The Human Physical Body is indeed Mortal. But the Human Soul is Immortal. If the Human Soul CAN BE PURIFIED from DESIRE then it will return to being The Divine.
*Morgoth tortures millions, enslaves millions, defiles life itself, and almost conquers the world* Eru: Eh, whatever. *Men invade an island because they are terrified of dying* Eru: THIS IS UNFORGIVABLE!
Ironically, that may have also been the worst way to die. The peak of the mountain would be a small yet barren island, and no sign of rescue in sight given that the Faithful Numenoreans would have already been long gone. So she'd die a slow death of starvation.
@@Gala-yp8nx Firstly, that mountain is dedicated to Eru Ilúvatar alone. Secondly, the Valar had absolutely no authority or intrinsic responsibility toward humans, unlike the Elves. Thirdly, the Valar are not to be worshipped or supplicated because they are not gods. There is only one God in Tolkien’s universe, and He is Eru Ilúvatar-the one whom the Númenoreans disrespected and disobeyed by allowing Sauron to corrupt their hearts and minds.
@@anti-liberalismo They most certainly weren’t supposed to. That deviation is almost exclusively made by Mankind, as Tolkien made clear in one of his letters (if I’m not mistaken). Men have often wrongly taken the Valar as gods and goddesses and worshiped them instead of Eru. You see, humanity in Tolkien’s world enjoys a special and unique relationship with Eru, their Creator. He favored them above much of what He created, making them essentially for Himself, unlike the Elves, for example, who are under the authority of the Valar. This idea is not surprising, as it is found in the sacred scriptures of the Abrahamic religions (i.e., the Bible and the Quran), aside from the fact that Tolkien was Catholic.
It was actually the opposite because the Valar and Eru never helped men but would wage war for elves and allow them to live with them. It was so easy for Sauron to turn the Numenoreans against the Valar because they neglected men
@@JohnDoe-sw1rsthe Valar literally brought the men all the way near Valinor so they could have peace and long life(which was the only thing they asked) and gave them life as long as Eru allowed, made them become superhuman and in all ways more like the Elves than other men. No, the Valar DID care, but the men of Middle Earth for the most part refused the call of the Valar to Numenor, even so Numenor had hundreds of thousands of people in he beginning, including a few servants of Morgoth
@@anti-liberalismo They only did that for the humans that were lucky enough to make it west. They abandoned the Easterlings and Haradrim people as soon as Morgoth started influencing thing.
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs of course, the Valar changed the shaping of the world twice for the sake of the children of Iluvatar, if they would free every single man in middle earth they might as well destroy the whole continent! And just like the avari, the men of Middle Earth didn't want to be saved, they just wanted to stay there, many by fear and others by pride and the majority because they worshipped Morgoth.
As great as this scene is, I don't think they should have had it in season 1. They should have established Numenor for a few seasons so its eventual fall hits harder, instead of showing it off the bat. This is why the Gollum flashback worked so good in Return of the King. We established a relationship with Gollum for a whole movie, which made seeing him pre monster so impactful.
They couldn't really follow the story of Numenor as Tolkien had written it, so they basically got rid of Numenor as quickly as possible. They only have the rights to LOTR and its appendices. If they were to follow the Akalabeth they would have been sued. I personally can't stand RoP, I think it's a cash grab that runs roughshod over the existing lore. Just my personal opinion
@@darthmmc7660 I tried watching the show, really gave it a fair chance, at least in my opinion I did. I couldn't finish it. I admit that I've spent 40 years reading the books so I'm biased though.
My biggest gripe was why Sauron didn't turn into a vampire and fly away before Numenor became flooded. Was he unfortunate to be on the coast or the port when it happened, or was he in complete shock that Eru Illuvatar himself took action and froze in horror? The truth is that Sauron just laughed at Numenor's downfall and chilled in his temple without any thought of escaping. This is kind of weird for a fallen maiar and dark lord who has valued self-preservation ever since he begged for his life when Huan defeated him.
That's an interesting point actually. Iirc in the books it's not just a huge flood, the planet literally changes form due to this event so maybe the waves were just too high for Sauron to escape on time.
