I ran an Auto Repair service center for years; if YOU were outside in the weather, I would have told the boys in the shop "OPEN THE DOORS, PUSH THAT KIA INSIDE, Hook up a battery charger. Get this man a cup of coffee, AND SIT AND WATCH ---AND LEARN!" Thank You Ivan for the video!
Fixed it right on the dealer's lot after they told the customer it couldn't be fixed. If that isn't a middle finger to the dealership I don't know what is. Very satisfying.
At one point an older tech walked by and saw us working on the car and said “good luck” wryly, well the car was running not 15 minutes after he said that lol
it's His logical step-by-step process that I really love... and he never panics or gets sidetracked. Super impressive.! this is also such a good training video for anyone - particularly those setting out.
I have been following and learning from many top notch RUclipsrs in this realm, and I'm an older dog. You are #1 in my book Ivan! Nice Work as always!!
Ivan, you are the "Magic Man.!" Once again your logical deductions come through. I do love the checks of "Powers and grounds, Powers and grounds - so important. Your ability to catch "the little things," like bent pins, and in this instance, NO wires going to the connectors to activate the pump. NO one else would have found that. Thanks,
@@febbral Ya if all the mechanics in Ireland cannot fix the car I am definitely bringing it over to Dan because there just top notch and you know when it's done it'll be like the factory would have done it.
@@neilmurphy845 Neil, I didn`t know you were from Ireland, your country has a great rock and roll band called DEA MATRONA, the girls in band are really good for such young women. Hope they come to States to perform.
Dealer: "You need a new $1,500 computer or a new car." Ivan: "Meh, gimme $100 for a used computer plus some labor and I'll find a screwed up fuel pump. " Dealer: "I hate you." Awesome diag, Ivan!
The fuel pump diag was genius! You never disappoint! Many would have just put another pump in never knowing it was plugged in wrong inside! Glad you "need to prove" what is wrong. Who would have known?
Certainly was a Staten Island fuel pump wiring issue. I miss Keith and the Staten Island videos. You and your brother make a great team! Fuel pump wiring find was impressive!! Once again awesome work.
I became suspicious when I saw the low fuel light on and the fuel gauge on empty. After the wiring connections were placed in the proper place, the light turned off and the gauge actually gave a reading. It's neat how everything falls into place sometimes.
Ivan, I certainly hope your clients realize what a fantastic talent you have. These complex issues which you run down are impressive kills in the automotive jungle.
I have watched many of your videos, for some reason this one seemed to have a pre-plan style to it where you look at the schematic and you already have your test connections ready to go, I like this style very much to cut down on video length as you get straight to the point. Perfect video and hope to see many more in the future. Thanks again for the detailed repair and great info such as KIA don't need no stinking reprogramming.
I think Ivan has lift us hanging with this one: 1- He didn't attempt to communicate with PCM after he energized Main RLY? ( At least then we will be sure if the whole PCM is junk or its only Main RLY activation problem) 2- After starting up the car he didn't reattempt to restart it with the older PCM -while externally energizing main RLY of course - But we will forgive him for this one.....cause the fuel pump footage was really special. Regardless, Thanks a lot for this valuable lesson.
You did however get the engine check light on with energising the main relay(old computer). With fuel pump right at that point it would have probably worked? Well 100 for a computer was cheap anyway.
Those were exactly my thoughts. Sometimes the Mrel transistor burns out. I was a bit scared watching him put a test light across the coil trigger as the transistors driving that sort of business are usually only 200ma rated jobbies
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I had a Toyota Corolla here not long with almost the same problem. Client installed a fuel pump, but the car would randomly die. Found spread pins at the fuel pump module internal connector.
Working in my first year as a heavy vehicle diesel mechanic atm, and I am beyond stoked that I could even follow what you were doing every step of the way. Amazing learning resource! 👍
Another brilliantly well thought through diag. and so well explained. I wish you lived nearby might be able get my intermittent stall fixed... there's no decent diagnostic people in my city...
There are NOT enough Ivan's,..Eric O's & Scanner Danner's in this world ! Excellent diagnostic work as usual Ivan & once again this customer saved money.
