Has AEW Violence Gone TOO FAR (Questions & Answers)
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WWE= cartoon, kids tv.
AEW= Adult tv , M/MA viewing
Different flavours are a good thing.
Wrong,
WWE = Family fun, child friendly entertainment with heroes, villains, something for everyone
AEW = Clinging to that nostalgic feel of attitude era, ECW, masochistic tendencies of certain corners of the online world
To paraphrase Jon Moxley:
“We have to be polar opposite of they’re doing”
Implies that if wwe is successful, they have to be running their own asses into the ground
@@avadakedavra6587 Exactly. If they are gaining viewers, we are going to lose them😂
I think when Swerve comes back TK needs to send him and Hangman to Dr Shelby for therapy 😂
"If you don't like it, don't watch"
AEW fans have been saying this for a while now. Unfortunately for AEW, about half their viewership has taken the advice to heart...
That ppv was amazing if you don't think so idk what to tell you. Seems like you're biased, and that's the point. Also you're literally just wrong.
@@StoveToTheFace what was amazing? The comedy brick and pointless cage match? The best worker in the world against the midget badass? The least over top tag team against a way past date tag team? The four way with the I didn't do it kid?
@andrewmorrison5289 you're in the minority. Have fun, hater.
@@StoveToTheFace if you hate the mcrib do you hate macdonalds? The whole "if you don't like all of it you're a hater" is the logic of children and emotionally stunted adults
Did I not just say the best worker in the business works for AEW?
Danielson, MJF, osprey, Adam Copeland. Lots to like on AEW.
It's not being a "hater" to point out when things are bad in the hope of them getting better.
Given the attendance and viewing figures, I'm clearly not in the minority. The minority is the niche market of frustrated czw fans you thinks needles are just the best in wrestling.
"....viewership down..." BLAH BLAH BLAH! And yet their ppv buys are consistent or up year over year, event over event.... At $50 a pop its impressive that those numbers have remained steady or increased. TV viewership isn't a real indicator anymore, way too many have "cut the cable cord" or watch thru alternative digital means.... And with 8-10 ppv events a year, at $50 each it's very impressive AND FINANCIALLY LUCRATIVE to maintain the buyrate numbers.
Spot-on. Don't do it all the time, but do it when the feud/match calls for it. One of the reasons I was let down by the Drew-Punk feud is that their matches never really felt all that heated or violent despite these guys supposedly wanting to kill each other.
Not to mention AEW was doing pizza slicers and flaming tables in 2021, which was easily their hottest year.
Especially now that we are getting hell in a cell. As good as the match will be I know that their isn’t going to be anything too violent as not to anger sponsors. So at best we will get chairs to back tables kendo sticks and tables. Still a fun match but nothing that will truly separate it from a hardcore match unless they go to top of cell which let’s be honest, ain’t know way Cm Punk is going off that cell
@@thatlemur6065 He'd shatter in a million pieces.
NO! For the 1st question! That was one of the best ppvs I've seen in a long time.
I watch both aew and wwe and I see a lot of wwe fans complaining about it if they like don’t watch and then they complain about oh they are copying wwe aew should be different from them not the same that why it’s called competition
the only time I have watched aew weekly is last year when they were doing Adam Cole mjf sports entertainment storyline. They were getting the highest quarter hours on shows. It's when they stopped doing that ticket sales dropped and ratings went down.
Wrestling fans are so weird how do u complain about AEW being too violent but praise and chant ECW all the time? People just like to bitch about something
@@SmokeyRobbinson that is a good point. I think the ecw chant is just a thing people chant when they see a table at this point.
For me it's not that it's too violent, it's that it's too stupid. Powerbomb on a brick and a kick out? Nah
I have 4 lip pericings.... for those uneducated/ inexperienced, Swerves "wound" only lasted for 3 hours tops. Tissue and repair cells rapidly redevelops in that area of the human body... RAPID.
Amazing show, for the less fear pumped psyche!🎉
I stopped watching wrestling in the late 90s when WCW and WWE became nothing but this sort of hardcore match....make the girls do sexy things.....and 80 factions in a company all trying to be nWo or DX. I went from hardcore AEW fan watching Hangman pin Omega for the belt in the nosebleeds, to "I'll catch the clips", to "I'll catch the news story recap." This shit drove me away from wrestling for almost 15 years before I started watching again and it wasn't AEW until I became a fan again and buying ppvs again. Now it's all bullshit.
