @iamcool544 Год назад

    Yeah I didnt even know the community thing existed until I saw something randomly on my phone years after it came out. RUclips shoved shorts in my face but kept actual interaction hidden like gold

  • @Snowy_Yuki_X3
    @Snowy_Yuki_X3 Год назад +1

    tbh i would really love to get the wind choco knight because of his s3 which is very similar to megan s3 but with crit buff instead of def buff

  • @DnieL1090
    @DnieL1090 Год назад +1

    The thing about Molly is just not the glance and strip, it is that she also provides a 20% healing every turn, with a violent proc is basically half of the hp, and a shield every 2 turns... is so much if u put all this 4 support action together and even more if u bring another healer/support...

  • @Laura-it2zb
    @Laura-it2zb Год назад

    I did start the survey, didn't even get through fire, thinking how long this survey would take and ended by clearing what I had done. It will take less time for me to view Bagel's result vid than my participation.

  • @christopherfiore6820
    @christopherfiore6820 Год назад

    ... Fuco was my first 6 star and still my rep for all pve level grinding. He has 2 stages that can take him out through rng (my shit resistance) I guess the time for him to pull is more than anyone will take.

  • @crkTyphoon
    @crkTyphoon Год назад

    Aarang used to be a Premium GB10 Unit. could almost solo nuke the Giant with a good damage set. Now she has become completely useless because for what ever reason C2U also nerfed these girls, when they were already on the brink of existence.
    But I am surprised to see the Wind Madeleine Cookie that low. Because on a decent set, he can deal some damage himself too and he gives not too bad buffs + gauge either.
    okay 15% gauge is low, compared to other units, but he is not a bad unit, I think he deserves a little bit more credit than C..
    Dark Gargoyle and Phantomthief are btw REALLY good in 4* Special League!

  • @pokepelt
    @pokepelt Год назад

    Light gargoyle could pair well with the new free light Altair 🤔 provokes for days to stack dmg on Altair and garg can increase enemy cooldowns past max cooldown

  • @RealCaptainJaws
    @RealCaptainJaws 4 месяца назад

    Fire speed leads rank high because one gives enough speed for lower runed players to compete in guild offense using fire twins for example, and the other is a full-on tank with a regular shield and general speed lead.
    I have a few years of play time under my belt and only just this week pulled my first 5* speed lead.... water angels.... yay? :/

  • @claytoncmh
    @claytoncmh Год назад

    Probably wont be seen, but I would value your ranking on these mons. Perhaps if you also took the poll but your vote weighed more but not majority. Some way we can also get your thoughts.

  • @doro626
    @doro626 Год назад

    With the 9th anniversary event now, I have no idea who are the good and bad champions. Are you going to do a nat 5 one also?

  • @foxylady8828
    @foxylady8828 Год назад +1

    Abegail is an S tier! Who are these people voting? 😭😂😂😂😂

  • @dreadheadgaming3076
    @dreadheadgaming3076 Год назад

    Ty very much bagel but plz say that this a pvp mainly list 😉 I kno community list but unless stated yur lists have mainly been pve 🖤🖤. Not a huge deal I just was lil confused. No mention of any dungeons etc.😢. Ty for the great vid as always ✌🏿

  • @xandercivinskas3884
    @xandercivinskas3884 8 месяцев назад

    Would love an updated list with new nat 4s and balance patches

  • @steven9496
    @steven9496 Год назад

    Dammit I came back after like 4 years and I have that F tier Lich built. LOL. Good video

  • @edward.scissor.fing..2776
    @edward.scissor.fing..2776 Год назад

    I suggest building a wind harg they’re definitely a higher B tier imo

  • @christopherfiore6820
    @christopherfiore6820 Год назад

    ... 😄 Fuco was my first 6 star. Still my rep, he pulls every stage solo for leveling. I know, I'm weird.

  • @quinnpeters6695
    @quinnpeters6695 Год назад +1

    Can you go over all your accounts would love an overview to see them

  • @gillesh.9405
    @gillesh.9405 Год назад

    I started 12 days ago and am now well progressed, thx for this. Was surprised to see Galleon SSS alone at the top? I noticed I have one lvl 1 in my vault, is he worth building? For what content?

