Pickup Artist Reality Shows (ft Noah Samsen, F.D. Signifier, and Münecat)
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2022
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What an odd addition to the cult series :(
Alo i love how th firt to alpha comes to my mind is omegaverse, thats f/f andeven traight, but mainly gay poibl furry possible mpreg erotica XD
And i think it can be good practice to have rules and game and roleplayey stuff, but like dnd i a way wher youhave to have to get along and have fun.
And dunno, look ar furrys if you are a weirdo?! Thy get laid, fun.
Like videogame actually can really too help teach people stuff, for good and bad. Depending on the developers ethics i guess.
@@marocat4749put the bath salts down bro 😂
Hey man what's that outro song's name? I know it's by Will Jarvis but can't find it
Just FYI, there is some audio overlap during your ad. It starts at 5:51
Did you know you were autistic before you got the ADHD diagnosis? Also, you seem pretty similar to most of my friends - which begs the question, are most of my friends awaiting mental illness diagnoses in the near future?
"This is a leftist video essay. We don't fix problems, we just name them."
iconic.
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That's true going all the way back to the original leftist video essay
This made me laugh so hard I nearly pee'd myself, then I got in a critical perpetual loop of pointing out problems in leftist videos without actually doing anything different.
As it was since the first YT leftist script on papyrus
And then we act surprised when people get frustrated with our movement.
"In this round contestants must seduce one of two women, one will only speak in truths the other in lies."
amazing fucking comment
“HA! Got you, dude! Trick question, bro, women ALWAYS lie!”
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick eyyyy like my b*tch ex wife 😭👌🏿. High five bro 🤚🏿.
If only they let the women actually be willing participants whose words mattered.
If PUAs wrote the Labyrinth 😭
dont hit on a stripper at a strip club, dont hit on a bartender at a club, dont hit on a barista at a coffee shop. dont hit on people at work, especially when their job is to serve you.
wtf, i love hitting people. especially with rocks
yea! it's their job to serve you, _and_ they can't escape anywhere! they are _at work_ .
As a barista, I thank you
Fucking A right… I’ve been delivering pizza for like a decade and all I feel is disgust and second-hand sadness when some girl makes an innuendo or even just straight up thinks I’m gonna become a male stripper because she’s got cleavage out…. It degrades us both
As a stripper, I thank you. Please don’t try to “get with me” or date me. I’m just working.
“Remember 9/11” as a pickup line is peak artistry
"Yeah, Allende was a great president"
It's peak-up artistry.
Or, how did you feel when the Challenger space shuttle exploded on T.V. in your kindergarten classroom?
I'm dying. That intro. The editing. The idea of Noah Samson and F.D. Signifer competing at pickup artistry. It's beautiful.
Legit forgot where I was and then I was like "why is Mr InHell in a Münecat video?"
the whole intro on its own is high art.
I'm convinced F.D. recorded his part in portrait mode on purpose XD
@@steffany-raelynch4030 It has highschool video project energy but in a good way.
That was hilarious and awesome! 😂
“all a pickup artist is, is a nerd in drag as an alpha male”🤣eloquent, succinct and hilarious 👍🤣🤣🤣
I love the part where the judges say "look at her face, she's thinking I do need a pedicure". Like, no dudes, she's thinking "wow I can't believe what a dumb asshole that guy was". These judges don't understand what they are seeing at all. It's pretty pathetic.
I genuinely think that the judges know when they are talking complete bull like this. But PUA is their actual profession and they need to maintain the illusion that it works, that it can be taught, and that the choices the contestants are making with their coaching are reasonable - because the audience probably identifies with the contestants and the PUA judges' next payday will be to sell courses to the audience of the show.
Image is everying when you're a grifter.
I just can't ever understand why they'd be random dicks to strangers. Give compliments sparingly, criticism if asked, otherwise just try to not make the world a further worst place. Why ruin the night of that girl? You don't know how she's gonna take that, mate, come on. Maybe she had a shitty day. Maybe she's going through something. Don't be a dick. We already live under capitalism hellscape, there's absolutely no need to actively push the world into negative places, it'll be worse next morning.
