@@AdamTheEnginerd That one is pretty good as well, as is "Let's roll rate into it". But I like that this doesn't follow the format of "Let's [topic] right into it".
the thumbnail is so good i literally watched the video twice because of it. also very informal yet compact video explaining all the topics which is very hard to find
My biggest problem with MEC is i still think there should be an accurate and updated list or chart of every single prop in this game, because every place i look has slightly differing info on the MEC parameters, so every time i wanna try out a new prop and play it to it's best peformance, i gotta scour the internet and test every single parameter that is recommended to me to see what is actually the correct combo to give me the best peformance over the course of the matches.
Adam, If I'm not mistaken, auto engine controls will switch SC gears at the correct alt. So going into cockpit view and switching quickly to auto and back while keeping an eye on the relevant dial (i.e. Manifold pressure) when approaching the switch alt, will allow you to see exactly when to switch gears, as the auto mode will do it and you'll see the hand in the dial jump to a higher pressure.
min 7:30 i found a solution for F8F-1B with that trick thank you so much. I played with WEP most part of match i managed to set the propeller pitch at 80% mixture at 90% and both radiators at 50% some time i had to open it but in a short period of time and after fights.
always looking for this kind of information, you and only a very small amount of youtubers are just phenomenal at what you do! thank you for all you do
Then there are 109s and Spitfires engines that without MEC get into red immediately, but with MEC can WEP forever and feel like UFOs lol... Great video as always Adam!
Spitfire IIs just delay grenading their engine with MEC WEP lol, but it's definitely way more preferable than fully burning the engine out in the middle of the fight. The Merlin Spits are quite okay with MEC, still not completely perfect if you WEP too much, but it can WEP pretty comfortably. 109s basically have infinite WEP, hooray for them (as do 190s). Griffon Spits... don't *quite* have infinite WEP, but basically enough to last most of the primary and some of the secondary engagements.
@@tylerfoley6644 I see it as ineffective in most situations thats why I was never a fan of doing it.. It may work out against less experienced players, having a bit of luck if they panic and make a mistake.. but an experienced player in more maneuverable plane and (now also) with more energy will easily disengage and turn back on your 6 in no time again, leaving no chance of a runaway now.. Im not saying its a completely useless tactic, but if there is any chance I could have better acceleration and gain energy advantage over more maneuverable chaser, Ill always prefer doing that rather than having a one-time kill opportunity in which I have to succeed or Ill end up dead. Definitely I dont believe OP to be very successful if he truly uses prop braking with 109 in dogfights as often as he says.. All in all, 109 is energy fighter, besides very specific 1v1 situations, it doesnt make sense to use this in 109 at all...
Very nice and informative video. I've played air RB for years but I only used MEC for radiator control. I'm looking forward to test 'the airbrake' tonight.
Imma comment this before I play the vid. I feel like I have a performance advantage when I fly MEC. I never tested if there is one. I just went with whatever made me feel confident
Does this change the threshold at which yellow temperature turns orange / amber? Because at 5:45 I saw your temperature go from flashing red almost instantly to yellow.
Weird tip: 68% prop pitch on 109s at under 170kph generates lots of power for some reason. Do you think you could dig into that and find why that happens??
Already did, might be the origin of that fact spreading haha: ruclips.net/video/ynJ33k6OMaQ/видео.html Essentially too much power and too little prop area makes the blades stall at low speed. Going to higher RPM (prop pitch) alleviates the thrust loss, hence increase in thrust at 65-70% prop pitch.
i remember that using wep in aec in the past caused closing the radiators to maximize the performance, even when overheating. and lowering throttle to 100% were opening them, but dunno how it works today
Hey hey Adam! Thanks for another great video. Perhaps you could shed some light on a topic I can't really understand: Why do we want a fine pitch for climbing and coarse pitch for level flight (to get max speed)? My understanding is that piston engine has certain RPM where it generates the most power so we want to keep engine on that RPM no matter climbing or level flying. So first we set our pitch to achieve desired RPM on certain altitude. As we climb the air becomes thinner and it's easier for prop to cut through the air so RPM increases. We decrease pitch (make prop more coarse) thus decreasing RPM back to its optimal. Now let's assume we are in level flight at around sea level where air is the most dense. In your other vids I've seen you decreased prop pitch to increase speed. But according to the above statements I've made, the air is the most dense down there so our optimal RPM is achieved with a quite fine pitch ~100%. However something like an early Spit seems to be having best speed in level flight at sea level at around 65-70% of pitch or so. Piston engine doesn't know if we are pointing our nose up or it's leveled, it just has its best RPM. The air doesn't know if we are climbing or not, it just has its density at given altitude. So where this "level flight speed increase with coarse prop" comes from? Thanks
My pleasure! Well it's mostly a myth that has been repeated a lot. Piston engines indeed are most efficient in a certain RPM range, that's why constant-speed props were used in WW2 to keep RPM constant by varying the pitch angle of the blades instead. On some aircraft in WT like P47s, you get higher prop efficiency by lowering prop pitch (RPM) to 85% or so, and that compensates for the drop in power. I don't think that's the case for the vast majority of aircraft, but lower pitch does reduce overheating and hence lowers rads, making them faster.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Wow thanks for quick answer. Okay, I'll do my experiments but it really feels that level flight gets faster with a little bit lower prop pitch (At least certain aircrafts). Also, where did you get those JSONs from? :) Are they packed in client resource files somewhere?
