How does the AF compare to the previous models in terms of confidence when pulling from one subject to another? I ask as they've switched from hybrid PDAF + CDAF to contrast-based AF alone. Does it overshoot or wobble when the subject distance changes, like in a product showcase? Thanks!
The product showcase is bad. It uses a small center box and forces it vs the big frame on the Z-V1. So it's constantly wobbling between your chin, chest, nose, etc. Do not recommend that mode on this camera. Eye detection works well. Moving from one object to another by panning or moving focus point is decently smooth and more confident than competing contrast systems, but it's not perfect and there is some hesitation and overshooting. But that product showcase mode is so bad on this camera. If you watch DPReview's video around the 8 minute mark, you can see what I mean.
This is nothing like the ZV-1, it is trash, a money grab from the dumb. Its prays on people that want to tic toc/ youtube shorts. when your phone is way better. Shame on Sony , another money grab.
The auto focus is trash it sucks. The review is way to nice, he is kissing Sony ass for whatever reason. WHY??? He should have been more honest... Honest is what youtubers need to be, not spokes people for the Camera companies... Stop ripping off the people watching your content. Shame... At least he said at end to use your phone. But not enough of the truth. They took everything out that made the ZV-1 GOOD. Esp. Auto-Focus/Stab. Shame on Sony. Shame. Do not even think of buyingb this trash. They need to make the X3000 with a better mic, way cheaper. That is what people want. Fun, and cameera that works amazing. They KNOW THIS ALREADY !!!
I honestly think that whoever decides to upgrade from a Smart Phone to a Point and shoot camera as the sony will definitely pick the ZV-1 over the ZV-1F . Even if it is cheaper I doubt it will be an appeal for many people in 2022/2023. It is already outdated and it doesn't offer enough, Sony should've worked on improving the zv-1 not limiting it .
I think one of the biggest niches for this camera is people who don't want to use or can't use their phone for vlogging. If you need to make sure your phone has battery for maps and plane tickets, this makes sense.
I'm still easing into what my iPhone 14 Pro is capable of...but after watching you guys today, I finally tried the fraont facing cam in Cinematic mode and it just blew my mind. I've got damn near 20 cameras in my office ranging from a lowly Insta360 Go 2, all the way up to my ZV-1, G9, S5...and what you can do with just a phone, I just can't wrap my head around it. A true full-frame camera will always be better, but for that one thing that fits in your pocket... ...just wow.
Same story 20 cameras. saw the promis of 14 pro max with new selfi camera and felt that it could be my new go-to, ultra convenient selfie video camera. Just warming up but its proving to work out that way. PLUS i have the DJI Mic and the IOS adaptor on the 14 pro is... killer
This is easily the worst camera Sony have released in a long time. You can’t use it handheld without it becoming unusable and they’ve removed their terrific autofocus system to give it contrast only. If you are saving $250 getting this over the Z-V1 then my suggestion is save up that extra money and just buy a grip that lets you hold it out a bit further. This is such a wasted opportunity.
Philip our soft voiced, long form review god, Laur and myself are waiting for your FX30 review with greater anticipation than we had for Amazon's Rings of Power, not that that is difficult. I told him it's probably too similar to the FX3 and there's not enough newness for a review here, but he hopes. He's the optimistic kind. He'll be in the forest tonight performing dark magic, sacrificing a zucchini (big vegetable lover) for your review of the FX30
They are still selling the RX100 mk3 which are terrific. Ok, don't have mic input or selfie screen, but in all other aspects a WAY better product, and mostly for less money.
@@daniel635biturbo it’s a better camera but a different product though. The ZV cameras are specifically sold as vlogging cameras. The Rx100 V was the best one they’ve made.
@@philipbloom Yes, I agree. I've got the mkII with the MI hot shoe. Imagine, MI hot shoe, view finder, 3,5 jack, viewfinder and a 18-50 lens. A best of RX100 series with a vlog lens. 😂
In these days on Amazon there was the Sony ZV-E10 at 699€. With 200€ there is a huge difference. In my opinion is better to keep the smartphone and not waste 500€ on this new ZV-1F. And if you want to level up just try the ZV-E10 with 200€ more. Anyway great review as always 😁
This is an excellent video. I'm not a camera guru, I ran my channel off Samsung phones until I got the Sony ZV-1. I just bought a 2nd ZV-1 and was debating on getting this as a 3rd camera for my setup. Also, I have recently been watching Gerald's funnier videos, it's fascinating to see him go back to pure camera nerd stuff.
I have the ZV-1F- I honestly feel like the video and picture quality is better than my iPhone 14 pro, I love that it has wider lens, and I can create TikToks and reels with it so easily. I rarely use the back camera of my iPhone if I’m doing anything vlog style, because I like to look at myself and know that I’m in the frame while I’m filming, so with that, it’s much easier to film with it. Also taking selfies is also easier with it, again for the wider lens and better quality camera than the front iPhone camera. I just think it has a very specific market
lol the reason it's hated is because people with zv-1's thought it was supposed to be a zv-1 upgrade. It's literally half the cost of the zv-1 mark ii - For it's price point, it's great...these early zv-1f videos are all cap - the zv-1f is still better than a 15 pro.
Gerald… you NEED to do more phone camera reviews. These are the most honest reviews of those cameras I’ve ever seen, and they aren’t even the focus on the video.