Pathetic only begins to describe it
You can tell that she was actually thinking "when was the last time this bozo got a pedicure???"
As a neurodivergent woman, I REALLY wish there were lessons on dating for us, not for how to find hookups, but more how to detect creeps, but I think that's something all women wish they knew
Honestly I think the best way I thought about is from friends to partners. Like, the world of dating is just so much pretending and this weird play of subtle bs that it makes my head hurt when I think about it. Why can't we just make friends and go to friend dates and then see who each other is, but no we gotta decide from the start that we are going to engage with this weird maybe "yes maybe no and also I don't know who the hell you are"
I will say, though, the pick-up artist shows discussed in this video are a pretty good 101 course on how to spot a creep.
If they act like anybody on this show: stay faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away.
So many of my ND woman friends have struggled with this kind of thing, I really wish there was some resource I could read up on and just know about so I could send it to them
there is a video that is mostly targeted at guys but seems pretty general by thought slime which is like the only ethical thing ive ever seen online about like dating
Honestly “how to find hookups as a neurodivergent person” also sounds like useful advice lol
"How did your family do in Katrina?" is an unbelievable power move.
also such a fucking 45 year old thing to say, like hello, I just met you, how did that traumatic disaster go? you have any clean up you still have to do these many years later?
The "stop a woman to listen to a song that reminds you of your grandmother" annoys me so much because I would ABSOLUTELY stop and sincerely listen to the granny jam and want to talk to them about their sweet ass granny who apparently partied to club music
So tell me about Nannan Ibbotson, how did she get into Scooter?
Honestly that's the least fucked up one on the show. Its shitty, but I could see Jackass doing it. It's vaguely funny to convince someone that your grandma was a huge Britney Spears fan.
MISSION FAILED: Girl started talking about her grandmother, and now she's cry-singing Candle In The Wind.
As a former fat girl (still fat, just older) I was a target of choice for a lot of PUA in training when the trend started. According to Mistery and his clones, I was supposed to be "easy" to pick up because... well, I was fat and young so I clearly had no self-esteem.
Now I find it hilarious, but at the time it was extenuating to deal with those dudes. Fat gals have a life too!
God they get super nasty with you when you're a fat girl and you aren't having it, too. Because you're supposed to be so easy, so when you aren't, they rage out.
"As a former fat girl (still fat, just older)..."
BASED
They saw you as a step not as a person. Ugh.
Just a heads-up: extenuating means a factor that lessens the seriousness of a situation or offense.
@@snakesnoteyes Argh, thanks. English isn't my first language
I actually did briefly see a stripper. Didn’t try to seduce her or anything. Friends just dragged me to a strip club, we chatted and she offered her number. Wasn’t trying to pick her up, was just being a normal customer tipping as expected. Hung out a few times. She was super cool. Didn’t go anywhere as a relationship, but yeah don’t try to pick up people while they work. If they’re interested they’ll make a move.
As a stripper it’s really nice to hear you were so respectful and fr let the workers OFFER don’t ask cause we get asked WAAAYYYY too much also good on you for tipping consistently cause ppl in WA do not have the same courtesy 🙃
@@princessbunny80085 I tip all service workers well, cuz even though I sell my labor power to a capitalist for a wage I’m lucky enough to be in an industry that pays a decent wage and I see no reason why I deserve it more than any other worker. Want to spread that luck around. Sorry to hear about the shitty tippers out there, around here it is common practice for strippers to completely ignore you all night in favor of other patrons if you aren’t tipping. Or at least that’s how it was a few years ago, haven’t gone in quite a while
RIP Dance Cave. I hope future generations find a place where they can get puked on at 3 AM on the same day as their 9 AM mid-term.