@@AdamTheEnginerd I see, thanks. I used that tool before but there were so many files in there that I just got lost. Will take a more closer look. Many thanks and fly safe :)
@@AdamTheEnginerd hell Yea, i cant wait, im personaly not super good in air, but i do super good with the ta154, im Sure someone like you can destory the enemy team
You can write a python script to automate most of these MEC procedures. It seems like the goal is just to maximize thrust at any point without exceeding temperature or RPM limits. Easy to code.
About learing about mec- i was a very impatient player when i started learining mec (as i moustly use it to maxmimalize cooling between engagment, climbing, breaking off, and beter controll during landing- I would turn it off during fights) but after i started playing with it this one extra routine made me pay attention more to my exact positioning as I gained moust about how plane phisics should work from greg's channel (guy explains how tech back ten worked and how they where designed - moustly p-47's but also mustangs, bf109s, zeros, fw190s and occasionally about some british planes - i cannot recomend the guy enough. )
@@AdamTheEnginerd according to the forum page and automated engine control, I-185 M71's WEP mode listed at 2300 RPM, but at 100% pitch I got around 2500 RPM insead. I dont know if its a bug or a feature
I’ve just spent the best part of a day to establish the J21 works best ( for me- flying this plane, I’d rather suck up the few percent absolute performance hit to have an extra 60-100 HP everywhere else, but that suits how I fly in the plane) with 75% prop pitch, and 40% radiators. I should have just waited until this came out :D
I found it useful even just for the explanation of gradual damage done by overheating. I always WEPed to red numbers and thought that no damage is done unless engine starts to get yellow. By the time the damage was done I am already in the battle, so too busy to notice numbers get red at different point. Also not great to damage your engine even during initial climb, before somebody even shoots at you.
Hey adam, awesome video and thanks to all the videos you made/make i'm finally able to be useful to my team in air rb. I just wanted to know what you use to show those Angle of attack, thrust and other parameters on the top left of the screen (not the in-game one, the ones below them). Is that some kind of mod or something?
My pleasure, glad they are useful! I use an overlay (also in the description): Overlay: forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/483838-warthunder-real-time-information/
@@AdamTheEnginerd Thank you so much for replying man. I was just wondering, is it safe to use? I mean can it be recognized as a third party addon and make you eligible for a ban or something?
Regarding the overheating threshold lowering: Is this a function of temps being too high too long, or simply because of altitude? There was a 2km difference when you showed the two examples. Higher altitude = lower boiling point?
The cooling system is pressurized and has no outside port, so the outside temperature is not relevant in this case. You could stay at sea level and the same thing would happen.
I would use MEC but I feel like I dont know enough about aircraft in terms of engines and everything that has to do with it, I play just fine without although I encounter situations where some extra power would be useful. But like I said I dont think it for me
Apart from the initial climb, where I’d argue MEC makes a bit more of a difference (particularly towards the end of the climb once the non MEC-ed engine goes yellow and I need to drop throttle without MEC) if a percent or two difference in speed means life or death then I’ve made a mistake. I wouldn’t sweat it. I use MEC because I’m lazy and would rather not worry too much about overheating but most people I know, including some amazingly successful flyers, don’t bother with MEC. I use it as standard but there are plenty of planes such as the F6F, corsairs and thunderbolts where I don’t bother. Partly because MEC is more complex with those planes (some actually use mixture, for example) but largely because they have limited WEP anyway, and I’d rather WEP didn’t run out at an important time so I tend to use a lot more non-WEP sections to my climbs anyway. In testing the Corsairs and F6Fs have something like 8 minutes WEP only, so I might use 1/2 of that for the initial climb and then save the rest for emergencies. This tends to equate pretty well on most maps to when the engine needs to be cooled anyway, so I just leave everything on auto. Unfortunately every plane is a bit different. This would be OK if it were documented by Gaijin and there was some consistency in naming but this isn’t the case. Pitch means RPM on most, but not all planes. This really should be easy information to find but.... Gaijin.
I also feel and think its most important at the start of the match in the climbing phase depending if it works for an airplane or not getting that extra boost in climb gives you quite an advantage in altitude.
@@julianmorrisco I agree. I guess most German Planes especially the ones with MW50 have "unlimited" WEP coz it lasts for the whole mission time which is mostly 1-2 hours. :) Curious about other nations with own designs like Britain, Japan Italy & SovietUnion :)
Do you have an updated MEC guide? The one on the forums has planes missing from it that are in the tree now, I also think many of them are out of date or have changed. Sometimes it seems to do very little.
When i used to play warthunder i find that the BF109 is easy to manage with MEC but the P47 and P51 will out perform the bf109 in MEC since the OIL and RADIATORS the p47 and p51 have the same control
I could never get the overlay to work over the game screen, it always opens up only on the browser and never shows on the game window like in this video
@@apaxx3950 turn the overlay on, go into the overlays settings and make sure the osd type is set to 'WTRTI'. then, once its open, open the game settings. go to options -> graphics and set 'Mode' to 'Fullscreen window'. hope that helps
@@ОлегНеважно-ф1т No, but i know that is info data of web session gaijin of the match, he probably use a app to get the info of that app and put on the game in overlay.
