Did Arc 7 RUIN Re:Zero?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- This week we're talking about Re:Zero Arc 7, the most controversial arc in the series. A ton of backlash, a ton of people believing this ruined the series. Did it actually though? Let's find out
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I think Arc 7 proves Tappei's ability to experiment and avoid stagnation. I get why people love the tight casts and grounded settings of the first several arcs, and why the changes to Subaru and Rem make people uncomfortable. But I think I would choose to see Tappei use this world to its fullest during Re:zero's run, without regretting leaving parts of his imagination unrealized. I would rather see the story become more bold and ambitious than taper off into predictibility, even if everything isn't as clean and tight knit. I trust the heart of the series to remain the same. Even in a new setting with such vast changes to the cast and story structure, Tappei still captures the heart of his characters and world, and is able to create emotional and impactful moments. I have faith that even if arc 8 doesn't tie up everything perfectly, I will be glad we saw this corner of Tappei's world.
The problem people have with this arc is that it makes ALL of tappei's writing problems far more evident and annoying.
Massive plot armor for literally everyone? present on pretty much every single sub-arc of Arc 7.
Death fake outs and plot convenience to save people to should have died? happens more times in arc 7 than 1-5 combined.
Plot convenience to have Subaru be exactly where he needs for the story to continue? again, happens so much it's obvious, Subaru literally gets TELEPORTED EXACTLY WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE MULTIPLE TIMES, with no explanation as to why he goes where he goes, you're gonna tell me he just so happened to go exactly where Abel was, exactly just when he was betrayed and escaped Vollachia's divine generals for Arc 7 to begin?
Subaru getting nerfed AGAIN just so he can get all of his character development AGAIN? He can't use any of his authorities until the end of Arc 7, and even then he can only use one of them, Return by Dead is nerfed for almost the entire arc, until some characters "permanently die" and then he conveniently gets the ability to go BEFORE his last checkpoint and save everyone and lose nothing.
Subaru dying more than ever, but not being nearly as impacted, he may have literally died thousands of times in Arc 7, yet he barely reacted to it, compared to Arc 6 where like 25 deaths completely broke him, even if he developed mentally in Arc 6 he was not only "reverted" in Arc 7(again) but he conveniently reverted only to be weaker in every area but actually stronger mentally to take 100x the punishmen without any of the response
@@LightVelox I totally agree about most of this stuff, especially about Subaru getting nerfed for the purposes of character development. Like in my opinion, Rem saying what she said to him after the siege nerfed him HARD by destroying his self-image, and that could have forced him to work on a different conception of himself without the need to revert him to an actual child for an insane amount of time.
The fact that being turned into a child also basically gave him a bad case of Alzheimer's also annoyed me a lot because we literally just had Subaru suffering from lost memories and going through a process of rediscovering himself in the previous arc. If Tappei wanted to keep exploring that concept of rebuilding yourself from scratch after losing your memories and being physically nerfed, Rem is RIGHT THERE! She has amnesia, doesn't remember how to use all her powers, and is physically not super capable because her legs are messed up. She already checks all the same boxes as nerfed child Subaru does, so why not just leave that to her and give Subaru a more interesting growth trajectory instead?
It's way over hated
just like rezero as a whole, the series is wayy too over HATED. people hate this series like dude did you past the first 3 episodes? 😂
@@R3in_Ch No, for the anime community? maybe, but the novel was always praised by light/web novel readers, arc 7 was the ONLY arc that people shit on constantly and got a lot of people to drop the series, the only other part of the story that has been criticized this much have been the liliana chapters, which were removed from the final release
@@LightVelox Not true because Arc 6 was immensely hated as it was releasing. Of course attitudes towards it now have changed, but it's incorrect to say the novel was always praised by light/web novel readers
@@fxzzy__ by a minority, it only started getting a considerable amount of hate during Arc 7, particularly after crossdressed and shota subaru along with the gunhive mini-arc's ending
@@R3in_Cheveryone dropped the show after ep 13
Arc 7 is my favorite arc so far. It's just so different, yet keeps the foundation of Re:Zero. A very risky decision Tappei made
I agree W risk tbh
Yoooo hundred heree? wassup bro
Pretty much sums up all my thoughts on Arc 7. I truly believe if Tappei can properly execute the pay offs for the arc in Arc 8 and beyond, Arc 7 will be much more fondly remembered. Doubly so when it comes to consequences, because doing the stuff the main cast has done in the arc is not something Lugunica would overlook.
Glad I wasn't aware of Arc 7 hate. It's awesome. And it's the first arc where you feel the size of world building Tappei done with pervious work coming together and going for something huge in scope.
i think arc 7 could benefit from a anime adaptation, they could cut parts that take too long like the childbaru part or slow parts.
Absolutely, although I'm not convinced that it'll come out before the heat death of the universe...
Only another 12 years to go at this rate...
@@decarabiaumbra560i probably gonna have kids on that time 😂
I totally agree with you, most of the hate this arc receives is due to its slow pace and how painful it feels in a week to week basis, recently I’ve re-read everything and it was a really great experience overall, every single interaction with Todd, the hide and seek game, the gladiators island plot, the Chisha Gold twist and its implications, the long awaited battle in the capital, the arrival of sphinx
arc 7 is not bad it just happened to be the arc all the new web novel readers that came after watching season 2 of the anime had to read as it came out, A binged arc 6 was always going to be a better reading experience compared to a slow chapter by chapter arc 7.
I got to binge arc 7 and let me tell you that a lot of the pacing complaints are valid. I still love it for all the reasons mentioned in the video (although I need some time to think on Natsumi Schwartz), but there are clear pacing issues that didn't exist in arc 6.