I just think it’s bad enough with Cody and Roman in wwe but the amount of stuff the top 12 guys in aew kick out of would make Undertaker blush. On a regular basis every match is stone cold vs the rock at wrestlemania with half a dozen finisher kick outs, grenades and automatic machine gun fire kick outs, it’s ridiculous.
Hidden blade is the biggest joke finisher in wrestling. He hits opponents with missiles & nukes before it but they get pinned after a tame forearm
At the end all these aew stunts are going to get old and normalized. The fans are going to want more and the wrestlers wanting to impress would just wound up shortening their lives
Tony Khan wants it to be more than 600,000. Impact and others tried that in the past as a WWE competitor, didn't work and the ultra-violence won't work for AEW. People don't want that overly bloody sh*t. I agree copying WWE won't work either. Being niche is not what Tony Khan wants being niche is not good enough for AEW's vision. The sad truth is they are in a really tough spot and I def don't pretend to know the answer, but the overly violent shock value will not work long term whatsoever. Its already overdone.
u are wrong the entire attitude era was built around the violence and shock value if they manage to get fraction of what they did in attitude era it will be win win for everyone and for your information i really enjoyed that ppv me & my friends brought some beers and watched the hell out of that ppv amazing time man and ultra violence certainly did for us may be not for u so i suggest u should tune in to something more kids freindly if u don’t like it dont watch it
@@mattmk476 you're right the attitude era (the best era) was built on that but that time is over on a big scale. I enjoy the shock value but not in the over done overly bloody violent way. AEW is already over doing it and its losing its value, it needs to be used sparingly for more impact. There will always be a decent amount of viewers that still enjoy that but i just don't think the amount Khan and AEW would be hoping for.
No!! but they shouldn't do it often.
This fool Andy Murray is a gone case. He is now in the Dave Meltzer category when it comes to defending AEW. I like the violence part but this goof is defending AEW like he is the owner. Quit being a mark Andy
Andy is the one guy in this team whom I dislike. His behaviour and attitude is often disrespectful and sneaky, as he suggests that he isn't partial when what he says shows that he absolutely is. He must think the viewers are pretty dumb to not notice that.
Love the question about what brand you introduce friends to. I have gotten so many of my friends into wrestling by having Royal Rumble watch parties.
Aew is different to wwe and that's great for us pro wrestling fans
AEW have a niche product. Thats why fans watch and why the ratings are dropping. Its not because they are emulating WWE 😂😂😂
Like you said "if you don't like it don't watch" and they have. The fact is the people watching are the AEW fans lol but apparently according to some AEW fans they aren't real fans 😂😂😂 hilarious.
I don’t get it. Do AEW fans not want the company to grow? The Danielson angle was just bad booking and the Hangman/Swerve match was genuinely distasteful. “If you don’t like it, just don’t watch,” is not the attitude a live event promotion should take if it wants to expand beyond the hobby of a son-of-a-billionaire. If there were ever an example for why marks should not be allowed anywhere near the running of a wrestling promotion, it’s this video right here.
@@tadhg82 no they don't that's the thing. The attitude for the most part is "this is OUR thing"
Andy Murray is such a aew mark
Im tired of people saying AEW goes too far then turn around and praise ECW
There are so many WWE marks available to argue so just ignore all of them 😂 Just say 1 thing "Cry me a river"
@@rahilkhan6714 yeah saying cry me a river is super cool and wins any conversation on the internet, literally the coolest thing you can say ever.
I don't care about the violence. ECW was violent and entertaining. AEW is just silly.
These mark channels will never admit this. How is stapling someone gonna ever help you win a fight? Just indy mudshow bs
You guys are missing the point they're trying all these gimmicks and it's not working most of the matches no one's on their feet they have no audience in the arena or on television your advice for them is really working
This is why the ratings are going down. CZW never got massive because nobody wants to watch this shit. Sticking a needle through someone’s cheek isn’t going to win a match it’s absolutely pointless and does more harm to the product than good. The ratings are absolutely shit and this is one reason why.
