I’m an American and not even Jewish. I am humbled before the courage and resolve of the Israeli people. The clueless moral confusion of so many of us Americans is hard to fathom. You go Israel! You are a credit to humanity!
@@beniluv3250 LOL! Tell me about this "information" he has but I don't. The difference isn't information, it's having a clue about the necessity of actually defeating enemies rather than worrying about making them satisfied, which can't be done. You obviously don't have a clue either.
Haviv Rettig Gur is a global treasure. No one speaks with this level of insight and nuance. In biblical times we would declare him a prophet; today, I hit the like button.
@@MichaelSchakow L'chaim from Jacova eleven Gevurah born March 11th in Bethlehem decades ago. I just look young. I'm Jewish with Jesus of Nazareth in my heart. In Aramaic Khubba means love. Khubba to you and yours.
Jewish people please do not apologize for anything. I’m not Jewish but I’ve been researching extensively and read 2 history books since Oct 7, I can’t begin to understand how you are so strong and resilient. You will prevail. I learn so much listening to Haviv. . Thank you.
As a student of the state of Israel you will be familiar with the words, deeds and philosophy of early Israeli leaders. Here is just one of the thousands of quotes which paint a picture of Israel's birth and why the Palestinians resist their complete erasure- Ben Gurion. “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” - David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
He has a good line in meaningless mush. He hates Netanyahu, and it's quite tedious. No, Bibi isn't perfect, but if the alternative on offer is the useful idiots campaigning to give away Israeli security for nothing much then there is no alternative. He says the protesters want Israel to keep the Philippi corridor... but what are their spokesman asking for? Oh, yeah, some (the less lunatic) say Israel can give away the Phillipi corridor and then after the hostages are released Israel can go back in. But you are NEVER going to get all the hostages that way. It's a false alternative and anyone who believes that it is a real alternative is a cretin. So Bibi it is.
Thank you from the bottom of my Jewish soul for helping me navigate the despair and elation since October 7th. You pick me up and let me down gently. And, you are kind and wise. Be safe and well. From Downunder.
Thank you to all israelis who had helped us to send us our people dead body to Nepal,they were murdered by hamas.And IDF helped us to save our hindu nepali female students from hamas on oct 7. Thanks to israeli ambassador who went to meet those families in nepal. Israeli people never disrespected our nepali workers in israel meanwhile these muslim countries have always misused our nepali brothers and sisters. One is taken as hostage in gaza for that also israel is vocal. If ever israel ask help from nepal for nepali soldiers we will provide them. Nepal is small country but our soldiers are great. We are called as gorkhali soldiers whom Hitler used to fear. So we will always be there for Israel. God bless Israel.may israel and nepal friend stay forever.❤
@@Monkey_PNut No wisdom from this guy. Completely incoherent. First it's the job of "journalists" to oppose the government on Gazan deaths. He says in so many words, and a few minutes later he says it's NOT their job to be some sort of moral vanguard. He says this with no sign of cognitive dissonance at all. And he wants to lay 10/7 at Netanyahu's feet when the whole situation was created by Netanyahu's opponents. It wasn't Likud that pulled out and left HAMAS in charge of Gaza. Etc.
I not only come out of every exposure to Haviv more informed.but I literally feel smarter. His way of imparting information and wisdom can make one think and draw connections not previously made, thus actually improving the thinking process. Thank you!
No one lies more than the party committing genocide and blaming it on his victims. Exodus 22:21 “You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” Exodus 23:9 “Also you shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the heart of a stranger, because you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” Leviticus 19:33 ‘And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him.’ Leviticus 19:34 The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 23:22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the LORD your God.’ Leviticus 24:22 You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the LORD your God. Ezekiel 47:22-23 22 It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. Ezekiel 47:22-23 23 And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance,” says the Lord GOD. If this for strangers, how much more so for the natives? -->>> Who are the Palestinians? x.com/creatingpages/status/1783090093990838355 www.jpost.com/magazine/features/the-lost-palestinian-jews ruclips.net/video/aBf8SeE3OAA/видео.htmlsi=bwIa5Q9urbraeEXT x.com/ComptonMadeMe/status/1747326378838729034?s=20
Making demands of the Israelis is the job of journalism? How come it is not the job of journalism to make demands of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis or Iran? Actually, the job of journalists is to report and ask questions of BOTH sides and to be skeptical of answers that don't match what they see and don't correspond with what is possible. It is NOT the job of journalists or journalism to push an agenda.
More than extraordinary. Have read &listened to Haviv for years. One word... Wisdom. What is Zionism? It's why sine Jews survived the 20th century. In 2024, better get a move on. Back to the Negev.
I have listened to him for years as well and find myself more informed because of his lectures. That said, wisdom does not mean his analysis takes into consideration political realities that he seems to ignore. What are the optics of removing Netanyahu after Oct 7. Hamas claims a victory in bringing down the government of Israel. Netanyahu can be removed after Victory but not before.
He seems to be conflating a jewish state with a religious state...which is odd considering he is smarter than that. A Jewish state means a Jewish majority state, not religious state. He knows this. When it ceases to be majority Jewish it will also cease to be democratic.
@@bkrumerthe idea that Hamas ends hostilities towards Israel with the removal of Netanyahu is comical. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran don't want peace or a two state solution. They've literally said so in their charter.
@@bkrumerI don't think that was has intent. What I appreciate is his questions that he answers well at the time. Time in Middle East is transitory. It's a month later and he has additional thoughts on this. Definitely not the wisdom from American "news stations."
I will not judge on Bibi. All I know is that it is not easy to satisfy everyone internally and drag Israël as a nation through the world-turmoil. Look at Churchill. He was not loved in England, voted away before the end of the war, but peculiarly he was hard to replace to face the crucial period of WWII.
I love how when he speaks on things he is sure of he is really strong in what he has to say and confident. But when he speaks on things more on personal views, you can see humility which is warming to see. I actually thought he was bit arrogant when i first heard one of his lectures before, but i think i may have be mistaken in that he was actually confident about his history, not arrogance. I also thought it was very wise what he was asked about 'hope and fear' and he replied with" isreals hopes have already been realised " your not hoping for you something you already have" that was a very good answer. U.K 🇬🇧 supporter of Isreal.
Very interesting ! As a non Jew , I cant understand why those 350,000 Yeshiva Students who live in Israel , feel they can live in Israel without contributing, like all other young Israelis . If they don't want to actually fight , I believe they must give the same 3 years or so , doing farm work or whatever the state needs at the time ! I went to Israel for the first 4 months of this year and worked on a Kibbutz as a volunteer fruit picker . The Kibbutz was on the Lebanese border , there was rockets every day ! but I didn't really feel I was in any big danger ( iron dome ) Point being , most days it was just me and an Israeli guy ( now my good friend ) Whole crops went to waste because there were no workers ! These Yeshiva Students must contribute like everybody else ! ( Dear friends of Israel, apart from the obvious, I'm so glad I went to Israel and made some great new friends) ! I highly recommend to all non Jews to go to Israel and work on a Kibbutz! I promise you, you will have a great time and valuable experience !