I understand why some would not like it, but I don't think it can be cool the worst arc. I personally enjoyed it with it having alot of memorable moments
Correct opinion just dropped
Holy shit Arc 5 so low on your list is surprising. It developed on SO MANY characters it's insane. Garfiel, the Astrea family, all of the candidate camps, the Archbishops. I feel like saying it pushed the story more than all of the other arcs combined wouldn't be an overstatement. I'd personally put it up there right behind Arc 6.
Besides that awesome video, as a person halfway through Arc 7 having my doubts, I really appreciate it and am on my way to check out the rest of your content. Cheers!
Arc 7 and Arc 8 are my most favorite arcs. The characters are complex and amazing while worldbuilding is the best in the series.
What I am really curious about is how will they cover this in the anime, they will either not animate the extra side stories and leave the viewer confused, they will push them out as a series of ova's as a buildup to arc 7 or they will include them in the normal run of the anime.
I really don't think that they won't animate side stories. It will just ruin arc 7-8 for a lot of anime onlys if they don't.
My guess is that they will do them either as OVAs before arc 7 or as little miniarcs during the season.
Based on how much work and love went into the making of season 2 (no openings and endings just to prolong the episode), if the studio stays the same then I have full faith that they will properly adapt all needed SS content for these arcs.
@@ybaBeulBi really dont think the side stories were as important as people think to understanding arc 7. i dont really read re zero arc stories and i was able to understand fairly well. most of the moments gain a better appreciation when you have extra context but its entirely optional imo. tappei is really good at integrating side content, and it wouldn’t be side content if he thought it was important enough to include in the main story.
i think part of the reason people think so is because they already had prior knowledge to side content because of how easily accessible it is for us over here. and seeing something you gained extra context for made people think it was more necessary than it was.
theres probably a few examples that were a bit confusing and i wont deny that but i would say like 90% of the shit that happened doesn’t need extra context
I read / listen to reviews of all of arc 7 without side stories. It is somewhat confusing but I do the heresy of googling characters I don’t know and reading there backstories on a wiki.
I don't know if it's due to me liking arc 7 so much that im actually not understanding the hate it gets or is it simply due to me engaging with a lot and i mean A LOT of discussion regarding this arc's that i think most cristisim is only personal taste with very few criticism that you have already stated in the video, so im gonna share my thoughts on one of them which is the yorna plot lines and the important of her theme of love ( this will be long and full of spoilers)😂
First of all the yorna plot point being seen as nothing but a very not needed formula to add deapth to the story and the world building, and while this is somewhat true ( the part about the world building and such) that couldn't be any further from the truth because yorna love and her relationship with yogard her lover is the living manifestation of Subaru and sattela relationship
Yorna and yougard fall in love with each other 400 years ago however a tragedy strike and yorna was killed, not just that but her body was torned to pices by the wolf people and the mole people which lead to one of the cruelest genocide that the history has ever witness, the king of thrones yougard upon learning about the fate of he's beloved yorna or rather iris demanded everyone in vollachia to kill any werewolf or a mole people or even anyone who looks like them out of grive, and the way they did it? They burned them alive or cut their their limps and display it for everyone to see
He didn't stop there but he cursed he's own lover with a semi immortality curse where every time she dies she will end up being reporn again, yorna lived her life and found strength in this life, she has new name, new life, new desires and also new profunded love that doesn't have anything to do with yougard obsessive love with her ( yeah that man is a huge red flag) yet....he comes back again and her love to him made her so weak that she returned to be iris he's lover rather than yorna the women who loves everyone
" Yorna who used to love everyone is now returning to iris who loved one man and one man only going against everything and everyone, so what will happen to Subaru when he remember sattela? Would he suffer the same fate?" Im honestly a big fan of the Japanese community, not just that they are chiling with this arc with me but also because of their incredible ability to pick up on stuff I didn't notice before and this is one of them
Subaru in the shadow garden is OBSESSED with Sattela, so much so that she becomes all of he's concern, loving sattela and the sins that comes with is basically what creat him inside that dark cold place, and obviously sattela shares the same felling and perhaps even more, however our Subaru have no memories of such a thing, he doesn't know anything like that at all, for him these feelings is something he shouldn't possess, so what will happen if he remembered? What will happen if he knew about who she really is to him?
Either if it was a part of Subaru memories or fragments of he's soul it doesn't matter, because the Natsuki Subaru in the shadow garden is not the Subaru we know, just like how iris who loves only one man is not the yorna we know
Sattela cursed Subaru with a power that will never let him truly die and it's the same for yougard who cursed he's lover out of love ( by the way RBD was described by Minerva as a form of love and that Subaru should be grateful) both sattela and yougard are obsessed with their supposed lover enough to curse them in the name of love
Both yorna and Subaru shares a two different personality that is completely different than the other, Subaru in the shadow garden makes sattela he's one and only while our Subaru quote on quote " Loves everyone" iris persona loved yougard and was loyal to him and him only but yorna love and help everyone and doesn't wish harm upon others just like the soft hearted Subaru
Right now yorna is too weak to yougard because while 400 years was enough to make her " forget" even he's face in the moment she saw him and he applied he's power on her yorna immediately remembered everything, as if triggered by the pain in her chest yorna becomes iris once again because she wasn't able to stand against her lover
So the question is " if Subaru remembered, or if he see or gained the memories he had of sattela just like what happened briefly in arc 4 would he do what yorna did? will he do quite the opposite? Or will he find another solution?" No matter what is the answer for that question i think that yorna is one of the most interesting character in arc 7 and her importance is not just for the plot but also her relationship with yougard with how he cursed her in the name of love just like sattela did to Subaru is in amazing foreshadowing for the future plot point between these two
Parts of it are good. And the writing in itself is great. It's just the amount of side stories you need to understand and appreciate it. I hate how long Subaru is staying shota. I also find myself wanting the main crew and not really caring for all these new characters. Dunno. Not bad, just not the Re:Zero we love.
while fair i also feel like this felt like a natural development to push subaru as a character. hes already comfortable with his current friends and relationships so denying that from him feels like the only way to push the stakes and further develop his character. i think thats part of what makes these arcs so interesting, at least imo. the entire series has always been about putting subaru increasingly uncomfortable and foreign situations.
its also partially implied that arc 7 and to an extent arc 8, were added in by tappei and weren’t apart of his initial plan. not really “filler” but could explain why its kind of like the black sheep of the arcs.
