Lost Resort: Oops, They Made a Cult!
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2022
- They tried to do a self-improvement show and wound up with a new age cult.
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Hi there! Becca from Lost Resort here. Thanks for the video-- some points were spot-on-- some of the experience was straight-up bananas, and I will always have some fun stories to share at parties and gatherings! Here are some notes from my experience on the retreat/show that may be helpful:
-Alcohol: We were actually not allowed to drink alcohol for about 2/3 of the retreat, except for one night when they provided wine just at dinner, and one night when we went out to dinner and we were allowed to order alcoholic drinks. The last 1/3 of the retreat, they let us order drinks from the retreat center bar on our own dime at dinner if we wanted. I'm actually allergic to alcohol, and Meco doesn't drink, so neither of us partook.
-Food: The raw fruits and veggies were what the retreat center provides for its guests to eat, no matter who stays there, since it's a wellness center. Production actually took pity on us, and started buying us supplementary food that we had in our casitas so we weren't starving all the time. If you watch the show, you'll see Meco making a grilled cheese at one point, because production bought us cheese and bread for us to make sandwiches. Production also bought us chicken fingers, fries, and quesadillas one night to keep morale up, and it was glorious.
-Primal scream: My time during the Rage Ritual was edited down to just two sentences before I started screaming, but I actually talked for about five minutes. I was screaming about a situation that had happened to me earlier that year, not at God.
-Meco and the ice pack: Since production was supplying us extra food on a regular basis, it makes a ton of sense that Meco opened our casita freezer and thought the ice packs for my medicine cooler were ice pops that production provided. No one actually filmed her eating it, the very little footage they have of her eating and spitting it out was from a mounted camera in our casita. Each casita had 2-3 mounted cameras that filmed 24/7, and when this all went down during filming it was so quick that production didn't even see it happen. No one knew it even happened until Claudia and I went back to the casita after breakfast and saw the ripped ice pack in the sink and Meco told us what happened. Dinner was over 10 hours after she ate/spit out the antifreeze, and at dinner Vairrun (who is a trained firefighter/EMT) explained that if she was going to get sick from the antifreeze, it would have happened immediately after ingesting. So everyone was joking around about it because it had been established that she was completely fine. Meco acknowledged later that her getting sick at dinner was mostly because she was embarrassed. We probably all have had those embarrassing moments where we feel sick thinking about them!
-Session with Acqua: I wrote a Twitter thread and an Instagram post about this session when Episode 5 originally aired.
Twitter: twitter.com/BeccaEhrlich/status/1296633648465272834
Instagram: instagram.com/p/CEJoReDhETc/
-Final Thoughts: Though there were some bumps in the road and things I would have changed during the filming and the retreat, I actually got a lot out of it. I worked through my grief of not having biological children as an option anymore, and my husband and I are now "on the books" in the adoption process and waiting. :) I was even invited to write an article about my experience on Lost Resort, if you're interested in reading more: faithlead.luthersem.edu/faith-on-reality-tv/
I'm really glad you benefited from it and I hope you're doing well.
Aqua is a Predator!
If you mind me asking, did you and Meco keep in touch? I'm a little curious about what happened after the show ended.
Hi Becca, your response to Acqua was perfect. I'm glad you'll be adopting a child, which is a wonderful and noble thing to do.
We stan a queen.
(super glad to hear you went the adoption route as well!)
I cannot explain how irresponsible it is to bring an 'erotic healer' to a resort with multiple survivors. They clearly were not at all mindful of their clients triggers AT ALL. It makes sense on a show like too hot to handle because its about sex but that has no relevance here. It was indirectly triggering for me and Im just watching it I just cant believe the malpractice and lack of care
I really think they brought her in just to cause conflict and up the reality show factor... which would be more or less okay if it were just any other reality show, but not one about mental health.
I was triggered and I don't even HAVE trauma
Reality TV. The more conflict, the more views. The more views, the more people sitting through ad breaks. The more people sitting through the ads, the more these bastards get paid.
@@grouchypotatowolfpack5580 I feel like that's unnecessary cynical is that it's almost dismissive. Like yes alot of this is profit motive, but that shouldn't diminish that this is particularly abhorrent. By saying that's just reality TV it in a way makes this seem normal.
I mean, there’s no malpractice here because these people are aren’t legitimate partitioners bound by any ethical codes. They’re snake oil salesmen drumming up drama for a reality TV show.
I find sexual healers very disturbing. The patient client relationship has such a power imbalance that it feels like any kind of sexual contact can't really be healthy? It just doesn't seem like a relationship where you can properly maintain consent.
edit: also, when the guy who was named by his guardian angel is the voice of reason and the best trained out of all the therapists, you need to stop what you're doing and go home.
Oh no, sexual healers definitely shouldn't and usually don't have sexual contact with their clients, that's very weird and creepy
Yeah, with this video, he's my favorite of the "healers." He seems to actually give a damn about their patients at the very least.
Yeah no that “sexual healer” is very clearly just a sexual predator who is using new-age alternative psychotherapy practices to victimize people.
This show straight up endorsed sexual assault, as far as I’m concerned. Beyond ridiculous. She needs to be investigated
A fun update out of all this: Becca adopted a baby. The show allowed her to get to the point that she could mentally be ready to adopt. So one good thing happened at least.
Oh that’s nice I hope she’s mentally stable enough not to murder the child 😅 after this hot ass mess
wouldn't credit the show. She probably had other healing going on.
@kaelWrit Yeah but she credited the show so I would assume that at the very least it caused her to start getting ready
@@Randibunnywhy would she murder it..??? youre so weird
@@Randibunnywtf why would you even say that?! Wtf is wrong with you???
Atasiea really seemed to be the one to actually worry and care about the people they were supposed to help. Also I know the storm shacking Aqua's flight was Atasiea's doing, I have no proof but I have no doubts
Finally, someone with true faith!
His comment on the rituals was actually impressively insightful and caring
atasiea and aqua physic battling, one for the side of good, and one for the side of evil.
"I want a child but I don't want to die or chance my child dying"
"Just have another one :)"
I am speechless
clearly her relationship with God is doing something for her because i would have absolutely lost my shit at that point
@@Fopenplop Yeah honestly the way she basically said "hey I know what you're doing, and that you're a charlatan" while completely calm and not even in a directly confrontational way was really cool.
Gave real turn the other cheek vibes.
@@Fopenplop Honestly, yeah. It’s so admirable.
I wrote a long reply but accidentally scrapped it because I was so angry, I messed up.
This is one of the most appalling things I ever saw. And then this “healer” has the nerve to make herself into the victim and gets all teary!
Unbelievable!
It is a testament to Becca's strong character ,that she didn't fucking disembowel that charlatan right then and there.
As someone with a degree in classical history, them saying that 'even the ANCIENT GREEKS might have danced' like it's a shocking revelation is hilarious to me. Like wow. Oh my word. You're telling me the society with a LITERAL GOD OF PARTYING might have danced???? This is an earth-shattering concept!
Anyway. How's everyone's day?
🤣🤣😂😂 I'm dying! Bacchus could never! (Sorry if incorrect - I mix up Greek/Roman gods)
@@haleymist09 Dionysus, but same concept and eventual co-opt.
Fr 😭 not only that, but societies OLDER than ancient Greeks had dancing. Dancing often had religious significance, and is so deeply important to thousands and thousands of cultures that still exist today, as well as thousands of years ago.
It's as shocking a revelation as the fact that they actually had color and didn't live in a world of black and white. Unlike those lying documentaries about the past imply. Archeologists also conclude that the ancient Greeks may have drunk water and even slept at times. Just like we do.
What? The people who worshipped a god of grape-harvest, winemaking, orchards and fruit, vegetation, fertility, insanity, ritual madness, religious ecstasy, festivity, and theatre, liked to dance? Why I never. I thought the ancient greeks were all clones of various famous philosophers having very serious discussions in the various schools and cults at all times! The Cult of Dionysus definitely did not throw parties that would make the raunchiest frat party look like your 4 year old cousins birthday party.
Hi, I'm Native American and would like to give my two cents.