I feel like the cage match was promised to be as hard-core as anything to come before. So doing the bag angle before it was the perfect time. If it was alienating this people weren't going to be sad to miss the cage match. As long as I can watch and believe it's being done safely they can keep escalating. This was the right place to put it.
No, next question please.
The more I think about it, the more I am starting to believe WWE will never turn Cody heel. I see Cody being this generation's John Cena (for better or worse) and the way Cody moves merch and the way kids seem to love this clown, I don't think WWE will turn him. They wouldn't want to tamper with their cash cow.
The parents complaining about the violence in AEW are probably the same parents who brought their small children to IT: Chapter One and Deadpool, then complained about the content.
At the rate hangman and swerve going one of them is gonna lose a limb and the match still won’t end there
Has everyone forgotten about what WWE used to do in wrestling???
They were brutal at one point so quit your whining!!!
None of it went too far because there's nothing in wrestling. If you go to far it only serves a purpose. It gives good drama. It also sells the animosity between another wrestler. If they make the audience uncomfortable then that is exactly what they should do. It makes the turn that more heinous and sells them as a reason to really not like each other anymore. On top of that the cage match itself what they did in that makes them seem like they really don't like each other. Mission accomplished. I actually wasn't uncomfortable with it I enjoyed it. I'm from The Attitude Era though. Also people don't know this but Ric Flair did a plastic bag spot where someone did that to him. Back in his earlier days!
So their answer is, aew dont do the violent stuff like that all the time. Later, they say, if you are concerned for your kids watching it , then you should be aware that they do bloody, violent stuff all the time on the weekly shows.... so get over it. I can't see how you can be like it didn't go too far, when alot of your takes on the channel was that is was hard to watch.... hard to watch is not a great thing, guys
u are wrong the entire attitude era was built around the violence and shock value if they manage to get fraction of what they did in attitude era it will be win win for everyone and for your information i really enjoyed that ppv me & my friends brought some beers and watched the hell out of that ppv amazing time man and ultra violence certainly did for us may be not for u so i suggest u should tune in to something more kids freindly if u don’t like it dont watch it
@mattmk476 you didn't really respond to any points that I made. I never said if I felt it was too violent or not. My point is that one moment, the hosts of the news said it wasn't a big deal because aew barely does things like this.... then they follow that by saying kids shouldn't be watching because they do violent stuff on their weekly shows. Next I made a point, that the hosts said that the match was hard to watch... which if you have a product that is hard to watch, that normally doesn't do well for ratings. So add hard to watch matches and not having kids to watch the product cause it's too violent, how do you plan on building an audience that will continue to grow?
@@thomastate3182 so u think that u know better then these billion dollar companies?
@mattmk476 haha, I never once claimed to. We don't have to keep going back and forth. You keep enjoying what you enjoy ; I'll do the same. Both of us can keep the opinions we started this with..... have a good one.
AEW is super versatile all in vs all out was so different it's really the home of professional wrestling
If WWE did these things yes, AEW no, totally different fan base and age demo
Yeah. A wrestling promotion where murders are attempted. Got it.
Here, you dropped this 🏳️🌈
@@Sabbathbloodysabbath666 are you implying that I’m gay ? lol 😂
A performer of aspect the crowd was dead silent even the crowd there didn't care
When TNA was good back in 2003 to 2008 it was good bc of the x division the 6 sided ring and the ultimate x matches and just smaller guys in general when wwe was the land of the giant's
It wasn't all small guys. Kurt Angle, Abyss, Rhino, Samoa Joe, etc. Most of the wrestlers who actually worked the six sided ring hated it.
People watched TNA back then because they had actual stars. Not because indy midgets were doing choreographed dance routines every match & people stapling each other as it wouldn’t help anyone win a fight
Other than ring of honor and too many belts the other stuff that turned me off to AEW was when they started trying to murder people with screwdrivers i think last year.
go to wwe disneyland nobody gives a shit about u
This discourse has been hilarious as a deathmatch fan, who goes to shows where you have to keep your hand over your drink because of glass flying into the front rows. Obviously, it's not for everyone and that's fine, and the boundaries are different for TV promotions vs indies. But I've been loving the cries that wrestling has gone too far when, for decades now, there's already been way nastier stuff than anything which happened at All Out.