I have the ZV-1 and the Iphone 13 pro max as well as the Sony Xperia 5IV plus the Fujifilm Xt-30ii with the 35mm 1.4 lens. I can definately say that the real dedicated cameras like ZV-1 are much better in video quality compared to the smartphones mentioned. The APS-C sensored Fuji gives even better video quality then the Sony ZV-1 but the ZV-1 makes really good vides with a very nice AF. The internal stabilizer is not really good but the ZV-1 creates a Bokeh in video footage and the smartphones can hardly do that which is a huge difference. You can create a little bokeh in the iphone with the Tele Lens buts its minor. To the ZV-1F, i would not want to loose the zoom lens because sometimes i do amazon reviews and i need to zoom in on the table while the camera is on a tripod. Like i mentioned the stabilizer of the ZV-1 was not really good, so the ZV-1F is even worse. The Tripod mount Problem of the ZV-1 blocking the battery door can be solved with a half case from small rig for example.
LOST was great when it originally aired, and I watched it all again with my GF who had never seen it about 3 months ago. She loved it too. Much older now and that finale hits harder 🥹
@@SoulSearchingLG Lost understood that a finale needs to complete the characters' arcs and give the audience an opportunity to say goodbye. It nailed that. The audience wanted to know the mechanics of how the island did magic stuff, but like any good magic trick, there is little satisfaction in revealing the method. Desmond episodes rule.
iOS Moment App helps with alot of the frustrations with phone such as locking exposure, monitoring audio, setting gain, and picture profiles. Really wish iPhone would allow monitoring with AirPods but record with external mic as unplugging the mic to review a recorded segment gets SUPER annoying very fast.
In a studio situation it would be heavily adviced to use the back cameras of the phones. And you can use some TV or some screen to monitor your recording.
Thank y'all for this review! I'm a professional artist who does realism pencil/charcoal drawings and watercolor paintings. I'm currently looking at the Pixel 7 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro to use for talking head videos/time lapse videos of my artwork for RUclips. I'm still indecisive, but leaning towards the Pixel 7 Pro because of it's color accuracy. However, I plan to use the back camera of the phone. If y'all or anyone has any helpful input for me, I would greatly appreciate it!
I think the new ZV-1F has a lot of potential mainly in less developed countries where products are way more expensive, here in Brazil for example the ZV-1 is awesome but so much expensive that only a few RUclipsrs and content creators actually buy it, most people are just using phones and not even high end devices, also lens are even more expensive.. You can pretty much keep saving half of the year just to buy lenses, meanwhile in countries like US/EU where tech products are easier to buy then the camera maybe will not perform that good in sales.
The biggest ISSUE with the zv1-f is the stabilization and rolling shutter. From the youtube commercials I have seen you would need to run everything that's not shot on a tripod thru Catalyst Browser. Not worth it. When this camera is released to the non-sponsered folks its going to be destroyed. When Sony can give us GoPro Stab in a 1-inch sensor that will be the bomb...
It is interesting that the zv1f is less usable as a vloging camera and more useable as a streaming camera. The one reason I like my zv1 over my iPhone is that the video and photos are more consistent. I was always battling picture to picture changes when doing stop motion on the iPhone which is much better with the zv1 due to better manual controls.
Clearly cameras at $500 will disappear in a year or two as phones continue to improve. I expect the technical prowess of the Samsung S23 to be incredible, officially sounding the death knell of “budget” point and shoot cameras
disagree - ill tell you why - I don't want to use my phone as a dedicated camera. I want it available as my phone all the time. 2 - 1k+ phones doesn't make sense over a $500 camera with objectively better image quality.
If only an 18-50 lens of f2.8 or higher had been included, the evaluation of this camera would have been very different. But the problem is that it is a 20mm prime lens. It's an entry-level camera, but beginners have already experienced zoom, albeit digital zoom, on their smartphones. Beginners buying this camera without any knowledge will be the first to know that some cameras do not have zoom.
Especially now as the rear lenses are now being used by Apple and app developers as the primary camera for content creation, not the front facing camera.
I hate that the industry is headed towards micro content. Got Cinmematographer degrees but the only thing my entire team is doing is reels! This camera makes zero sense to me and so does 90% of people's approach towards content creation.
It would be interesting to compare ZV-1F with the Xperia Pro-I, which has a cropped 1-inch sensor, a headphone jack, and can mount an external display.
They really need to give these camera's some IBIS, even if it raises the price. Also I wonder how the 1080p quality is, because it's probably a significantly better camera just shooting in 1080p if it improves the rolling shutter performance.
I wish you had done the sponsor read with zv1f, iPhone, Pixel, and your regular setup in the studio. I would also like to see "what is the max performance we can get from the phone" using Filmic Pro on iPhone or mcpro24fps on Android
Appreciate the testing. This is exactly what I'm looking for. The phone camera has been updating so fast and I was not sure when it makes sense for me to upgrade to a camera for image, video shooting and live streaming.
*The iPhone 12 can be a great Vlogging camera.* So can the 10, 9, 8, etc. People need to stop buying every new thing that gets dropped, and just shoot! Also homie on the right, just sitting there looks so uncomfortable, not sure who this dude is, but it made the whole video awkward.
Keep in mind (in Canada), the iPhone 14 pro is over double the price of the Sony. Are you buying the iPhone 14 pro over a cheaper phone JUST for the camera? Then it's essentially paying more for the iPhone camera than a Sony camera. Just something to consider. Overall the iPhone IS more versatile
Been using DSLR for my photography. Recently, I discovered that iPad Air (4th generation) takes excellent shots of any landscape (daylight only). So, I combined my photography, either with a DSLR or iPad Air. iPhone picture had lower quality compares to iPad shot. So, I carry a DSLR camera and an iPad Air.