I personally love when other try to learn about my culture. Many cultures and languages are dieing and are being forgotten and learning about them is the easiest way to preserve them. HOWEVER, pretending to become Native is... weird to say the least... it just reminds me of mid 1900s Hollywood fetishism and how Natives are seen as very magical people when we're not.
Stop pretending you can just become Native if you practice hard enough.
I'm Native Hawaiian and agree completely with this sentiment. My maternal uncle (who is white) fluently speaks Hawaiian and is very interested in Hawaiian culture, but doesn't pretend he's actually Hawaiian because he knows these things that I don't (can't speak Hawaiian, barely know any folklore because *generational trauma*). Whereas a literal cult leader claimed to be the incarnation of one of our foremost goddesses (and also Jesus???) and told actual Hawaiians how "not-Hawaiian" they were for denouncing her, up until her death.
About 48:45 : my mum is a pastor as well, and in the scene where Becca is quietly listening to Aqua's BS about how disappointed Becca's dead son is that she won't do as Aqua says or whatever, I am remembering from my own experiences that religious workers of most backgrounds are _magnets_ to people with mental problems or problems with reality. It can be just a day in the life to field a strange phone call or suffer an awkward conversation from someone kind of like this.
Aqua acts like a straight up con artist when she's called out, and struggles for hours to save face after Becca has already made peace with having had another "one of those" conversations with another possible grifter trying to use her grief against her; and she is moving on w her day like someone who has been here before.
I have only seen this video about this show, and I still kind of wish the plane Aqua had 'bathed in golden light' on its way wherever she was going had f-ing crashed -- especially if she'd subsequently lived after the crash and had to come to terms with the fact that the forces of nature and the facts of physics are utterly unconcerned by any color of light that you may be projecting with your brain anywhere.
Like, good luck w what appears to be your entire BS career on a bad skin day, you straight up loon!
But she's part Swiss, part Norwegian! So basically from South America...
it does seem to be depressingly rare for non indigenous people to take an interest in an indigenous culture without their ego being in the driver’s seat
Yep. I’m half Guaraní and I’m totally ok with people who are interested in practicing religions that my people are associated with, but appropriating it and saying you had the same struggles is wrong. European people have been oppressed yes, but they are fully capable of anything now. They often do not suffer discrimination and ethnic cleansing as still many BIPOC do. Appropriating their culture and religion as some cool hippie costume is so harmful
That note about the participants paradoxically trusting Chrissy despite the horror she subjected them to. It's not paradoxical, it is called Trauma Bonding, a thing abusers use to keep their victims around, to keep them from leaving. On another note, the participants seem a lot more put together and stable than all the "therapists" put together....
its probably because the participants know they have mental illness and are actively looking for help, while the "therapists" are in complete denial and think they're peak performance.
this is legit the first time i saw someone use trauma bonding correctly on the internet
Considering she’s a right wing conspiracy theorist, it puts the undermining of the guy’s experience of homophobia not being the reason he has anger issues in an… interesting light.
I don't know which way the correlation is going, but the fact that she's a far right nerd and demonstrably a very unsympathetic person seem... linked.
This aged Bad " right wing conspiracy theorist" seems everything she said came to light...
@@DeadMouseis what’s right about dismissing homophobia?
@@byronritchie5449 1st if there is no "Straight'Uh'Phobia" No one cares about "Homophobia" and 2nd..who is afraid of homos? 3rdly outta all that stuff u picked just homo?
Nothing in that video aged well as it was a trash fire to start with
@DeadMouseis she wasn't right about anything and she never will be. just because you personally agree with her, doesn't mean she is magically correct 💀
These aren’t just people with “issues,” they are people who have had serious crimes committed against them. What they don’t need is smug people telling them their own attitudes are the problem.
that’s what society is like though ... victim blaming & siding w/ the abuser . only in certain situations where some are lucky enough to have a backstory & proof are they actually given some sort of compassion . otherwise w/ no explanation they’re getting ignored , silenced , gaslighted , blamed
That's unfortunately a really big issue in therapy in general. I always get annoyed at how CBT is offered as a first option when it can be so unhelpful for trauma and abuse related situations.
That's some negative energy bruh might catch a tomahawk w your face
@@estherstreet4582as a therapist...all I want to say...is...PREACH!!! I'm a psychodynamic therapist...and CBT drives me insane...
@@estherstreet4582 That's because CBT is, at it's core, essentially just "fake it till you make it". Think like you're well. Act like you're well. And you'll become well. But what if you're so broken, that pretending to be well never ceases to be an act? It feels like being gaslit into thinking you're not trying hard enough.
I want a reality show where it's a bunch of new age grifters trapped in a house with a group smug, old, british skeptics. It would probably be unwatchable, but also hilarious.
Omg somebody PLEASE get this into production!!
😂😂😂 I’m half British and this would be amazing
YES. I’d watch the bottom out of that!!!!!
skeptics probably seem smug because were constantly telling people so and so and such and such is a scam and after a while you just wish the government would put scammers in prison where they belong. i probably come across as a bit of an asshole, but i mean well. i just dont want to see people get hurt and ripped off
This is the show we need in 2024
Becca was a class act, holy shit. I would not blame her for losing her composure at all but she handled Aqua with so much grace.
Most pastors I’ve met are very good at this. Its a job that requires a lot of diplomacy
*UPDATE:* So now in addition to loving Meco for her just straight up saying "Yeah nah, I really just don't have anything to be angry about" during the "Rage Ceremony" BS because it's the exact way I'd probably react to bring put in that scenario, I now also REALLY love Becca for using the phrase "con artist healer" in her response to Aqua's blatant bullshit hot-reading. Like she seriously just indirectly called her out for being exactly that - a fucking con artist. Beautiful, and also exactly what I'd want to say to someone like that.
And then Acqua had the audacity to claim religious persecution for her outright abuse
If I were Becca, I would have kicked her.
@In 1955 I ras butt raped by the 15 Year Old next door neighbour I was 5 Years old. I am 73 Now and yes, it wrecked my life.
Aqua's little squint when Becca called her that was so satisfying. You can tell she was seething. She deserved worse.
@@factualrealityy It's pretty clear Acqua was only there for herself in mind. An absolutely awful "Healer".
Acqua is the female version of the guy you don't leave your friend alone with at a party ... ours was called Date Rape Steve , and I'm not saying that trying to be funny , but girl , they aren't intimidated , they are trying to send you clear messages , and you need to be okay with taking no as an answer.
Yeah I was 5 seconds away from commenting "Acqua gives me SERIOUS rapey vibes"
I completely agree with your assessment that Chrissy is an emotional vampire. This is a psychological buffet for her, and the more uncomfortable people are the more she seems to enjoy it. She needs to be investigated for endangerment at the very least. Edited to add: As someone who has Ehlers-Danlos and Mast Cell Activation Disorder, and who lost their firstborn while pregnant, Aqua is a monster and has no business giving counsel when she knows *nothing* about medical things. She's a dangerous grifter.
Ironic that she dresses just like the psychic vampires in "doctor sleep"
You're right. Atassia is the most reasonable healer there. He may be out there, but he's very sensitive to these people's pain and has a better grasp of appropriate therapist/patient behavior than the others.
And Becca is an absolute legend for calling out that hot reading con artist.
It makes me almost want to pay Atasiea for a session, even though I don't really believe in his work. He at least seems like a nice person to talk to
@@AbandonedVoid exactly, i was watching this and imagining myself in this and i’m drawn to him. i don’t necessarily believe in what he does but he genuinely seems to care about the contestants and their wellbeing. plus, i’m sure we’d have some interesting conversations lol
@@chickenpermission6969 yooo what’s up Roach Dogg Jr
I guess it's all relative, when the most reasonable person, right off the bat, let's you know that they hear voices, and think that random gusts of wind are meant specifically for them and what they're saying. Just think of how fucking narcissistic that is.
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I’m a Māori from Aotearoa New Zealand and these new age shitheads are the most overtly obnoxious part of the latest wave of colonisation in my home. I grew up and unfortunately continue to live on the periphery of this kind of cultish new age stuff. It’s great to see it being critiqued as the garbage it is. Love your work g keep it up.
Also from Aotearoa and I could think of half a dozen of these shitheads that orbit my friend group and they sadly seem to be multiplying.