The way the army is structured today, it is not just an army, but an educational institution. That institution has statistically shown itself effective at distancing Jews from Judaism. The same forces that leverage the army for great reshapings of Israeli society, would do the same for other contribution frameworks. You're essentially saying Judaism shouldn't matter that much, something to which the Haredim are diametrically opposed.
Haviv is a national treasure, i love love love his measured, nuanced, strawman approach to any question or situation… i learn something every time i listen to him & honestly i could listen to him for hours.. this was more than a conversation, this was brain food ! Thank you gentlemen… ps you are so right about western journalism or what passes for it, it’s mostly infantile 🇬🇧🇮🇱🇬🇧
Great discussion but the answer on the question of the continued utility of Zionism misses the point,. I think we should stop using the term “Zionism” for any purposes other than to describe the historic movement to build a polity for the Jewish nation in the holy land. Since that has been done and the state exists, we should retire the term. Its continued use suggests that Israel is an abstraction, an idea that you can agree or disagree with. This enables the anti-Israel crowd to call for genocide while pretending they are merely disagreeing with an ideology and that Zionism wasa bad idea which should be reversed. The use of the term Zionism places the burden on Zionists to constantly prove Israel’s right to exist, which is not the case for any other state. We should say:”Zionism succeeded, whether you like it or not. Its progeny exists, whether you think the baby should have been born, or aborted. Now it’s too late. The baby was born and has grown into a full-fledged state with 10 million people, which possesses all of the legitimacy-markers for states in international law. If you want to deny our right to exist, you are a proponent of genocide, full stop. Call it what it is.
Right wing intellectuals are rarer than their left wing counterparts, but God their level of clarity, nuance and integrity dwarfs the lefties by a huge margin.
The problem I see in the west, I cannot convince 1 person how twisted the Hamas mindset is. They simply cannot believe that parents would 'martyr' 🤨 their children by refusing to leave their homes.
The real problem is that Israeli society is brainwashed by Zionist BS propaganda. You are not victims, you are colonizers full of hatred and supremacist ideas (as colonization is a central part of Zionism ideology). Palestinians are indigenous people. So it has always been about ethnic cleansing (and Benni Morris wrote about it pretty clearly). You created apartheid state. One of these days Gaza genocide will be memorized as the darkest days in Jews history.
The blockade was only against weapons and entering illegally to Israel. They also have a border with Egypt, so why did Egypt closed its border with Gaza?
Ive been following Haviv for a while now, and I think he has a brilliant mind. I appreciate in particular his great efforts to educate Israelis and Jews in the diaspora about the history that has lead to the current reality of the Jewish people inside and outside of the state of Israel, and to help people decontextualize their identity away from silly abstractions that treat us like characters in someone else’s fantasy about us. However, I do have some criticisms. These criticisms are directed less towards Haviv himself than the platforms on which he speaks. And this criticism extends to the way that many other relevant, bright public speakers are platformed. We are living in a time of major transition in global politics and culture, and the world is headed towards another one of its periodic convulsions that take place at predictable intervals throughout human history. A lot of what Haviv says is thoughtful and takes into account a great many factors about Israeli society, but it fails to address the degree of chaos and unpredictability that Jews face in and out of Israel, as well as the multitude of variables at play in geopolitics broadly speaking. He still speaks about a two state solution as if it’s a precise mathematical equation, that makes sense, while a “one-state solution” is mathematically wrong. The reality is that any “solution” to the so-called “Palestinian-Israeli” conflict is so far off in the future that the realities and variables in Israeli and diaspora Jewish life will be completely different than what they are at the present moment. I would like to see more public intellectuals like Haviv be subjected to competing visions of the future (and interpretations of the present) such that the public can be exposed to a deeper conversation about what is possible or probable in the future. The bottom line is that none of the models work anymore, and as soon as we can at least acknowledge that fact, the sooner we can start using our imagination and creativity to constructively change the conversation. If what I’m saying sounds vague, that’s precisely the point. I’m not advocating for an ideology. I’m advocating for an acknowledgment that the models are broken and that people like Haviv need to engage with other intellectual leaders to start considering new models within an evolving paradigm. Maybe these conversations need to remain behind closed doors for the time being, but they need to happen one way or another. We’ve solved bigger problems as a people in the past, and I’m confident that we will solve the many crises we currently face. But we have to get to work.
@@davidk2471 I have to agree. Hats off. Let's join our minds and get the thought-pot churning! It's an essential topic of our time, even for me as a gentile.
@@rigelb9025 thank you, kindly! These issues fan out into every sector of human civilization and are equally relevant to all of us, Jew and Gentile alike. I’m working on putting together a platform to have these kinds of conversations and I’ll keep you posted.
Wonderful talk ❤ don't agree with many things said, this is not the time to decide whose fault it is and time to unite, fight and win! Am Israel Chai vekayam 🇮🇱!
Haviv is great, and he has a lot of facts and notions right on spot, but I bluntly disagree with him on the topic of blaming this specific government for the division among Israelis. There are rotten apples on both sides. Nothing in life is binary as he suggests. And if anyone, the blame is on people like Ehud Barak that's gone absolutely mental in his persuit to destroy the government (and even Israel as a whole, if thats the price. Pure blind hatred).
God will fulfil his promise to His people. To the people of Israel, please know that many in the world love you, pray for you. You indeed will be the most resilient and brave generation. God loves Israel and always will, for you are the apple of His eye.
FWIW, neuroscience has proved that being objective, for us humans, is biologically impossible. The brain actually edits our memories during sleep when it changes short term memories to long term memories. We have no conscious control over this editing. It's why you can be at an event with someone, & the two of you remember it differently. Lawyers have known since forever that no two witnesses ever tell the same story, no matter how bright or how honest each may be. Your demand that journalists "report facts" is unrealistic in the light of all of this. None of us surmounts being human. So the next best thing is to be able to understand opposing points of view; to see how others come to opposing opinions, even when you disagree w them. I think this guy is strong in doing just that. FWIW. (Expect perfection & you will be doomed to disappointments.)
@@MrDavidbr1970Yep really. I'm not a neuroscientist but I follow their discoveries online. Science is incredibly elitist. They like believing they know more than they do. MRI scans can track if a neuron is firing or not, so they make metaphors w computers & call the info kilobyts. Like a juicy metaphor they have is the conscious mind processes about 66 kilobytes of info per sec while the subconscious processes about 66 million kilobytes per second; but the metaphor falls short. It makes it seem like "on" or "off" is all a brain neuron does, which ignores that they've found over 5,000 kinds of brain cells, & ignores how hormones (the endocrine system) affects the brain. Still, learning about things they have discovered (like the editing of memories when we sleep) is real interesting.
@@MrDavidbr1970I gave you a long answer but I don't see it. I've recently learned that sometimes RUclips doesn't completely block a post, but hides it so only the poster it's directed to gets it. Did you get my answers to your question about neuroscience?