Regarding that jittery wobble: You can even see that perfectly at 20:37 - The light bars are jittering all over the place. Looks like the stabilization (optical or digital) is kicking in way too hard to compensate for " shaky hand".
"Use your phone" is not really a good advice in my opinion. Not everyone owns the latest iPhone or Pixel phone, and therefore the difference between the ZV-1F and their smartphone is greater, thus creating a need to have a dedicated camera for youtube and vlogging.
I think the advice applies to the last few generations of phones though, like we say in the video. It's not just the latest phones that outperform in these regards.
Only you dare to tell about the wobbly issue of this camera to the audience. Most of the other content creators are hiding it🙁 I think it has the same issue of zve10
Regarding the Pixel and it's facial issues. They've marketed it as a camera that captures people of color more accurately. Well, the issue for people of color is contrast and dynamic range, so it appears that the Pixel is using some facial dynamic range algorithm that's smoothing and brightening faces. That's my guess. If I'm right, they could make this a setting that can be adjusted or even toggled off, helping darker and fairer skinned people.
you should check out sony 's phone. it comes with a secondary screen so you can use your main camera and have a viewfinder on back. also it's supposed to be much natural looking
I wonder how the stabilization would look when run through Gyroflow, since that allows you to dial in the rolling shutter correction and stabilization options better than Catalyst Browse. Note that Gyroflow isn't for the average user since it's an extra post-processing step, but it does allow for better results.
I am pretty sure it records the gyro data, but that rolling shutter jello is something really bad, it looks like a footage from 50 bucks keychain camera.
@@georgitushev It does record the gyro data (I have a ZV1 and use it with Gyroflow a lot!), so in theory Gyroflow should be able to fix the jello completely, even the super bad keychain camera jello seen here! I just like seeing test results to confirm the "in theory" claims :)
@Gerald, @Patrick, Here’s the math for the ZV-1 crop: (Credits: Peter Trub and Over-X-poser comments on Kasey’s video + my comments/clean up). UltraHD 24p crop: 1.094 Active stabilization: 1.185 Combined: 1.094 x 1.185 = 1.29639 ZV-1 sensor size: 13.2mm x 8.8mm FF sensor size: 36mm x 24mm Crop factor for ZV-1 to FF (ff/ZV-1): 36/13.2 = 24/8.8 = 2.727 ZV-1 Crop with 24p + active stabilization: 9.4mm x 1.29639 x 2.727 = 33.2mm FF-equivalent 25.7mm x 1.29639 x 2.727 = 90.9mm FF-equivalent So for 0.45x wide angle adapter from Zomei, you get: 33.2mm x 0.45 = 14.94mm FF-equivalent 90.9mm x 0.45 = 40.905mm FF-equivalent So for 0.75x wide angle adapter from Ulanzi, you get: 33.2mm x 0.75 = 24.9mm FF-equivalent 90.9mm x 0.75 = 68.179mm FF-equivalent You also have the new Neewer Wide Angle Lens with Macro + Extension Tube or the Gixmon UX-Tube Wide Angle Lens with Macro + Extension Tube
I think the pixel 7 needs to upgrade the ultrawide sensor, improve low light performance, and straighten out the camera software stability. The xiaomi 12s ultra has much better low light but poor color balance in many scenarios. Thanks so much for this detailed review
I think we're at a crucial moment where the phones need to feature a stronger camera game because phones are already so much better. Battery life is way better for phones. The lens are way better for cameras. That's literally all you have so it's just a matter of adding a better lens to the phone somehow. I'm willing to accept a bitter camera bump. Not sure about others.
I got mine 4 days ago. Great 2nd camera. My Canon Vixia G40 is good, but it doesn't do the BOKEH thing well. (Depth of field, blurry background)The Sony ZV-1F does it very well. Great little camera for tight sets. It takes a 40.5 mm filter, so use a variable ND filter on those bright days. I mounted mine on a camera grip bar. On the top of the grip is a hot shoe. That's were the mic went. This camera is made in Thailand NOT CHINA. I am trying NOT to buy from China, a communist country. Great video guys! Are yous guys in Canada?
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I think ZV is not for people who has 1000usd phone. In Poland, EU Sony cost 2999 PLN and Iphone14 PRO 7199 PLN. So ZV could be great update over 400USD android phone and I think that is what Sony is going for.
I really wish Google had tried harder at video from the beginning - i.e. Nexus5X/6P. They waited over half a decade to finally start working at it and it shows. Not unlike the Google's re-use of the ancient camera sensors from the 1-5a though, so the slow-walking optics is very on-brand for Google.
The mushy appearance on the edges of the face is due to the averaging for the purpose of noise removal which even becomes more profound if you use the extreme zoom on iPhone 14 pro. Prolly mathematically speaking the resolution decreases on zoom which can be the cause for this but it appearance apple has not caught this issue on their radar.
Based on this I can just say that if you are going to spend money on upgrading your vlogging setup, you would be better off spending more money on apps and accessories for your existing phone before skipping the ZV-1F and going straight for the ZV-1 or ZV-E10.
I love the video! I think you are the most honest tech/camera youtuber from all of those who did reviews of this camera. I would love to see you doing a battle between the Sony ZV-1F and Nikon Z30 maybe you can add even the ZV-E10. I know they are not the same type of cameras but I think it would be cool. I wanna see if the Nikon camera has better stabilization and built-in mic compared to the Sony ones. Btw..will Canon ever release a G7X Mark 4? ✌😉❤
It's hilarious how phones have been trying to become "proper cameras" for ages and now "proper cameras" are trying to be more like phone cameras with fixed lenses, wider FoV, computational photography etc.