@@kaleshabastion2332 lol hi Kalesha, I imagine we'd be thinking of some of the same people
@@nnnnnicole lol the places you come across real life friends 😂. I bet we totally are!
It's also disrespectful to POC/first nations especially because it implies we are still primitive people who live like our literal ancestors.
It also further exoticizes, fetishizes and puts us in the place of "other" as if we don't belong in modern or western culture at all.
@@kaleshabastion2332 Ha Zeottu here, sitting in the u.k ans stumbled across this video today and your comment, funny.
Honestly the whole antifreeze thing makes sense to me. Like it has been pointed out many times that they’re constantly hungry and drunk. Rational thought doesn’t really occur in those conditions.
Meco’s experience on the show is a microcosm of what black women have to deal with in the medical system. No one seems to know what to do with us and just hand wave us away or tell us to just get over it.
jesus christ this stuff is actual abuse. like just aqua alone is an entire sexual predator using her status as a "sexual healer" to manipulate people into having sex with her. and it was weird on a whole other level watching the her and ben go back and forth on this manipulation while using spiritual platitudes.
i understand how people get wrapped up in this stuff, they emotionally manipulate you but then use all these spiritual buzzwords to trick you into thinking they are actually doing something. like forcing them to be in vulnerable positions and trust these people as spiritual healers and authorities is just forcing someone who has no idea what's going on to trauma bond with someone who is using that bond for monetary gain. no wonder these people really respected and confided in chrissy, she established herself as the authority and made them trauma bonded to her.
Right?! Like there are a lot of cult documentaries I've seen that talk about leaders abusing their followers. If you've seen Holy Hell (highly recommend, I even later bought the DVD for the bonus content), there is footage throughout of this group that seems so loving and free and a bit odd but ..... and then halfway through they (spoilers) drop the bombshell that the leader was sexually abusing the men and manipulating them into saying it was therapeutic, it was really bad. This stuff is absolutely manipulative and abusive. Emotionally abusive, spiritually abusive, etc. it affects so many facets of a person, really tragic. I'm glad its being noticed for what it is. This lady using her power over him as "spiritual authority" to try to coerce him into sex, and twisting it around every time he declines.
For real she’s basically their new abuser
It appears the premise of the show is taking traumatized people and putting them under the thumb of abusive people just for funzies.
"Here's an idea for a tv show...what if we took a bunch of abused people struggling with their trauma, and invite them to a remote retreat under the guise of therapy and treatment, but we actually just introduce them to multiple people who will actively abuse them and put them through more trauma."
TBS: sign me up fam.
She's supposed to be the "spiritual leader" of the thing, but she's actually an abusive energy vampire.
Everyone acting like Meeco is being dramatic because she's sick from drinking fucking antifreeze is just blatant, obvious misogynoir.
ok i haven't watched the full video yet, but they WHAT? they made her drink literal, actual poison and acted like she was dramatic for getting sick from it? good lord, this is gonna be a lot
ok they didn't make her drink it but god that's really fucked up to joke about when she's clearly sick. like.. maybe at least do that a few days or weeks after that? you know, when she's not poisoned?
While it is kind of insane that she 1. Thought that Becca kept popsicles in her medicine chest and 2. Treated herself to one of the medicine chest popsicles without permission Meco absolutely should have been taken seriously the INSTANT she said she accidentally ate antifreeze
@@beetlequeen1732 I can only assume that the fact they are being underfed had something to do with it? Actually kinda surprised the video didn't loop back around or connect to that, I was waiting for him to point it out since he highlighted how hungry they all are at the beginning. I think the idea of someone eating a "Japanese popsicle" they found in a freezer chest makes a lot more sense when you consider they probably have been extremely hungry for, at minimum, days. I'd probably be searching for anything high-calorie, sugary, or fatty to eat at that point too; that shit hits when you're starving.
@@hozie6795 Yeah I was gonna say lol
58:15 Literally telling someone with trauma and mental illness that they're a burden to everyone they love... It feels like they're supposed to kill themselves on the show. As someone who has had past suicide attempts, being told that by someone i trust would get me absolutely spiraling.
I really wanted to introduce Chrissy to my fist in that moment.
I have autism, and to think someone like me could get tricked into being sucked into a creepy cult under the premise of a mental health retreat set up as a reality tv show is honestly horrifying for me. I also suffered a near-death experience, so something like this would make me think I've died somehow and was brought to a place of punishment. Not Hell, just somewhere...and that's scarier than anything I could think up on my own.
Did someone on the show have autism? I don’t think someone with autism would be any more likely to be tricked into this than anyone else.
@@rachelcookie321depends, i am diagnosed with autism and we can be more vulnerable people in general. Not all Autistic people are easy to manipulate, but some of us are more likely to be.
If this guy is a more trusting autistic person then it makes sense that they’d mention it when feeling horrified at the idea of potentially being tricked into something like the show.
@@AnEmu404 I’m diagnosed with autism and I don’t think I’m more vulnerable. I don’t think I’m really any different than allistic people in general. I feel like there are people who are very trusting both autistic and allistic.
@@rachelcookie321 that's true, but many autistic people relate to the idea of feeling vulnerable or easily taken advantage of. i definitely see it in myself sometimes, in ways i feel wouldn't apply if i was neurotypical. everyone with autism experiences it differently
As a Nicaraguan, solidarity with my Costa Rican folks. They can't seem to stop getting the new age weirdos
Yeah, Teal Swan has a workshop there too
pura vida I guess
Seriously, Costa Rica needs to rise up and eject all of these goddamn hippies.
YES! As a fellow Latin American, not only did we have to endure the forced indoctrination of Christianity, but now also this...
@@TheDrLeviathan i’ve heard her name a lot what has she done
Wow when you said Atasiea was the most normal one, I thought you were joking. Did not expect Aqua coming in at the end trying to molest her patients or Chrissy being a white supremacist and gaslighting the black guests.
Atasiea seems like someone who at least has a good heart.
Sure, the wind and earthquake control is wacky but the fact he had enough empathy to call out some of the BS is incredibly admirable in this fucking nightmare.
(I'm also just over halfway through this so I hope he remains a beacon of hope)
@@donovaneckstrom Agreed. Atasiea's delusions of being a live-action Avatar are fine as long as he continues to stick up for the patients on that island and voice his well-founded concerns regarding Chrissy's methods of "therapy."
@@music_YT2023 Yeah I mean the majority of people have one kind of delusion or another and most of the time they can be completely conducive to being a functional person.
I'm atheist, so that is how I see some religious/spiritual practice, but I try to avoid the word delusion when explaining that view because of the negative connotations.
Right? At least the dude, weird as he was, looked at what was happening and realized it was WTF.
As an Australian who has known many new agers, nothing about Chrissy is a surprise to me. She's the norm, not the outlier.
You addressing the privilege and how they would've gone wild with the footage of the 2 Black participants was amazing. Not a lot of people address our viewpoints and the reality of why we act certain ways
Thea's husband is like the guy from The Good Place who keeps taking his shirt off and telling Eleanor he has to go to the gym every time she tries to talk to him
"i have to go think about this, IN THE GYM"
Fellow tgp fan!
as someone with trauma, it infuriates me seeing her triggering them on purpose. Flashbacks and shit aren't just bad because its horrifying in the moment, it re-traumatizes you and makes your trauma response worse, as well as possibly creating new trauma.
Plus all the ways it can be used to manipulate you.
Right?! I can feel the shut down trauma response some of them had in my body, & I can't imagine how they got through it... these 'practitioners' should be ridiculed, not platformed, for treating people so cruelly.
Fr like some of these people couldve feasibly had aggession be part of their trauma response, then what? miss maracas gets a slap for one but that shit is on film, that person gets in trouble, not to mention everyone else there. This couldve panned out so so much worse
Flashbacks absolutely suck and I wouldn’t wish them on anyone
Yeah, I have to stop watching about 25 min in for similar reasons. Going to go snuggle a kitty rather than get infuriated/ smashy.
I'm starting to think "empath" is code for "antisocial sadist" between Chrissy and Shane Dawson
Just straight up 'dark triad' shit.