How many mechanics would've stopped at the fuel pump wiring connector and called the pump. Love that Ivan takes the extra step and looks at the pumps internal wiring.
Another one saved from the "environment friendly" landfill. Good job. I was at a junkyard recently for the first time in a long time. I was chocked. Last time it was mainly rusty junk cars. Now the majority was "new" cars which probably had some electronic issues. I mean, like cars absolute mint condition. No damage, clean, worth a lot of money if you asked me. And I kind of get it. Here in Sweden, the inspection reads codes on 2002 and newer. My wife had a Citroën V6 2001 that basically coded with all three cats beeing "too old". So if it was one year newer it would have needed parts worth double the cars value. But due to it beeing a 2001 it passed with lit engine light and perfect "smog measure". And I have the real dealer diag-tools but only solution was to swap the cats. It still has good inspection on emissions many years on, and the check engine light is still on. I wonder how the manufacturers are getting away with this.
Good stuff Ivan. Someday hope to follow in real time all the circuit checks, ground side , control side ,test light usage, etc. Right now its lots of rewinding. Great to see the puzzle figured out at the end!
Great video Ivan! I just ran into this same problem on the same vehicle 2003 Sorento dead misfire on cylinder 4... found a shorted control wire to the coil causing it to melt after a couple mins! 🤦🏽♂️ Ordered a new ecm from local salvage yard and voila! Thanks for sharing bro!
Can someone please clone this man and send him to Europe, or better yet, leave the clone there and send the original Ivan. Your work is invaluable! Thank you!
Saved the Coustmer some money for sure, I've had a couple of go-rounds with Kia dealerships, can't say I'm surprised by their attitude, great catch with the fuel pump connections, great job as always
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Have seen it before but when only the actual pump part is replaced and the oem connector has to be spliced to the new pump wires. Very common to mix up the polarity and think the new part is a dud. But yes the fuel gauge was telling us the issue from the first one but we all (me included) were thinking that it was just out of fuel. Sometimes it really is just that simple! My dad bought a car cheap this way years ago. Owner did not realize he was out of gas and thought the gauge broke and the engine was kaput. 2 gallons of gas and a lowball offer later, and dad was the new owner of a Ford Torino.
A superb diagnostic process, Ivan! I'm surprised that the dealer mechanic would not have verified their fuel pump wiring since it was easy to see that both plugs were the same! They're obviously a few rungs down the ladder from you, Ivan. Well done!
I actually talked to the service managers. They were very friendly! They assured that the ECM for this truck was a one-time-program only, otherwise they would have found a used one. Well, that was kind of right, but the used ECM worked perfectly ;)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics i know the dealership i work for rarely installs used parts. In the few times I recall it happening. A document stating no warranty, other disclaimers on said part was with the invoice.
Ivan, I was always told when jump starting, the negative cable should go on the engine block, somewhere like a lifting lug so the current from the helping vehicle has the lowest resistance path to the starter.
I always thought you put the negative on the engine of the dead vehicle because it's the last connection made and you can get sparks. If you're hooked up to the block the sparks aren't by the battery.
The complex diagrams you go thru always tend to lead to a simple fix. Incredible. And most of the time it was something someone else screwed up! Hahaha. You just want to smack them but then thank them for the job. You are the diagnostic wizard of the east coast.
I was hoping to see this too. We know the check engine light illuminated after he manually woke up the ECM, so would it have started if the fuel pump was wired correctly? We are left wondering if the old ECM could have been salvaged instead of spending the extra $100 on the Ebay purchase.
@@geongeo but the old ECU never really woke up. Even with the fuel pump wiring being wrong the new one responded to the scanner. I do wonder what killed the old one though - would the wrong wiring cause enough current over time to damage the ECU? The error about the fuel sensor circuit being out of range does make me wonder.
Great video sir,1st time I have seen or watched any of your work. Not a mechanic by any means just happen to be working on a 2004 Kia Sorento. I got a lot out of it, but the main thing I want to say is, it made me double check my situation. Eureka ! I struck gold by doing so, and you got one more subscriber to your channel. Impressive young man !!!