@@brynawaldman5790 Yes, I saw it. So, we can agree not on one, but on two objective facts: (1) your nickname is brynawaldman5790 and (2) you wrote that message. Now let's apply this "impossible" standard to investigative journalism, shall we? Who broke ceasefire Hamas or Israel? Who took the hostages Hamas or Israel? Who broke the UN resolution 1701 Hezbollah or Israel. And so on and so fourth. Before pushing opinions and interpretations, a real journalist have a duty to inform herself/himself of the facts and then inform the readership of these facts. Now, when we established some facts, an undertaking you believe to be impossible, how about this: it _is_ unfair when an uninformed journalist pushes a counter-factual agenda. The last statement is my opinion about the profession and responsibility of journalist. It is the work of the journalist to fight her own bias. Hard, but not impossible.
Until this interview I respected Haviv Rettig Gur. But given his rhetorical questions, (such as: why is HAMAS destroying Gaza, why is Iran interested in Israel when it has no border with Israel), reveals an utter lack of understanding of Islam and compels the conclusion that he never read the Koran. If so, given that little Israel is surrounded by 22 Muslim states and over 400 million muslims, this is incredibly incompetent of him. And, when he claims that he does not understand how could Sinwar have launched 10-7 when there must have been other sane persons in the organization, who are presumably not sociopathic or psychopathic, and could of prevented it, shows a colossal idiocy on his part. For they are all extreme Muslims on a Jihad to establish the supremacy of Islam over Israel. Its a 1400 year religious war ordered in the Koran (i.e. the word and directive of Allah himself devoid of any morality). If that alone is not sufficiently sociopathic, I don't know what is. Wake up Haviv Rettig Gur and read the Koran--its available in Hebrew too.
I don't think you listened closely. @ 0:52 "We have enemies who think they can destroy us ...." @ 1:30 "... big religious ideologies that come for you because you play some role in a big moral historical cartoon in their own heads . . . . Welcome to Jewish history." I think he takes it for granted that listeners have the overview you spell out in detail.
The rhetorical nature of the questions led me to think that Gur actually does know the enemy really well. He was just trying to show how incurious western journalists are that they do not notice these seeming incongruencies and ask more questions about it.
The podcaster chose 18 specific questions, & most of them were about Israelis' relationships w each other & w their government & history. I've heard him address the topics you'd prefer hearing about, in other videos. He did hint at your preferred themes early on with " . . . big religious ideologies that come for you because you play some role in a big moral historical cartoon in their own heads . . . . Welcome to Jewish history." (@ 1:30; that could apply to Islam & to Nazi thinking . . . .) Anyway; this wasn't an open ended discussion. The podcaster had 18 specific questions in mind.
Sorry but Haviv is way more knowledgeable about Islam than your caricature of him here. If you don’t realize this, go watch his interview with The Free Press from March 21st “The Gathering Storm”, also available on RUclips, where he dives deep into the nuances of the different elements of Islam at play within the wider regional conflict.
Listen to the interview again, he mentions these questions as as a criticism of international journalists who do not bother to deeply understand the politics and ideology of the parties involved, and who do not bother asking these questions.
THE GOD OF ISRAEL, OF HIS JEWISH PEOPLE IS WATCHING EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE DURING THIS TIME.. HE KNOWS EVERY THOUGHT OF EVERY PERSON WHETHER THEY BELIEVE IN HIM OR NOT.. LORD SHOW THEM THEIR HEARTS AS YOU SEE IT.. CHANGE IN THEM WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED... GRANT THEM THE WISDOM TO KNOW WHAT DISPLEASES YOU LORD, BLESS THEM WITH THE STRENGTH TO MAKE THE CHANGES SO THEY MAY WALK IN YOUR RIGHTEOUS WAY, ON YOUR RIGHTEOUS PATH
@@davidk2471 No way. It's the written transposition of the sheer loudness booming from the Evangelical pastor's microphone - without which the actual substance is rendered utterly void and will fall on nothing but deaf ears.
I have spent months writing letters to the press such as this posted below because Americans and our journalists are not curious or probing as you note in this discussion: Hezbollah started this war and they are terrorists … who have infiltrated, co-opted and destroyed the nation of Lebanon- …they are a massive mercenary army under Iran - this was as targeted and precise a strike against an war-mongering enemy as anyone could want- clearly you have no concept of the current military or geopolitical situation existing between Israel and Iran’s proxy terror army Hezbollah. Why don’t you take some time to google around and read some articles about what Iran and Hezbollah have done to Israel and Lebanon. For example-Do you know that Iran is thousands of miles away from Israel and has no business stationing a massive terrorist army on its border? Are you cheering on the Houthis, Assad in Syria, Iran, and Hamas as well? Why do you believe Israel has no right to defend itself against terrorists?
cuz its an arpatheid state, that has been condemed by many international instutions, you can live in your dream world and tell yourself israel is the hero and its only defending itself, but in many ways israel is the actual villian and history will tell the truth if you want it or not.
@@davidk2471 I've heard numerous interviews with Haviv recently, not just this one. In one of them he even admits he is secretly a leftie, although he does so with some humour. It's OK to be Left Wing, just be honest amd don't hide your true intentions and thoughts. Israel has been torn from the inside because of people like that prior to Oct 7th, we don't want this BS anymore.
@@davidk2471Even without being Israeli I can give you some reasons. 1. The entire Israeli defence system was completely unprepared on Oct 7. Imagine the Israeli air force went to the breached fence quickly. Hamas invaders would have been killed before most of the killing began. There would have been no hostages. It would have taken a couple of minutes for planes to get there, & a couple of hours for tanks to get there, because Israel is small. 2. There were Israeli soldier girls who wore hijabs who spied in Gaza. They knew something was brewing & their warnings were ignored. Why? Their very purpose in Gaza was to look for signs of military preparations. Why were their warnings ignored? Unless Netanyahu proves himself there will be investigations in these matters once the war ends. He has already set himself up to fail Israel in his promises because he promises both the defeat of Hamas & the rescue of the hostages. It is a no-brainer that fulfilling both is mutually exclusive. Sinwar will keep a group of hostages as his own personal human shields to the very end, & will kill them if the IDF gets close, the way they did recently. A great leader would prepare his people that achieving both goals would be almost impossible, but he would try. Instead Netanyahu lies that he will do both, adding more impossible promises to impossible promises he has made down the years.
My theory as to why Iran is obsessed with Israel, and also why Oct. 7 was perpetrated, is this is a power struggle over who dominates the Middle-East; Iran and its proxies on one side, and Israel and Saudi Arabia on the other. Oct 7 was done to scuttle the Abraham accords, a raproachment between Israel and the Saudis. It's not as if the Saudis love Israel, but they need their expertise and technology to deter Iran. If Oct. 7 hadn't hapenned, Israel would've continued its expansion in the West Bank and the Palestinians would have been left out and forgotten. The Middle-East might have even settled down somewhat.
Haviv is always so intelligent and interesting to listen to. I wish his disdain for Israel’s government wasn’t so apparent though, especially because the majority of Israelis do support Netanyahu. So when people complain about Netanyahu, it’s ultimately disparaging the majority of everyday Israelis who believe he is the most capable leader we have. This kind of disdain is what is driving the wedge. Also, why should Israeli politicians show up in places where they will get brutally heckled? No one should be subjected to that, and haviv knows perfectly well that’s what would happen. These politicians are even heckled overseas by that crowd.