Arc 7 is about relying on yourself. As past arcs stated , it's okay to rely on others for support,but there are times when you can only rely on yourself. Subaru was separated from everyone who supported him and was thrown into a land where individual strength is above all else. To survive Subaru had to become more selfish , become more cunning and accept his pride. To accept himself
Everything in arc 7 revolves around strength. Vollakia is built on strength. Every character we met was connected to the idea of strength in some form. And what happened in the end ? Vollakia's never ending pursuit and glorification of strength ended up biting them in the ass with Sphinx abusing their bloodshed to start the great calamity
Now it's up to Subaru to prove that strength isn't an answer to everything. To fight for himself and others
It's a good follow up message to arc 6, that was all about Subaru learning that he's truly someone special and capable
Arc 7 is really not about self-reliance. The arc has Subaru relying on other people and getting their help. Case in point, Volume 31 and the Pleiades Battalion. He couldn't do everything alone. Furthermore, self-reliance was Arc 4's theme. The author even said so.
Also, isn't "Great Calamity" the name given to Satella's rampage 400 years ago? The ongoing thing in Vollachia is called the Great Disaster. They're two separate terms.
cooked with natsumi portion
Great video. The discussions of character dynamics and pacing, as well as the Yorna, Natsumi, Rem, and Todd sections, were well-informed. On the Royal Selection, it's very odd that people ignore its influence and appear to be reverse coping for stuff to happen with it by saying nothing will. Another point that's especially important is that a lot of people aren't factoring in the Web Novel's release window when they think about the arc's pacing. Just as you said, it's probably going to continue like that until the end of time unless the author chooses to take a hiatus and write the Web Novel in advance for a year. The whole side story debacle has its own comment already. While Arc 7 is very "messy" for certain reasons that you've already brushed over, its high points, its characters, and if its impact will land properly, really can make the whole arc (Plus Arc 8) worth reading.
Not even up to arc 6 yet, i just want to make sure that i dont have anything to worry about for arc 7 and 8 because I hear a lot of crap about them for some reason.
same lol
My only issue with Arc 7 is that you come after the reading of the masterpiece that is Arc 6, in my opinion the one of the best storytelling ever, and you expect me to handle the fact that there will be almost no character development for any of the main cast.
I think it’s important for Re:Zero as a sort of isekai parody to have its own take on a “foreign nation” arc.
Re:Zero subverts a lot of these isekai tropes, and seeing a more brutal take of the stranger in a strange land (again) arc is really cool. Plus it lets Tappei address sidestory lore, introduce supporting characters, world build outside Lugunica.
I think the people that complain about Arc 7, are almost exclusively people that watch Jakez123 summaries and don't actually read it on WCT.
it's an extremely good read.
Thanks for the Natsumi section. It always felt weird to me seeing how upset people would get at discussions of relating Subaru to the trans experience. Even if Subaru isn't meant to be trans, some fans seem to be pretty okay getting transphobic about it lol
Please wake me up in 2030 and tell me if Arcs 8 and beyond paid off this entire "sidequest".
damn i can relate to that
I think arc 8 is making anything one might not enjoy worth it. It’s the perfect harmony between pre arc 7 and arc 7
True, Arc 8 has been an absolute banger so far. Especially the first and most recent Volumes.
Yo where can i read it i cant find anything anywhere
@@papersonic9941where could i read the LN
@@shamblingshangler9139 The LN in English goes up to Arc 6. You need to either buy it or pirate it. If you want to be up to date, what you can read (for free, even!) is the Web Novel, which is available in English in the site Witch Cult Translations.
@@shamblingshangler9139 it’s not really online bro. The web novel is online and translated by Witch Cult Translations. If you want to read the light novel you’ll have to buy it like a civilized person lol
Great video! It should be noted that the current arc 8 was originally planned to be a part of arc 7 but was separated, so I do think we should consider arcs 7 and 8 as one complete storyline once it’s all said and done
Vollachia was never not going to be controversial considering the entire arc of vollachia gives that vibe of being lost at the grocery store away from your parents as a kid. Tappei always finds new ways to fuck with subarus mental every arc, it's natural some of those ways would bother readers.
You have to be careful about adding too many new characters that they overshadow the main ones. I think arc 7 is OK, but its a little confusing at times to what's going on. If these characters don't tie into the overall story then imo its a wasted arc/filler.
I really enjoy anime that delve into politics. I liked Reincarnated Slime mostly for all of the politicking, and gave Kado a chance for the same reason. These last couple of arcs have me invested in the aftermath- Emilia, the witch-looking half-elf, and her witch-cult-scented knight who pissed off the entire knighthood, with her menagerie of literal demon maids, a part-beastfolk maid, part-beastfolk officer, and the most controversial court mage in history who has deep ties to another witch, deeply involved themselves in the Civil War of an enemy nation in an effort to place the rightful emperor (a.k.a. the one Lugunica recognizes as a potential hostile power) back onto his own throne and dragged a number of other Royal Selection candidates along for the shenanigans. And of course Subaru is currently looking to install not one but two major national leaders at this point - but the amount of controversy Emilia will be picking up from her own nation, while receiving the backing of what has previously been considered a hostile nation, makes the political situation in this world highly tumultuous. No one wants a leader they can't trust, but they're also still reeling from the effects of the demi-human war and are likely not jumping at the chance to start another war by refusing the person backed by another country. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
you might be interested in my video about the Royal Selection. Just talking about the politics of Re:Zero at this moment in time!