Long story short it started off looking for the coolant leak coming out off the back of the motor. Actually, I still have to pinpoint it ugh 😑. In the process of doing it though jacked the ride up and took wheel and inner fender off hoping to get a better look. This caused the problem with fuel pump not picking up the fuel and the negatives in the relay box not to operate correctly. If you know an easier way to get to the back of the motor on a 3.5 without disassembling the motor I’m all ears.
The dealer knows that you can put a used ECM without needing any programming to start and run.. However the problem is the vin# will be a junkyard vehicle vin#, so if IVAN scans this KIA now it will have a different vin#, and the vin# can not be changed... that's the reason why the dealer says to junk the car, when its time for the owner of the vehicle to deal with SMOG CHECK/DMV, once they plugin and scan the vehicle it will be flagged for salvage vin#...... to all technicians doing this on KIA and HYUNDAI, make sure you explain this to your customer
When you manually grounded the pcm's control for the main relay, and the check engine light came alive --I'm curious if you could've communicated with the scan tool at that point. And, once the fuel pump issue was fixed, the car may have started and ran with that original pcm! Granted the original pcm may have had a fault code regarding the main relay's bad driver, which would fail inspection, but it would've been cool just to see!
Great job, you're great, I've been following you for a while and watching your videos is a real pleasure. I have been working as a Kia technician for 12 years so I know what I am talking about and this is a great example of properly done diagnostics. step by step. I live in Europe and the cars here are a little different. Just tell me please this kia Sorento has an Immobilizer system or not? I worked on several Kia Sorento that were imported from the USA and they did not have an Immobilizer system. Once again, you are great. I wish you good luck.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics So I thought, that the model with the Immobilizer system would then have to be reprogrammed, and in this situation you would have the error "immobilizer mismatch". Great thing when there is no immobilizer system, just plug and play :).
Dealer won’t recommend eBay parts because they don’t want to take responsibility for it. They did what they were supposed to do.. as well as Ivan. Always get a 2nd opinion. :)
You've got that right! I've got a 2020 Subaru Forester that out of the powertrain warranty and it needs a new TCV. I hadn't gotten a check engine light, just a low coolant temp warning, when I shouldn't have. So I posted asking what might cause it on reddit. It didn't take an hour before someone responded and said to keep a watch on my Thermo Control Valve, because it was a known problem and it looked like mine was going to take a dump. It's basically an electronic thermostat. Next morning when I started the car, didn't make it a mile down the road when my dash lite up like a Christmas tree. Called a few dealers and it's highway robbery to get this replaced. Would normally replace this myself, but I have a feeling Subaru will need to recall this and if I did the work myself, do I get my money back? I don't know, but parts alone is close to $900. There's a ton of posts about it, when you search by the error codes it throws. Now I'm kind of stuck.. do I let the dealer do it for $1900 with the hope Subaru will eventually recall so I can get my money back, or do it myself for about $900 with the revised part number?
Just had a similar problem with a Bosh fuel pump assembly. New in the box, installed and was a no start/no fuel pressure. Pump wiring, power and ground were swapped. Pump was running but in reverse. Had to drop tank back down to pull pump assembly to fix👍
A true Russian repair, no parts needed! All it took was Ivan's smarts. It did need a new ecm though. Was there any problem with mismatched VINs or similar?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I only know what I've learned on RUclips - makes me a troll I guess. 8-)). Thanks again for your informative videos. I like to see if I guess or figure out the problem before you do. Total failure on that today, I had no clue. My bet was on a bad ground. Thanks Ivan.
Congratulations Iven another car NOT going to the scrap yard or landfill !!. KIA Dealership should be ashamed of them selves (well its all about money to them, so they don't care, same with all stealerships)
I ran an Auto Repair service center for years; if YOU were outside in the weather, I would have told the boys in the shop "OPEN THE DOORS, PUSH THAT KIA INSIDE, Hook up a battery charger. Get this man a cup of coffee, AND SIT AND WATCH ---AND LEARN!" Thank You Ivan for the video!
haha that would have been fun :)
Yes
so true he sure knows his stuff
They didn't need to learn anything from him, they diagnosed the issue correctly as needing an engine ECU
@@civicowner07 But they didn't fix it and could have bought the same $100 computer from Ebay
Fixed it right on the dealer's lot after they told the customer it couldn't be fixed. If that isn't a middle finger to the dealership I don't know what is. Very satisfying.