Hey Adam, can you explain why my plane's rudder keeps twitching left to right all the time? I tried high alt, low alt, definately not turbulence. I looked up on the forums, no it's not my fps or net lag. It just started recently after today's patch, never happened before. I have mouse aim, have disabled all the instructor function that can be turned off and I'm flying IL-2 but it's happening with all my planes. Sorry for wall of text, my bad. Nice video btw, i don't do full sim and people may call us tryhards but the little tweaks really help in a 1 vs 1 engagement. Cheers !!!
ruclips.net/video/vDcaG_QTgYQ/видео.html is this it? messes up my aim. Edit: sorry bad quality, used my phone but atleast u can see the aim shaking and my ping and loss to notice this wasnt due to internet quality.
Play Simulator battle, in simulator you will take control all of the plane instrument (the basic such as elevator,trim,pitch,rudder,etc)... I was same like you (arcade and realistic) but when i started playing sim (until now) i finally got 100% control of my aircraft, sim battle is hard but you can practice to master it... If you still not sure even after u tried the sim battle, go to the replay tab (a tab, u can see ur battle replay on there) then see your last replay (the sim battle replay) ~cheers
Thanks for the useful video Adam. I play on PS4 and I want to start using MEC now. I do have a keyboard plugged in that I use for a few basic commands but I want to bind controls for MEC. What are some keys I could use for these adjustments? Something not too complex. Most of my buttons on the keyboard are not binded to anything so there's alot of options. Thanks Adam I hope to hear your reply soon so I can improve my flight performances.
Not quite sure I follow, but on Allied planes they give a target RPM and the governor changes the pitch to achieve that RPM, in contrast to German props which take direct control of the pitch angle when you change prop pitch.
Hi Adam, what happen to the propeller pitch when you decrease throttle in automatic mode? I believe it decrease with the throttle in order to avoid the air brake.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Got it, installed it and everything but honestly i got no god damn idea of how it works with the RTSS so i tried, but couldnt make it work.. *Cannot establish connection with the update server*
It's debatable what "best" is. Closing rads will be good for running away or to catch someone, while open will be better for climb to not overheat. A script wouldn't be able to judge that.
@@AdamTheEnginerd If such a script could get data from localhost, maybe it could use IAS to judge which settings to apply, open radiators and higher revs below lets say 350 kph, and lower rads and revs when above that speed Maybe something like pyautogui could help ??
could you explain what is the difference car's rpm and aircraft rpm and why my car doesn't overheat when i drive full power and approximately 4000 rpm in highway?
Good question! First off, smaller engines tend to run at higher RPMs, and an aircraft engine is much bigger than your car's engine (hopefully), so you can't simply compare RPMs. Then there's the question of cooling flow. In cars, speed and power are more closely related than for aircraft. For example, the most difficult thermal case for an aircraft is climbing at full power due to the relatively lower speed and high power requirements. At full speed on the highway, you'd have a lot of airflow for cooling. If you tried to mimic an aircraft climb in a car, for example climbing at a very steep gradient at full power, I suspect your car could not sustain that for long.
MEC makes the Hs129 ALMOST fieldable; you feel like you actually get to do something that effects the gameplay before you get shotdown by stray .50cal bullet that grazed the tail section
I never knew that going into the orange would de decrease maximum temperature, that explain why in the itp m1 there were games where I almost stop being able to turn on mec or worse. One question tho, does it reset when you land/repair?
It definitely resets when you repair. I think being low on throttle and hence temperature also adds temperature resistance with time, but I could be wrong.
So I’m on Xbox, and I don’t have enough buttons to play air rb or sim. I was wondering if you would recommend a Thrust,aster t16000m joystick throttle and pedals. Thanks!
AdamTheEnginerd what I meant by extra buttons is that the control only has a certain amount of combinations, and I only have 80% of the necessary things binded... I don’t really want to spend a ton on a pc, what are your thoughts on the thrust master?
Mixture isn't really modeled on most aircraft, you're either at the correct mixture with maximum power, or you lose power if you're outside the correct mixture range.
@@AdamTheEnginerd yea but the problem is i dont know what's the correct mixture range. I read something on the war thunder wiki that you would use lower percentage at higher alt and higher percentage at higher alt but idk
@@Unused91287 Lower mixture at higher alt*. Like I said in the video, for most planes you can just leave it at 60% until 6km with no loss in performance, and reduce after that.
Could u pls help me I fly a fw190 A5 and i get fucked every game I try to make them overshoot but the just kill me first or just don’t overshoot. I also get outclimbed everytime. They always risk the stalks to get guns on me and it works. Do u have any Tipps.
AdamTheEnginerd what altitude would u recommend to stay at? And what should I do after a merge. And thx for the Tipps I’m gonna try them out tomorrow love ur vids, they help me very much.
does manually changing the supercharger gear have any performance benefit? i thought the game automatically changed the gear efficiently, even with MEC enabled.
no but with mec enabled you must do that manually, it does not have an automatic control feature like for example mixture, pitch and supercharger for most german planes, i have the enter key of numeric pad binded for changing supercharger gears
@@F3R_Mauro figured that out just now, never noticed because the planes that I use mec on don't need to worry about changing the supercharger gear for one reason or another.
MEC tutorial part 1 by DEFYN: ruclips.net/video/RRzMcnCS4ag/видео.html
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exactly the same problem ! U see the wiggling crosshair? ughh...
Could you play the 262 in the next video
Thank you for making this one. I will enjoy feasting on 109's with dead engines.
lol, lots of flying pistons when people try to go full prop pitch with a 109.
DEFYN is more responsible for that part.