Most Israelis do not support Netanyahu, he has 30% support right now. And many of those who do "support" hi, say that they don't approve of how he's handling things, but don't think there's a better option out there. In my opinion he gives this irresponsible, authoritarian, corrupt government much more respect than they deserve, they are dragging Israel into the abyss.
Interesting to hear. Unfortunately, however, pretending to be an impartial reporter, Haviv sounds like part of the dividing, a publicity outlet who enjoys the exposure he gets, in the bargain. Despite the enormity of the cost, fortunately, the 'SlamoWoke will fail and the Jihadi effort will boomerang.
As someone on the right I won't forgive bibi. But unfortunately I don't see anyone more competent. And bb is incompetent I see gantz as an American puppit I see smootrich and Ben gvir as too radical. Bennett can't be trusted. And BB is awful but I'm more worried with anyone else at the helm. And this is after October 7th. I still feel we would be worse off if any of bibi's opponents was prime minister during October 7th.
Fantastic interview.All the people who had their houses burned down are displaced.The terror that was thrust upon the children & adults on October 7th is just beyond comprehension in my mind.When you think this could happen in our neighbourhoods bring me chills.I heard that the enemy are jealous of 🇮🇱 Israel.Israel is God chosen people.🙏🏻🇮🇱.They will never be defeated as Gods hand is over every Jewish & Christian person living in 🇮🇱 Israel praise God 🙏🏻Stay strong Israel & the IDF THERE ARE MILLIONS OVER THE WORLD PRAYING & SUPPORTING YOU.WE LOVE YOU ISRAEL ❤️🇮🇱🇬🇧🙏🏻
You comprehend the displacement and slaughter of the Palestinian children and families quite well though? What kind of god is in favour of this suffering?
@@abbotsful Gazs has a border with Egypt. You all like to ignore that :) And Israel never started a war exept of the six day war which also happened because of the Arabs so stop lying.
@@moranotmi i know they don't control the egyptian border, you seem to ignore everything else, Israel started the whole thing, you're probably not lying, just willfully ignorant
When Haviv begins an answer on his religiosity with "There is a G-d..." and is about to launch into an undoubtedly interesting point--and you interrupt him to insist on prodding him into declaring an identity affiliation...you are making a mistake.
Thanks for a wonderful interview and amazing insight. I was struck by your comment that some Jews don’t know their own history. It puts so much in perspective. Can you please put the links for the books you mentioned. 🇮🇱❤️
As a Westerner and non-Jew offering an outsider’s perspective, I find Haviv provides an insightful and much-needed understanding of Israel’s position and the complexities within its society, along with a clear view of the average Israeli perspective. However, when addressing Israel's adversaries, he seems to lean toward oversimplification, often framing them through the singular lens of antisemitism and as monolithic entities driven by unified ideology of antisemitism. While antisemitism undeniably plays a role in the institutional narratives of Israel's adversaries, in my view is less central in their political strategies and the popular sentiment of their populations. Broader historical and political contexts are critical to understanding their actions. The tendency to conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism-understandable given the deep generational trauma of the Holocaust and the longer history of Jewish persecution-can sometimes blur these distinctions. A more nuanced perspective of all sides could enrich the conversation, fostering greater understanding and hopefully encouraging less hawkish, more long-term approach in Israel’s strategies toward its adversaries:) And lol yes i used chat gpt in forming this comment..)
This guy is fantastic, I love him. He really convinces how wonderful, and righteous, and beautiful Israel is. He also convinces how utterly stupid and wrong and evil Hamas and their supporters and sympathisers are.
I’m an American and not even Jewish. I am humbled before the courage and resolve of the Israeli people. The clueless moral confusion of so many of us Americans is hard to fathom. You go Israel! You are a credit to humanity!
They’re as moral as the Nazis.
The most articulate speaker I hear out of Israel currently
Too bad then that he is a member in good standing of Team Useful Idiot.
This is a f**ing leftist
@@gandydancer9710 unlike you, who are soooo well informed. Tkawed ala zubri.
@@beniluv3250 LOL! Tell me about this "information" he has but I don't. The difference isn't information, it's having a clue about the necessity of actually defeating enemies rather than worrying about making them satisfied, which can't be done.
You obviously don't have a clue either.
@@gandydancer9710 I am only in the beginning, but it sounds like he IS talking about defeating enemies.
"They aren't failing Israel, they are failing their readers." Genius commentary on journalism today. Thanks Haviv!
💯
Lol he's an absolute liar lol
Haviv Rettig Gur is a global treasure. No one speaks with this level of insight and nuance. In biblical times we would declare him a prophet; today, I hit the like button.
@@MichaelSchakow L'chaim from Jacova eleven Gevurah born March 11th in Bethlehem decades ago. I just look young. I'm Jewish with Jesus of Nazareth in my heart. In Aramaic Khubba means love. Khubba to you and yours.
ok, Adolf
Nicely put ❤
@@Noychooz Shalom
@@jacovawernett3077 וברכה 🫶
Jewish people please do not apologize for anything. I’m not Jewish but I’ve been researching extensively and read 2 history books since Oct 7, I can’t begin to understand how you are so strong and resilient. You will prevail. I learn so much listening to Haviv. . Thank you.
Yeah keep fooling your self
As a student of the state of Israel you will be familiar with the words, deeds and philosophy of early Israeli leaders.
Here is just one of the thousands of quotes which paint a picture of Israel's birth and why the Palestinians resist their complete erasure-
Ben Gurion.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
- David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
You are dim. Sit with me someday and I will release you from the brainwash you call research.
@@justiceriser8970 so we are not strong and resilient?
Thank you for reading since 10/7!! 🥹
Haviv Rettig Gur is a wealth of knowledge, insights, pragmatic/practical refection -- I learn so much from him.
Enemies that destroy themselves on the altar of trying to destroy us..❤❤
Haviv always delivers. Such a wonderful voice for our time. Thank you both for sharing this conversation with the rest of us!
He has a good line in meaningless mush. He hates Netanyahu, and it's quite tedious. No, Bibi isn't perfect, but if the alternative on offer is the useful idiots campaigning to give away Israeli security for nothing much then there is no alternative. He says the protesters want Israel to keep the Philippi corridor... but what are their spokesman asking for? Oh, yeah, some (the less lunatic) say Israel can give away the Phillipi corridor and then after the hostages are released Israel can go back in. But you are NEVER going to get all the hostages that way. It's a false alternative and anyone who believes that it is a real alternative is a cretin. So Bibi it is.
Well said sir. As a gentile good luck to Israel and its people.
Thank you from the bottom of my Jewish soul for helping me navigate the despair and elation since October 7th. You pick me up and let me down gently. And, you are kind and wise. Be safe and well. From Downunder.