That's because empaths are created the same way. They are abuse survivors who are now hyper attuned to any negativity in their area because it might pose a danger to them. Being an empath is not a gift.
@@alexrivers8163 also I think in general, whether you're an empath or not, good people don't brag about being good people.
@@internetexplorer6304 Wasn't saying I'm an empath . I was saying everyone I've ever met who claims to be an empath is really broken on the inside and they tend to take the emotions on the outside and wear them on the inside to the point they begin doing really harmful shit to themselves which leads to hurting people around them too.
@@alexrivers8163 oh no I was using the Royal you. Not you specifically a nebulous "You."
The concept of people being "physically nourished by negative emotions" never occured to me but perfectly explains why I immediately feel uncomfortable when someone calls themselves an "empath"
As an Aboriginal Australian, hearing that line about us and Irish people was.. insane. Especially as someone who is coincidentally of Irish heritage on my dad's side as well 💀💀 like that's fucking insane
I heard that line and my kneejerk reaction was "...but the Irish were actively part of the genocide and dispossession of Indigenous Australia? Like, they got roped into the colonial project. They're not 'equals'."
@@anon9469 ^^ like yeah the Irish suffered a lot at the hands of the British, but they were also an active role in the genocide of us. Like almost all the white people down my family line came from Irish people who immigrated here early on. Which is VERY common for a lot of white Australians!
Aqua is HORRIFYING as a person.
What's worse than a con artist? A delusional con artist who's genuinely bought into their own con. They don't actually listen, they dont actually care, they cant be reasoned with -- but they think they're amazing at all those things.
And predatory.
Legitimizing this kind of pseudoscientific thought is probably one of the worst things about this (and other mainstream things like this). People seem more and more unable to recognize the difference between fiction and reality, these days, and media like this only exacerbates this problem.
she’s disgustingly terrifying
If this were staged, she'd be a very entertaining character. She's cartooishly awful
What she said to Becca, I was horrified and wanted to reach through the screen and slap her out of sheer horror for what came out of her mouth.
More than anything I'm concerned that the one lady is convinced she's an empath because she sold 500 boxes of chocolate as a child and this makes her worthy of handling folks with trauma
right like is she just bragging about how she emotionally manipulated people into giving her money
🤣
@@lemonwhxre and been riding that high ever since
Deadass girl just really had to grind to get that scout badge and she thinks she was being kind for SELLING A PRODUCT
That is complete opposite of empath. An empath would be the worst sales person in the world, I swear more damage is done by people who think they are impaths when they are really manipulative narcissist
Fun fact: low protein diet and starvation is called "The cult diet" for a reason. It makes the mind more pliable.
Speaking of cults did you ever see Mad Mad House?
I love that Meco stood up and told her truth- that she wasn’t angry. This entire show is absolutely wild. I wish every participant the best.
"I'm an empath because as a girl scout I sold 500 boxes of cookies one year" girl that's nothing. I'm autistic and in middle school I regularly sold 2000+ boxes of girl scout cookies because I was great at upselling and convincing people to buy bundles of cookies (like I'd suggest other cookies with chocolate if they went for the thin mints), I placed enough posters and signs around tables I sold at to be visible to anyone entering the area from a half mile radius, and I got lucky because the tourist season in my town coincided with the cookie selling season and that gave me a huge population to sell to. You don't need empathy to sell candy or cookies door to door, you need a great sales pitch and advertising that makes you literally impossible to miss.
I'll take ten
omg you were such a good and smart seller!!
I'm autistic too and resent the implication that we don't have empathy
@@caramazzola2399 I think of empathy and being empathetic in a social sense as different things. Many people on the spectrum struggle with the social-emotional form of empathy that most neurotypical people experience, where they literally feel the emotions of other people in their proximity as if they were their own. While some autistic people don't struggle with this, many (myself included) do struggle with this form of empathy, as we don't feel the emotions of others in that same way. There is a separate phenomenon of being empathetic, where one exhibits pro-social values, tries to help others, and listens to friends and loved ones going through a hard time earnestly. This is a form of empathy that many autistic people, even those who struggle with the emotional aspect of feeling in tune with other's emotions, can exhibit as an action or trait.
@@charlierosesmith3807 I feel empathetic for things that aren't even human more than I do actual humans. I see a crumbling, dying mall and can't help but project my sorrows but a close friend tells me someone they loved died and all I can really muster out of this weak, emotional shell is a half-hearted "sorry for your loss" because, even though I've experienced such myself, it is almost impossible to feel how others are feeling in any meaningful capacity.
Ough.
as a white irish woman (its not gonna be cringe i promise) hearing her say we have the exact same history as the Aboriginees made me upset. While yes, my heritage was stolen by colonizers, we cannot pretend that we had the exact same history. there are similarities, but as someone who is on a long, sometimes painful, process of regaining my heritage, i never want it to be misguided enough to think it is the SAME as the stolen children from Australia. Heck nope. It's good to have empathy, and see that colonialism can affect anybody, be they BIPOC or caucasian, but our siblings from Australia have a struggle that was different from ours. This woman does not speak for me, an irish pagan. thanks for letting me go on my rant. I love your videos.
I'm Irish too and that also infuriated me. There are many aspects of our history that is similar to other colonised people's, Ireland was kind of a blueprint for modern colonialism, but to say that that gives us an excuse to appropriate/adopt other cultures as our own? Insane
Aboriginal Australians/Aboriginals, the other word is considered a slur. Both words distinct from “aborigine” meaning a species indigenous to the area since earliest times. 👍
@@morbidsearch wasn't that just a thing irish immigrants/diaspora brought to the US? someone sharing their own culture with outsiders to be celebrated together is a whole different thing than appropriation, lol.
@Violet aye, and we have a history of solidarity with colonised peoples, especially towards Native Americans and Palestinians; it is a betrayal of said solidarity to abuse the culture of the Native Americans or other colonised groups, and a betrayal of the history of solidarity that Native Americans and Palestinians have shown us, during the great famine, Arabs and Native Americans stood by us, sent aid to help us; for us to dare betray this solidarity, is a betrayal of the Irish Liberation Movement, and the importance this struggle held regarding its influence on anti-colonialism and socialist revolution around the world; as Lenin pointed out, the first Red Guards in Europe were in Ireland; the 1916 Revolution not only influenced European Revolutionary movements, but American, Australian, Russian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Polish, African, Arab, Jewish, Spanish, Chinese, etc Revolutionary Movements; the international inspiration of the Irish Republican Socialist Movement is undeniable
Empathy and Solidarity with colonised peoples, requires a respect of their culture; cultural appropriation is pure disrespect
Damn right! I'm Irish American in ethnicity. And I hate when "Irish" people (in America every shlub claims to be irish just because there great great great great grandfather was an Irish immigrant)dismiss peoples issues because "my people were oppressed too" like it's a totally different issue it shouldn't be compared even
I don't think of many women as 'creepy' but Aqua is a full embodiment of 'creepy'!
She just wants to take advantage, of vulnerable people. Also starving people is a cult tactic
I spent 3 months in a mental health facility (voluntarily), where around 8 of us would sit around in a circle (with a facilitator) and share and discuss our darkest troubles. There were a lot of reactions, such as rage or grief, that occurred just like on the show. Only they weren't forced. They came about organically.
The facilitator rarely spoke. They were obviously there to ensure the discourse didn't turn toxic, but because people could relate to one another, the group would actively audit itself. Ideas that were considered out of line were called out and support was always given to the person expressing their pain. (This was made easier by the fact that we were all being actively taught healthy versus toxic mental health dynamics through various daily classes).
There were a ton of what I considered to be awkward silences. Like, long silences. Silences that would last over a minute. It seemed so wrong at first. Just leaving someone hanging after sharing their grief. But the silences were important. The group wasn't just responding on autopilot, or off the cusp remarks. Certainly no platitudes. The pain would sink in. We would think. And then we'd decide whether we were really the best person to say anything. The group gave us strength, because no individual needed to have all the answers.
I won't lie. Seeing someone screaming at their imaginary mother, or inconsolably bawling over... it's uncomfortable. Really uncomfortable. But that's only because we aren't exposed to these situations. We never get to train ourselves to deal with heavy emotions. So we hide from them. It's a sad cultural trait. One that has caused and continues to cause immeasurably suffering. Hopefully we can learn to share with each other. We shouldn't have to suffer alone.