I was busting 109 engines before that was mainstream
@@SonoftheBread Nazi rocket scientists out here sending rods into orbit...
I can finally get some time with the 109😅😅 I thought my German line was bugged in sim
“Let’s MEC it happen!”
I agree!
"Let's MEC it happen" is quite possibly your best technical video introduction pun yet.
Hahaha really?
I prefer "Let's MCAS right into it".
@@AdamTheEnginerd That one is pretty good as well, as is "Let's roll rate into it". But I like that this doesn't follow the format of "Let's [topic] right into it".
the thumbnail is so good i literally watched the video twice because of it. also very informal yet compact video explaining all the topics which is very hard to find
Haha!
My biggest problem with MEC is i still think there should be an accurate and updated list or chart of every single prop in this game, because every place i look has slightly differing info on the MEC parameters, so every time i wanna try out a new prop and play it to it's best peformance, i gotta scour the internet and test every single parameter that is recommended to me to see what is actually the correct combo to give me the best peformance over the course of the matches.
I really enjoy mec it’s useful if you have a problem with overheating
For sure.
Great shit. Gaijin really should make this information readily available themselves. Instead it’s left to legends like you to inform the masses.
Thanks! And indeed.
Adam, If I'm not mistaken, auto engine controls will switch SC gears at the correct alt. So going into cockpit view and switching quickly to auto and back while keeping an eye on the relevant dial (i.e. Manifold pressure) when approaching the switch alt, will allow you to see exactly when to switch gears, as the auto mode will do it and you'll see the hand in the dial jump to a higher pressure.
But the overlay is essential, especially for planes with limited wep
Yup, but it's complicated to tell people what to look for in the cockpit.
min 7:30 i found a solution for F8F-1B with that trick thank you so much. I played with WEP most part of match i managed to set the propeller pitch at 80% mixture at 90% and both radiators at 50% some time i had to open it but in a short period of time and after fights.
Seems like for most of the American Radials you can run that rough 90% mix and 85% pitch. It definitely makes the f8f more enjoyable
My pleasure!
Respect for you man for the amount of knowledge you have about this game
Thanks!
always looking for this kind of information, you and only a very small amount of youtubers are just phenomenal at what you do! thank you for all you do
My pleasure man! Great to be appreciated for what I like doing!
Then there are 109s and Spitfires engines that without MEC get into red immediately, but with MEC can WEP forever and feel like UFOs lol...
Great video as always Adam!
Thanks!
Spitfire IIs just delay grenading their engine with MEC WEP lol, but it's definitely way more preferable than fully burning the engine out in the middle of the fight. The Merlin Spits are quite okay with MEC, still not completely perfect if you WEP too much, but it can WEP pretty comfortably.
109s basically have infinite WEP, hooray for them (as do 190s).
Griffon Spits... don't *quite* have infinite WEP, but basically enough to last most of the primary and some of the secondary engagements.
TheAmazingCowpig yep. Btw i was talking about tier 4 planes. Tier 3 109s can’t full wep even with 100% radiators
@@TheAmazingCowpig 109 F-4 gets hot pretty fast, even with 100% radiators.
In 8 years I didnt realy do anything with prop pitch but now Im starting to get the hang of it!
Good!
Nice! I was just trying to learn it when i found the settings
Thanks!
Been using mec for a while 109 air brake is pretty funny to watch people freak out in dogfights
I don't use it too often but yeah it's nice.
I too freak out on dumb 109s dropping all their advantage to turn with me lol
@@rekreator9481if a more maneuverable aircraft is behind you at the same speed then prop braking is the best way to survive by forcing an overshoot
@@tylerfoley6644 I see it as ineffective in most situations thats why I was never a fan of doing it.. It may work out against less experienced players, having a bit of luck if they panic and make a mistake.. but an experienced player in more maneuverable plane and (now also) with more energy will easily disengage and turn back on your 6 in no time again, leaving no chance of a runaway now.. Im not saying its a completely useless tactic, but if there is any chance I could have better acceleration and gain energy advantage over more maneuverable chaser, Ill always prefer doing that rather than having a one-time kill opportunity in which I have to succeed or Ill end up dead.
Definitely I dont believe OP to be very successful if he truly uses prop braking with 109 in dogfights as often as he says.. All in all, 109 is energy fighter, besides very specific 1v1 situations, it doesnt make sense to use this in 109 at all...
Yes adam finally uploads :)))
Every 2 Fridays ;).
Very nice and informative video. I've played air RB for years but I only used MEC for radiator control. I'm looking forward to test 'the airbrake' tonight.
Thanks! Airbrake is nice indeed!
Imma comment this before I play the vid. I feel like I have a performance advantage when I fly MEC. I never tested if there is one. I just went with whatever made me feel confident
Indeed there is.
I didn't know that when temperature goes orange, overheating theshold decreases. I thought it just happens naturally no matter what you do. Thanks!
Yup, my pleasure!
This is something they could do a better job communicating in-game. To most people, amber means "okay" not your engine is slowly dying.
Does this change the threshold at which yellow temperature turns orange / amber? Because at 5:45 I saw your temperature go from flashing red almost instantly to yellow.
Nice job. Gaijin really should make this information readily available themselves. Instead it’s left to legends like you to inform the masses
Thanks! And indeed.
At 4:42, where do you find the stats for how much drag an airplane produces from its radiators? I can't seem to find this anywhere.
Weird tip: 68% prop pitch on 109s at under 170kph generates lots of power for some reason. Do you think you could dig into that and find why that happens??