The fact ppl are doubting his writing is crazy as early as arc 4 we were forced to see the story on a larger scale and now that they are doing that on an even larger scale in arc 7 it’s a problem? I think there’s supposed to be a total of 11 or more arcs and the story of rezero would feel flat if we didn’t get to see Subaru travel to different lands across the world… it’s also a thing to point out arc 4 introduced new characters too and brought side characters to the stage and it worked out jus fine jus like the guy in this RUclips video said there’s no reason for us to lose faith in the author’s writing yet because a lot of these new characters are enjoyable and vibrant I think rezero does a great job with making memorable characters that have a different feel than most anime characters
imo re zero is at its best when it's close, personal and small in scope. that's what we got just before arc 7 in arc 6. arc 6 starts like a big scope adventure, but that's not what it turns out to be at all. arc 7 starts small in scope and many readers love early arc 7. but when the rebellion plot kicks in we move from place to place, from situation to situation introducing more and more characters. that's where it lost a lot of people
yep, exactly on the nose here. i would say arc 7 was very perfect up until subaru turns into a child. thats when too many things start happening. im barely getting back into arc 7 and i stopped just before the great disaster shit and vincent preparing for some more stuff. subaru turning into the shadow thing and stargazers being introduced.
i was really just too much stuff all at once and while it didn’t feel convoluted, it just felt like i need to stop until things built back up. i wouldn’t even necessarily say i was “bored” more just overwhelmed with everything going on. now im glad i waited because it feels better to binge everything at once
@@demifolk8940i think an anime adaptation would help because im not judging your capabilities in imagining stuff while reading a novel, but that what makes you (and me) overwhelmed by this arc and felt burnt out.
Therefore seeing this series in animated would be better experience. just like s1 ep15 & 18, nobody from the novel readers expected them to be that good, and when the anime came out , the rest is history
Just started but I know you’re about to cook
The thing that this arc itch me is that so many side story and if character got put in it and character would reference specific plot point form that.
I mean it cool but my initial read was completely (mostly) blind like I know the characters in the if story but the ex and other no clue.
Plus shouting out to jake... I forgot the rest of the name for giving some guidance on who and what they mean
Ps: it's ironic that i forgot the name
I feel the same way. I didn't read any of the side content ahead of time, and so I didn't feel very attached to some of the characters. Even now, I don't really care very much about Vincent, even having spent a lot of time with him in arc 7.
My main problem with Arc 7 is that it doesn't really feel like an actual arc. Very little of what gets set up in the arc actually gets resolved within the arc, and it feels like Tappei should have just left arcs 7 and 8 as one big giant arc. I also have a really hard time liking child Subaru. He spends so, so long doing the whole "baby's first case of Alzheimer's" thing, and at a certain point I just want to be able to read the protagonist I've been familiar with.
I have been waiting for this video. I'll always truly love Arc 7, since this Arc is where I've joined the fandom truly and got to experience the chapters as they where uploaded
Good to see you here Lao
I love the theme of Arc 7 with being self-reliant but the arc itself has been pretty uninspiring so far. It is almost entirely a setup and a lot of the new characters have some of the worst outfits in Re:zero.
The relase is honestly the worst part, especially since it's a whole new cast and a lot of important backstory was part of side stories . Pretty decent arc, but depending on how much is cut could lead with people to haye the anime as well.
Good video but there are two points I disagree with. The first is that I think many people are justified with disliking the crossdressing content because of the possibility that it could get into the messy world of gender politics which have been shown over here in the West to always lead to God awful products. It isn't that people are afraid there'll discover something about themselves through seeing Subaru in drag, but rather the fact that this could be a sign that the story will be going downhill and just becoming a left wing propaganda fest. I would rather not see overly left leaning or right leaning story beats brought up in Re:zero. I do think you demonize the people that are put off by the Subaru crossdressing stuff and should try to be more understanding about the worry that Re:zero could collapse just like so many Western shows or movies because of gender politics.
Second point i disagree with is that I think it's completely justifiable to prefer the old Rem to the new Rem, especially with the growing possibility that memories Rem is never coming back. Back in arc 3 it was Rem who was the single person who stood by Subaru when literally everyone else turned him away, which boosted her likability through the roof. So seeing her potentially gone for good and replaced with a Rem who has had no positive interactions and has actively put Subaru in harms way has made her a far less likable character than in arc 3. I personally would have been far more interested in seeing a Rem who still held her love for Subaru also grow in other areas of her character. Basically her becoming independent from Subaru while also being a rock to Subaru and Subaru being a rock to her. Also just another reason that I like Rem is because her interactions with Subaru are more entertaining than compared to Emilia, simply because so many of Emilia's and Subaru's interactions boil down to Emilia being confused by Subaru's words and calling him a dunderhead and Subaru saying 'no one says that' followed up by screaming 'EMT!'
Sorry if i'm rambling and not trying to be a hater but it's just these two points really bothered me.
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Re zero is a story made in the east, it shouldnt have to abide nor are people in the west fully justified in disliling the crossdressing. Western readers should expect things like this to happen when reading literature from a vastly different culture such as eastern literature.
Also, i dont think one or two instances or crossdressing means itll be delving into real world politics, because that'd be a stretch. Its like seeing an instance of discrimination in a story like this and thinking it means itll devolve to soapboxing.
Basically, Re zero's potential political references shouldnt be compared to western politics in that kind of manner
I mean, with all of the trauma Subaru has experienced, I'm not surprised has mental illness.
i mean even at worst to people who think it is, it's still better than 95% of other media...
ALso props to tappei doing what he wants to do and not be afraid and bold to make decisions most won't make.
Funnily enough arc 7 discourse started after new rem came to be hmmm...
Not really a surprise. She's a large part for the fandom. It's natural her return and character redirect would intrigue and upset people. It'll be interesting to see where it goes, but a little annoying that it's not going at a somewhat faster pace.
damn i agree with both of you
Arc 7 adds another man to Subaru's Harem this time in the Form of an Emperor!