13:02 The implication that they’re starving people keeping them drunk for better ratings is so fucked up.
Especially since this show was made in 2020 and it’s been pretty standard practice for reality shows to strictly limit alcohol consumption for years now
@@WereInHell what the fuck. I trough this was a dregde from 2003. what the fuck. you mean to tell me this Aqua demon is still around unchanged??
Starvation/low food intake is a common tactic for cults as is sleep deprivation/drug use. It helps to reduce peoples inhibitions and place them under stress where they are more vunerable to manipulation. With reality TV the same methods are used to increase peoples irritability and chances of drama.
Of course given people with mental illness/trauma are more likely to use substances as self medication it is incredibly unethical to have alcohol freely avalible and encoraged.
@@rosiejl2798 Low caloric intake, sleep deprivation, constant “therapy”, sexual manipulation … these are all tactics of cults.
It’s Sex House but real
I can't believe they made the stanford prison experiment both worse and a reality show.
Nailed it.
Look I'm not through the video yet and I understand that it gets worse but I just hit Aqua's "connect with your sexuality" bit and not only was it irresponsible of the show to do that with so many SA survivors present but as an asexual person I feel like I would be actually traumatized by this event in a personal way simply by the way Aqua conducting it. No one has spoken about their sexuality openly from what I can tell and that can be extremely private and you are surrounded by strangers. My heart especially goes out to Chrissy who's there with her mother and Varrin who is dealing with her unwanted advances. I am absolutely sick about this show and it somehow gets worse.
Exactly. Yes to everything you said.
Dude as an incest and trafficking survivor I could absolutely not imagine getting through a retreat like this with my head on. Like actually completely I think this would've broken me. I hope the retreat didn't hurt the participants too badly and they got the help they needed. :(
"A romance isn't what they need right now". But generic group activities that trigger guests (including sensual intimacy between strangers who may have suffered sexual abuse) is like, you know, totally okay! 🤢
Can't afford to let them build their own support network. Gotta nurture that dependance on the malignant narcissist!
If I heard that from someone who'd convinced me they knew what they were talking about (so, the opposite of Chrissy basically), it might make some sense - maybe two people who need to work out a lot about themselves shouldn't be engaging in a romantic relationship, since it might lead to unhealthy dependancy or something (I don't know, I'm not a professional) - I just mean there could potentially be a reason why, but 1. That reason needs to be explained, especially to the people involved, and by explained I mean explaining the psychology behind it, not just "You're too distracted from your own healing", and 2. Chrissy seems to me like one of those people that *needs* to order others around and cannot handle it when people form their own path outside of her "guidance", so I'm not trusting a word from her mouth.
Also, kind of unrelated, but isn't the idea that you're constantly on camera something that might make people close up even more? I mean, you know millions will see your group therapy, so it kind of defeats the point of a safe space...plus, it can be edited in whatever way, without being run by the participants. The whole concept feels off to me, but then again, I feel the same about most reality TV.
As someone who went thru a similar thing to Becca, losing a baby and finding out trying again probably would kill me, it’s really horrifying seeing anyone talk to her like that… I had a partner who had a similar sentiment, that if we just kept trying it’d happen eventually, and it wound up putting me in the ER 3 times before I got the nerve to walk away from that situation. I’m only just starting to recover after 8 years of therapy and 5 with a partner who takes my trauma and my health seriously. It’s SO much harder to heal when people think the cure is pretending there’s just nothing wrong…
I’m so sorry for all of those experiences. Invalidation is absolutely crushing and even though we’re strangers I’m so proud of you for leaving that situation and still recognizing all that shit was wrong even after people try to convince you otherwise. It’s inspiring
I also lost my baby during cancer, HCG and lupus complications made it impossible for me to have kids. People really just cant understand unless they go through it, best they can do is sympathize.
I'm sorry for the callous selfishness of your ex. Happy for you to be in a better situation ❤
I can almost guarantee Chrissy is the type to tell women they can't have abortions.
That was the vibe she was giving me too. Being awful while pretending to be all peppy and cheery and above it all. grr
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The fact Greg didn't kill himself with that maraca is a testament to his will
I like how the therapist excluded the person with “abandonment issues” from the activity so they could get touchy-feely with another patient.
Granted it’s a weird sexual exercise, so maybe they dodged a billet, but still…
So they legitimately made a full reality TV show to torture people with C-PTSD? How did this get produced? What were the NDAs like? How did they get insurance for a show production like this with not a single actual medical professional on board?
The NDA must have been super vague amd the legal team must have more money than God 😭☝️🙃 they may have gone to costa Rica in the first place to avoid insurance/regulations that would have applied in other places under medical law perhaps 🤷♂️🤷♂️😪😅
Genuinely, who's idea was this?
one thing i want to say. i love your video essays, and also really appreciate the way you pointed out that the two black “contestants” were hesitant to do that anger exercise bc of how the producers would spin it, and also how not everyone has the same access to therapy options. a lot of people tend to sometimes tiptoe around intersectionalities like that.
The real horror is realizing this show is basically every single church camp exactly. Not even slightly joking.
yeah this struck me as one of those “Camp for Troubled Teens” that are really just work camps and a money scam who get free labor from kids who’s parents don’t listen to their kids and don’t care if they are genuinely heard or happy
Poor Becca. Aqua is genuinely evil, and it’s very disturbing to watch her hurt people like that while pretending to help them.
I had to take a pause when aqua appears. Dear fucking god ive just seen her for a minute and im already uncomfortable
I would've literally wrapped my hands around her throat, for her saying such an unacceptable & outright vile comment to me. No way. Nope. I wouldn't have been able to help myself. If "triggering" them is what Chrissy wanted, boy howdy did she succeed. Oh my god. 😭 Poor Becca, no one deserves to have such a traumatic event replayed & have blame placed on her for it when it was completely out of her control. 😭 Ahhhhhhhhhh
They are all evil. Every single “healer” there is a scam artist.
I was really proud of Becca nicely telling her off. As a Christian, she probably recognized how the "you'll succeed as long as you have enough faith" lingo is prosperity gospel stuff to avoid. From a secular perspective, it's a very common cult tactic too.
I just got to that part...she, truly, is genuinely Evil.
Person A: Can't connect emotionally. As soon as he connects with someone, they abuse their power to try and pry him away.
Person B: Abandonment issues. When in a rough spot, everyone makes fun of her and leaves her to puke her heart out.
Person C: Crisis of faith. Show her people with extremely performative beliefs that use them to con people in need.
Sensing a pattern there...
Do forget person B is the only one left out of a 'healing session' while the 'healer' connects with the one person she feels closest to
“I’m so empathic that I managed to guilt trip 500 people in my neighborhood into buying stuff from me”
True empath🙏🏼
A random note on the therapists talking with each other about their patients, based on talking with a friend who works with a team of other therapists: Teams have regular discussions about their patients, both to get others' insight and to keep everybody up to date on patients they share. Since the "healers" on this show shared all the patients, it makes sense that they'd have a daily meeting to touch base. The only weird part about it was a) the cameras and b) THEY'RE NOT REAL THERAPISTS AAAAAAUGH this show is the worst.
Therapists also gossip. Oh, do they gossip. It's not awesome, but it's legal as long as they don't give enough information to identify the person, and as long as the person they're gossiping to doesn't know the patient. It's a way to vent, to get other perspectives on their patients, and to, well, gossip. IDK whether they gossip with other therapists, but as the good friend of a therapist, let me tell you, they gossip.
I'm okay with this as someone that has been in and out of therapy throughout my life. Every job has its frustrating times and I think venting/commiserating with others about it is healthy and ultimately harmless. I tell my friends stories about entertaining, upsetting, or baffling people I've encountered at work. Don't get into detail about the actual ppl beyond "oh so this one guy today..." its more about sharing a story to release pent up stress than singling out a person. With this in mind, if my therapist wanted to rag on me to a friend if it helps bring him some peace, go for it
ugh thats another reason why i dont want to commit to therapy. i can't handle the thought of my therapist airing out my dirty laundry to their friends.