It’s no mistake they got this scene to make you feel sorry for the woman and her child. They’d like people to consider Eru unjust perhaps, and by proxy the God Tolkien worshipped.
God gives and God takes. Who are we to say what’s just and what’s not? He created us, He gave us life and He can take it away whenever and however He pleases. He’s our eternal Lord and the sole purpose of our existence is to love, worship and obey Him. We are not fit to question God’s will in the universe.
@@writershard5065 The author of the story at least showed heart and passion in conveying his beliefs, unlike many today who live aimlessly like a blind herd of sheep heading toward disaster.
@@Visitant01 As far as I know, my mum and dad fucked each other on a canary island, that show the sperm of my dad got inserted into m mom. Nobody told him to do that.... so I guess that was their decision not that of your "eternal lord"? Also, to coin him as "he takes and gives as he pleaes" makes him kind of a psychopath, no?
This is the worst part of he series. Can't stand the Numenorean characthers. If the Valar don't deliver, I'm up to sinking this island bucket by bucket.
When men thought they could become divine, the divine power had to remind them they were mere mortals.
The Human Physical Body is indeed Mortal. But the Human Soul is Immortal. If the Human Soul CAN BE PURIFIED from DESIRE then it will return to being The Divine.
And WW2 should remind US that "god" did nothing.
Time to end the deal and get this incompétent be fired
What, and World War 1 did not? You should just stay quiet boy.
@@vigo894 in WW2 you had children killed by gas because Jews.
"God" is a blood thirsty demon.
That gave me chills...it's one thing to read abou the fall of Numenor...another to watch it happening almost before your eyes.
*Morgoth tortures millions, enslaves millions, defiles life itself, and almost conquers the world*
Eru: Eh, whatever.
*Men invade an island because they are terrified of dying*
Eru: THIS IS UNFORGIVABLE!
in the silmarillion, miriel climbed the mountain but didn't reach the top in time.
She was trying to reach the summit to beg for mercy from the Valar.
Ironically, that may have also been the worst way to die. The peak of the mountain would be a small yet barren island, and no sign of rescue in sight given that the Faithful Numenoreans would have already been long gone. So she'd die a slow death of starvation.
@@Gala-yp8nx Firstly, that mountain is dedicated to Eru Ilúvatar alone. Secondly, the Valar had absolutely no authority or intrinsic responsibility toward humans, unlike the Elves. Thirdly, the Valar are not to be worshipped or supplicated because they are not gods. There is only one God in Tolkien’s universe, and He is Eru Ilúvatar-the one whom the Númenoreans disrespected and disobeyed by allowing Sauron to corrupt their hearts and minds.
@@Visitant01the Dunedain most certainly worshipped Uinen
@@anti-liberalismo They most certainly weren’t supposed to. That deviation is almost exclusively made by Mankind, as Tolkien made clear in one of his letters (if I’m not mistaken). Men have often wrongly taken the Valar as gods and goddesses and worshiped them instead of Eru. You see, humanity in Tolkien’s world enjoys a special and unique relationship with Eru, their Creator. He favored them above much of what He created, making them essentially for Himself, unlike the Elves, for example, who are under the authority of the Valar. This idea is not surprising, as it is found in the sacred scriptures of the Abrahamic religions (i.e., the Bible and the Quran), aside from the fact that Tolkien was Catholic.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That's the price for trying to play Eru Iluvatar.
That's the best way to describe it
Númenorians: “WE DONT NEED ERU!”
Eru: “Bet.”
It was actually the opposite because the Valar and Eru never helped men but would wage war for elves and allow them to live with them. It was so easy for Sauron to turn the Numenoreans against the Valar because they neglected men
@@JohnDoe-sw1rsthe Valar literally brought the men all the way near Valinor so they could have peace and long life(which was the only thing they asked) and gave them life as long as Eru allowed, made them become superhuman and in all ways more like the Elves than other men. No, the Valar DID care, but the men of Middle Earth for the most part refused the call of the Valar to Numenor, even so Numenor had hundreds of thousands of people in he beginning, including a few servants of Morgoth
@@anti-liberalismo They only did that for the humans that were lucky enough to make it west. They abandoned the Easterlings and Haradrim people as soon as Morgoth started influencing thing.