You spoke my thoughts. 🙏🌻
Thank you to all israelis who had helped us to send us our people dead body to Nepal,they were murdered by hamas.And IDF helped us to save our hindu nepali female students from hamas on oct 7. Thanks to israeli ambassador who went to meet those families in nepal. Israeli people never disrespected our nepali workers in israel meanwhile these muslim countries have always misused our nepali brothers and sisters. One is taken as hostage in gaza for that also israel is vocal. If ever israel ask help from nepal for nepali soldiers we will provide them. Nepal is small country but our soldiers are great. We are called as gorkhali soldiers whom Hitler used to fear. So we will always be there for Israel. God bless Israel.may israel and nepal friend stay forever.❤
@@Monkey_PNut No wisdom from this guy. Completely incoherent. First it's the job of "journalists" to oppose the government on Gazan deaths. He says in so many words, and a few minutes later he says it's NOT their job to be some sort of moral vanguard. He says this with no sign of cognitive dissonance at all. And he wants to lay 10/7 at Netanyahu's feet when the whole situation was created by Netanyahu's opponents. It wasn't Likud that pulled out and left HAMAS in charge of Gaza. Etc.
@@gandydancer9710Actually it was Likud. Sharon was from the Likud party.
@@gandydancer9710hmm I dont think I listened all the way through on this one to be honest, I'll listen again ..
Brother ,
God bless Israel
❤ From India
I not only come out of every exposure to Haviv more informed.but I literally feel smarter. His way of imparting information and wisdom can make one think and draw connections not previously made, thus actually improving the thinking process. Thank you!
He's full of crap.
No one lies more than the party committing genocide and blaming it on his victims.
Exodus 22:21 “You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
Exodus 23:9 “Also you shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the heart of a stranger, because you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
Leviticus 19:33 ‘And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him.’
Leviticus 19:34 The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 23:22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the LORD your God.’
Leviticus 24:22 You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the LORD your God.
Ezekiel 47:22-23 22 It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel 47:22-23 23 And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance,” says the Lord GOD.
If this for strangers, how much more so for the natives? -->>>
Who are the Palestinians?
x.com/creatingpages/status/1783090093990838355
www.jpost.com/magazine/features/the-lost-palestinian-jews
ruclips.net/video/aBf8SeE3OAA/видео.htmlsi=bwIa5Q9urbraeEXT
x.com/ComptonMadeMe/status/1747326378838729034?s=20
@@gandydancer9710HOW COME YOU HECKLERS ARE ALLOWED TO USE WORDS LIKE CRAP AND F WORDS WHEN THE NOÑ LIARS ARE CENSURED? AM ISRAEL HAI.
Making demands of the Israelis is the job of journalism? How come it is not the job of journalism to make demands of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis or Iran? Actually, the job of journalists is to report and ask questions of BOTH sides and to be skeptical of answers that don't match what they see and don't correspond with what is possible. It is NOT the job of journalists or journalism to push an agenda.
More than extraordinary. Have read &listened to Haviv for years. One word... Wisdom.
What is Zionism? It's why sine Jews survived the 20th century. In 2024, better get a move on. Back to the Negev.
I have listened to him for years as well and find myself more informed because of his lectures. That said, wisdom does not mean his analysis takes into consideration political realities that he seems to ignore. What are the optics of removing Netanyahu after Oct 7. Hamas claims a victory in bringing down the government of Israel. Netanyahu can be removed after Victory but not before.
He seems to be conflating a jewish state with a religious state...which is odd considering he is smarter than that. A Jewish state means a Jewish majority state, not religious state. He knows this. When it ceases to be majority Jewish it will also cease to be democratic.
@@bkrumer Where does he do this? Supply a time stamp. Or quote him. Or SOMEthing.
@@bkrumerthe idea that Hamas ends hostilities towards Israel with the removal of Netanyahu is comical. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran don't want peace or a two state solution. They've literally said so in their charter.
@@bkrumerI don't think that was has intent. What I appreciate is his questions that he answers well at the time. Time in Middle East is transitory. It's a month later and he has additional thoughts on this. Definitely not the wisdom from American "news stations."
I will not judge on Bibi. All I know is that it is not easy to satisfy everyone internally and drag Israël as a nation through the world-turmoil. Look at Churchill. He was not loved in England, voted away before the end of the war, but peculiarly he was hard to replace to face the crucial period of WWII.
❤
You clearly haven't a clue what's up. Bibi the immoral opportunist liar should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Churchill. Disgusting.
Agreed. Thank you for saying so
I love how when he speaks on things he is sure of he is really strong in what he has to say and confident. But when he speaks on things more on personal views, you can see humility which is warming to see. I actually thought he was bit arrogant when i first heard one of his lectures before, but i think i may have be mistaken in that he was actually confident about his history, not arrogance. I also thought it was very wise what he was asked about 'hope and fear' and he replied with" isreals hopes have already been realised " your not hoping for you something you already have" that was a very good answer.
U.K 🇬🇧 supporter of Isreal.
Very interesting ! As a non Jew , I cant understand why those 350,000 Yeshiva Students who live in Israel , feel they can live in Israel without contributing, like all other young Israelis . If they don't want to actually fight , I believe they must give the same 3 years or so , doing farm work or whatever the state needs at the time ! I went to Israel for the first 4 months of this year and worked on a Kibbutz as a volunteer fruit picker . The Kibbutz was on the Lebanese border , there was rockets every day ! but I didn't really feel I was in any big danger ( iron dome )
Point being , most days it was just me and an Israeli guy ( now my good friend ) Whole crops went to waste because there were no workers ! These Yeshiva Students must contribute like everybody else ! ( Dear friends of Israel, apart from the obvious, I'm so glad I went to Israel and made some great new friends) ! I highly recommend to all non Jews to go to Israel and work on a Kibbutz! I promise you, you will have a great time and valuable experience !
The way the army is structured today, it is not just an army, but an educational institution. That institution has statistically shown itself effective at distancing Jews from Judaism. The same forces that leverage the army for great reshapings of Israeli society, would do the same for other contribution frameworks.
You're essentially saying Judaism shouldn't matter that much, something to which the Haredim are diametrically opposed.
The yeshiva students contribute to the country by sustaining an ancient culture ... not so different from what you propose (eg doing farm work etc)
Haviv is a national treasure, i love love love his measured, nuanced, strawman approach to any question or situation… i learn something every time i listen to him & honestly i could listen to him for hours.. this was more than a conversation, this was brain food ! Thank you gentlemen… ps you are so right about western journalism or what passes for it, it’s mostly infantile 🇬🇧🇮🇱🇬🇧
Great discussion but the answer on the question of the continued utility of Zionism misses the point,. I think we should stop using the term “Zionism” for any purposes other than to describe the historic movement to build a polity for the Jewish nation in the holy land. Since that has been done and the state exists, we should retire the term. Its continued use suggests that Israel is an abstraction, an idea that you can agree or disagree with. This enables the anti-Israel crowd to call for genocide while pretending they are merely disagreeing with an ideology and that Zionism wasa bad idea which should be reversed. The use of the term Zionism places the burden on Zionists to constantly prove Israel’s right to exist, which is not the case for any other state. We should say:”Zionism succeeded, whether you like it or not. Its progeny exists, whether you think the baby should have been born, or aborted. Now it’s too late. The baby was born and has grown into a full-fledged state with 10 million people, which possesses all of the legitimacy-markers for states in international law. If you want to deny our right to exist, you are a proponent of genocide, full stop. Call it what it is.