They’re not actually therapists so they’re not held to any standards that actual therapists are
@@sunnylia6not a psychologist yet but a recently graduated psychologist student who’s done clinical psychology. most psychologist, at least the ones I know, talk about or mention there pacientes, it’s usually with fondness and care. Whenever I’ve mention my pacientes in a conversation with friends, I always preserve their personal privacy, and say how that subject reminded me of them or something that was discussed in therapy.
the antifreeze thing is filling me with rage because even if we simplify all of Meeco’s complex trauma into “abandonment issues” then a very simple way to show her she has a supportive environment would be to…idk…show immediate concern and support for her well-being? Like, if she has an anxiety about being left neglected then a very easy way to exacerbate that anxiety would be to mock her and neglect her physical health when an accident occurs.
That is such a good point. All this show did was re-traumatise people
I don’t understand how the antifreeze was even readily available. It looked like icecream and these people are kept hungry all the time as it is.
She just found it in the freezer?
@@Nocturnalux Apparently it was in a medicine box that she wasn't supposed to go through (she mistook it for a different cooler with food) and it was an ice pack containing antifreeze.
I was thinking about that! I can’t ignore is the fact that they were starved and drunk. This is some NIXIUM shit
Also being called an idiot by everyone around you while you’re sick to your stomach can’t be a great experience
the woman at 3:01 using "i sold 200 candy bars when i was 12yrs old" as evidence she is an empath
thats a whole suitcase of stuff to unpack.
200 bars is nothing, she sold 500 boxes. that's the real sign of an empath
/s
Yeah, I was like sitting there:
"Did she just say that she is really good at manipulating people to enrich herself?"
@@michimatsch5862 even better, it’s almost certain she was enriching someone else for a school fundraiser where the school gets 5-10% of sales
@@Pantsinabucket Probably the "America's Finest Chocolate" people; if you did time in a private school, you sold these candy bars every other year or so.
I’ve met staff like chrissy in psychiatric hospital and trust me, you don’t want to know what people like that do when they have the power to get away with it.
Damn they made Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss the series
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"It's sold as a sort of self-improvement show in the same vein as Queer Eye, but from a New Age spirituality angle"
Third Eye For The Unenlightened Guy
I do not know how Becca didn't reach over and smack Acqua in her smug, evil face after that exchange. She did such a good job, and honestly I'm so proud of her.
I think how she handled it was the superior smack. I love blindsiding people with manners and intellect. They just don't know how to respond - or respond with violence of some sort whether verbal or otherwise which has them still being the worst. (unless they were to shoot, or knife me, I guess, and I suppose I should consider that , these days)
I guess it's arrogant, but I am very tired of all of the verbal and physical rage.
Straight the fuck up Becca is a amazing for not just destroying her right there. That predator would have had it coming.
I have all the respect in the world for Becca. Saying something that monstrous that close to her fACE. I really think I would have clawed her eyes out.
As a child of someone with preclamsia (misspelled) the idea of pressuring someone to have more kids when it's life threatening makes me sick. All three of us were more than 2 months premature and my mother nearly died each time.
I was hooked up to a breathing device because I was born before my lungs had fully developed. My parents made the right choice in refraining from more kids.
That is sick and disgusting.
Also my family is Christian and geez. I'd say how politely she reacted embodies a good Christian better than most people claiming to be righteous do.
It seems like the only healer with a head on in most of this damn show was Atasiea. I give them props for making sure he voices concern for the people under their care
His approach is still a bit weird but he also seems like a kind and actually empathetic person who not only wants to help but has some clue about how to approach this. At least he is on the right path instead of traumatizing people more and make it worse.
The rage circle thing really made me feel weird how they reacted to Meeco not wanting to participate, she just either doesn't process her emotions through anger like some people do or she just doesn't want to do that in front of other people and they are trying to force her to conform to their idea of what healing is. They dont care what would be productive or comfortable for her they just want to feel like they did something without actually doing the work of being helpful
That definitely speaks to this being a cult. Conformity and unquestioning obedience is the most important thing.
I am sure, there was a cult that did that, I'm thinking Syanoc or something
They do this at abusive “teen rehab” centers.
im one of those people who doesnt process emotions through anger. i genuinely havent been angry since,,, well i cant remember a time ive been angry. everyone seems to think that means theres something wrong with me, but like this is just how i process things.
And releasing your anger like that is unhealthy from I remember. You end up relying on outbursts, which can come out in inappropriate times, or end up being more damaging to repress.
The rampant abuse and gaslighting in this show is just horrifying. Watching Acqua use therapy language and new age buzzwords to try to manipulate men into sex, in particular, was personally triggering for me. But I guess it was interesting to see how the bullshit was stratified into different layers of harmfulness. Like, Atasiea may think he can frown an earthquake into existence, but he seemed genuinely uncomfortable with the worse tendencies of the other folks. I'm much less concerned about his new age breeze magic than the actual abuse, except for how his new age breeze magic is part of the structure in which the abuse takes place. Anyway, great video & looking forward to part two.
Perfectly said
I kind of think that the nature of spiritual/supernatural beliefs inevitably leads to unjust power differentials. anyone who can convince others they are an expert in the supernatural becomes an expert, and there is no authority that can challenge them in that arena.
even reality can't assert its own influence on that kind of authority. a phony engineer might convince people they're bona fide... until the bridge they built falls down within a week. but "healers", psychics, and magicians of all stripes deal purely in deception, such that anyone who accepts their authority becomes dependent on them to the point of letting them define their own reality.
@@skootties I think you could be right about that. And I think there's self-deception involved, and that some self-described spiritual authorities genuinely believe in their authority.
But I also think there's some uncomfortable overlap between that kind of faith in spiritual authority and the way I personally trust scientific evidence. Like, a lot of modern science is a lot less tangible than the bridge in your hypothetical. As a layman, I trust that the quantum mechanical model makes sense, but less because I can drive a car across a quantum bridge and more because I trust the scientific institutions and the scientific process. So I think I rely on trust to construct my sense of reality, too.
Not putting forth an argument here, just chewing this over in my brain.
@@WTFPr0m that's absolutely a good point. no one can be an expert in everything, so we're always having to put our trust in someone else's expertise in the end. a gap in scientific understanding can definitely be exploited by charlatans just as well as a gap in purported understanding of the supernatural. it's just that people who care about science *tend to* be critical thinkers who are better equipped to suss out bullshit. but yes, "scientism" is an issue.
I don't see an easy solution to this, because criticism of any authority is always necessary to prevent injustice. there will never exist some kind of "science machine" that you can trust completely to output the truth, barring some revolutionary AI that solves all of humanity's problems forever.
even if we lack the expertise to directly criticize scientific conclusions, we can be critical of the institutions that have the authority to determine scientific consensus. for example, it's not out of the reach of any inquisitive person with an internet connection to notice a significant imbalance in gender representation in STEM fields.
Abusive Therapy has been a thing ever since Therapy has been a thing
Gotta say, nothing irritates me faster than seeing people brag about being empaths as if it's some sign of their moral superiority. You're not born a better person than anyone else just because you have empathy-being a good person takes work and stems from the choices you make, not from some random trait you are or aren't born with.
"What if we took the concept of Nine Perfect Strangers and made a reality show....but then nobody gets any actual therapy because all the healers are raging narcissists?"
The one where Aqua is basically telling Becca to go ahead and try to have another baby is absolutely disgusting. Not only does she not listen to a single one of her concerns, it's like Aqua can't fathom a situation where sex might not be the answer. The main 'instructor' is just as gross with her "never question me" attitude. This is all too much man 😭 props to you and your people for enduring and combing through this for our edutainment.
Well and not only is this gross in the “I solve all things with sex so the answer is sex,” Becca’s issues weren’t that she wasn’t emotionally able to get pregnant again. They were legitimate medical concerns about dying, killing a very much wanted baby, or forcing a child to live with a debilitating disabilities or have one that cuts their life short. Those two things are not the same and her “faith” in this new age nonsense wouldn’t change the medical truth of infertility. Aqua is trash.