Oh hey, it’s you
"cooking is traditionally a biologically feminine trait" i fucken snorted with laughter i love that
Duh, haven't you noticed that when you're out hiking that the only bears you see cooking are the female ones?
@@dexterbunco4212 But... but biologically feminine trait!?!@!!11?! /sarcasm
Can't remember who it was, but definitely one of those ultra toxic bros, who was so concerned about the optics of him liking baking that he insisted on it being called bread science and referred to himself as a bread scientist. 'Cos baking's for girls.
"I kind of game-ify dating; where when i'm on a date, I think of it as as a game where it's a competition to see who can make the other person have more fun." Can I just say that I absolutely adore this mindset? Definitely going to keep this in mind when I return to the dating pool! :)
i loved this too, such a sweet way to approach it
I was going to say, I think that's the only way to "gamify" dating WITHOUT being creepy (at least, not without a lot of careful prior negotiation, trust, and explicit consent).
Yeah, that's just really cute. Focusing on the other person's enjoyment :)
Definitely the best way of gamifying this sort of stuff
It's very sweet as long as you don't have a huge competitive streak lol. I did think that was a very cute way to gameify dating
It sounds more like you're playing a game *with* the person instead of thinking of the other person as an NPC. The latter is the behavior of PUAs, and it's dehumanizing.
I love the ending bc I’ve been saying this for so long. Most misogynistic men don’t look like Andrew Tate realistically. We love focusing on the misogynist like him or fresh and fit (bc it’s easy to make fun of and easier to critique) that we ignore that misogyny isn’t always so explicit and in your face. Men have come out to say they don’t like Andrew Tate and then people think that means he’s a feminist that could never be misogynistic.
Men are socialized to view women in these ways, as seen throughout this entire video. If you want to be a better man you have to be aware of this and actively unlearn these things/try to be better. Not just better than Andrew Tate. It doesn’t take much to be better than him. I haven’t seen many people point this out but I’m happy this is added in the video.
When you see the intro with Noah and FD doing a parody of a dating show and then the actual show is actually worse than the parody... Bruh 🤯
I gotta say, FD Signifier is married and I totally respect that, but letting slip/emphasizing the fact that you're a dad seems like it would honestly be kind of a draw for some people, specifically those who are looking to settle down and/or have kids. (Or if you just have a thing for DILFs, I guess).
F.D. Signifier responsibly making sure to get the kids to school makes him the winner in my heart
Women writing academically about pickup artists has to be one of my favorite genders
I think especially when this was at its ultra peak in the early 00s there was two reactions from ladies either rage or sadness, and for those who felt sad there was this desire to understand how this happened
@@LizStaplesone can be angry and still want to understand
@@joypomeroy1452 understanding implies a level of empathy, I used the word rage, because it communicates an emotion not conducive to empathy, introspection, analysis or the writing of academic papers.
@@LizStaples again, one can still be angry and understand, seek to understand, or even convey their anger eloquently in an academic work
@@joypomeroy1452 I used the word rage instead of anger because the response of the time wasn’t angry empathy it was largely dismissive rage (this led to a very man hating environment) sure it is possible to be angry and try to seek understanding but I would argue that anger is more frustration than rage.
"Imagine your main interest just being watching men be dishonest" you did it, you cracked the psyche of PragerU financial backers!
These show are somehow even more terrifying than that weird therapy cult show with the evil sexual healer
the WHAT
@@rotisseriepossum check out the last resort vid.
I didn't believe you until the part with the little girls............
@@w0rmg0rl Yup, that and the “separating a woman from her friends” challenge. Just straight up vile
Lost it at evil sexual healer.
“Remember when 9/11 happened and you were a full grown adult who could vote?”
I do, FD Signifier. I remember it well. I watched on the TV in my college’s student union building.
The "Remember when Dennis Miller was Bill Maher" was friggin priceless 🤣
Remembering Reagan's presidency 🤮 is why I knew it was a scam when he ran again in 2016
Member when Mighty Morphin Power Rangers was on and you were in middle school? 😅
Me too...😔
I was in my crib.