I can’t believe he didn’t include Sony Xperia 1V in this conversation? I’ve been using that phone against iPhone 14pro. And I can tell you there is no comparison. Sony phone camera is at another level.
According to dxomark test on 7 pro that soft look you get is because of the distance you hold it from your face. It works better farther away in their test.
I think a video showing how to use a phone with bright and low light might be useful to people who are consisting this purchase. That way they can see how you got to the conclusion that you came to.
I came to the same conclusion - Phone is better all around, after reading that they had released it. It's a $200 savings (street) off the much more capable ZV1 (optical zoom, ND filters, etc) and the ZV1 is providing what cell phones do not. The F model, well, they took those advantages away and now it's not worth getting the camera over a phone.
@@unwelcomemotivation Several years after the ZV-1 was introduced, and with the ZV-2 already on the market, the ZV-1 still costs $649 new at B&H. The ZV-1F could save you $200, (not half) but more importantly it takes away optical zoom, ND and other key physical features that, for some, are worth that $200. I'm not acting like $200 is nothing, just like the optical zoom, ND filter, etc are also not nothing. It's clear where the cost savings came from.
@@IEBATechThoughts huh? Like I said, that's almost 50% of the value of the product. It's not "just 200" especially when the zv-1f is 400 dollars RIGHT now. You don't just double the value of a civic and say get a bmw for just "20k" more lol
My initial reply that you're complaining about was made over a year ago. Go check the prices I was referring to that were available back then. You can't look at prices today, and then tell me my comment about prices, from a year ago, doesn't make sense. That said. Current price on B&H for the ZV-1, just the camera, is $648 Current price of the ZV-1F, - "With holiday savings of $113" is $400 - Regularly $511. Are you pointing to a 1-week sale, at one retailer, to complain about my comment about pricing, form a YEAR AGO?
@@IEBATechThoughts yes, yes I am. the zv-1 certainly wasn't 648 a year ago, but go off, hypocrite. America isn't the only country in the world - the zv-1 is 999 on SALE for 899 in canada vs the zv-1f at 659 on sale for 549...which might make it make more sense for ya.
How does the AF compare to the previous models in terms of confidence when pulling from one subject to another? I ask as they've switched from hybrid PDAF + CDAF to contrast-based AF alone. Does it overshoot or wobble when the subject distance changes, like in a product showcase? Thanks!
The product showcase is bad. It uses a small center box and forces it vs the big frame on the Z-V1. So it's constantly wobbling between your chin, chest, nose, etc. Do not recommend that mode on this camera. Eye detection works well. Moving from one object to another by panning or moving focus point is decently smooth and more confident than competing contrast systems, but it's not perfect and there is some hesitation and overshooting. But that product showcase mode is so bad on this camera. If you watch DPReview's video around the 8 minute mark, you can see what I mean.
they didnt send u one this time? hmmm
Contrast only? That explains it’s poor performance here.
This is nothing like the ZV-1, it is trash, a money grab from the dumb. Its prays on people that want to tic toc/ youtube shorts. when your phone is way better. Shame on Sony , another money grab.
The auto focus is trash it sucks. The review is way to nice, he is kissing Sony ass for whatever reason. WHY??? He should have been more honest... Honest is what youtubers need to be, not spokes people for the Camera companies... Stop ripping off the people watching your content. Shame... At least he said at end to use your phone. But not enough of the truth. They took everything out that made the ZV-1 GOOD. Esp. Auto-Focus/Stab. Shame on Sony. Shame. Do not even think of buyingb this trash. They need to make the X3000 with a better mic, way cheaper. That is what people want. Fun, and cameera that works amazing. They KNOW THIS ALREADY !!!
I honestly think that whoever decides to upgrade from a Smart Phone to a Point and shoot camera as the sony will definitely pick the ZV-1 over the ZV-1F . Even if it is cheaper I doubt it will be an appeal for many people in 2022/2023. It is already outdated and it doesn't offer enough, Sony should've worked on improving the zv-1 not limiting it .
My ZV1 is surely better with the inbuilt ND filter and variable focal length
@@sandeepmortal I shot quite few of my YT videos with the zv1
yeah like there is not even ZOOM on this new sony wtf? same price phones have telephoto lenses nowadays
@@ikuma8291 yep it just makes it even closer competitor to the smartphones that people already have and thus no one would buy it
very true, there's no reason to buy a P&S if it doesn't offer features that you don't get on a phone
I think one of the biggest niches for this camera is people who don't want to use or can't use their phone for vlogging. If you need to make sure your phone has battery for maps and plane tickets, this makes sense.
YES that’s exactly why I want the ZV-F lol
I'm still easing into what my iPhone 14 Pro is capable of...but after watching you guys today, I finally tried the fraont facing cam in Cinematic mode and it just blew my mind. I've got damn near 20 cameras in my office ranging from a lowly Insta360 Go 2, all the way up to my ZV-1, G9, S5...and what you can do with just a phone, I just can't wrap my head around it. A true full-frame camera will always be better, but for that one thing that fits in your pocket...
...just wow.
Oh I know what you mean 🤣I was blown away too and now I use it for mostly my video too on 14pro max !