Right wing intellectuals are rarer than their left wing counterparts, but God their level of clarity, nuance and integrity dwarfs the lefties by a huge margin.
God bless Israel! I stand with You forever.
His perspicuity is second to none, so bright, rational and well informed.
The problem I see in the west, I cannot convince 1 person how twisted the Hamas mindset is. They simply cannot believe that parents would 'martyr' 🤨 their children by refusing to leave their homes.
There are a few that understand it but definitely not enough
The real problem is that Israeli society is brainwashed by Zionist BS propaganda. You are not victims, you are colonizers full of hatred and supremacist ideas (as colonization is a central part of Zionism ideology). Palestinians are indigenous people. So it has always been about ethnic cleansing (and Benni Morris wrote about it pretty clearly). You created apartheid state. One of these days Gaza genocide will be memorized as the darkest days in Jews history.
To all the Jewish people stay united (from a non Jew)
Another amazing interview with Haviv. 💙
"We are emphatically OK" 😂
I am stealing that!
Not funny
It’s been said, but bears repeating: For Israel, collateral damage to innocents is a tragedy; for Hamas, it is a strategy.
18Forty has been a fantastic exercise. Great interviews and great guests.
The blockade was only against weapons and entering illegally to Israel. They also have a border with Egypt, so why did Egypt closed its border with Gaza?
If Gaza can choose to be good neighbours with Israel, then they will have a powerful friend.
Editor: Around 1:05:00 the audio picks up a noticeable echo.
Right of the bat, thank you for such an encouraging and powerful first answer!
We stand with Israel forever
Magnificently erudite, wise and disarmingly honest.
It is a pleasure to hear Rettiv Gur.
He is so clear and assertive in his comments and thoughts.
We need more people like him in hasbara.
As much as I really like Haviv, it's a shame he thinks of the Israeli government negatively.
Amazing talk
Ive been following Haviv for a while now, and I think he has a brilliant mind. I appreciate in particular his great efforts to educate Israelis and Jews in the diaspora about the history that has lead to the current reality of the Jewish people inside and outside of the state of Israel, and to help people decontextualize their identity away from silly abstractions that treat us like characters in someone else’s fantasy about us. However, I do have some criticisms. These criticisms are directed less towards Haviv himself than the platforms on which he speaks. And this criticism extends to the way that many other relevant, bright public speakers are platformed.
We are living in a time of major transition in global politics and culture, and the world is headed towards another one of its periodic convulsions that take place at predictable intervals throughout human history. A lot of what Haviv says is thoughtful and takes into account a great many factors about Israeli society, but it fails to address the degree of chaos and unpredictability that Jews face in and out of Israel, as well as the multitude of variables at play in geopolitics broadly speaking. He still speaks about a two state solution as if it’s a precise mathematical equation, that makes sense, while a “one-state solution” is mathematically wrong. The reality is that any “solution” to the so-called “Palestinian-Israeli” conflict is so far off in the future that the realities and variables in Israeli and diaspora Jewish life will be completely different than what they are at the present moment. I would like to see more public intellectuals like Haviv be subjected to competing visions of the future (and interpretations of the present) such that the public can be exposed to a deeper conversation about what is possible or probable in the future. The bottom line is that none of the models work anymore, and as soon as we can at least acknowledge that fact, the sooner we can start using our imagination and creativity to constructively change the conversation. If what I’m saying sounds vague, that’s precisely the point. I’m not advocating for an ideology. I’m advocating for an acknowledgment that the models are broken and that people like Haviv need to engage with other intellectual leaders to start considering new models within an evolving paradigm. Maybe these conversations need to remain behind closed doors for the time being, but they need to happen one way or another. We’ve solved bigger problems as a people in the past, and I’m confident that we will solve the many crises we currently face. But we have to get to work.
Insightful comment and well written to boot.
@@davidk2471 thanks David, I appreciate it. 🙏🏼
@@davidk2471 I have to agree. Hats off. Let's join our minds and get the thought-pot churning! It's an essential topic of our time, even for me as a gentile.
I also agree. I'm tired of people repeating the same thing they think will work and never work in history until now
@@rigelb9025 thank you, kindly! These issues fan out into every sector of human civilization and are equally relevant to all of us, Jew and Gentile alike. I’m working on putting together a platform to have these kinds of conversations and I’ll keep you posted.
Netanyahu is the best leader that Israel can have in this challenge. Do realise that, Haviv !!!
Israel for ever
Haviv is an extraordinary speaker, with precise language and he represents the Israeli society at its best
A wonderful interview- great questions with an amazing Israeli
Great episode. This guy rules!
Question: Was Haviv protesting against Likud and Netanyahu before October 7th?
Listen to the interview & find out.
A brilliant interview.
Wonderful talk ❤ don't agree with many things said, this is not the time to decide whose fault it is and time to unite, fight and win! Am Israel Chai vekayam 🇮🇱!
You need the Saviour dearest. You need God🙏🏻
Read the Talmud.
Jews say Jesus is in hell
Our leaders today couldn't be stronger! We have the best leadership right now!!!
Thank you again for sharing more of our story so well.
Haviv is great, and he has a lot of facts and notions right on spot, but I bluntly disagree with him on the topic of blaming this specific government for the division among Israelis. There are rotten apples on both sides. Nothing in life is binary as he suggests. And if anyone, the blame is on people like Ehud Barak that's gone absolutely mental in his persuit to destroy the government (and even Israel as a whole, if thats the price. Pure blind hatred).
As little as possible for things you love. Fantastic answer.
Thank God for this amazing man!
It was a privilege to hear this discourse
Hopeful, balanced and wise.
What an thought provoking insightful man .
What’s the name of the book ???
haviv the man
God will fulfil his promise to His people. To the people of Israel, please know that many in the world love you, pray for you. You indeed will be the most resilient and brave generation. God loves Israel and always will, for you are the apple of His eye.
God doesn't care about us
Nice try, but your stance is an Evangelical, and not a Jewish one.
@@rigelb9025Orthodox Jews would agree w the OP.
I appreciate your support thank you. But we are not gods chosen, we are regular people and we just want to live a safe life
@@noamkoren7390 I think the 'chosen' people he's referring to here are the Christians.
Loved this! Thank you!
4:58
I wonder if Haviv would change his view on Israel's display of power in the 2 weeks that passed since the interview...
Your first duty as a journalist is to report facts.
FWIW, neuroscience has proved that being objective, for us humans, is biologically impossible. The brain actually edits our memories during sleep when it changes short term memories to long term memories. We have no conscious control over this editing. It's why you can be at an event with someone, & the two of you remember it differently.
Lawyers have known since forever that no two witnesses ever tell the same story, no matter how bright or how honest each may be.
Your demand that journalists "report facts" is unrealistic in the light of all of this. None of us surmounts being human.