At one point an older tech walked by and saw us working on the car and said “good luck” wryly, well the car was running not 15 minutes after he said that lol
@@gtemnykh haha yeah that was priceless :D
Ivan your diagnostic knowledge is impressive.
My kia sorento diesel 2004 wen it hot just stop like that what is the cause
Dealer: Buy a new car
Ivan: Russian repair on fuel pump plus EBay magic = $25,000 savings!
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
it's His logical step-by-step process that I really love... and he never panics or gets sidetracked. Super impressive.!
this is also such a good training video for anyone - particularly those setting out.
@@WCSPete1 Ya him and Eric O don't mess about they use there brains, experience and there tools to get straight to the point and get it done.
In this case, with that clattering engine, the dealer was right..by a new car. How many 10 year old Kias do you see on the road anyway?
everything you do in these videos go completely over my head but I'm strangely addicted to watching them
I have been following and learning from many top notch RUclipsrs in this realm, and I'm an older dog. You are #1 in my book Ivan! Nice Work as always!!
Thanks for the positive words, Brian!
Ivan, you are the "Magic Man.!" Once again your logical deductions come through. I do love the checks of "Powers and grounds, Powers and grounds - so important. Your ability to catch "the little things," like bent pins, and in this instance, NO wires going to the connectors to activate the pump. NO one else would have found that. Thanks,
Yes for know on everytime I get an electronic problem I say to myself what would Eric and iven do.
Props to KIA for having an access panel to the fuel pump instead of having to drop the whole fuel tank!
Yeah. Access to the fuel pump from the top should be a mandatory law.
That's because they expect it to go out quickly and it's an easy repair for the shop.
That dealer must be saying, get that guy out of here, we`ll never sell a new car again! Great job Ivan, you are one of a kind besides Eric O.
Ya I would have loved to be that customer just to see there face's I'd say there bullin .
@@neilmurphy845 Between Ivan and Eric O, they are the best Auto diagnostic people on RUclips, across the Pond, Diagnose Dan is excellent.
@@febbral Ya if all the mechanics in Ireland cannot fix the car I am definitely bringing it over to Dan because there just top notch and you know when it's done it'll be like the factory would have done it.
@@febbral I love Dan's "rubber glove routine." :)
@@neilmurphy845 Neil, I didn`t know you were from Ireland, your country has a great rock and roll band called DEA MATRONA, the girls in band are really good for such young women. Hope they come to States to perform.
This was one of the best diagnosis videos I’ve seen for a while. Superb job Ivan.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Dealer: "You need a new $1,500 computer or a new car."
Ivan: "Meh, gimme $100 for a used computer plus some labor and I'll find a screwed up fuel pump. "
Dealer: "I hate you."
Awesome diag, Ivan!
xD
Hahahhahaa
Fixing it in there own carpark that's a BOSS move !
The techs there need to take a day off and read a diagnostics book. He embarrassed them on something very simple.
Holy shit Ivan that was amazing. You just keep getting better. Thanks Ivan!
haha yeah that was a satisfying one!
Another great example of a systematic, scientific, and very practical approach to solving a complicated problem.
The fuel pump diag was genius! You never disappoint! Many would have just put another pump in never knowing it was plugged in wrong inside! Glad you "need to prove" what is wrong. Who would have known?
Certainly was a Staten Island fuel pump wiring issue.
I miss Keith and the Staten Island videos.
You and your brother make a great team!
Fuel pump wiring find was impressive!! Once again awesome work.
Great troubleshooting Ivan. You da man!
I became suspicious when I saw the low fuel light on and the fuel gauge on empty. After the wiring connections were placed in the proper place, the light turned off and the gauge actually gave a reading. It's neat how everything falls into place sometimes.
Good eye! I only noticed that after watching the video footage haha
Man u should be a deductive
@@W.Khairi detective ?
@@qisrice2540 Yea he noticed something very subtle
Amazing as always. Dealer has no time for people who dont want to pay high repair prices or if you don't want to buy a car.
You never fail to amaze me Ivan. You are an inspiration.