After seeing what happened to yurna in arc 8 this video hit much harder 😢 as for Louis then let's say her existence will create a problem in the future
1: Why would you spoil that other characters get relevant moments? If people who've only read Arc 7 see this, then they'd receive spoilers on Rui's relevance. Granted, it's not as bad as that one guy who spoiled something else about her on a previous video.
2: Asa is already caught up with Arc 8, so while he's already aware of all of this, other people may not be.
@@ShadowKoto there's no indication of anything except that there's something that gonna happen in the future, same for Louis, so honestly I don't even know what you are talking about
@@jumbo_jin5657 Light spoilers and foreshadowing can also build excitement for upcoming events and keep retention. Had I not watched the sub where season is foreshadowed, I would not still be interested in the show seven years after my first watching.
I kinda like how every character, that is in Subaru side or start as an good helper to hiim, in some point grow or get his personal development on his own person. Like, Emilia did in the recent arc's, Garfild in doing right now and Otto's did as well and because of that i don't see a problem with Rem starting to discovery who she is again. To Subaru case the stakes are aways or lose everything, lose a little or win everything and learning something out of it as a person soo.. it get strange when some part of the fandom don't get why the stakes are for Subaru himself and how this will effect other people more than the girl that like him is not the same now.
Arc 7 will be better in the anime, the opposite of how Arc 4 was worse in the anime (because it's neigh-unadaptable)
I like arc 7. It's nice exploring other places in the world over the course of an entire arc (arc 8 too) instead of staying in one country like Naruto did for 95% of the series. I occasionally think about how Kishimoto was going to explore the other countries with more missions before the chuunin exams but then got rushed by his editor to skip straight to the exams. For Tappei to take us out of Lugunica is such a relief, especially with Kishimoto's editor in mind.
Todd is the best part of Arc7. Dude give Subaru more trouble than every archbishop so far.
For me personally I love what's being done with Louis so far. I can understand that it doesn't feel like she's her own character, but I love the way that she's being used to push other characters to develop, and I personally don't see that as a bad thing. Given how many mysteries there are surrounding Louis so far, I think it's safe to say that her character conclusion is still quite far away, and it's my opinion that her contributions in arc 7 are merely setup for what's to come regarding her own character, and not just other's.
it’s really weekly reader syndrome, even tho its not weekly lmao. also just the shift in themes, characters, and narrative changes tappei did.
for some context, arc 6 wn was on hiatus for a pretty damn long time. it was very slowly updating from before SEASON ONE of the anime aired, and finally started up again after season 2 ENDED. thats a 5 years difference. basically, most people coming off of season 2 were able to binge up everything up to that point. and because it was left off at the climax of arc 6, every chapter was incredible. reading this with the community as the chapters released was absolutely one of my favorite moments in this community. everyone losing their shit to tappei suddenly updating more than he ever did in the past 5 years (2 and a half years technically for us english speakers, since the translation caught up in 2018) was incredible. it literally happened out of nowhere, tappei was throwing chapters out every day.
but then arc 7 started up and tappei did his classic build-up he always does. people were impatient about rem… complaining about subarus defective gate as the chapters continued. kept asking questions when they would obviously be answered later or getting mad at things that were being teased for later. it was so annoying to see everyone switch up like that.
also people’s misconception that you needed to read side stories… as someone who read the side content after basically finishing arc 7, i can safely say thats a bunch of bullshit. tappei literally goes out of his way to explain the lore you need to understand whats going on. the information also isnt “needed” its just nice to know more about character motivation and stuff but its not necessary to get whats happening. oh, vincent and Priscilla have a weird relationship? okay i guess. theres a spell that resurrects people? alright easy to understand. someone tried to assassinate vincent a year ago? it’s genuinely not needed at all, but it does help i wont lie. i don’t think tappei is as stupid as people think he is… he very obviously is writing around the side stories. and some side stories do have “vital” lore but it turns out that extra lore is just introduced anyway somewhere way further down the line.
this will affect the anime, i was only able to understand shit because tappei would have a paragraph giving a small summary of what info i needed to know from whatever side story content was being introduced. thats why i was able to understand what was going on. but like 80% of the conflict and major plot points in arc 7 was completely original content. anything subaru or remake related usually didnt need knowledge of side stories. if they adapt any ex novel, i think the only one they really need to do is ex5. arakiya, vincent, priscillia, als time on gladiator island, and just a general understanding of the volachian royalty being included would be more than enough to help people be a little less lost.
I feel side stories is the problem, because this arc doesn’t give attachment in terms of world building. In terms of the shift, it had no buildup, and these characters became main characters, rather than the protagonists of the whole story, and people were disappointed because there was no buildup, and sidelining og, in terms of entire shift killer interest in story
Knowing Subaru's character and personality from the start of the series, ofc he would crossdress at some time in the story.
It made me drop reading so I would say yes. Hated Subaru turning into a kid and Rem missing her memory
i feel like the arc being way too long for its own good. im just tired reading it, it is interesting but i just miss the main cast.
I Rem missing her memory, but I didn't like Subaru turning into a kid with memory problems when he just had amnesia in the previous arc. Like please, just let Subaru be himself for five minutes.
@@bbmul1572 I know right, no need to revert him to a kid. The guy was learning to be a man and now the age gap is weird for him dating Emilia
I loved ReZero for MC alone, and arc 7 has criminally too little of him.
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I agree that him slipping into the natsumi persona was mostly because Natsuki Subaru as an Identity was failing him, and he wanted to embody somebody else who could be strong.
Idk about the reasoning though. Is it really because the women in his life are strong? Or is it just because this is the easiest way to not be Natsuki Subaru? I think Subaru just has identity issues period. He started doing the makeup/cross dressing thing as an art when he was a kid, so ultimately the people he meets here don't have much of an effect on that choice.