"When I play the game, I never strike out"
*proceeds to throw ball into the gutter*
I wish I could be 1/1000th as confident as that man
As a teenager I got pulled into a pick up artist rabbit hole. I was just trying to learn how to talk to people. Because the world just stopped making sense after puberty. I was supposed to fullfill this male role in society that just did not fit me at all (I did not figure out I was trans back then). So the idea that there was an underlying structure to it all that I could just learn or a behavior I could copy seemed incredibly appealing to me. But this whole pick up master and red pill shit really fucks with your head. I'm glad people like you are exposing it for what it really is.
Luckily I got out of that ideology now and figured out who I really am. Which made connecting with people so much easier. And my life so much more worth living.
WAIT LOL this is just the inverse of me being transmasc and not knowing so I leaned into “traditional femininity” and “biblical modesty” for awhile 😂
@@cjboyo the trans experience will never not be fascinating to me lol. like idk why it’s both incredibly funny but also equally as sad that there are all these trans kids out there accidentally participating in some of the worst subgroups in society as a means of trying to figure out their gender identity. there is logic to it but it’s just so unexpected and wild. thank you and OP for sharing your experiences!!!
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I absolutely know what you mean! I think I was somehow too dorky and too little online to get sucked into something like that but that could've absolutely happened to me too... also came to say that it's crazy how much better social interactions are since my transition, also I've gotten more into dating and I'm finally getting to be the little slut I always wanted to be, lul
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As a millennial who's been on the net since the beginning: These mid-2000s pick up artists were just gamers who adapted their online personas to their "real life" identities with mixed results. 6/10 dudes became pick-up artist and Bam Margera clones, and 3/10's became tribal tattoo himbo avatars in Second Life.
What about the last one?
Accurate
@@nadas9395 that last one probably became an incel.
as someone who still plays SL the tribal tattoo himbos havent left either
@@nadas9395 they became normal, and will deny being one of the 10 until the day they die
I've been rewatching How I Met Your Mother lately and your quote about satire needing to have focus lest it be mistaken for what it seeks to criticize made me think of Barney's character. I think that show unintentionally made pick up artistry look way cooler than it actually is to a lot of young boys/ men in the mid 00's
I know a 26 year old that still unironically uses the bro bible or whatever the fuck to defend his actions or try to curse other people out
@@chelscara big yikes
This show was really gross and fucked up at times..
@@Hallkardia 100% ! Low key hate watching it 😅
I blame Neil Patrick Harris for being a genuinely cool, likeable and charismatic person. If they'd picked any other chud to play Barney it might have been more apparent that he was an ass.
I used to be in deep with PUA shit as a teenager. I didn't have access to bars so I wasn't able to really put it into practice but I thought about it and read about it a lot. Then I found a guy who was claiming his PUA was different. He seduced women through emotional honesty.
The one thing I remember is him saying "tell women real stories about you. About bad things that happened to you. If you talk about your gran dying, then go on to talk about what you learned from her, how she was a good influence. Whatever your story is, finish it talking about how you've grown"
And I was like "okay this seems like it would work actually. But also... This is just a real conversation. Fuck. This is just a real conversation." And then I never looked at PUA again
That's what I think a lot of guys who are confused about dating interactions need to hear, & the revelation they need to find for themselves.
It's never occurred to me to hit on someone while they are on the clock, but i like this "how to hit on a stripper while they're on the clock" thing. I think I'm just going to skip the whole first step of tipping well and go straight into donating to a mutual aid fund for sex workers and since I didn't tip i wont go to a strip club, and then i don't have to go to the trouble of leaving because I'm still at home.
Maybe i should use this technique way more often.
Wow this is a very advanced move
@@WereInHell anyone can pull this off! Please buy my 3 minute course of not verbatim advice from your video for a monthly subscription of only $69.69 per week, "Best Way to Hit on Strippers while never leaving your couch or communicating with another person." People who buy my course become trillionaires with over 6 billion hot girlfriends.