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs of course, the Valar changed the shaping of the world twice for the sake of the children of Iluvatar, if they would free every single man in middle earth they might as well destroy the whole continent! And just like the avari, the men of Middle Earth didn't want to be saved, they just wanted to stay there, many by fear and others by pride and the majority because they worshipped Morgoth.
The year 3319 second age “the changing of world”
That's what happens when a civilization has god complex. It always fall.
The bigger you are, the harder you fall.
It reminds me a little of the flooding of Isengard
Oh the salted pork is particularly good
@@thatguy_dirt_in_your_eye combine that with some Longbottom Leaf. The finest pipe weed of the Southfarthing
The Fall of Atlan... Numenor!
Season 3?
As great as this scene is, I don't think they should have had it in season 1. They should have established Numenor for a few seasons so its eventual fall hits harder, instead of showing it off the bat. This is why the Gollum flashback worked so good in Return of the King. We established a relationship with Gollum for a whole movie, which made seeing him pre monster so impactful.
They couldn't really follow the story of Numenor as Tolkien had written it, so they basically got rid of Numenor as quickly as possible. They only have the rights to LOTR and its appendices. If they were to follow the Akalabeth they would have been sued. I personally can't stand RoP, I think it's a cash grab that runs roughshod over the existing lore. Just my personal opinion
Have you people watched the show, or even the full video? This is a dream, Númenor will probably not fall until season 3 or 4.
@@darthmmc7660 I tried watching the show, really gave it a fair chance, at least in my opinion I did. I couldn't finish it. I admit that I've spent 40 years reading the books so I'm biased though.
Что за фильм?
The way the stone spire at the front literally bended by the sher amount of water coming facing it is just TERRIFYING
The fall of numenor is innevitable
My biggest gripe was why Sauron didn't turn into a vampire and fly away before Numenor became flooded. Was he unfortunate to be on the coast or the port when it happened, or was he in complete shock that Eru Illuvatar himself took action and froze in horror? The truth is that Sauron just laughed at Numenor's downfall and chilled in his temple without any thought of escaping. This is kind of weird for a fallen maiar and dark lord who has valued self-preservation ever since he begged for his life when Huan defeated him.
I guess, since Eru himself intervened, Sauron's physical form was destined to be destroyed.
That's an interesting point actually. Iirc in the books it's not just a huge flood, the planet literally changes form due to this event so maybe the waves were just too high for Sauron to escape on time.
It will be interesting to see how they handle this point.
Did it show sauron's body being destroyed by the flood like in the book
This hasn't happened in the show yet, most likely it will come to pass in either season 3 or 4 but i hope they follow the book on this one.
It’s no mistake they got this scene to make you feel sorry for the woman and her child. They’d like people to consider Eru unjust perhaps, and by proxy the God Tolkien worshipped.
God gives and God takes. Who are we to say what’s just and what’s not? He created us, He gave us life and He can take it away whenever and however He pleases. He’s our eternal Lord and the sole purpose of our existence is to love, worship and obey Him. We are not fit to question God’s will in the universe.
@@Visitant01 Oh dear god Lord of the Rings was just preachy Catholic prattling this whole time.
@@writershard5065 The author of the story at least showed heart and passion in conveying his beliefs, unlike many today who live aimlessly like a blind herd of sheep heading toward disaster.
Yep, the children certainly didn't deserve it, their fathers and their mothers did though
@@Visitant01 As far as I know, my mum and dad fucked each other on a canary island, that show the sperm of my dad got inserted into m mom. Nobody told him to do that.... so I guess that was their decision not that of your "eternal lord"?
Also, to coin him as "he takes and gives as he pleaes" makes him kind of a psychopath, no?
One thing Amazon got right. Hope Bezos believes.
Supposed to be fall of Amazon
This is the worst part of he series. Can't stand the Numenorean characthers. If the Valar don't deliver, I'm up to sinking this island bucket by bucket.
"Kemen's pickle may rule the fate of many...and that is an encouraging thought."
"Isildur was meant to save Kemen's pickle, in which case Earien was meant to have Kemen's pickle...and that is an encouraging thought."
One great scene in an overall POS.