Same story 20 cameras. saw the promis of 14 pro max with new selfi camera and felt that it could be my new go-to, ultra convenient selfie video camera. Just warming up but its proving to work out that way. PLUS i have the DJI Mic and the IOS adaptor on the 14 pro is... killer
This is easily the worst camera Sony have released in a long time. You can’t use it handheld without it becoming unusable and they’ve removed their terrific autofocus system to give it contrast only.
If you are saving $250 getting this over the Z-V1 then my suggestion is save up that extra money and just buy a grip that lets you hold it out a bit further.
This is such a wasted opportunity.
Philip our soft voiced, long form review god, Laur and myself are waiting for your FX30 review with greater anticipation than we had for Amazon's Rings of Power, not that that is difficult. I told him it's probably too similar to the FX3 and there's not enough newness for a review here, but he hopes. He's the optimistic kind. He'll be in the forest tonight performing dark magic, sacrificing a zucchini (big vegetable lover) for your review of the FX30
Like i've been saying, all I wanted was a zv1 with a slightly wider lens. That's the only upgrade I wanted.
They are still selling the RX100 mk3 which are terrific.
Ok, don't have mic input or selfie screen, but in all other aspects a WAY better product, and mostly for less money.
@@daniel635biturbo it’s a better camera but a different product though. The ZV cameras are specifically sold as vlogging cameras. The Rx100 V was the best one they’ve made.
@@philipbloom Yes, I agree.
I've got the mkII with the MI hot shoe.
Imagine, MI hot shoe, view finder, 3,5 jack, viewfinder and a 18-50 lens.
A best of RX100 series with a vlog lens. 😂
In these days on Amazon there was the Sony ZV-E10 at 699€. With 200€ there is a huge difference.
In my opinion is better to keep the smartphone and not waste 500€ on this new ZV-1F. And if you want to level up just try the ZV-E10 with 200€ more.
Anyway great review as always 😁
yup especially if you already have some lens. I use my full frame sony 14mm on my zv e10
THe ZV-E10 doesnt come with lenses tho, so you have to spend a few hundret
@@celestial_78 a the 699€ deal there was the kit lens 16-50mm...
@@ASVideo ... and including VAT (AKA sales tax) as usual in Europe.
@@axelvetter yes. Final price! So really not very interesting for no one at this price this new camera.
This is an excellent video. I'm not a camera guru, I ran my channel off Samsung phones until I got the Sony ZV-1. I just bought a 2nd ZV-1 and was debating on getting this as a 3rd camera for my setup.
Also, I have recently been watching Gerald's funnier videos, it's fascinating to see him go back to pure camera nerd stuff.
I have the ZV-1F- I honestly feel like the video and picture quality is better than my iPhone 14 pro, I love that it has wider lens, and I can create TikToks and reels with it so easily. I rarely use the back camera of my iPhone if I’m doing anything vlog style, because I like to look at myself and know that I’m in the frame while I’m filming, so with that, it’s much easier to film with it. Also taking selfies is also easier with it, again for the wider lens and better quality camera than the front iPhone camera.
I just think it has a very specific market
lol the reason it's hated is because people with zv-1's thought it was supposed to be a zv-1 upgrade. It's literally half the cost of the zv-1 mark ii - For it's price point, it's great...these early zv-1f videos are all cap - the zv-1f is still better than a 15 pro.
Glad to see two of my favorite camera channels getting together. I’m happy with my ZV-1 with the wide angle lens adapter.
Gerald… you NEED to do more phone camera reviews. These are the most honest reviews of those cameras I’ve ever seen, and they aren’t even the focus on the video.
I have the ZV-1 and the Iphone 13 pro max as well as the Sony Xperia 5IV plus the Fujifilm Xt-30ii with the 35mm 1.4 lens. I can definately say that the real dedicated cameras like ZV-1 are much better in video quality compared to the smartphones mentioned. The APS-C sensored Fuji gives even better video quality then the Sony ZV-1 but the ZV-1 makes really good vides with a very nice AF. The internal stabilizer is not really good but the ZV-1 creates a Bokeh in video footage and the smartphones can hardly do that which is a huge difference. You can create a little bokeh in the iphone with the Tele Lens buts its minor. To the ZV-1F, i would not want to loose the zoom lens because sometimes i do amazon reviews and i need to zoom in on the table while the camera is on a tripod. Like i mentioned the stabilizer of the ZV-1 was not really good, so the ZV-1F is even worse. The Tripod mount Problem of the ZV-1 blocking the battery door can be solved with a half case from small rig for example.
okay lets do this again but we just talk about how LOST has aged like fine wine since the finale in 2010
LOST was great when it originally aired, and I watched it all again with my GF who had never seen it about 3 months ago. She loved it too. Much older now and that finale hits harder 🥹
@@SoulSearchingLG Lost understood that a finale needs to complete the characters' arcs and give the audience an opportunity to say goodbye. It nailed that.
The audience wanted to know the mechanics of how the island did magic stuff, but like any good magic trick, there is little satisfaction in revealing the method.
Desmond episodes rule.
Finale was good. I will die on that hill.
One of the only honest reviews I’ve seen on this, pick the phone everyday
Finally people who actually know things about cameras and colors reviewing these things.
I think the off-centre 1/4 mount is because this camera is designed to be used with the shooting handle :)
iOS Moment App helps with alot of the frustrations with phone such as locking exposure, monitoring audio, setting gain, and picture profiles. Really wish iPhone would allow monitoring with AirPods but record with external mic as unplugging the mic to review a recorded segment gets SUPER annoying very fast.
But on the iPhone 14 are you using the front-facing camera? It really looks like it. I use my watch for the screen and the rear camera.