So the next best thing is to be able to understand opposing points of view; to see how others come to opposing opinions, even when you disagree w them.
I think this guy is strong in doing just that. FWIW.
(Expect perfection & you will be doomed to disappointments.)
@@brynawaldman5790 Really? Is your nickname brynawaldman5790 and did you write this reply?
@@MrDavidbr1970Yep really. I'm not a neuroscientist but I follow their discoveries online. Science is incredibly elitist. They like believing they know more than they do. MRI scans can track if a neuron is firing or not, so they make metaphors w computers & call the info kilobyts. Like a juicy metaphor they have is the conscious mind processes about 66 kilobytes of info per sec while the subconscious processes about 66 million kilobytes per second; but the metaphor falls short. It makes it seem like "on" or "off" is all a brain neuron does, which ignores that they've found over 5,000 kinds of brain cells, & ignores how hormones (the endocrine system) affects the brain. Still, learning about things they have discovered (like the editing of memories when we sleep) is real interesting.
@@MrDavidbr1970I gave you a long answer but I don't see it. I've recently learned that sometimes RUclips doesn't completely block a post, but hides it so only the poster it's directed to gets it. Did you get my answers to your question about neuroscience?
@@brynawaldman5790 Yes, I saw it. So, we can agree not on one, but on two objective facts: (1) your nickname is brynawaldman5790 and (2) you wrote that message. Now let's apply this "impossible" standard to investigative journalism, shall we? Who broke ceasefire Hamas or Israel? Who took the hostages Hamas or Israel? Who broke the UN resolution 1701 Hezbollah or Israel. And so on and so fourth. Before pushing opinions and interpretations, a real journalist have a duty to inform herself/himself of the facts and then inform the readership of these facts. Now, when we established some facts, an undertaking you believe to be impossible, how about this: it _is_ unfair when an uninformed journalist pushes a counter-factual agenda. The last statement is my opinion about the profession and responsibility of journalist. It is the work of the journalist to fight her own bias. Hard, but not impossible.
Until this interview I respected Haviv Rettig Gur. But given his rhetorical questions, (such as: why is HAMAS destroying Gaza, why is Iran interested in Israel when it has no border with Israel), reveals an utter lack of understanding of Islam and compels the conclusion that he never read the Koran. If so, given that little Israel is surrounded by 22 Muslim states and over 400 million muslims, this is incredibly
incompetent of him. And, when he claims that he does not understand how could Sinwar have launched 10-7 when there must have been other sane persons in the organization, who are presumably not sociopathic or psychopathic, and could of prevented it, shows a
colossal idiocy on his part. For they are all extreme Muslims on a Jihad to establish the supremacy of Islam over Israel. Its a 1400 year religious war ordered in the Koran (i.e. the word and directive of Allah himself devoid of any morality). If that alone is not sufficiently sociopathic, I don't know what is. Wake up Haviv Rettig Gur and read the Koran--its available in Hebrew too.
I don't think you listened closely. @ 0:52 "We have enemies who think they can destroy us ...." @ 1:30 "... big religious ideologies that come for you because you play some role in a big moral historical cartoon in their own heads . . . . Welcome to Jewish history."
I think he takes it for granted that listeners have the overview you spell out in detail.
The rhetorical nature of the questions led me to think that Gur actually does know the enemy really well. He was just trying to show how incurious western journalists are that they do not notice these seeming incongruencies and ask more questions about it.
The podcaster chose 18 specific questions, & most of them were about Israelis' relationships w each other & w their government & history. I've heard him address the topics you'd prefer hearing about, in other videos. He did hint at your preferred themes early on with " . . . big religious ideologies that come for you because you play some role in a big moral historical cartoon in their own heads . . . . Welcome to Jewish history." (@ 1:30; that could apply to Islam & to Nazi thinking . . . .)
Anyway; this wasn't an open ended discussion. The podcaster had 18 specific questions in mind.
Sorry but Haviv is way more knowledgeable about Islam than your caricature of him here. If you don’t realize this, go watch his interview with The Free Press from March 21st “The Gathering Storm”, also available on RUclips, where he dives deep into the nuances of the different elements of Islam at play within the wider regional conflict.
Listen to the interview again, he mentions these questions as as a criticism of international journalists who do not bother to deeply understand the politics and ideology of the parties involved, and who do not bother asking these questions.
So, in your opinion, who would be a better PM?
Thank you for this interview, very informative.
Great interview!
That curiosity is exactly what should be the driving force of a journalist !
THE GOD OF ISRAEL, OF HIS JEWISH PEOPLE IS WATCHING EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE DURING THIS TIME.. HE KNOWS EVERY THOUGHT OF EVERY PERSON WHETHER THEY BELIEVE IN HIM OR NOT..
LORD SHOW THEM THEIR HEARTS AS YOU SEE IT..
CHANGE IN THEM WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED...
GRANT THEM THE WISDOM TO KNOW WHAT DISPLEASES YOU LORD,
BLESS THEM WITH THE STRENGTH TO MAKE THE CHANGES SO THEY MAY WALK IN YOUR RIGHTEOUS WAY, ON YOUR RIGHTEOUS PATH
And may the Lord do all this without the CAPS LOCK on
@@davidk2471 No way. It's the written transposition of the sheer loudness booming from the Evangelical pastor's microphone - without which the actual substance is rendered utterly void and will fall on nothing but deaf ears.
@@davidk2471😂😂😂 Thats too funny
I have spent months writing letters to the press such as this posted below because Americans and our journalists are not curious or probing as you note in this discussion:
Hezbollah started this war and they are terrorists …
who have infiltrated, co-opted and destroyed the nation of Lebanon-
…they are a massive mercenary army under Iran -
this was as targeted and precise a strike against an war-mongering enemy as anyone could want-
clearly you have no concept of the current military or geopolitical situation existing between Israel and Iran’s proxy terror army Hezbollah.
Why don’t you take some time to google around and read some articles about what Iran and Hezbollah have done to Israel and Lebanon.
For example-Do you know that Iran is thousands of miles away from Israel and has no business stationing a massive terrorist army on its border?
Are you cheering on the Houthis, Assad in Syria, Iran, and Hamas as well?
Why do you believe Israel has no right to defend itself against terrorists?
cuz its an arpatheid state, that has been condemed by many international instutions, you can live in your dream world and tell yourself israel is the hero and its only defending itself, but in many ways israel is the actual villian and history will tell the truth if you want it or not.
Leftie talking points. I'm an Israeli and proud of my leadership. PM Netanyahu is doing a GREAT job representimg the people of Israel 🇮🇱✊
So you didn't watch the whole thing, right?
@@davidk2471 I've heard numerous interviews with Haviv recently, not just this one. In one of them he even admits he is secretly a leftie, although he does so with some humour. It's OK to be Left Wing, just be honest amd don't hide your true intentions and thoughts. Israel has been torn from the inside because of people like that prior to Oct 7th, we don't want this BS anymore.
I'm an Israeli and I'm disgusted by him
@@r0di223 tell us why
@@davidk2471Even without being Israeli I can give you some reasons.