I don't want to seem like I'm chomping at the bit to consume other people's trauma, but it's fucking WILD to me that they censored whatever happened to Robin, but kept in all of the shit about incestuous child molestation and children being strangled to death etc etc. Like it seems purposefully crafted to make people feel nosy af about Robin's situation to just have everyone parade their fucking HORRIFIC personal stories, but then say "whoops not this one though, it's TOO horrific! Y'know all the horrific stuff you just heard? Yeah, it's even worse than that! Which is why we cut it. But specifically told you we cut it, instead of just cutting out the entire letter reading portion entirely." It's clearly set up to make you WANT to consume these people's stories for the shock value.
Trauma porn.
I also think, of course i would likely need the show for full context as to how the show both Robin and her daughters relationship/her talking about childhood issues as I don’t think this video explained it well, by censoring it they are trying to create mystery. They are trying to pin sides as to this mother daughter relationship because we don’t know know Robin’s story. We don’t know what happened and while we know it’s horrific we can’t use that as an understand to why she is the way she is or how’s it’s played a role into causing such extreme anguish with her daughter. I do think Christine was not shown or treated fairly based on a lot of these clips shown- I don’t she’s absolved from faults but she clearly is still fairly young who has experienced very clear generational trauma, having to deal with learning about her mothers abuse, confronting aspects of her own abuse [likely why she doesn’t trust her mom and wanted to tell Thea about the issue], and then being treated fairly poorly by what seems like a bunch of other people around her for being young and processing heavy emotions. By withholding Robin’s letter and only painting it as too horrific to give many details about it evens aspects of the playing field to not completely see Robin as a harmful figure to her daughter in this “pick a side” type battle reality shows often want to have. I can feel bad for what Robin experienced regardless, but I feel even worse for what I think censoring it does for the tension of pinning issues on her in such an emotional fragile state.
Edit; had to fix a few names that I misspelled but my point still stands
When you said "he's the most reasonable healer" after he described seeing angels and supposedly causing Earthquakes I was just shooketh. These people have absolutely gone insane and lost touch with reality - at least on some level
I used to be very active in New Age healing scene but what I noticed (And eventually put me off) was the push to experience 'healing' often lead to reliving trauma but there was no duty of care/follow up concern on how reliving those experiences could impact a person. It was like doing these rituals our practices could help put you in touch with hurt or memories but after the initial engaging with past hurts was achieved then that was it, You're on your own. It was like opening a Pandora box with no support or direction on how to close that box again once all the shot came out. I now consider those types of practices spiritually dangerous or potentially dangerous for people with mental health issues. Am seeing much of the same in this show.
Nothing angers me more than "terapists" that know someone is suffering a recent loss and throw the blame at the person in grief. Aqua putting blame on Becca for losing her baby is just so evil and horrible to see.
If these new-age grifters can convince people that they are responsible for their own trauma, then they can convince them that when things work it was because of 'the method'. And when it doesn't work it's their own fault.
Just further evidence that not all abusers use physical violence. Some come at you with “peace and love” while you’re at your most vulnerable, then go to work breaking you down and building themselves up in your mind.
Becca was grieving.
Ben's like the king of himbos lmao he's literally like there's more to life than being ridiculously good looking and by god I'll find out what that is some day.
underrated backstory
At least, he's doing something.
@@melanieg.9092 BRB rolling up a himbo sorcerer lmao
@@tgcid2018 are we doing the wild magic sorcerer? because being hot is a matter of luck?
58:51 Did you never consider the STARVING THEM on a RAW DIET contributed to her desperately eating what she thought was a popsicle?
‘There’s only one way to have faith, is by testing it :)’ that’s literally the *exact opposite* of how faith works
Nitpick but that dude wasn't playing a "steel drum" its an instrument called a Handpan. Also the "steel drum" isn't actually called that. It's called the steelpan. It's the national instrument of Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 and is an instrument that was used to fight back against British colonialism. It's pretty interesting if you're into anti-colonial actions.
that's really cool, thanks for sharing! I probably never would have learned otherwise.
Yes, there are some pretty talented hand pan artists out there, that are just musicians and not into the whole spirituality angle.
@@thag_simmons there's an excellent documentary called Hammer on Steel. I had the good fortune to know many of the people interviewed when I was growing up. I remember Cliff had anti British flyers he saved on his office door.
Interesting how so many dudes have co-opted it in new age spheres for their own personal performance :/
I saw Evelyn Glennie play the handpan and it could be described as a spiritual experience, just not in the way the guy in the show would mean
So I just got to the part where Aqua was introduced, and wow, you were right, the dude who thinks he has an Angelic name is really the most reasonable healer there isn’t he?
My thoughts exactly!
Side note, every reality show has to have the reasonable Black guy who gets treated like he's crazy by a collection of the least reasonable white people that the showrunners can find.
@@AmpluexCompressa I mean... yeah I can see that and I get where you are going, but Mr. Angel Name is also a self professed "ecstatic dance and reiki expert." He is selling his own brand of bullshit lets not go to far in the other direction and excuse that. He may have a more tightly honed bullshit detector and seems to legitimately care more then most there, but thats not that hard when you're working for a Qanon hippy and her friends...
@@galactor123 I probably should have said "relatively reasonable" because yeah the reiki shit and the whole "I got my name from an angel" is uhhhhhhhhhh yeah it's a bit much.
But it's a hell of a lot better than telling people with sexual trauma that they need to rub their junk in front of you.
@@AmpluexCompressa Oh 1000% yes. No I got what you were saying. He at least seems to have some grasp on the idea that triggering people (in the classical sense of the word) just because isn't therapy it's just stupidity. Combine that with him seeing through the "sex healers" bullshit, especially when she herself just starts openly using her own sexuality as a targeted weapon against someone who has -repeatedly- rejected her... like yeah, he seems to have a tighter head on his shoulders.
Which should say a LOT for the others as once again, Mr. Angel Name Reiki expert is the SANE one good lord.
Atasiea seems like the best healer. He actually cares about his patients. Also why would the heck would they bring on Aqua as a healer?! That was the worse move they could have.
DRAMA!
This is reality tv!
It’s crazy that the dude who changed his name because he heard angles and takes a gust of wind as conformation that he is right is the voice of fucking reason
I guess working on a balmy tropical island is ideal for someone who thinks that way.
So Chrissy’s position on the trauma drum session was “I felt really good about it, so it was good”? Like, Atasiea’s point wasn’t whether they (the “healers”) felt good. It was that it was bad for the cult members…I mean…patients.
Ironically the definitive opposite of an empath.
@@samaraisnt Honestly I think it demonstrates that "empathy" like that an empath supposedly vividly experiences isn't really a good or bad thing in and of itself, what matters is what you do with empathy. On the one side is what we typically associate with it: kindness and thoughtfulness, understanding someone's situation well enough that you can connect to and support them on an emotional level. On the other side is sadism, using your insight into someone's emotional state to twist the knife and revel in the resulting suffering. I think Chrissy is a textbook sadist, it's a trait really common in cult leaders.
Why would she eat that anti-freeze? Because she was hungry and suspected that the leaders had food that they didn't give the contestants(they are). And because she has been forced to be in a situation without warning where she receives hardly any food... she is really really hungry and a little bit angry about it. Go figure...
Anti freeze is really sweet so she probably didn't realise it wasn't food until she was in literally poisoned
Honestly it looked like a icy pole to me too!
I have no familiarity with anti freeze beyond knowing it exists (I live in a hot country). I presumed it would be in a similar package as car oil and not in tiny sachets.
According to folks down thread anti freeze tastes sweet?
So she's in a restricted calorie environment, under a great deal of stress and scrutiny, possibly drunk and finds something that looks and tastes like an icy pole?
Doesn't seem that shocking to eat it and i can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing if I was in her place.
However anyone watching that knew what was going down yet didn't stop filming and warn her it is a monster. Likewise that she was not taken to hospital as soon as anyone was aware that she had consumed the antifreeze.
It's disgusting that her life and wellbeing was so devalued by the producers that getting some b roll and dinner table nasty quips at her expense came before urgent medical care.
@@Etsba_ "Hey guys, she's chugging 3 quarts of 0W-20 make sure to get a zoom in on that one for the coroner later. BOY am I glad I'm not part of the editing crew for this one."