I'm sure there's probably a lot of transphobia around Natsumi. Most of what i saw was people just upset that this gimmick was going on this long.
Subaru isn't trans, so it could be a little difficult to understand why this was done for so long ig
While I agree that there's a very unnecessary hate towards this I would say that I understand why some fans will get upset with this notion, because I'm one of the people who think that it's only self insert desires to make Subaru relatable to them and nothing more
The complexity that comes with Natsumi was described on one sentence by tappei which is
" Natsumi Schwartz was the perfect manifestation of everything Subaru wanted to be" this line is actually what started all of this mess however I think it's extremely understandable when we think about Subaru thought of himself as a man and how he thinks that he's not a " man enough" and will never be, in fact we get a chapter in arc 7 under the same name " it's hard being a man" and knowing Japan then hell yeah it's pretty freaking hard
Subaru was never interested in make up or cross dressing at a very young age, and why would he? It wasn't among he's interest and there was no reason for him to do that, however what stuck in Subaru mind was that single memory of when he was in the kindgarden and all the children were playing with him because he looked like in adorable gir, when Subaru know about that he rushed to he's mother and start crying
Subaru didn't start to use make up and thinking about cross dressing until he started to hit dark bottom and nothing he did caused people to pay any attention to him, he can't be he's father son nether can he be the funny clown that makes everyone laugh because at the end everyone abandoned him, Subaru was desperate to be something or someone.... however he's ideal couldn't shape itself to take the form of a man
Men are masculine, cool, collective, strong and independent, that's how Subaru sees how a man should be, if we go back again in season one some even described Subaru thought on what a " man" and a " women" or how they should be as a toxic masculinity, he's ideal is basically he's father and then Wilhelm both of them are strong individuals however Subaru doesn't see himself equal to them
They are handsome and so is the men around him, all of them are gorgeous yet Subaru is nothing to them, all of them are strong physical but Subaru is not, all of them are a capable individuals but Subaru is not, Natsumi is the manifestation of Subaru deepest desires yet it's also the manifestation of all of he's insecurities combined, put make up to look more beautiful because he can't do that as a man ( men don't wear make up to look prettier Reinhart and Julius doesn't and they are still quite handsome, if they didn't do it then how could he? ) men doesn't need to act strong they should be strong, they don't act confident they should be confident, Subaru in a way feel like he's a pathetic excuse of a man, he's insecurities as a man is basically what created Natsumi
However I agree that Subaru is somewhat a feminine boy, in sloth IF the master Subaru was working with said that Subaru was in odd case among the male workers that he had before and that's why Subaru was capable of getting along with the famle workers and they were quite fond of him too, Subaru unlik all of the tough and show off boys was quite... feminine, he likes making dresses for Beautiful people, he's good at house work and he pretty much show no sign of being ashamed by that ( due to their time period this is extremely weird) so Subaru being a feminine boy who suffer anxiety because he doesn't think that he's a man enough and thus use Natsumi as a mask to hide behind is what my overall thought on this
For me Natsumi and Shotabaru are interesting gimmicks, but they would seem to overstay their welcome, mostly with Shotabaru continuing to this day. The main issue with them imo is that these personas don't allow for Subaru to fully be himself, to make mistakes and grow for himself, and it feels like an almost unnecessary continuation of the types of growth he received in arcs 4 and 6.
i haven't followed the WN since the end of arc 6 or so but but fem subaru being around FOR A WHOLE NOVEL is making me wanna pick it up again
I really love this arc the only real complain I have is that you have to read the EX volumes to even give 2 shits about some characters
Arc 7 was a wild ride, how people are talking about arc 7, reminds me of how people didn't like arc 4/5 when it was still going on! Subaru had to accept how people change and you can't put anyone on pedestal including yourself. Which builds on what subaru learned in arc 6 and what it means to be natsuki subaru, I think every arc builds on the previous lessons and themes. I can't wait to see how much subaru grows going forward. Subaru is still learning how to love himself and accept the love around him which is an ongoing process hence why subaru takes steps forward and backward.
Damn i "i know" chapter discussion was very brief,but its understandable...that chapter can't be reviewed properly until we know how RBD works..rest is upto person preference of saving or killing of the gladiator cast
I think there are some glaring flaws of the arc but calling it "muh ruined" simply because it looks worse compared to fucking arc 6 (which was an outstanding "season" even by anime standards) is just wrong. I liked Tappei experimenting with new characters and themes. Todd Arakiya Medium Vincent Chisha Ubilk Madelyn were all great characters. I hated how some of them just relies on side stories that are hard to access for EN readers. I hated how Tappei is scared of perma killing some unimportant characters (although this might be a future plot point for subaru) and i didn't like Tappei redeeming Rui. I also like Nu-Rem way more than old Rem and i am looking forward to what Tappei will do with her.
All in all arc 7 was great. I think it is better than arc 5 but worse than 6 and 4. Closer to 4 i think which is a good place for a new "experimental" arc to be in. Of course it might get higher with its conclusion in arc 8 because they are basically one big arc seperated into two.
Tons of people, Its largely a vocal minority basically the one the dwells in discord.
Majority are still reading it silently as usual.
Anyways the title gives off wrong impression that its the majority opinion when its not.....
Watched the full video....as expected its mostly pacing which is again like he pointed out he has to follow a schedule unlike his previous arcs ...Also hope the louis complaints are valid for arc 7 only.....because we know what happens in arc 8.
Finally Side stories,i Personally happy because i author actually is not sdeilineing them but actually resolving those plot lines in middle of series instead of end where they might be rushed or just not acknowledged.
Regarding Rem in this arc, I can see where this can go very, very badly. Rem was a poster waifu for good reason. Her scenes in arc 3 are just incredibly touching, and she was Subaru's first true ally. Emilia was fond of Subaru and treated him well, but Rem was there for him 100%, and in a series as dark as Re:Zero, as brutal to its main character as it was then (And is now), that really mattered.