Exactly 💯, but as you know WC just has to keep the tribalism alive and well
Gotta get those clicks after all 🙄
I think the point is the number 2 promotion with their top stars shouldn't have to stoop low to indie backyard wrestling gimmicks. Especially if they want to be taken seriously
@@Micisme86 I agree to an extent, the problem is that fans didn't seem to have an issue with Foley being thrown off the cell, or the Big Boss Man being hung by the Undertaker. For the most part it was overlooked, even though it was just as 'indy backyard' as anything AEW has done. Like I said in another post: whenever WWE does something it's deemed cool or awesome (and mildly criticized, if that, by some folks), but whenever AEW does something similar, or to one extreme or another it's labeled as desperate, stupid and roundly condemned. It's a clear double standard
Yeah and there's a reason there's only 10-20 people at those shows....
@afp445 there was a narrative behind those drops with mick. There was a narrative with bossman being hung. But stapling each other's chest and putting needles through cheeks is just cheap shock, and is honestly below 2 former world champions of your promotion
Two weeks ago, a friend wanted to see what this wrestling thing was about. Now, my favourite promotion is AEW, but I thought I'd start with WWE. She hated it. I showed her some AEW, and she thought it was better, but hard to watch. CMLL she was not a huge fan of, NJPW she found boring.
In the end, TNA was the promotion that got her into wrestling enough to watch some with me. Enough of everything, and she felt the women were portrayed best. So, what promotion for a newbie? TNA.
I stopped watching after the first question had been answered, because I find the attitude of both of these... guys absolutely abysmal. It's fine, whether you like or dislike violence, but the condescending way in which this question was answered just shows their lack of respect for their viewers, as soon as they dare to even question something.
These two should be ashamed of themselves for belittling people that don't like to see so much violence. I guess that shows (not for the first time), that they're just some fanboys who're unable to answer controversial questions in a professional manner.
My favorite part of NXT- Jaida Parker!
I have a question: when will Murray crawl back into the hole he came from?
so wrestlers in the past using a chloroform rag was just fine, but if someone uses a needle nowadays its not?
How long are you going to cry about that match?? GO WATCH ECW, A REAL HARDCORE WRESTLING COMPANY. Cry more hahahahahahaha
Petitioning to have youtube community included in the Q&A's
I don't see how plastic bags and needles will help AEW. Fox let the WWE go because corporations will not pay a lot of money to advertise on wrestling. The NWA lost a potential TV deal because of a drug reference on a pay per view. Advertising pays bills. Crazy stunts scare away corporations that pay for advertising.
I agree with Andy NO kids
Exactly! People should STOP HAVING KIDS!
Gen Z all offended. People need to grow up.
This is what makes AEW so much better than WWE ... WWE is the Disney Channel of wrestling and that's okay
And no Samoan fetish 😂
Those funny spots with Swerve and Hangman are the sort of the things that drive away the advertiser's and sponsors. Apparently the audience as well 😂
no they did not
If wrestling companies gotta do an angle where someone gets stuck with a syringe. Then yes, wrestling has gone too far. This isn't the Attitude Era or the Ruthless Aggression Era. Things have changed. It's not about being "soft." It's about being smart, given how children are really watching these products. AEW keeps coming off as desperate because their ratings and attendance are low. At what point do wrestling companies have to realize that you don't need to put a plastic bag over someone's head or use a syringe just to tell a story? We need more old school storytelling. I mean, if this was WWE, I would say the same thing.
Nah, you’re SAWFT pal 😂
@@Sabbathbloodysabbath666😂😂😂
Jon Moxley has become unbearable. Dude just goes around looking crazy and talking about a whole bunch of nothing. Does he ever know how to reinvent himself?
Well, he did quote a 20 year old movie the other night. Don't know if that counts
he reinvented himself completely when jumping to aew 💀
The needle spot is kinda fucked up ngl that was abit far. Even tho it's not a pg sport you have to know kids watch that and anything to do with stabbing or a needle is just a no go. What's next a full on pistol? I know wwe did that in the past but they've moved beyond that.
On the topic of catering to everyone, some scientists made a survey of what people liked in music and put it all together. It’s a fine song, but there’s no way it’ll be someone’s favorite.
It’s called The Most Wanted Song if you wanna check it out
Take these questions and have the Dadleys answer them in a video podcast
Breaking bolt culture news!!!! Matt Lewis still butthurt over joking comment!!!