Already did, might be the origin of that fact spreading haha: ruclips.net/video/ynJ33k6OMaQ/видео.html
Essentially too much power and too little prop area makes the blades stall at low speed. Going to higher RPM (prop pitch) alleviates the thrust loss, hence increase in thrust at 65-70% prop pitch.
i remember that using wep in aec in the past caused closing the radiators to maximize the performance, even when overheating. and lowering throttle to 100% were opening them, but dunno how it works today
Now it depends on both temperature and throttle. On WEP it delays opening of the rads until you're basically in the red.
Adam thank u for accepting my request on mec ...you are fooooookkkiing lit keep up the work
My pleasure! I will!
In SB, at least in war thunder, the only way for spitfires to be playable is to decrease prop pitch to about 50-60%
That's really low. At 65% it was manageable when I tested.
Thanks for the video. I play sim battles and I was thinking of using MEC but was worried about the mixture part. Thanks and now I will try to use mec
My pleasure! Once you go MEC you never go back!
Hey hey Adam! Thanks for another great video. Perhaps you could shed some light on a topic I can't really understand: Why do we want a fine pitch for climbing and coarse pitch for level flight (to get max speed)? My understanding is that piston engine has certain RPM where it generates the most power so we want to keep engine on that RPM no matter climbing or level flying. So first we set our pitch to achieve desired RPM on certain altitude. As we climb the air becomes thinner and it's easier for prop to cut through the air so RPM increases. We decrease pitch (make prop more coarse) thus decreasing RPM back to its optimal. Now let's assume we are in level flight at around sea level where air is the most dense. In your other vids I've seen you decreased prop pitch to increase speed. But according to the above statements I've made, the air is the most dense down there so our optimal RPM is achieved with a quite fine pitch ~100%. However something like an early Spit seems to be having best speed in level flight at sea level at around 65-70% of pitch or so. Piston engine doesn't know if we are pointing our nose up or it's leveled, it just has its best RPM. The air doesn't know if we are climbing or not, it just has its density at given altitude. So where this "level flight speed increase with coarse prop" comes from?
Thanks
My pleasure!
Well it's mostly a myth that has been repeated a lot. Piston engines indeed are most efficient in a certain RPM range, that's why constant-speed props were used in WW2 to keep RPM constant by varying the pitch angle of the blades instead.
On some aircraft in WT like P47s, you get higher prop efficiency by lowering prop pitch (RPM) to 85% or so, and that compensates for the drop in power. I don't think that's the case for the vast majority of aircraft, but lower pitch does reduce overheating and hence lowers rads, making them faster.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Wow thanks for quick answer. Okay, I'll do my experiments but it really feels that level flight gets faster with a little bit lower prop pitch (At least certain aircrafts). Also, where did you get those JSONs from? :) Are they packed in client resource files somewhere?
Yeah I used these instructions to get the files: www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/8nq70p/tutorial_how_to_datamine_or_how_i_learned_to_stop/
@@AdamTheEnginerd I see, thanks. I used that tool before but there were so many files in there that I just got lost. Will take a more closer look. Many thanks and fly safe :)
Got another ace in my ta154, your turn adam, its an awsome plane!
It's on my list!
@@AdamTheEnginerd hell Yea, i cant wait, im personaly not super good in air, but i do super good with the ta154, im Sure someone like you can destory the enemy team
You can write a python script to automate most of these MEC procedures. It seems like the goal is just to maximize thrust at any point without exceeding temperature or RPM limits. Easy to code.
Hmm at that point it can be considered cheating though.
About learing about mec- i was a very impatient player when i started learining mec (as i moustly use it to maxmimalize cooling between engagment, climbing, breaking off, and beter controll during landing- I would turn it off during fights) but after i started playing with it this one extra routine made me pay attention more to my exact positioning as I gained moust about how plane phisics should work from greg's channel (guy explains how tech back ten worked and how they where designed - moustly p-47's but also mustangs, bf109s, zeros, fw190s and occasionally about some british planes - i cannot recomend the guy enough. )
Greg's channel is great indeed.
I've been waiting for this video a long time, thanks :)
No problem!
7:30
I know at least 1 plane where WEP mode isnt on 100% but on 92% prop pitch instead - I-185 M-72. So check the manual first
What do you mean?
@@AdamTheEnginerd according to the forum page and automated engine control, I-185 M71's WEP mode listed at 2300 RPM, but at 100% pitch I got around 2500 RPM insead. I dont know if its a bug or a feature
Hmm.
I’ve just spent the best part of a day to establish the J21 works best ( for me- flying this plane, I’d rather suck up the few percent absolute performance hit to have an extra 60-100 HP everywhere else, but that suits how I fly in the plane) with 75% prop pitch, and 40% radiators. I should have just waited until this came out :D
Hahaha! At least now you're certain of the result ;).
I found it useful even just for the explanation of gradual damage done by overheating.
I always WEPed to red numbers and thought that no damage is done unless engine starts to get yellow.
By the time the damage was done I am already in the battle, so too busy to notice numbers get red at different point. Also not great to damage your engine even during initial climb, before somebody even shoots at you.
Good work! There's some deep knowledge in this vid.
Glad you think so!
Hey adam, awesome video and thanks to all the videos you made/make i'm finally able to be useful to my team in air rb. I just wanted to know what you use to show those Angle of attack, thrust and other parameters on the top left of the screen (not the in-game one, the ones below them). Is that some kind of mod or something?