Audiences sympathizing with Subaru really felt her loss in Arc 4. As much as I love Re:Zero, as it went from 4 Onwards, I kept thinking "I miss Rem", and the story made sure to remind me. It was also done in a way that made her a goal, a prize. She wasn't slain. This wasn't a fight to avenge her, to honour her memory, it was a fight to get her back. The next two Arcs gradually whittling away at that until finally, at long last, she returns in arc 7. She however is not the Rem we fought for. Being so close, yet so far, naturally stings.
I like new Rem, especially for how she compliments Arc 7 Subaru, and shows his continual growth as a character. But my feels deeply miss old Rem. The story is teasing at what was lost, at what may be regained. If the New Rem never merges with the Old Rem, if all the efforts of getting her memories back are fruitless, then it will be a crushing blow that I fear not even Tappei can write well enough to justify. Tappei knew well enough when he made Rem she would be liked. Maybe not as much as the ideal waifu that holds up to this day, but he knew.
In short. Like Subaru, while I appreciate this is new Rem and will treat her as such, I want old Rem back. My feels can't take much more of this.
I very much hated arc 7 from a worldbuilding and lore perspective. It completely overhauls and supplants the magic system and rules of the world that we know so far. This makes it seem like anything goes and therefore it almost impossible for me to be invested in anything, as I figure that some new deus ex machina magical thing will come to save (or ruin) the day....
In summery it just tries to change too much, too quickly.
In addition I just found I just don't care about any of the new characters. There is still so much more that should be done with the current characters without dumping a whole new countries worth of characters on us.
I will say arc 7 has thrown me for a loop (im still reading it) however i kinda enjoy it arc 7 is 110 chapers long and when i first saw that i was like *holy shit* however i love re zero and relate strongly to its character's so i resolved myself to read it and while its definitely leaving me a little confused i also know that thats just re zero some times and so far im enjoying it
I was just about to start reading this arc
It's a bit bloated but it has many great moments. Definitly not the worst.
For what its worth about the Al backstory, at least tenpanshuu 1 is *supposedly* finally getting an english translation at yen press. They announced it this year. We will see if it happens and if the quality is there.
Will it be EX 6 then I assume?
@@EnderMon Ex 6 is not the same thing as Tanpenshuu 1. Some of Al's backstory was in Ex 5, and another side story with him will be in Tanpenshuu 1. But they're two separate things.
@@ShadowKoto if Yen press is doing it then what will it be in? As far as I know they have only done books
@@EnderMon It's a book... What else would it be? Ex and Tanpenshuu are just two completely different sub-book series for Re: Zero.
@@ShadowKoto wait you mean to tell me I’ve been missing out on content?!
Unless it’s not in English. I can’t exactly read Japanese.
Yes it flopped
i see what you did there
Bruh we get Todd Fang in this arc. My favorite villain by far.
I never realized until now, Todd is Subaru’s Vergil
Todd is my favorite villian ever. Taipei really just made a regular human the scariest antagonist.
No so regular… But yeah I agree, he’s a pain to deal with for Subaru and I like that.
Ok, maybe not a regular human, but when compared to the reality breaking supermen that Subaru has to face daily, Todd is pretty regular. Which is what makes him the scariest.
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There are two factions of re:zero watchers. Those who hate it and those who glaze it.
I'm just glad they added characters who actually challenge subarus ideals
People shit on Arc 7, but I actually liked it a lot. Arc 8 on the other hand... There are a very few extremely good chapters, but considering both should be one Arc, I feel tappei is dragging this "final fight" of retaking the capital more than needed. There's 39 WN chapters and somehow I get the feeling that almost nothing happened. Wouldn't be surprised if there's 2 or 3 whole volumes after 36 (the one he's currently writing).
He's taking advantage of the fact that he made them into separate arcs.
Give it a few years and people say it’s the best
No front, but I personally don't have a issue with Felix cross dressing or what ever. It just feels somewhat weird/ unnatural to get a plot line where suberu crossdresses.
The gender roles in this story are never clearly addressed to the reader and thus this being the only time it's being touched upon (even if it's just tangentially) it just comes off as unnatural.
Sure you could argue that we got some sort of hint st it with Felix who tries to dress in order to compensate for krush's need to be overly Manly.
But that just reinforces the normal gender roles we have here as well?
And Felix is a exception in this story.
If the author actually gave me a worldview that I could consider and see as understable it wouldn't feel awkward.
I think that even the dynamic between krush and Felix is left fairly unexplored.
To then have crossdressing thrown in there feels less like it's about the story and more that it serves a different purpose. (be it fans service or a political goal /statement)
To call it anti intellectual just because people can't exactly voice their opinions about this weird unattural feeling just seems cheap to me.
The re zero fandom is full of these people who try to act pseudo intelligent but are actually big 0 iq 🐒
I literally havent seen anything like it from other media @@RoboPutinPresidentinCE
Finally im here to say it... YES!
you are not SILLY!
Great video, the effort is quite noticeable🫶
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Just to throw it out there for people that did not notice or didnt nolife analized the trailer
Sirius that called herself the self name as betelgeuse is almost fully covered with bandages.
What are the features you can make out from the trailer?
Silver hair
Purple eyes
Pointy ears that look like elf ears
Juat let that sink in and think avout what these characteristics remind you of
I kinda joke around that Yorna and ChaosFlame is just a power of pure and working communisim and I think thats quite funny
Did he say that in japan the recent light novel volumes have the side stories in it ?
Asa was incorrect. I would not blame him for misunderstanding this at all, as he has not been able to familiarize himself with how the short stories are released. That being said...
At certain stores, when you purchase a Re:Zero volume, you'll get one of three side stories in a small 5-7 page booklet alongside it. You have to buy the volume three times at three separate stores to get all of them.