"When I play the game, I never strike out!"
*throws the worst shot known to man*
It's all gutterballs no strikes with me!!! 8)
What got me is that it wasn't even a bowling ball. And he was using baseball talk in a bowling alley. So his unintentional metaphor is that not only is he terrible at the game, he isn't playing the game he thinks he's playing, and doesn't have the right equipment for either.
@@MiriamClairify He did deliver on his promise lmao
"separation is the key to seduction" jesus fucking christ I have never been more glad in my life to have only dated other women
The whole video I was thinking about this in the context of autism and then an hour in you started talking about it and shared that you’re autistic and I was so glad to hear about that important nuance and perspective to this video. I am also autistic and a queer trans man and for me that results in thinking about masculinity extremely often. I appreciate when I can hear such thorough reflections from others. All your videos are great, thank you for making them!
That makes so much sense, I'm on the spectrum too and I love how Mr. Hell explains things
It's kinda why the PUA, Red-Pill, whatever community is si dangerous for neurodivergent men. For the longest time, despite the factually incorrect, misogynistic ideology they vomited out into the Ether, they were the only space online that did speak truth to power about how much it sucks to lack companionship because your neurodivergence weirded out "normal people." And how nobody would explain what you did wrong. Many young men who found themselves into those spaces were scared, insecure me who didn't know much buying into a sales pitch that resonated with their struggles, and they weren't well equipped enough to identify the predatory, bigoted ideology that came along fir the ride.
Those alternative spaces, which didn't teach then how to do Chad Drag, did exist online, but were easily dwarfed in size and recognition of the problem. And the unfortunate thing is that unless the world does an overnight transformation and austistic/neurodivergent communication is both appreciated and understood by neurotypocal people, our perspective on the world and our methods of communication will continue to chafe. We're In Hell is right in that the easiest way to happiness and companionship is to change the goal from the gross, exploitative "seduction" to ensuring everyone in the situation is having a good time.
The "seasoned" adult filming in vertical made me weep 😂😂👍🏼
PS- ppl been sleepin' on münecat WAY too long & seeing her get featured in other cool creators' vids makes my cold dead heart actually have the feels 😍😍😍
I let an audible "oh no" during the part where kids were involved. Like oh god, please leave those poor girls out of this.
I could sense that there were going to be kids involved when I saw the layout of the library, and even then I was still appalled that they even did that! The part that makes it worse was that there were no boys, only girls.🤮
@@throwawayaccount4008Yeah the library was clearly a kids library but I was really hoping that that wasn't where it was going. I know I shouldn't even have floor level expectations for someone like Mystery, but well I thought maybe the producers or someone wouldn't let him do that.
It could have been worse. The guy who got eliminated just before this, the guy being portrayed as wholesome and need advice, was arrested years later for CP.
"This is all my kid's stuff... Anyway" 😂 Love this intro, Münecat has the perfect reality show narrator voice
This whole period of time was such a cluster f**k. I'm an adhd/autistic cis female in my mid 30s from a dysfunctional family with zero experience of what healthy relationships looked like. I emerged into the dating world with this messaging, lad culture, and the commodification of women's' sexuality prevalent at that time and CRINGE looking back. I completely relate to the urge to find a social script to navigate relationships. Damn did I ever have the wrong script though.
Hard relate.
Oof. This is me too
At 1:04:47 when he described the "women" as adorable time slowed down as I took in the notably shorter bookshelves and what you said about it being incredibly fucked up. Still nearly died seeing actual children round the corner. How that ever got past the stage of murdering the guy who suggested it, let alone finding someone on the casting/production end who sold parent son letting their children be on that show is beyond me.
Yeah how the fuck did that episode ever get made!!? Fucking wild and utterly disgusting. Had the same "time slowed down" moment lol.