  • @filtrophobe5493
    @filtrophobe5493 Год назад

    Wind robo being SSS and wind jack o being A really shows how RTA skewed these tier lists tend to be. Windy is arguably more influential in G3 siege than Robo is in RTA

    • @levcharsw6074
      @levcharsw6074 Год назад

      Ppl watch more rta content but I do agree with wind robo being sss but windy should be at ss because the only area windy kinda lacks is rta but not by much its perspective I see this tier list as lower rank players weigh in on what they believe to be good and starts to make sense

  • @onlyred2
    @onlyred2 Год назад

    So I pulled a Sabrina (water boomerang girl) and the wind one, should I build them? Thanks

  • @old-school3805
    @old-school3805 Год назад

    is there a tier list of PVE only, also a best lnd 5* starter tier list?

  • @jimbob1103
    @jimbob1103 Год назад

    I can't believe I forgot about Garo vs Akroma I just beat that level after like 30 tries of other things I thought would work. I could have just got the Chloe down and then auto ed argh.

  • @alexschmalex3468
    @alexschmalex3468 Год назад

    Pls make a poll and change the list on your terms so it makes sense to me to watch it :D

  • @shawnthornton454
    @shawnthornton454 Год назад

    Surprised light chun li only SS. If you are C2 arena, she is instant G-1 as long as you have one decent swift set for eshir. Amazing in siege offense as well. Great in special league rta, got me G1 there. She's great for speed toa. Amazing farmer (few mons can farm hell on the entire map in under 25s, and faimon in 10s). So many uses, OP.

  • @brianrich7828
    @brianrich7828 Год назад +1

    More realistic:
    SSS Tier:Tablo,Liu Mei.
    SS:Lushen,Dark Robo,Iliana,Iris.
    S: Dark Sniper,Kaki,Dark Trevor,Light Trevor.
    Those at least needed to be changed. People are smoking.

    • @reubiz12
      @reubiz12 Год назад +1

      Dark sniper, really.isnt carcano better in every way?

  • @hextonic9948
    @hextonic9948 Год назад +1

    bagle alwase says molly isn't that good. she's just good if you don't have her.. then he proceeds to use her in almost every video XD

  • @mahimchowdhury254
    @mahimchowdhury254 3 месяца назад +1

    Whats does nat-4 mean

  • @afifltf
    @afifltf Год назад

    so, who should i take for dragon and giant b10?
    I have Alicia,verad,karnal,amelia and dominic

  • @luckyowl10
    @luckyowl10 Год назад

    it's weird, I never see your community posts in feed of at subscriptions feed, it seems algorithms always dodges your posts, even when subscribed

  • @trevorhaugen4988
    @trevorhaugen4988 Год назад

    Water lich is also usable in rta. Mine has a nice win rate just can't force pick him

  • @DiegoLeonardoAl
    @DiegoLeonardoAl Год назад

    I guess some people use garo in siege (garo raoq verde - garo khali draco) not in high level but is usable sometimes

  • @blazeking5778
    @blazeking5778 Год назад

    Fudge on Vio/Rev is busted imo. I mean, Vamp/Rev is good for him too, but it's beautiful when those debuffs hit lol. I rune him SPD/HP/HP with speed and accuracy in subs.

  • @brandongeorge6316
    @brandongeorge6316 Год назад +1

    Wind Eivor is great for giants. B is fine.

  • @bangatrooper6924
    @bangatrooper6924 Год назад

    Garo is used alot in low level siege so that makes sense

  • @Der_Malek
    @Der_Malek Год назад

    Could u try a siege combo where u use einheri , psamathe and light robo where the light robo is the fastest followed by psa and then einheri.

    • @Der_Malek
      @Der_Malek Год назад

      Id do it but psamathe is missing on my acc

  • @icey8545
    @icey8545 Год назад +1

    yes, rigel is pretty good, but the rune requirements are insanely high... never managed to rune him properly to do what hes supposed to do+ survive

    • @levcharsw6074
      @levcharsw6074 Год назад

      Rigel doesn't have high rune requirements u don't need cd spd cr hp atk and def in subs is fine u barely need speed anymore u can add more thru arts or acc ur choice he is pretty ez to build nowadays

    • @icey8545
      @icey8545 Год назад

      @@levcharsw6074 what even is your comment dude💀

    • @levcharsw6074
      @levcharsw6074 Год назад

      @@icey8545 rigel is ez to build

    • @icey8545
      @icey8545 Год назад

      @@levcharsw6074 i dont know which game you are playing, sorry

    • @levcharsw6074
      @levcharsw6074 Год назад

      @@icey8545 🤣🤣🤣🤣 bro I'm g1 rta g1 arena g1 siege been playing for 5 years I'm sure I know what I am talking about

  • @mager74200
    @mager74200 Год назад

    Kinda funny how I haven't touched this game in over 2 years and the OG units are still S-tier and there almost no new units above A-tier.