My pleasure, glad they are useful! I use an overlay (also in the description):
Overlay: forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/483838-warthunder-real-time-information/
@@AdamTheEnginerd Thank you so much for replying man. I was just wondering, is it safe to use? I mean can it be recognized as a third party addon and make you eligible for a ban or something?
what is the program or script used to have the extra info like power thrust etc?
much appreciated but a lot to memorize & remember
Only thing to really remember is supercharger gear, rest is a function of temperature for radiators.
Regarding the overheating threshold lowering:
Is this a function of temps being too high too long, or simply because of altitude? There was a 2km difference when you showed the two examples. Higher altitude = lower boiling point?
The cooling system is pressurized and has no outside port, so the outside temperature is not relevant in this case. You could stay at sea level and the same thing would happen.
@@AdamTheEnginerd I’m an idiot. Didn’t even consider that. Thanks for the response and the amazing content. Do you have a Patreon?
@@I_am_not_a_dog My pleasure! I do not have a Patreon at the present time, but I appreciate the sentiment!
Nice tutorial
Thanks!
Wait, how do you set up the indication of how much power your aircraft is outputting. I don't see it in options or controls
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i got no notification:( me so sad now but happy af to see a video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F for notifications.
That's what we need!!!!
We deliver ;).
Nice thumbnail as always!
Thanks!
I would use MEC but I feel like I dont know enough about aircraft in terms of engines and everything that has to do with it, I play just fine without although I encounter situations where some extra power would be useful. But like I said I dont think it for me
It's relatively straightforward, but indeed it's not necessary.
Apart from the initial climb, where I’d argue MEC makes a bit more of a difference (particularly towards the end of the climb once the non MEC-ed engine goes yellow and I need to drop throttle without MEC) if a percent or two difference in speed means life or death then I’ve made a mistake. I wouldn’t sweat it. I use MEC because I’m lazy and would rather not worry too much about overheating but most people I know, including some amazingly successful flyers, don’t bother with MEC. I use it as standard but there are plenty of planes such as the F6F, corsairs and thunderbolts where I don’t bother. Partly because MEC is more complex with those planes (some actually use mixture, for example) but largely because they have limited WEP anyway, and I’d rather WEP didn’t run out at an important time so I tend to use a lot more non-WEP sections to my climbs anyway. In testing the Corsairs and F6Fs have something like 8 minutes WEP only, so I might use 1/2 of that for the initial climb and then save the rest for emergencies. This tends to equate pretty well on most maps to when the engine needs to be cooled anyway, so I just leave everything on auto. Unfortunately every plane is a bit different. This would be OK if it were documented by Gaijin and there was some consistency in naming but this isn’t the case. Pitch means RPM on most, but not all planes. This really should be easy information to find but.... Gaijin.
I also feel and think its most important at the start of the match in the climbing phase depending if it works for an airplane or not getting that extra boost in climb gives you quite an advantage in altitude.
@@julianmorrisco I agree. I guess most German Planes especially the ones with MW50 have "unlimited" WEP coz it lasts for the whole mission time which is mostly 1-2 hours. :) Curious about other nations with own designs like Britain, Japan Italy & SovietUnion :)
How'd you get that stats thing like thrust and power? Is that a thing after rank 2 you see?
Wtrti
Do you know how localhost extracts the overlay data from WT?
I do not know the details.
Do you have an updated MEC guide? The one on the forums has planes missing from it that are in the tree now, I also think many of them are out of date or have changed. Sometimes it seems to do very little.
When i used to play warthunder i find that the BF109 is easy to manage with MEC but the P47 and P51 will out perform the bf109 in MEC since the OIL and RADIATORS the p47 and p51 have the same control
Not sure what you mean.
Excellent video, thank you
Glad you liked it!
I could never get the overlay to work over the game screen, it always opens up only on the browser and never shows on the game window like in this video
Yeah I am seconding this, if there is a way to make the overlay stay on top of the game, I would love to know
You need to play in window or fullscreen window for it to appear. When I stream I can show how if you ask, but that's pretty much it.
@@apaxx3950 turn the overlay on, go into the overlays settings and make sure the osd type is set to 'WTRTI'. then, once its open, open the game settings. go to options -> graphics and set 'Mode' to 'Fullscreen window'. hope that helps
@@lemon6171 you're an angel, thank you :)
Hey, thanks for this video!! Curious, has mixture been modeled in more aircrafts since this has been released? Thanks again!!
What should a 109 do to kill a p51 in general? Are there specific types that have to be taken down differently?
Depends on the variant, but the 109 should be higher due to its climb. Some 109s can fight evenly with same BR P51s, others can't.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Which cannot.
@@StarWarsMasters Generally speaking the P-51H is the biggest predator of late war 109's.
@@jaek__ thanks.... I quit.
@@StarWarsMasters probably for the best lmao
how put the indicators on the left of the screen? with all parameters of fly?
Have you solved this issue? because I'm interested in him myself.
@@ОлегНеважно-ф1т No, but i know that is info data of web session gaijin of the match, he probably use a app to get the info of that app and put on the game in overlay.
Adam, I just found out you have never done a video on the yak3p :( try it? Such a popular plane
I do though, didn't find it?
@@AdamTheEnginerd only the yak3u and yak3vk
Here it is: ruclips.net/video/HCtfUVz0Ibs/видео.html
@@AdamTheEnginerd oh wow :D you keep surprising me with the creator to subscriber interaction. Thanks man!