1. The entire Israeli defence system was completely unprepared on Oct 7. Imagine the Israeli air force went to the breached fence quickly. Hamas invaders would have been killed before most of the killing began. There would have been no hostages. It would have taken a couple of minutes for planes to get there, & a couple of hours for tanks to get there, because Israel is small.
2. There were Israeli soldier girls who wore hijabs who spied in Gaza. They knew something was brewing & their warnings were ignored. Why? Their very purpose in Gaza was to look for signs of military preparations. Why were their warnings ignored?
Unless Netanyahu proves himself there will be investigations in these matters once the war ends. He has already set himself up to fail Israel in his promises because he promises both the defeat of Hamas & the rescue of the hostages. It is a no-brainer that fulfilling both is mutually exclusive. Sinwar will keep a group of hostages as his own personal human shields to the very end, & will kill them if the IDF gets close, the way they did recently. A great leader would prepare his people that achieving both goals would be almost impossible, but he would try. Instead Netanyahu lies that he will do both, adding more impossible promises to impossible promises he has made down the years.
My theory as to why Iran is obsessed with Israel, and also why Oct. 7 was perpetrated, is this is a power struggle over who dominates the Middle-East; Iran and its proxies on one side, and Israel and Saudi Arabia on the other. Oct 7 was done to scuttle the Abraham accords, a raproachment between Israel and the Saudis. It's not as if the Saudis love Israel, but they need their expertise and technology to deter Iran. If Oct. 7 hadn't hapenned, Israel would've continued its expansion in the West Bank and the Palestinians would have been left out and forgotten. The Middle-East might have even settled down somewhat.
You are amazing Haviv! Come to Minnesota!
Great talk
I very much wanted to hear his proof of God! You kept cutting him off …why?!
Haviv is always so intelligent and interesting to listen to. I wish his disdain for Israel’s government wasn’t so apparent though, especially because the majority of Israelis do support Netanyahu. So when people complain about Netanyahu, it’s ultimately disparaging the majority of everyday Israelis who believe he is the most capable leader we have. This kind of disdain is what is driving the wedge.
Also, why should Israeli politicians show up in places where they will get brutally heckled? No one should be subjected to that, and haviv knows perfectly well that’s what would happen. These politicians are even heckled overseas by that crowd.
Most Israelis do not support Netanyahu, he has 30% support right now. And many of those who do "support" hi, say that they don't approve of how he's handling things, but don't think there's a better option out there.
In my opinion he gives this irresponsible, authoritarian, corrupt government much more respect than they deserve, they are dragging Israel into the abyss.
Interesting to hear. Unfortunately, however, pretending to be an impartial reporter, Haviv sounds like part of the dividing, a publicity outlet who enjoys the exposure he gets, in the bargain. Despite the enormity of the cost, fortunately, the 'SlamoWoke will fail and the Jihadi effort will boomerang.
Great interviewee .
Such a brilliant opening question: how do you feel as a Jew? Just utter brilliance.
Why didn't you let Haviv give his proof of God?!
As someone on the right I won't forgive bibi. But unfortunately I don't see anyone more competent. And bb is incompetent I see gantz as an American puppit I see smootrich and Ben gvir as too radical. Bennett can't be trusted. And BB is awful but I'm more worried with anyone else at the helm.
And this is after October 7th.
I still feel we would be worse off if any of bibi's opponents was prime minister during October 7th.
Fantastic
It’s a mistake to conflate the concept of a Jewish State with a religious state. Israel is the state of the Jewish nation, regardless of religiosity.
Haviv is a real Jew
Great interview!
Now is not a time for political analysis, too many enemies
Excellent interview!!!!!
Fantastic interview.All the people who had their houses burned down are displaced.The terror that was thrust upon the children & adults on October 7th is just beyond comprehension in my mind.When you think this could happen in our neighbourhoods bring me chills.I heard that the enemy are jealous of 🇮🇱 Israel.Israel is God chosen people.🙏🏻🇮🇱.They will never be defeated as Gods hand is over every Jewish & Christian person living in 🇮🇱 Israel praise God 🙏🏻Stay strong Israel & the IDF THERE ARE MILLIONS OVER THE WORLD PRAYING & SUPPORTING YOU.WE LOVE YOU ISRAEL ❤️🇮🇱🇬🇧🙏🏻
You comprehend the displacement and slaughter of the Palestinian children and families quite well though? What kind of god is in favour of this suffering?
For those of you who claim that Israel is the aggressor, remember Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2006 and also from Lebanon
but it didn't really, it still controlled the sea, air and borders and continuously committed aggressive incursions and wars..
@@abbotsful Gazs has a border with Egypt. You all like to ignore that :) And Israel never started a war exept of the six day war which also happened because of the Arabs so stop lying.
"....Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2006 and also from Lebanon"
Why are you trying to treat those mistakes as proving your virtue?
@@moranotmi i know they don't control the egyptian border, you seem to ignore everything else, Israel started the whole thing, you're probably not lying, just willfully ignorant
@@abbotsful and you are lying :)
Luckily, not all Jews in the world are like this man.
Gur, simply stated, is brilliant. If Israel doesn’t listen it will be its own greater loss. He tells the truth!
When Haviv begins an answer on his religiosity with "There is a G-d..." and is about to launch into an undoubtedly interesting point--and you interrupt him to insist on prodding him into declaring an identity affiliation...you are making a mistake.
Such a smart man
Thanks for a wonderful interview and amazing insight. I was struck by your comment that some Jews don’t know their own history. It puts so much in perspective. Can you please put the links for the books you mentioned. 🇮🇱❤️
Mr. Gur’s priorities for picking a party seem applicable in the United States.
Nobody can destroy the chosen people of God 🙏
As a Westerner and non-Jew offering an outsider’s perspective, I find Haviv provides an insightful and much-needed understanding of Israel’s position and the complexities within its society, along with a clear view of the average Israeli perspective. However, when addressing Israel's adversaries, he seems to lean toward oversimplification, often framing them through the singular lens of antisemitism and as monolithic entities driven by unified ideology of antisemitism. While antisemitism undeniably plays a role in the institutional narratives of Israel's adversaries, in my view is less central in their political strategies and the popular sentiment of their populations. Broader historical and political contexts are critical to understanding their actions. The tendency to conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism-understandable given the deep generational trauma of the Holocaust and the longer history of Jewish persecution-can sometimes blur these distinctions. A more nuanced perspective of all sides could enrich the conversation, fostering greater understanding and hopefully encouraging less hawkish, more long-term approach in Israel’s strategies toward its adversaries:) And lol yes i used chat gpt in forming this comment..)
I emotionally love 💓 Israel 🇮🇱❤️🇲🇻🫡.
I'm from Maldives 🇲🇻
I love Haviv so much 😭
I think this guy IS interesting but leans left.
This guy is fantastic, I love him. He really convinces how wonderful, and righteous, and beautiful Israel is. He also convinces how utterly stupid and wrong and evil Hamas and their supporters and sympathisers are.
This guy is......! Where in the world did he get his LOGIC?