How do I know Arc 7 was good? Because it made me uncomfy and that’s what Re: Zero does best. At this point there’s a bit of a safety to Subaru. He’s got all his friends who love him, he’s got about as much credibility as one can ask for. Those are the two things Subaru has been able to build and save since he got to the new world.
So how do we mix it up? Subaru gets plunged into darkness sent out into a completely new area with a girl he absolutely hates and a now reawakened face of a girl he deeply loves and has been the face he has drawn the most inspiration from, now knows nothing of it and could care less because he has death smell miasma and murderous intent for a random child that she doesn’t know stole her name and memories.
Subaru cannot reveal his real feelings to explain his actions because it would be way too much and Rem would not believe him and this starts a divide immediately. Then it’s just uncomfortable all over again. Subaru needs to reestablished himself in an entirely new area with new people while having to confront the very face that pushed him to get to where he was in the first place but now doesn’t see him as that person.
Most of arc 7 I was just really in my feels for Subaru. He’s already done so much to be the person he is to earn all the friends and credibility he deserved. Taken away and then has to get kicked down by Rem the person who inspired him most and he basically has to rethink what being a hero means to himself and to others . The pain and heart wrenching events that Subaru has to go through in this arc all makes it worth it in true Re: Zero fashion when the payoffs start to come.
Subaru gains a huge following and is able to overcome being an entirely new presence in a new place. A No one basically becomes the biggest X factor to solving the issues in Vollachia. This is more so for later but we are getting more and more details into Rems true feelings. The people who said Rem only loved the fake personality hero version of Subaru were always wrong and this arc just proved that point forward. Even without memories or admitting “he isn’t a hero” while seeing him once again fail and be at his lowest point in the arc or by not having an inferiority complex built from her past. She still is developing deep feelings for Subaru because the thing she liked most about his true nature was his unwavering ability to fight and try his hardest despite being heavily flawed and “weak” but she is now a Tsundere due to still not understanding the world around her or what her feelings actually mean yet.
That’s what we start to get going into arc 8 which has been amazing so far. Arc 7 was just setting up, arc 8 is going to be the payoffs for his efforts and we will see how the plots end by the time we are finished with arc 8. I will say the only thing I’m not enjoying as much is too many new characters coming in too fast and now it’s a free for all everywhere with many many different perspectives.
It's completely different and there's so much going on, most of the time I had completely forgotten about most of the characters from the previous arcs. I can't wait to see some of these scenes animated! I'm really excited to see Olbart on the rooftop and and how they work with some of the more brutal deaths! I didn't get any sort of "woke" vibes whatsoever from Subaru's crossdressing. I haven't watched any Hollywood shows or movies in recent years because of the politics. The development was very well done imo. Him as a child on gladiator island was also great! I loved the way he went about solving problems vs. older Subaru but I agree that the trope seems a bit too long at this point.
NGL watching this made me dissapointed as an anime fan. If you are telling me the story is going to keep spinning it wheels and resolve nothing while just adding new stuff for ever then i've lost interest :c
We definitely do learn more and get answers, but it happens rather slowly. The author has stated that there are essentially 3 big mysteries, and we generally think we'll get the answers to those in the final arc. But we still definitely get answers to some mysteries. We also get lots (like, A LOT) of good character moments and development throughout 5 and 6 (and I'd say 7 and 8) that it's more than worthwhile to stick with Re: Zero. Let the ride carry you
arc 7 8 was peak
I'm also afraid that 😕 once they make this into anime re zero might get canceled 😢 i really hope not but people hate it and I do too. Maybe if they made hall arc 7 and half the if story's it might save the show. And keep interest to get past it 💯
For me ending was it's redemption, i forgave it after reading the end for making me bored at times.
Also where is no way it ruins anything that came before even if it was bad, people really do like exaggerating huh?
TODD was great
i've read arc 7 and i'm so salty on a particular villain that only got his desserts by losing only a limb. it seriously pisses me off
Yes
im an anime only who just got BACK into re zero after all this time because i realized how heavily i slept on this series, and i have read through all the if stories, just not arcs 5 and 6. To me it sounds like a bigger version of what TurtleMe did for TBATE's volumes 6 and 7, which was the war arc. in the middle of a battle of a plot developing series of chapters, he uses a random POV from an opposing soldier in order to portray how horrific the war is and to shed light on the grayscale spectrum of decisions that happen during a war.
im a little curious though, i know that in arc 6, he gets amnesia during the tower trials, and the gluttony IF story almost happens (best IF story to me), but does he actually never get his memories back? again i havent read through arcs 5 and 6 and im fine with spoilers. i also thought that rem coming back meant that the archbishop of gluttony was defeated, however rem still doesnt have her memories? was it because theres 3 archbishops that represent gluttony and the cast killed only one of them? also does crusch actually die?
To answer your questions, Subaru got his memories back and Crusch hasn't die yet.
Personally, it's my favorite arc in the series and at times it's arguably even better than Arc 6.
The worst thing about this arc is that there's too many things that happen within the story that can only be fully understood by reading the side stories, and this is not so bad when you do it in written form, but if they ever get to adapt this arc into the anime, it's going to be an absolute nightmare to do it in a cohesive way, without letting it devolve into a narrative mess.
ill still love arc 7
every interaction with todd was simply entertaining the first time they meet subaru stood a better chance with him rather then every time after
A DECADE
Just finished finishing src 6 and I have to start a new journey agsin!!!!! Fkin hate it
Can you make a video on Subaru mental disorder and his problems of trusting others and self worth
I mean honestly i think its good because its so disputed
I've followed this series since 2016 (web novel wise, I've always been up with the wn) and arc 7 was the first time I really stopped reading and thought "well... This is not good at all"
Of course, it's just my own personal opinion, and I really hope that when this gets finally animated, it won't become a Tate no yuusha S2 fiasco
You are insane if any of Re:Zero arc is half bad as Shield Hero.