Ivan, I certainly hope your clients realize what a fantastic talent you have. These complex issues which you run down are impressive kills in the automotive jungle.
I have watched many of your videos, for some reason this one seemed to have a pre-plan style to it where you look at the schematic and you already have your test connections ready to go, I like this style very much to cut down on video length as you get straight to the point. Perfect video and hope to see many more in the future. Thanks again for the detailed repair and great info such as KIA don't need no stinking reprogramming.
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah this was post-diagnosis of the ECM, but the fuel pump was live :)
Ivan is a treasure to the automotive industry. Excellent teacher.
I think Ivan has lift us hanging with this one:
1- He didn't attempt to communicate with PCM after he energized Main RLY? ( At least then we will be sure if the whole PCM is junk or its only Main RLY activation problem)
2- After starting up the car he didn't reattempt to restart it with the older PCM -while externally energizing main RLY of course -
But we will forgive him for this one.....cause the fuel pump footage was really special.
Regardless, Thanks a lot for this valuable lesson.
Outstanding job Ivan. Plus an eBay score saving the customer BIG BUCKS - You da man. 😁
Outstanding diagnosis. 2 unrelated faults, one caused by the parts cannon. You looked happy with the result and you should be.
My only disappointment is the dealer was correct.. kind of... LOL... These are my favorite videos... Fixing someone else's screw up.. Well done...
Once again an impressive display of engine diagnostic ability. Fabulous work Ivan!!
You did however get the engine check light on with energising the main relay(old computer). With fuel pump right at that point it would have probably worked? Well 100 for a computer was cheap anyway.
Those were exactly my thoughts.
Sometimes the Mrel transistor burns out.
I was a bit scared watching him put a test light across the coil trigger as the transistors driving that sort of business are usually only 200ma rated jobbies
I'm pretty sure most diagnosticians would not have checked the internal wiring of a fuel pump. That was amazing!
I was really surprised that those connectors were swappable lol
They are not allow to think anymore.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I had a Toyota Corolla here not long with almost the same problem. Client installed a fuel pump, but the car would randomly die. Found spread pins at the fuel pump module internal connector.
Wow ! Now that was an interesting case study. Thanks Ivan !! Who needs an expensive scanner. Launch to the rescue !
Working in my first year as a heavy vehicle diesel mechanic atm, and I am beyond stoked that I could even follow what you were doing every step of the way. Amazing learning resource! 👍
Another brilliantly well thought through diag. and so well explained. I wish you lived nearby might be able get my intermittent stall fixed... there's no decent diagnostic people in my city...
Good cpmpetent mechanics are a dying breed.
"There's your problem lady!"... Brilliant video, thank you Ivan 👌👌👌
That was a noisy engine once it was running.
GDI engine? 😁😁😁😁😁
@@romonshakra9381
I don't think anyone had gdi back in 2005...
After it warms up, the lifters will fill...
@@Sonichu_is_watching yes I know, but it sounds like one.😁😁😁😁😁
I have this engine with 146,000 miles. It's really noisy on first startup if it hasn't been run for a while. They don't like sitting
Very logical step by step to fix this car's problems. Glad you were able to get it back up and running on a budget.
There are NOT enough Ivan's,..Eric O's & Scanner Danner's in this world !
Excellent diagnostic work as usual Ivan & once again this customer saved money.
Ivan great troubleshooting. I’m surprised the dealer let you work on it in their lot. Stay safe and well Artie😊
Great Job Ivan! I like seeing vehicles once thought hopeless and it's saved for another day! Hopefully it will serve the owner for a while longer!
I wouldn’t have thought that a car-fix video could be this exciting…keep ‘em coming!
Right on! Even Kia dealership, needs Ivan 's expertise and knowladge to work on their Kia cars) That's next level up!
Awesome another happy customer no surprise. You are one heck of a diagnostic dude. Love watching your videos!
Amazing you're the 'on the road guru'..dealerships have to learn more
No, they don't want to pay more money to season veteran mechanics, bring on the new graduates.
@@romonshakra9381 go independent
How many mechanics would've stopped at the fuel pump wiring connector and called the pump. Love that Ivan takes the extra step and looks at the pumps internal wiring.