In a studio situation it would be heavily adviced to use the back cameras of the phones. And you can use some TV or some screen to monitor your recording.
the apple watch can be a small portable monitor.. attach it to the back of your iphone.
Thank y'all for this review! I'm a professional artist who does realism pencil/charcoal drawings and watercolor paintings. I'm currently looking at the Pixel 7 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro to use for talking head videos/time lapse videos of my artwork for RUclips. I'm still indecisive, but leaning towards the Pixel 7 Pro because of it's color accuracy. However, I plan to use the back camera of the phone. If y'all or anyone has any helpful input for me, I would greatly appreciate it!
There is a "skin-smoothing" feature in the pixel camera settings, but if that gets turned on automatically it's a huge issue...
Gerald and Kasey. We need this video. Time is running out for some of us.
My two favorite camera nerds in one video!?!? 😱 💯yes yes yes!
I think the new ZV-1F has a lot of potential mainly in less developed countries where products are way more expensive, here in Brazil for example the ZV-1 is awesome but so much expensive that only a few RUclipsrs and content creators actually buy it, most people are just using phones and not even high end devices, also lens are even more expensive.. You can pretty much keep saving half of the year just to buy lenses, meanwhile in countries like US/EU where tech products are easier to buy then the camera maybe will not perform that good in sales.
Great video guys! Good to see my man Patrick helping out again. Cheers.
The biggest ISSUE with the zv1-f is the stabilization and rolling shutter. From the youtube commercials I have seen you would need to run everything that's not shot on a tripod thru Catalyst Browser. Not worth it. When this camera is released to the non-sponsered folks its going to be destroyed. When Sony can give us GoPro Stab in a 1-inch sensor that will be the bomb...
I really wanted to see the DR on the phones, and how that compares to the ZV-1F
That Ending was just as good as the whole video. :)
It is interesting that the zv1f is less usable as a vloging camera and more useable as a streaming camera. The one reason I like my zv1 over my iPhone is that the video and photos are more consistent. I was always battling picture to picture changes when doing stop motion on the iPhone which is much better with the zv1 due to better manual controls.
Clearly cameras at $500 will disappear in a year or two as phones continue to improve. I expect the technical prowess of the Samsung S23 to be incredible, officially sounding the death knell of “budget” point and shoot cameras
disagree - ill tell you why - I don't want to use my phone as a dedicated camera. I want it available as my phone all the time. 2 - 1k+ phones doesn't make sense over a $500 camera with objectively better image quality.
Watched a lot of videos on this topic and really couldn't decide until now.. Cheers fellas you nailed it!
Ehh, not sold on it. DJI just needs to release a Pocket 3 with the new 1/1.3 type sensor in the Mini 3 Pro and a 20-22mm fov lens on it..
Great job guys! The ONLY thing this video was missing was including some of Sony's own flagship phones like the Xperia Pro-I or Xperia 1iv
Broooo, in the beginning I thought that dude was a younger time traveling Devin Supertramp.
If only an 18-50 lens of f2.8 or higher had been included, the evaluation of this camera would have been very different. But the problem is that it is a 20mm prime lens. It's an entry-level camera, but beginners have already experienced zoom, albeit digital zoom, on their smartphones. Beginners buying this camera without any knowledge will be the first to know that some cameras do not have zoom.
all comparisons are made with front-facing why not rear cameras?
Especially now as the rear lenses are now being used by Apple and app developers as the primary camera for content creation, not the front facing camera.
I hate that the industry is headed towards micro content. Got Cinmematographer degrees but the only thing my entire team is doing is reels! This camera makes zero sense to me and so does 90% of people's approach towards content creation.
It would be interesting to compare ZV-1F with the Xperia Pro-I, which has a cropped 1-inch sensor, a headphone jack, and can mount an external display.
I got the first ZV-1 for vertical shorts and it's been ok so far. The complaints I do have are battery life and getting the heat warning at 4k 30
Have you changed the heat setting to high? That might sort you.
@@adventurepromo I saw that mentioned in another video! I'm going to give it a try next time I use it
@@JohnGlasscock omg amateurs........
21:16 Front or rear??
Its not really clear what lens you are using
They really need to give these camera's some IBIS, even if it raises the price. Also I wonder how the 1080p quality is, because it's probably a significantly better camera just shooting in 1080p if it improves the rolling shutter performance.
lol and eat up 6400 sales? doubt it
@@takoflame4948 both camera's aren't even going to appeal to the same person
Lol! I love how Patrick just lives in your studio now.
I cook and clean so its a fair deal
😂
I wish you had done the sponsor read with zv1f, iPhone, Pixel, and your regular setup in the studio.
I would also like to see "what is the max performance we can get from the phone" using Filmic Pro on iPhone or mcpro24fps on Android
8:37 It's not skin-smoothing. The Pixel simply doesn't have AF on the selfie camera, which is why you aren't in focus. The iPhone does have AF.
Appreciate the testing. This is exactly what I'm looking for. The phone camera has been updating so fast and I was not sure when it makes sense for me to upgrade to a camera for image, video shooting and live streaming.
I would say for gateway camera ZVE10 is proper since you can change lenses... which is really crucial in understanding photography
With a lens you're spending double the money though. Or close to it if you get a bad lens.
@@adventurepromo I would get zve10 + Sigma 16mm 1.4 and keep that shitty kit lens for zooming. this zv1f is just too small an upgrade from an iPhone.
Yes. Still wouldn't get that one either but it does makes way more sense.
You learn nothing about photography/videography by working with the f1.