Why is there a question mark next to the title ?
I'm not a fan of violent wrestling in general, but I can tolerate it. I don't know why, but the only thing that really bothered me was the syringe spot. It just makes me so uncomfortable
🏳️🌈 here u dropped this
@@mattmk476 I'm sorry that I enjoy ACTUAL wrestling more than I enjoy cheap shock. The unprotected chair shot afterwards in particular is gross dude. We know the side effect of those things nowadays
@@OmenOfMiasma31 if u don’t like it don’t watch it don’t spoil it for us
@@mattmk476 uh yeah obviously I'm not going to watch anymore 😭 but I already have seen it and I'm allowed to have an opinion on it lmao. It's not my fault that you haven't seen it And I genuinely don't care about spoiling it
Aew has been going downhill since cm punk left. All this shock factor to " be different " isn't going to bring new viewers to that trashy show.
Nice Orange Goblin shoutout, Andy!
Side note AEW in just five years has the best PPV in pro wrestling
The "if you don't like it, don't watch it" argument doesn't really work 🤔 how am I supposed to know whether I like a match or not if I don't watch it? 😂
And how am I supposed to know in advance whats going to happen on a live show? 😂
AEW is like deadpool, WWE is like the little mermaid.
Sometimes I think there’s limits but are likes to break those and not that’s how they feel they need to get fans then let them, they’re still the c show behind WWE and njpw
"When they tried to be more like wwe that's when thenratings and attendance dropped "
It's gotten worse continually since changing "back" so that's a piss weak argument
AEW sometimes feels like they think slapping hardcore onto something makes it great. Use it properly, not as a crutch.
Wouldn't say it was to violent but not really wrestling was it?
Got my question in, good for me
The problem I have with AEW is not it's wrestling (which is very good), it's them trying to hide their flaws using Violence as a distraction.
Why can't I find the link to your merch store? Am I blind?
I watch whatever is good across the whole table and both AEW and WWE. I also believe that competition is a good thing. They didn't go to far but this should be...and stay...an exception. Other than this spot i love me some "rougher" matches between the more "on point" stuff.
I just don’t see how you’re going to bring in NEW fans with what AEW is doing. Seriously. Every month fewer and fewer people are either watching it on TV or going to see it live. And, it’s because it’s boring. So, insanely boring!
They don’t promote or push people with charisma. It’s the same boring flipy-do botch fest with the most interchangeable people. Matches aren’t exciting or interesting because you know who’s going to win - always. Nobody has a proper finisher. Jobbers can have a 20-minute match with the champ. The most ridiculous and pathetic hard core stuff is done to cater to the smallest segment of fans, etc etc.
AEW has the attitude, “If you don’t like it, don’t watch.” And… people aren’t. Every month the numbers are lower for people watching on tv and watching it live. That’s NOT the sign of something that people want. It’s the sign of something for a very small segment of an already small demographic.
I’m sure if you did the research, you’d find a certain percentage of the human population prefers to have sex in port-a-potty’s. This doesn’t mean it’s the sexiest and best way to get someone in the mood.
Thank God Murray has decided to not have Children... him and Sidgwick have caused me to turn away from what culture and Brits.
It’s not the violence it’s the fact that they do it every week all the time.
I don’t like aew, the product feels hollow and cheap. Shock value doesn’t put butts in seats. I think it’s a fine watch once in a while, but week to week no me gusta. Go off though it you like it, more power to ya
Lmao January 6th lives rent free in Murray’s head 😂he’s such a cun+
PC dweeb of the highest order
I wouldnt want the violence to be so prevalent that it becomes the whole identity of the company like ecw, but otherwise its ok with me.
It's tame and only massive muschies can't handle a bit of blood and weapons. deathmatch wrestling is better than aew and wwe. This is kids stuff really
It’s just too cartoonish it’s stupid and it’s so unbelievable
No. Next question
Yes it has
My biggest issue with AEW is them calling themselves a wrestling promotion instead of sports entertainment promotion. No real fighting or wrestling involves syringes and bags over people's heads. Call yourself sports entertainment or wrestling entertainment, but don't call your product wrestling.