@@Jayjay-ef2gt My pleasure!
How do I optimize this for my MiG-17, doesn’t climb well enough
Play props.
Fun fact- all American jet engines with Afterburners have manual oil radiator control
@@igoryst3049 wait WHAT. can it prevent the f100's oil from deep frying my engine on sicily?
Hey Adam, can you explain why my plane's rudder keeps twitching left to right all the time? I tried high alt, low alt, definately not turbulence. I looked up on the forums, no it's not my fps or net lag. It just started recently after today's patch, never happened before. I have mouse aim, have disabled all the instructor function that can be turned off and I'm flying IL-2 but it's happening with all my planes. Sorry for wall of text, my bad.
Nice video btw, i don't do full sim and people may call us tryhards but the little tweaks really help in a 1 vs 1 engagement. Cheers !!!
Haven't played yet, can't say. Are other people having this issue?
Thanks!
I noticed the wobble too.
ruclips.net/video/vDcaG_QTgYQ/видео.html
is this it? messes up my aim.
Edit: sorry bad quality, used my phone but atleast u can see the aim shaking and my ping and loss to notice this wasnt due to internet quality.
@@user-xo3gj2sk1k omg this is it. See the rudder wagging like dogs tail? Any fix you found to this? Anybody?
Play Simulator battle, in simulator you will take control all of the plane instrument (the basic such as elevator,trim,pitch,rudder,etc)...
I was same like you (arcade and realistic) but when i started playing sim (until now) i finally got 100% control of my aircraft, sim battle is hard but you can practice to master it...
If you still not sure even after u tried the sim battle, go to the replay tab (a tab, u can see ur battle replay on there) then see your last replay (the sim battle replay)
~cheers
Can you make a video where you compare the Fw 190 D-9 to the Tempest Mk V (OR P-51D-30)?
Hmm why?
@@AdamTheEnginerd They both have their own strengths and weaknesses and I think it'd be a pretty close fight
Thanks for the useful video Adam. I play on PS4 and I want to start using MEC now. I do have a keyboard plugged in that I use for a few basic commands but I want to bind controls for MEC. What are some keys I could use for these adjustments? Something not too complex. Most of my buttons on the keyboard are not binded to anything so there's alot of options. Thanks Adam I hope to hear your reply soon so I can improve my flight performances.
My pleasure!
Just watch part 1 of this video that DEFYN made: ruclips.net/video/RRzMcnCS4ag/видео.html
hey How do i bring all those things show on left side under "Instructor" ?
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you have to join us at IL-2 Sturmovik
Perhaps.
Can u make a tutorial how to install the overlay?
It's pretty easy to set up, can ask questions on my Discord though.
so wait
on allied planes that has no prop pitch limiter should match the engine RPM ?
Not quite sure I follow, but on Allied planes they give a target RPM and the governor changes the pitch to achieve that RPM, in contrast to German props which take direct control of the pitch angle when you change prop pitch.
hey adam should my prop pitch be the same as my THR cuz I don't really understand how it works I'm using the G56 btw
Yeah that rule of thumb works well in nearly every case.
@@AdamTheEnginerd thx
How do u get those indicators. I want one so i could study aircrafts in sim
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still relevant in 2024. thnx :D
Nice Video
Thanks!
how do i get the information u have in the bottom right. ie. the rpm thrust etc ?
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@@AdamTheEnginerd thanks mate
Great info 👍
Thanks!
Hows the p51d30 now. how does it stack up against F4U4. And whats the optimal mec settings for the F4u4b
Rudder still trash on the D30. I'd go with F4U4. Optimal MEC for F4U4B is 100% prop pitch and enough rads to not overheat.
@@AdamTheEnginerd if u ignore the stupid rudder of the d30 how is it. Would it be the fastest plane at 5.0
Yeah, but it can face faster aircraft.
Actually F82 without gunpods is faster.
What is the name of this mod that shows detailed information about the aircraft and its engine?
WTRTI (description overlay).
@@AdamTheEnginerd Thanks!
Thanks!
You bet!
Can you do a video on a swedish plane please? J21A-1 is great, but also J20 and J22-B
On my list!
@@AdamTheEnginerd thanks
Hi Adam, what happen to the propeller pitch when you decrease throttle in automatic mode? I believe it decrease with the throttle in order to avoid the air brake.
Yup decreases both.
How do you have that extra info of the climb rate, thrust, power, wep etc.. i would like to have it
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@@AdamTheEnginerd Thanks you very much!
@@LostCauseRT My pleasure!
@@AdamTheEnginerd Got it, installed it and everything but honestly i got no god damn idea of how it works with the RTSS so i tried, but couldnt make it work..
*Cannot establish connection with the update server*
@@LostCauseRT Not sure about your last point, but you need to enable WTRTI instead of RTSS, and play in fullscreen window (or windowed).
I wish there was a climb script which automatically gets the best engine performance
It's debatable what "best" is. Closing rads will be good for running away or to catch someone, while open will be better for climb to not overheat. A script wouldn't be able to judge that.
@@AdamTheEnginerd If such a script could get data from localhost, maybe it could use IAS to judge which settings to apply, open radiators and higher revs below lets say 350 kph, and lower rads and revs when above that speed
Maybe something like pyautogui could help ??
Where do you find radiator drag numbers?
Flight model files!
How do you that addition to the hud on the left side?