*The iPhone 12 can be a great Vlogging camera.* So can the 10, 9, 8, etc. People need to stop buying every new thing that gets dropped, and just shoot!
Also homie on the right, just sitting there looks so uncomfortable, not sure who this dude is, but it made the whole video awkward.
Hello, this video could have wrapped up at 5 mins when you show the rolling shutter wobble. that right there is the total deal breaker for me.
Keep in mind (in Canada), the iPhone 14 pro is over double the price of the Sony. Are you buying the iPhone 14 pro over a cheaper phone JUST for the camera? Then it's essentially paying more for the iPhone camera than a Sony camera. Just something to consider. Overall the iPhone IS more versatile
Man, i would have loved it if y'all compared the main rear camera 🫠
Do you have a problem moving large 4K video file off of the iPhone?
Brilliantly comprehensive. Thanks, guys.
Been using DSLR for my photography. Recently, I discovered that iPad Air (4th generation) takes excellent shots of any landscape (daylight only). So, I combined my photography, either with a DSLR or iPad Air. iPhone picture had lower quality compares to iPad shot. So, I carry a DSLR camera and an iPad Air.
Great comparison! The movement/shake from the Sonys stabilization drives me nuts! They need to perfect that, then release a new camera :)
Regarding that jittery wobble:
You can even see that perfectly at 20:37 - The light bars are jittering all over the place. Looks like the stabilization (optical or digital) is kicking in way too hard to compensate for " shaky hand".
Nice video, loved the outro, good job both of you!
"Use your phone" is not really a good advice in my opinion. Not everyone owns the latest iPhone or Pixel phone, and therefore the difference between the ZV-1F and their smartphone is greater, thus creating a need to have a dedicated camera for youtube and vlogging.
I think the advice applies to the last few generations of phones though, like we say in the video. It's not just the latest phones that outperform in these regards.
Can you guys now do the Nikon Z30 in the same kind of comparison? I've be very interested in that!
Only you dare to tell about the wobbly issue of this camera to the audience. Most of the other content creators are hiding it🙁 I think it has the same issue of zve10
Regarding the Pixel and it's facial issues. They've marketed it as a camera that captures people of color more accurately.
Well, the issue for people of color is contrast and dynamic range, so it appears that the Pixel is using some facial dynamic range algorithm that's smoothing and brightening faces. That's my guess.
If I'm right, they could make this a setting that can be adjusted or even toggled off, helping darker and fairer skinned people.
you should check out sony 's phone. it comes with a secondary screen so you can use your main camera and have a viewfinder on back. also it's supposed to be much natural looking
Great job on the video you two! Thanks for making it.
I think the better use case is for streamers and talking head in controlled environments. The jello makes handheld vlogging a non starter for me.
No phase detect autofocus and bad rolling shutter in a "vlogging" camera... Ok.
TLDR right here
This is the comparison I really want to see!
Awe I was curious to hear what dynamic range you got for the iPhone lol. If you had to give an estimate, what would you say it gives in usable stops?
I wonder how the stabilization would look when run through Gyroflow, since that allows you to dial in the rolling shutter correction and stabilization options better than Catalyst Browse. Note that Gyroflow isn't for the average user since it's an extra post-processing step, but it does allow for better results.
Pretty sure this camera does NOT record gyro data. So you can stabilize it that way
I am pretty sure it records the gyro data, but that rolling shutter jello is something really bad, it looks like a footage from 50 bucks keychain camera.
@@georgitushev It does record the gyro data (I have a ZV1 and use it with Gyroflow a lot!), so in theory Gyroflow should be able to fix the jello completely, even the super bad keychain camera jello seen here! I just like seeing test results to confirm the "in theory" claims :)
Great review - love this kind of video with the two of you
preparing my stomach for Kasey review too.
Good job! Like button smashed 👊🏼👊🏼
I use my iphone 14 Pro with Filmic pro (and Rode video mic Go ii) which displays audio levels :)
@Gerald, @Patrick,
Here’s the math for the ZV-1 crop:
(Credits: Peter Trub and Over-X-poser comments on Kasey’s video + my comments/clean up).
UltraHD 24p crop: 1.094
Active stabilization: 1.185
Combined: 1.094 x 1.185 = 1.29639
ZV-1 sensor size: 13.2mm x 8.8mm
FF sensor size: 36mm x 24mm
Crop factor for ZV-1 to FF (ff/ZV-1):
36/13.2 = 24/8.8 = 2.727
ZV-1 Crop with 24p + active stabilization:
9.4mm x 1.29639 x 2.727 = 33.2mm FF-equivalent
25.7mm x 1.29639 x 2.727 = 90.9mm FF-equivalent
So for 0.45x wide angle adapter from Zomei, you get:
33.2mm x 0.45 = 14.94mm FF-equivalent
90.9mm x 0.45 = 40.905mm FF-equivalent
So for 0.75x wide angle adapter from Ulanzi, you get:
33.2mm x 0.75 = 24.9mm FF-equivalent
90.9mm x 0.75 = 68.179mm FF-equivalent
You also have the new Neewer Wide Angle Lens with Macro + Extension Tube or the Gixmon UX-Tube Wide Angle Lens with Macro + Extension Tube
I think the pixel 7 needs to upgrade the ultrawide sensor, improve low light performance, and straighten out the camera software stability. The xiaomi 12s ultra has much better low light but poor color balance in many scenarios. Thanks so much for this detailed review
Interesting. In Sweden the ZV-1 is $620 ZV-1f current list price $665
Btw what's up with the no card warning on every camera review?