I had no idea what I was in for. I honestly thought the skits at the beginning were in some way an exaggeration or hyperbole. I look back at 20-minutes-ago-Austin and think "oh you sweet summer child."
Saaaame.
Me watching the skits: Ugh I hate this kind of exaggerated awkwardness for humor. It's so uncomfortable.
Me watching the actual intros: "Oh no."
“All a pick-up artist is is a nerd in drag as an alpha male” - such a good quote! Does that mean that ineffective pickup artists could be considered naïve camp?
"Obama told me to read Marx to pick up chicks. My bed won't even stay made cuz of all the sex I'm definitely having." 😂 I'm dying…
I will say, the guy at the beginning who was a bar owner that was wearing both a suit jacket and a polo shirt simultaneously was giving off PERFECT PUA energy
also it felt like he was saying "owning a bar makes you an alpha, so you dont need to try any more to be appealing to women!"
i cannot handle the cringe of that guy going up to a random girl and saying "i really don't like your shoes [awkwardly pause for 5sec to think]"
Fiq filming vertically for the bit had me ugly laughing
That intro killed me. Noah and FD pretending to be chuds was hilarious but ‘remember when Denis Miller was Bill Maher?’ destroyed me lmao
Thank you for linking to a sex worker mutual aid fund! I had never considered looking to see if such groups existed before, and I donated!
My broken brain can't not stop constantly thinking about Griffin McElroy's "Magical Hi-Tech Pervert" Job interview outfit when talking about all these PUA nerds.
You look like if hepatitis was a person
it is a good brain. face cat or hands dog?
So you can stop?
Actually, that means you must stop. “Can’t not”, as in it is not possible for you to not stop.
@@benhs1898 Being a grammatical pedant in RUclips comments is one of the more baffling behaviours I have observed online.
F.D.'s line 'remember the beginning of global warming' lmao
Pickup artist show idea: The "targets" are all secretly in on it and just work to absolutely clown on these guys
Great video dude, one of my favorites of yours so far! Donated to the mutual aid fund as well :)
Average Canadian millenial childhood was starting your day with Uh Oh and ending it with Keys to the Vip with a splash dash of Kids in the Hall to round you out
Haha omg
Thank you for saying "all men actually". I've had a few instances of people missing that my being a feminist doesn't stop me being a man who exists under patriarchy. Doing better is an act of resistance but there is no cure under the current system.
The caveat I always give to the "compliment something they chose" advice is that if you wouldn't genuinely compliment it on your mom, there's a good chance you're not actually complimenting that choice and are instead just implicitly complimenting their body. Think about how "I like your shoes" might sound if you're just wearing basic flip-flops, or "I like your top" if you're wearing a plain tshirt. Since what you're wearing isn't actually interesting, it's pretty obvious they're saying "nice feet" and "nice tits" respectively.
Yes such a good point! It's easy to feign innocence whilst making someone v uncomfortable if you use this kind of compliment
Hey why was the first thing that came to your mind feet
@@joshgraham7413
Right lmao
@@joshgraham7413 because foot fetishists do this often
@@landshark3509They do. Ugh... Trying to buy snacks at the gas station, only to have a guy say "nice shoes" while I'm wearing a plain black pair of $10 Walmart flip flops, is terrible. 0/10
Everyone knows the best Pickup Artist is Zigzagoon. You don't need a whole show to prove it.
Scientifically confirmed.
Thanks for making me chuckle.
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i absolutely love the idea that dates are a game to see who can make the other person have more fun. that is adorable and wholesome and should be the only "rule" that governs things like dates. fuck yeah.