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could you explain what is the difference car's rpm and aircraft rpm and why my car doesn't overheat when i drive full power and approximately 4000 rpm in highway?
Good question! First off, smaller engines tend to run at higher RPMs, and an aircraft engine is much bigger than your car's engine (hopefully), so you can't simply compare RPMs. Then there's the question of cooling flow. In cars, speed and power are more closely related than for aircraft. For example, the most difficult thermal case for an aircraft is climbing at full power due to the relatively lower speed and high power requirements. At full speed on the highway, you'd have a lot of airflow for cooling. If you tried to mimic an aircraft climb in a car, for example climbing at a very steep gradient at full power, I suspect your car could not sustain that for long.
@@AdamTheEnginerd thank you
Can someone link the hud that adam uses? I cannot seem 2 find it
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Also in the description.
MEC makes the Hs129 ALMOST fieldable; you feel like you actually get to do something that effects the gameplay before you get shotdown by stray .50cal bullet that grazed the tail section
I never knew that going into the orange would de decrease maximum temperature, that explain why in the itp m1 there were games where I almost stop being able to turn on mec or worse.
One question tho, does it reset when you land/repair?
It definitely resets when you repair. I think being low on throttle and hence temperature also adds temperature resistance with time, but I could be wrong.
@@AdamTheEnginerd I see I see, anyway thank you very much for the knowledge here and in all your videos
So I’m on Xbox, and I don’t have enough buttons to play air rb or sim. I was wondering if you would recommend a Thrust,aster t16000m joystick throttle and pedals. Thanks!
Don't need extra buttons for RB, you don't have to use MEC in RB. I'd recommend a PC.
AdamTheEnginerd what I meant by extra buttons is that the control only has a certain amount of combinations, and I only have 80% of the necessary things binded... I don’t really want to spend a ton on a pc, what are your thoughts on the thrust master?
I don't have a thrust master. It's useful for sims I imagine.
You can use button combinations (at least on PC you can)
If u dont use MEC in planes such as 109s, F8Fs, Griffon SPits, LA9s u can forget to abuse WEP and get all the power. Specialy in the F8F
Some of it yes.
how to turn on that engine indicators in the middle left side on the screen, if it's possible then that would help with engine optimisation
Does auto prop pitch mode always result in the best performance? I can't access localhost at the moment to check on my own.
Nope, P47s are one exception for example where 85% prop pitch is better.
Hi dude what MEC should I be using to improve the use of f8f 1b?
A bit under 100% prop pitch, and like 50% rads.
@@AdamTheEnginerd gotcha, does the drop by 10% for every 1000m still apply? or just keep it at say 95%
@@George-cp1vc Nono, don't change pitch with alt.
Do you think you can do this but for jets?
No MEC for jets.
me complete noob using mec because it sometimes makes it so i can get to a base damaged - worth it
How do I know if im using mixture correctly ? Is there any benefit from it ?
Mixture isn't really modeled on most aircraft, you're either at the correct mixture with maximum power, or you lose power if you're outside the correct mixture range.
@@AdamTheEnginerd yea but the problem is i dont know what's the correct mixture range. I read something on the war thunder wiki that you would use lower percentage at higher alt and higher percentage at higher alt but idk
@@Unused91287 Lower mixture at higher alt*. Like I said in the video, for most planes you can just leave it at 60% until 6km with no loss in performance, and reduce after that.
@@AdamTheEnginerd oh ok thanks
How does one get the overlay? I googled it but only hacks showed up :0
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(Also in description).
Many thanks!
i have a question, is it worth to use radiator control on yaks or ill just burn the engine faster?
Of course it's worth it, you decide how much you burn your engine.
Does anyone know if there is still an overlay available for all the mec parameters?
Could u pls help me I fly a fw190 A5 and i get fucked every game I try to make them overshoot but the just kill me first or just don’t overshoot. I also get outclimbed everytime. They always risk the stalks to get guns on me and it works. Do u have any Tipps.
Be more patient, stick close to your team. Wait for the Bf109s to push the enemies down first.
AdamTheEnginerd what altitude would u recommend to stay at? And what should I do after a merge. And thx for the Tipps I’m gonna try them out tomorrow love ur vids, they help me very much.
@@whereisthelambsauce3908 Try to be higher than your enemies, that's all you need.
does manually changing the supercharger gear have any performance benefit? i thought the game automatically changed the gear efficiently, even with MEC enabled.
no but with mec enabled you must do that manually, it does not have an automatic control feature like for example mixture, pitch and supercharger for most german planes, i have the enter key of numeric pad binded for changing supercharger gears
The game doesn't do it perfectly but it's good enough. As Mauro says, if you use MEC you need to change gears manually as well, that's why.
@@F3R_Mauro figured that out just now, never noticed because the planes that I use mec on don't need to worry about changing the supercharger gear for one reason or another.
How does lowering prop pitch decrease the J21's operating temperature?
less rpm, less engine stress, less heat build up
Eduardo Fialho Won't you get higher RPM though? As I've understood it, 1:56 says that HIGHER prop-pitch means LOWER RPM and vice versa.
@@axelandersson6314 the opposite
Eduardo Fialho So what does he mean in the video at 1:56?
@@axelandersson6314 that the percentage is the target rpm
how do i get the engine stat overlay?
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Also in the description.
3:56 p47 Tokyo drifting
Duhn duhn duhn.
How you got additional info (in the left)?