I'm reminded of Cornette's story about the TV producer who showed him a video of a wrestler openly cutting someone's head open and stating that this was why he'd never have wrestling on his network ever again. It's not just about AEW trying to be edgy, it's about what that kind of stuff makes networks and advertisers think about the entire industry.
aew = Temu ECW
I forgot you have to tell kids wrestling is a work and showed mine the OG hell in a cell. They were horrified that no one was being arrested. It was awesome… well to me. They won’t watch anymore😂😂
How old were they at that point?
What is that thumbnail????????
AEW does what WWE isn't allowed to do. Quit being snow flakes.
💯🎯
Well wait for a lawsuit
WWE HAS ALL THE LAWSUITS
really really well if you ain't your type of wrestling or if it ruined watching wrestling than don't watch aew lol ahhahaha ahahhah if you don't like polka don't listen too polka lol ahhahahha hell yea aew is jus ecw n wcw if they actually worked together instead of wwe n ecw that's all it is if wcw n ecw was working together back in the day that what aew is
God that thumbnail is actually revolting. I’m surprised it isn’t censored.
Y’all act like he stabbed him in the eyeball
@@octaviuscurry3818 Ikr? People are so p!ssified nowadays
@@afp445 including you for censoring the word pussified 😂
@@octaviuscurry3818 Tell me how that helped Page win the match. It’s just a shock spot for the sake of it
Wrestling violence vs real life sexual assaults?
I know which I'd rather my money go to.
Didn’t know real life sexual assaults are on TV
@randomguy8893 The product that funds them is. You help that product, you help those doing the assaulting. So keep watching WWE. Make it's possible.
And your lying, watch the attitude era.
@@user-su8tp2me7i Welp that was some funny mental gymnastics you pulled there. Btw watching Jericho every week is fine to you
@randomguy8893 Not gymnastics, truths. Sorry it's hard to swallow.
Jericho? Are you making assumptions?
Wow next you will be saying she asked for it. Keep making excuses. Assault is assault.
@@user-su8tp2me7i Is the guy you are talking about even with the company anymore? Ah yes I totally assumed the Jericho non disclosure thing. Keep justifying supporting a bingo hall company that is going down with bs reasoning
The irony is that AEW is mostly for gay people while masquerading as a "straight man's show".
How is that ironic? also, wrestling is SUPER gay, that's one of the best things about it.
@@scotthardie5141 it's ironic because AEW was never honest about who their target audience was but instead paraded around the fact that it would be the ''new WWE" with better characters and stories and NO wrestling as a whole was NOT gay. It was once a formula that celebrated many aspects of culture until ''wokeness'' ruined it and limited it.
They're pretty open with their gay characters, so I dont see how they are "masquerading" about anything. And I dont see the "wokeness" interfering with the show too much, at least these days, maybe a few years ago I would have agreed with you, but not recently. If you want to talk about wrestling representing all aspects of culture, then my opinion would be that aew seems like they're trying harder to offer something for everyone. A couple gay characters does not make for them gearing their show towards a mostly gay audience.
I tried the needle spot on my little brother
Vertabreaker on a brick didnt end his career? Nah, dogshit match
Bag angle is old as the hills
You guys are old enough to have seen ECW, the Attitude & Ruthless Agression eras so no it isn’t. Hypocrites
No they haven't. AEW is TV 14 and the alternative for a reason. If you don't like it simply don't watch. But I feel like wrestling fans and society today in general have become very soft. Everyone wants the attitude era, people were going crazy when the Rock beat up Cody and like "oh we're back it's the attitude error again#. Then AEW does All Out and people complain 🤦🏻
Gen z are soft af 😂
Precisely 💯🎯
The rule in the IWC is: if WWE does it it's cool and awesome, but when AEW does it it's desperate and stupid 🙄
@@afp445 this!
WWE is doing PG they focus thier product on kids. So u can sit down with kids and watch it. AEW i think is TV-14 so. They don't focus on kids they focus on the people with credit cards .
Is it even possible to be worst then Roman Reigns... Reins can talk he can't be the lead in a match he is the absolute worse WWE champion ever as far as being shoved down our throats for 5 freaking years
2nd
AEW is a wrestling rebellion organization. It’s crude, it’s bloody, and it’s violent. Some of wrestling’s best moments are from AEW and it needs to be appreciated.