Just curious
I think we're at a crucial moment where the phones need to feature a stronger camera game because phones are already so much better. Battery life is way better for phones. The lens are way better for cameras. That's literally all you have so it's just a matter of adding a better lens to the phone somehow. I'm willing to accept a bitter camera bump. Not sure about others.
I got mine 4 days ago. Great 2nd camera. My Canon Vixia G40 is good, but it doesn't do the BOKEH thing well. (Depth of field, blurry background)The Sony ZV-1F does it very well. Great little camera for tight sets. It takes a 40.5 mm filter, so use a variable ND filter on those bright days. I mounted mine on a camera grip bar. On the top of the grip is a hot shoe. That's were the mic went. This camera is made in Thailand NOT CHINA. I am trying NOT to buy from China, a communist country. Great video guys! Are yous guys in Canada?
I think ZV is not for people who has 1000usd phone.
In Poland, EU Sony cost 2999 PLN and Iphone14 PRO 7199 PLN. So ZV could be great update over 400USD android phone and I think that is what Sony is going for.
Two thumbs us for this review!
I really wish Google had tried harder at video from the beginning - i.e. Nexus5X/6P. They waited over half a decade to finally start working at it and it shows. Not unlike the Google's re-use of the ancient camera sensors from the 1-5a though, so the slow-walking optics is very on-brand for Google.
Not having that ugly artificial sharpening is already a plus against phones
The mushy appearance on the edges of the face is due to the averaging for the purpose of noise removal which even becomes more profound if you use the extreme zoom on iPhone 14 pro. Prolly mathematically speaking the resolution decreases on zoom which can be the cause for this but it appearance apple has not caught this issue on their radar.
Based on this I can just say that if you are going to spend money on upgrading your vlogging setup, you would be better off spending more money on apps and accessories for your existing phone before skipping the ZV-1F and going straight for the ZV-1 or ZV-E10.
The comparison we actually needed
I love the video! I think you are the most honest tech/camera youtuber from all of those who did reviews of this camera. I would love to see you doing a battle between the Sony ZV-1F and Nikon Z30 maybe you can add even the ZV-E10. I know they are not the same type of cameras but I think it would be cool. I wanna see if the Nikon camera has better stabilization and built-in mic compared to the Sony ones. Btw..will Canon ever release a G7X Mark 4? ✌😉❤
I'd love for canon to finally drop a G7X Mark 4 too!!!
It's hilarious how phones have been trying to become "proper cameras" for ages and now "proper cameras" are trying to be more like phone cameras with fixed lenses, wider FoV, computational photography etc.
Wow this is a different type of video 💯
So basically use a gimble with ZV-1F and it will be better than the rest compared. Good camera worked nicely at low-light.
1:07 there's a fingerprint on your lens. Test is instantly ruined! 😝
Super dope video! Where’s the podcast? 😂
I can’t believe he didn’t include Sony Xperia 1V in this conversation? I’ve been using that phone against iPhone 14pro. And I can tell you there is no comparison. Sony phone camera is at another level.
Zv e10 vs zv1F?
According to dxomark test on 7 pro that soft look you get is because of the distance you hold it from your face. It works better farther away in their test.
I hope you can make a review of Motion Cam App on Android. It can shoot raw video
Where you using the pre-release camera app? On release day they updated the camera app with a pretty big download
I think a video showing how to use a phone with bright and low light might be useful to people who are consisting this purchase. That way they can see how you got to the conclusion that you came to.
Sony, where's our RX10 mk5? Where's our entry level APS-C camera with 2023 specs?
I'm just amazed by how good iPhone is.
The d4 mini can’t be monitored it self, the output port is for the audio signal, the input is for second mic
The "wobble" is caused by the camera's slow rolling shutter. You get what you pay for in that regard I guess...
I came to the same conclusion - Phone is better all around, after reading that they had released it.
It's a $200 savings (street) off the much more capable ZV1 (optical zoom, ND filters, etc) and the ZV1 is providing what cell phones do not.
The F model, well, they took those advantages away and now it's not worth getting the camera over a phone.
you act like 200 is nothing, when 200 is half the cost of the product...
@@unwelcomemotivation Several years after the ZV-1 was introduced, and with the ZV-2 already on the market, the ZV-1 still costs $649 new at B&H.
The ZV-1F could save you $200, (not half) but more importantly it takes away optical zoom, ND and other key physical features that, for some, are worth that $200.
I'm not acting like $200 is nothing, just like the optical zoom, ND filter, etc are also not nothing. It's clear where the cost savings came from.
@@IEBATechThoughts huh? Like I said, that's almost 50% of the value of the product. It's not "just 200" especially when the zv-1f is 400 dollars RIGHT now. You don't just double the value of a civic and say get a bmw for just "20k" more lol
My initial reply that you're complaining about was made over a year ago.
Go check the prices I was referring to that were available back then.
You can't look at prices today, and then tell me my comment about prices, from a year ago, doesn't make sense.
That said. Current price on B&H for the ZV-1, just the camera, is $648
Current price of the ZV-1F, - "With holiday savings of $113" is $400 - Regularly $511.
Are you pointing to a 1-week sale, at one retailer, to complain about my comment about pricing, form a YEAR AGO?
@@IEBATechThoughts yes, yes I am. the zv-1 certainly wasn't 648 a year ago, but go off, hypocrite. America isn't the only country in the world - the zv-1 is 999 on SALE for 899 in canada vs the zv-1f at 659 on sale for 549...which might make it make more sense for ya.
I thought patrick was Devin Suoertramp