Luckily it came out easy...not like a Volvo lol
Good job Ivan. I would also replace the main relay just in case the windings are drawing too much current and loading the driver too much.
Good point
That was a diagnosis above and beyond. That is how you get customers for life. Great Job.
when all else fails call Ivan! don't you love it when you are following two or three other guys.
Awesome troubleshooting and teaching skills! Big fan of your work
Another one saved from the "environment friendly" landfill. Good job. I was at a junkyard recently for the first time in a long time. I was chocked. Last time it was mainly rusty junk cars. Now the majority was "new" cars which probably had some electronic issues. I mean, like cars absolute mint condition. No damage, clean, worth a lot of money if you asked me. And I kind of get it. Here in Sweden, the inspection reads codes on 2002 and newer. My wife had a Citroën V6 2001 that basically coded with all three cats beeing "too old". So if it was one year newer it would have needed parts worth double the cars value. But due to it beeing a 2001 it passed with lit engine light and perfect "smog measure". And I have the real dealer diag-tools but only solution was to swap the cats. It still has good inspection on emissions many years on, and the check engine light is still on. I wonder how the manufacturers are getting away with this.
Yeah it's sad that good cars get junked due to some silly failures!
Good stuff Ivan. Someday hope to follow in real time all the circuit checks, ground side , control side ,test light usage, etc. Right now its lots of rewinding. Great to see the puzzle figured out at the end!
Great video Ivan! I just ran into this same problem on the same vehicle 2003 Sorento dead misfire on cylinder 4... found a shorted control wire to the coil causing it to melt after a couple mins! 🤦🏽♂️ Ordered a new ecm from local salvage yard and voila! Thanks for sharing bro!
Very cool! Good to hear from you rGreg! Hope things are well in GA :)
Can someone please clone this man and send him to Europe, or better yet, leave the clone there and send the original Ivan. Your work is invaluable! Thank you!
Me to I wish he was in Ireland he's amazing.
We can't send him because when he's there, he will be thinking about his Grandmother in Russia and would, as we say: "Beat feet." I would.
Lack of competent mechanics in Europe I presume ?
On second thought, I bet a guy like Ivan is a true rarity.
@@eugenealymov2723 Well in Ireland there's lots of good mechanics.
your dedication to this job was admirable. Great runover on all issues. Thanks for the tips
That was a great one Ivan, I love your systematic approach, you are amazing
Посмотрел. Ты молодец! Странно, что в 2005 году нет иммобилайзера...
Рад, что Григорий, показался нам в кадре:)
Excellent job again Ivan. I am not a tech. However I have learned allot by watching you. I really enjoy watching you work.
Kia mechanics can’t repair this Kia. Ps we have to get a second opinion. Send in Ivan with the Russian fix gets it done ✔️
WHAT?? No BONUS footage?!?! Lol
That customer should buy you a cape and super hero mask, Ivan! You saved him big time! Good job. Nice repair.
Saved the Coustmer some money for sure, I've had a couple of go-rounds with Kia dealerships, can't say I'm surprised by their attitude, great catch with the fuel pump connections, great job as always
Wow....You're the Sherlock Holmes of Automotive Diagnostics!...Who would think of a incorrectly wired fuel pump.
First time I've seen something like that...
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Have seen it before but when only the actual pump part is replaced and the oem connector has to be spliced to the new pump wires. Very common to mix up the polarity and think the new part is a dud. But yes the fuel gauge was telling us the issue from the first one but we all (me included) were thinking that it was just out of fuel. Sometimes it really is just that simple!
My dad bought a car cheap this way years ago. Owner did not realize he was out of gas and thought the gauge broke and the engine was kaput. 2 gallons of gas and a lowball offer later, and dad was the new owner of a Ford Torino.
Amazing diagnostic skills Ivan!!!
A superb diagnostic process, Ivan! I'm surprised that the dealer mechanic would not have verified their fuel pump wiring since it was easy to see that both plugs were the same! They're obviously a few rungs down the ladder from you, Ivan. Well done!
I think they just stopped at a bad ECM and advised the owner to trade in the truck haha
I don't know why , but I felt happy when the pump worked.