  • @darthtrinath2752
    @darthtrinath2752 Год назад

    Hard disagree with the placement of Sige. Even before the buff he was a top tier cleave unit, and amazing in Light Beast

  • @ChaseMayHEM219
    @ChaseMayHEM219 Год назад

    watching this at 2am and the balance patch drops... lol

  • @GRAYLI3N
    @GRAYLI3N Год назад

    I guess my Gin works because I would put him up there with some of the best LD 4’s. Now that I have Pontos, just wait for 20 star special league. Edit: I’m also not that high on dark robo. I don’t think mine works so it balances out I guess.

  • @lionoilion
    @lionoilion Год назад

    Im here for the fact that you dont know that the nisha strip is 100% chance to happen, it does not fail and I wonder why people arent talking about her more

  • @phantomfade02
    @phantomfade02 Год назад

    We Need a Fire Joker Video Bagel!!!

  • @SirKingZ21
    @SirKingZ21 Год назад

    Balancing dev note is up just waiting for the vid 🤣

  • @zaleww5824
    @zaleww5824 Год назад

    Basically anything are and above A are good, B tier is like "I mean he/she does ____ but still..." and below are mostly unusable. There is some exceptions but C tier is niche units and D and below are dogsheet

  • @TorterraX1
    @TorterraX1 Год назад +1

    Tyron should be SSS and Galleon SS. Tyron can be used in all pvp and most pve but Galleon doesn't provide enough for pve anymore.

  • @austingroves2920
    @austingroves2920 Год назад

    2:14 our poll 😂😅😂

  • @creeeamy7133
    @creeeamy7133 Год назад

    I aint gonna lie, Jojo is absolutely F tier. He's usable if you want a horrendously gimped bomber .
    His bombs do squat, his S1 is eh, and he doesn't bring dots, he brings a SINGULAR DOT on his S3. His whole S3 is just a single AoE dot and it's on 4 turns of cooldown. He's less bomber and more delayed stun unit with a 4 turn cooldown to apply 1 dot.

  • @cyjayrodriguez1108
    @cyjayrodriguez1108 Год назад

    Who's better tho: Kaki or Lushen?

  • @johnnnn666
    @johnnnn666 Год назад

    Magic dice water very good bro

  • @elegantwizard9670
    @elegantwizard9670 Год назад

    Molly going from SSS to D tier in one patch lol.

  • @reno1042
    @reno1042 Год назад

    I vote for more polls!

  • @ShosuCeladon
    @ShosuCeladon Год назад

    For the people who voted Lanett C tier... I have some questions.

  • @anewfuture
    @anewfuture Год назад

    People weight different areas of the game differently. You probably mostly give weight to rta, but some people do not do rta at all.
    For example, I own Giana. I don't use Giana. For me, she is like C tier. I'm sure she is amazing in rta, but I don't care about rta. About the only place I use her is a toa hell stage where everyone starts with a buff.

  • @somelettersandnumbers
    @somelettersandnumbers Год назад

    I was about to build wind blade dancer just cause spd based atk+ def ignore

  • @fearclan5913
    @fearclan5913 Год назад

    oh jeeeeeez as a siege player it hurts my eye😐 only NPCs voted in the poll or what?

  • @J.T.25
    @J.T.25 Год назад

    Bagel asks for community tier list, then spends 19 mins telling you why you are wrong

  • @jukejukewacko2100
    @jukejukewacko2100 Год назад

    Any news of a upcoming anniversary

  • @MrWhasuuuuuup
    @MrWhasuuuuuup Год назад

    Why dark isabella B tier ? im low level but my isabelle can deal high damage to carry me a lot of content.

  • @cmecu_seemeseeyou9330
    @cmecu_seemeseeyou9330 Год назад

    When I say his name I call him Verde-Squeal...:D

  • @Ruus1964
    @Ruus1964 4 месяца назад

    can you do an updated one? :D

  • @jaqu9001
    @jaqu9001 Год назад

    nah dark robo is definitely triple S over martina, he's more useful than she is in most content and he's a top 10 monster in RTA. but he will probably be nerfed in this BP or the one after.