@@Etsba_ It usually is when you buy it for your car, however when it's used in ice packs, like on the show, it can take on a bunch of different forms depending on the area manufacturing it. Like where I live anti freeze ice packs look like shrunken down versions of car oil containers, bulky plastic rectangular prism.
Her treatment on this show is unbelievably cruel and there's no way the other participants weren't encouraged to mock her and not take her seriously. They still should have known better but the manipulation involved to isolate and then pull her back in was straight up evil.
I deeply empathize with Christine as a female child from an abusive parent participating in the cycle of abuse. I can see the overwhelming misogynistic overtones of the show portrayal of her and how other "cast" members were portrayed treating with her. There was unfair gender politics on all cast members (ben included) but I find that the way she was being treated truly stuck a chord with my experience. As soon as she would open up it seems like she was being shot down for not giving the right response and being called a drama queen. (A similar thing can be said about Meko with race and gender politics). The whole thing made me feel "icky" and I admit I couldn't finish the video when you started talking about how everyone started turning on Christine.
Another thought is the way gossip is being used in this show is weaponizing they woman hold others accountable for their actions and communicate. It lines up with the overall misogyisntic attitude the show has. I find this not to far from other media made by these showrunners. I like how you acknowledge so points of misogynic in your video and it I think it leave more room to look at media in this category through this lens and how other's treat woman's mental health and trauma.
Great Video and I hope Christine, Becca, and Meko are getting better treatment and healing.
How the hell the guy who thinks he is the Avatar is more sane and compassionate then every other healer
One of the autism counselors I had as a kid was basically like half of those cult people combined
They made me do all kinds of "crawling exercises" to help my "underdeveloped brain connect neurons that never got connected in early childhood"
Was it ABA therapy? I'm so sorry for the harm you suffered. People are still so awful about how to support autistic people and still a lot of eugenics shit widespread. Hope you're feeling okay today
I wish I had the words to adequately acknowledge how much I wish that never happened in your life. What an entirely inappropriate and demeaning use of authority
@@ollie2111 ABA Therapy is most of what there was for me in the 90s.
Idk, things sorta hurt every day, but at least I am now hypervigilant enough to not be incredibly ND in public. I've never once been a part of a neurodivergent cringe compilation or something, which *can* be life ruining.
Thank you though, earnestly.
Omfg I thought I was alone in this. My stepmom had me and my sis do similar stuff with similar logics cause she was obsessed with fixing us. I remember her showing some video about how it helped - like it made some non verbal kids verbal or something so I thought maybe this was a strange therapy for very specific cases, but apparently it’s all bs lol. Idk if it did jack shit but lil 11 yr old me was stronk af haha.
@@stuffz4040 honestly, critical support to 11 y/o you for not succumbing to the endless self-analytical hell ABA can lead to.
Fucked up that you had to go through it to tho
“Con artist healers…” right to her face. Becca is amazing.
1:13:24 I was in an environment full of “hippie” people with those same “spiritual” views for a few years, and a huge problem there is that they expect that their methods will cure anyone of anything, and if it doesn’t it’s because _you_ did it wrong, or _you_ didn’t _let_ it work etc. It’s supposed to be so open, but ends up being so toxic if you have any mental health issues or chronic conditions. I have chronic conditions, and the amount of shaming I got for yoga and meditation not fully healing it was insane
I wonder if this is what they mean by "Toxic Positivity." I've heard the term so many times, & never understood it. Perhaps this is what it means.
I gotta admit, I take a little schadenfreude from watching Aqua feel so hurt by being indirectly called a con artist.
Yeah, go ahead, cry about it. Becca deserves to feel a little smug for taking her down a peg
The way Aqua talked to Becca about her son’s death was so fucked up. I would have completely lost it in that situation
Its cruel. Why? Why? Becca stood up for herself well.
Agreed my hands would have moved faster than my mouth
i would’ve demolished any person that even attempted to say shit like that bro
omg that line about her incorporating a racist halloween costume into her normal wardrobe sent me lmao. and also as a therapist holy fucking shit this is so awful. but great vid!
It reminded me of the soul sucking vampire lady from Dr.Sleep. Rose the hat
when you were talking about how that one woman seems to get physical nourishment from negative emotions, i was going "omg shes an energy vampire" and when YOU said it I audibly gasped. losing my mind
19:00 "You have drunk from the putrid propaganda teat of the beast" is a line that belongs in Disco Elysium. Girl WHAT are you talking about.
I grew up in an evangelical cult that did "exorcisms" that looked so much like when Chrissy triggers someone until they are crying including the "now you're fine!". Gods. This is so messed up.
I knew a girl in high school who was assaulted (not sexually) by her older brother, and she thought he legitimately was possessed by a demon. When i said it sounded more like he was a violent person with drug problems, she just wouldnt accept that there wasnt a supernatual explanation for it all. It kinda trapped her where she was because all she was willing to do about the situation was pray.
@@michaeldavis8250 also, note about exorcisms, your supposed to do them AFTER you go to a docter and see if its anything like a mentel illness or a drug problem. these people were straight up doing it wrong.
As a trauma therapist, that s$*#! does NOT heal trauma. It just reactivates them in an emotionally unsafe environment and could very easily re-traumatise them.
This entire show is just the hippie dippy version of Jigsaw's failed ethos where if you traumatize someone enough, they'll do better
Underrated comment 🤣
I'm dying
My dad tried that instead of raising me. Pending results.
@@LiliumCruorem I'm sorry.
@@chatnoir9038 it kinda worked lol. Sure I have no friends and a lot of issues. But I can sing and dance really well and I can play a multitude of instruments well because of it.
Chrissy and Aqua are pure evil. It’s unreal. “Con-artist healers” = the most spot-on statement ever.
Masters degree in counseling here. The SECOND you said people with mental health in connection with a reality show immediately screams “we’re making a ‘reality’ show that is completely and totally not actually a human experiment worse than the Stanford prison experiment”.
Love how you use terrible reality shows to indirectly address politics and theory 👏🏾
Also is that pup that band shirt?
@@ForeignManinaForeignLand am I doing something weird when I subconsciously insist on reading your comments in your unmistakable accent?
I know a video's gonna be good when I see you in these comments
honestly though, iconic genre here
@@404no57 depends, do you hear the voice, cadence and accent of people who aren't Foreign? Might be weird if it's only him.
Jesus christ the traumas some of them endured. The premise and general vibes of the show are bad enough but then you get to the section revealing their actual stories (not just the sanitized labels) and how the fuck was this allowed!?
I think we can agree that reality TV is the most ethically questionable genre that is still somehow a thing.
@@amaravazquez8591 at least when it’s a bunch of influencers pretending to find love, everyone is in on the fakeness. This is a cut above in terms of horrible exploitation
@@amaravazquez8591 in premise, reality TV has potential. However, in general execution and thus audience expectations it is a garbage pile. This show is more depraved than most. It's like finding a pile of bodies in the garbage pile and now you wonder how such a thing could happen.
@IntrepidTit I dunno exactly who in this case or in general when it comes to television or similar programming but whoever saw the pilot and/or heard the idea for this and provided tge funding necessary would likely be the first in line. Then, if it is not the same person or company, the distribution network that saw the final product. Those would be the most likely candidates for category of people that allowed this to go through.
Obviously, the showrunners bare responsibility as well but they are not in the same category. They were pushing for the show, the absence of push back such that the show exists in distribution would be fault of those that allowed it to be produced... so I think that may be the producers? Not familiar enough with showbiz to know the exact structure.
Of course there are larger but less useful and less blameworthy categories. Perhaps a government that allows this kind of exploitation of people in need of therapy. Maybe the society in which this is conceivable and realizable. But those are different discussions to be had.
There have been times in other reality shows where they would accidentally exploit people's traumas as entertainment but since the whole premise is of something completely different, they could somehow get away with it.
But now they're straight up making a show based on people's traumas. How was this allowed to even leave the drawing board? I mean actual therapies and counseling are private and confidential for a reason.
Telling a mother of a dad baby it's her fault the baby didn't make it is mind boggling.
This is how my mother tried to cure my schizophrenia but plottwist, she believed i was "spiritually sensitive" nah, she just kept smashing the window above my crib, thats all