That is the feeling of SATISFACTION...
me too, yeeeeeeeeeah
Thanks for the content Ivan, thanks to you another car gets to live another day👍
To be fair no dealership is going to put in a used ECM. Not because they can't, but because lawyers.....
I actually talked to the service managers. They were very friendly! They assured that the ECM for this truck was a one-time-program only, otherwise they would have found a used one. Well, that was kind of right, but the used ECM worked perfectly ;)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics i know the dealership i work for rarely installs used parts. In the few times I recall it happening. A document stating no warranty, other disclaimers on said part was with the invoice.
Good catch Ivan! Glad to see your thought process on this! 🙏🏼
Easiest dealer diagnosis, just buy a new car! Who would have thought! 😂🤣 Ivan nice diagnosis. 👍
Amazing diagnosis and low price fix, love it👌
Ivan, I was always told when jump starting, the negative cable should go on the engine block, somewhere like a lifting lug so the current from the helping vehicle has the lowest resistance path to the starter.
Yeah I generally do that...whatever is more convenient.
I always thought you put the negative on the engine of the dead vehicle because it's the last connection made and you can get sparks. If you're hooked up to the block the sparks aren't by the battery.
Always a pleasure to watch you.
Ivan,
Great video and diag - thank you! They should have poka yoke those connectors.
God bless
Paul (in MA)
Thanks Paul!
The complex diagrams you go thru always tend to lead to a simple fix. Incredible. And most of the time it was something someone else screwed up! Hahaha. You just want to smack them but then thank them for the job. You are the diagnostic wizard of the east coast.
I wanted to see you plug in the old computer to see if it would fire up.
I already proved that it was dead lol
I was hoping to see this too. We know the check engine light illuminated after he manually woke up the ECM, so would it have started if the fuel pump was wired correctly? We are left wondering if the old ECM could have been salvaged instead of spending the extra $100 on the Ebay purchase.
@@geongeo but the old ECU never really woke up. Even with the fuel pump wiring being wrong the new one responded to the scanner.
I do wonder what killed the old one though - would the wrong wiring cause enough current over time to damage the ECU? The error about the fuel sensor circuit being out of range does make me wonder.
Your electrical analysis is really impressive Mr. smarty pants.
Great video sir,1st time I have seen or watched any of your work. Not a mechanic by any means just happen to be working on a 2004 Kia Sorento. I got a lot out of it, but the main thing I want to say is, it made me double check my situation. Eureka ! I struck gold by doing so, and you got one more subscriber to your channel. Impressive young man !!!
Hey Tim welcome to the show! What did you find on your Hyundai?
Long story short it started off looking for the coolant leak coming out off the back of the motor. Actually, I still have to pinpoint it ugh 😑. In the process of doing it though jacked the ride up and took wheel and inner fender off hoping to get a better look. This caused the problem with fuel pump not picking up the fuel and the negatives in the relay box not to operate correctly. If you know an easier way to get to the back of the motor on a 3.5 without disassembling the motor I’m all ears.
Oh yea, when it’s empty and 1 gallon of gas goes in it’s still empty.
Great video Ivan. you should make more videos on Kia because i own one.
😧 dang. Look hard diag. I barely fixed P2173 , throttle body code but it was a vacuum leak. Nice job 👍🏼.
The dealer knows that you can put a used ECM without needing any programming to start and run.. However the problem is the vin# will be a junkyard vehicle vin#, so if IVAN scans this KIA now it will have a different vin#, and the vin# can not be changed... that's the reason why the dealer says to junk the car, when its time for the owner of the vehicle to deal with SMOG CHECK/DMV, once they plugin and scan the vehicle it will be flagged for salvage vin#...... to all technicians doing this on KIA and HYUNDAI, make sure you explain this to your customer
An interesting excuse.
Damn, are you ruskies taking over? Hahaha. Brother you've taught me a lot in the past couple of years. Keep up the great work Ivan. ❤
Amazing troubleshooting and good ol' EBay!
Nice fix Ivan. Fuel pump guy did mot pay attention to the details..smh...lol.
Next video Ivan opens up the Kia computer..lol
Excellent video, I am more exited than you are when the engine started working 🙂
When you manually grounded the pcm's control for the main relay, and the check engine light came alive --I'm curious if you could've communicated with the scan tool at that point. And, once the fuel pump issue was fixed, the car may have started and ran with that original pcm! Granted the original pcm may have had a fault code regarding the main relay's bad driver, which would fail inspection, but it would've been cool just to see!
Very interesting question! Should have tried that :)
Wow, what a mess, and typical dealer diagnosis, you just saved this person a great deal.
i was really impressed with how mehodical you went about running down the problem great job
Methodical scientific approach never fails! 😎
Great job, you're great, I've been following you for a while and watching your videos is a real pleasure. I have been working as a Kia technician for 12 years so I know what I am talking about and this is a great example of properly done diagnostics. step by step. I live in Europe and the cars here are a little different. Just tell me please this kia Sorento has an Immobilizer system or not? I worked on several Kia Sorento that were imported from the USA and they did not have an Immobilizer system. Once again, you are great. I wish you good luck.
Hi Milutin, this one was a base model with no immobilizer :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics So I thought, that the model with the Immobilizer system would then have to be reprogrammed, and in this situation you would have the error "immobilizer mismatch". Great thing when there is no immobilizer system, just plug and play :).
Wish you had tried back the old ECM and ground the wire to the ecm relay driver. Great video as usual Ivan… my kinda approach!👍🏾
Great job. Wtg going that extra mile diagnosing the no start. I have never experienced a connection being reversed like that before.
Yeah that was a surprising find lol
Dealer won’t recommend eBay parts because they don’t want to take responsibility for it. They did what they were supposed to do.. as well as Ivan. Always get a 2nd opinion. :)
And they probably can't jack the price up on it like they tend to do with OEM parts.
You've got that right! I've got a 2020 Subaru Forester that out of the powertrain warranty and it needs a new TCV. I hadn't gotten a check engine light, just a low coolant temp warning, when I shouldn't have. So I posted asking what might cause it on reddit. It didn't take an hour before someone responded and said to keep a watch on my Thermo Control Valve, because it was a known problem and it looked like mine was going to take a dump. It's basically an electronic thermostat. Next morning when I started the car, didn't make it a mile down the road when my dash lite up like a Christmas tree.
Called a few dealers and it's highway robbery to get this replaced. Would normally replace this myself, but I have a feeling Subaru will need to recall this and if I did the work myself, do I get my money back? I don't know, but parts alone is close to $900. There's a ton of posts about it, when you search by the error codes it throws. Now I'm kind of stuck.. do I let the dealer do it for $1900 with the hope Subaru will eventually recall so I can get my money back, or do it myself for about $900 with the revised part number?
@@crabjoe Any update?
Ivan , you sure dont give up until you find your problem , thats impressive .
Just had a similar problem with a Bosh fuel pump assembly. New in the box, installed and was a no start/no fuel pressure. Pump wiring, power and ground were swapped. Pump was running but in reverse. Had to drop tank back down to pull pump assembly to fix👍
ugh at least you got it figured out!
If the power and ground were swapped at the pump, maybe you could avoid dropping the tank by just swapping the wires at the other end as well?
Great fix! Always find out what work has been done previously.
A true Russian repair, no parts needed! All it took was Ivan's smarts. It did need a new ecm though. Was there any problem with mismatched VINs or similar?
VIN was mismatched, but doesn't matter on a 2005 non-CAN system :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I only know what I've learned on RUclips - makes me a troll I guess. 8-)). Thanks again for your informative videos. I like to see if I guess or figure out the problem before you do. Total failure on that today, I had no clue. My bet was on a bad ground. Thanks Ivan.
No oil? There's a lot of tappy tap tap coming from that motor..... nice work diagnosing.
Excellent job
Motoyam. 👍👍
Great job! I am quite surprised the dealer let you work on in on their property.
The service dept was very friendly! Customer is always right :)
Another great video bro. Always cool!
Congratulations Iven another car NOT going to the scrap yard or landfill !!. KIA Dealership should be ashamed of them selves (well its all about money to them, so they don't care, same with all stealerships)
don't you just love it when people bring in cars with hardly any gas.... nice job...