Yay! New We’re In Hell! I think the looped Noah chuckle may be one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever heard 😂
And cocoa butter Chris’s head truly looks like a glans…
Munecat had the number 1 mano video by far, until this video made me laugh embarrassingly hard so many times lol
Her’s is still the best tbh but I think I was able to add some things here that I’ve never seen anyone else touch on
@@WereInHell i agree with you as well, hers had more context and almost as much fun as yours moment to moment. You did get the whole family together tho dang dad included 🖤
Saying "When I play the game, I never strike out." on a bowling lane (as opposed to a baseball field, where strikes are a *bad* thing), and then immediately gutterballing it, really captures the vibe of both reality shows and pickup artistry in a neat little clip.
the whole "think of dating as a competition to see who gets the other to have more fun" is actually genius! not only do you have to acknowledge their humanity that way, but you also have to pay attention and notice what sort of things they find enjoyable - which is kinda the point of dating when you're not a piece of shit looking to manipulate your way into a dubiously-consensual lay!
Mister E's goggles outfit straight up just the one Digimon main character that never actually grew up.
This, my friend, is some of your best work! I'm a bit older than your core demo, mid-40's, but everything you touched on just seemed like common sense back in the day. The flirting is like a dance analogy, BRILLIANT! A bit of charm & a good sense of humor is all you will ever need in life (Hell, not just to get laid).
EVERYONE had that friend with ridiculous "game". But, he was never someone to aspire to be. More often than not, they were the butt of countless jokes. They were the archetype behind the "men are dogs" trope from the 90's. Most everyone else was just trying to figure out how to be themselves. But guess what? So were the people you were interacting with! Interaction, that was the key. From a young age you learned the basics of just talking to other people. And how not to be the creep.
I think the generations who have always had the interwebs, and could therefore craft whatever the fuck persona they wanted, have a HUGE problem with knowing who they really are. If your teenage years were spent calling other gamers gay & racial slurs online, you're not going to do that well in social settings.
Shit! I'm high & rambling.
Great video!
Super well said! I'm a little older too (at least to be commenting on youtube... what am I doing? It's 11:30 AM and _this_ is what I'm doing? At least you have an excuse, you made your comment at a normal time!), and I never thought about how "growing up on the internet" might affect kids in that way, but I bet you're right! There's so many facets to how the internet changes human behaviour; I had not thought about that one before, so thanks :)
Similar to what you were saying, it seems like a lot of these PUA types struggle with the concept and importance of being genuine or emotionally honest. Like sure, most people you talk to when you're younger are totally still trying to figure things out, and very well may be "faking it til they make it" on some level. That's fine, normal, and it definitely works! But people can _usually_ tell when you're being totally fake. They might not now who you actually are or what you're ulterior motive is, but they can still feel it. It seems like the young men who are drawn to pick up "artistry" often don't [yet] have the emotional intelligence to realize that most people can see right through them, they're only fooling themselves, and end up falling down the rabbit hole. Anyway, I have to imagine that the internet could exasperate that phenomenon, given that you are so much more anonymous and it's all that much harder to call people out on that stuff (just kidding. As I'm sure you also learned from Buster The Rabbit, nobody would just go on the internet and tell lies! Hey, you have a similar name to a cartoon rabbit, that's neat 😉)
👏🏽 🚬 also lol, late millennial here. Similar experience as not American/ Canadian 😉
I'm also mid-40's. I fell into PUA stuff about 20 years ago and realising that literally none of my successful relationships with people required anything that community advocated was like taking a gorgeous long, hot, cleansing shower.
This predates the internet and before hurling sluts online, there was hurling slurs in real life.
I got briefly sucked into that crap years ago. They all prey on insecure men, and hilariously anything they give that IS solid advice basically boils down to shit your parents could of told you. Like no shit dressing up cool will make you seem more appealing, but that's something your dad could've told you.
Glad I got out of that movement; the whole thing is super toxic with how they view women and human interactions.
Poor F.D. He was clearly the real winner in that competition with his ability to make the phrase "lesson in love" sound simultaneously arousing and weirdly terrifying.
34:36 Okay, so through the video so far, I had nothing to say because it's been pretty much standard "lol pickup artists are shit lords", but like... WOW. It is insane to think of how many guys who could be decent to women, instead of falling down this misogynistic rabbithole, if they were just taught that women have... Individual motivations? Like, a girl doesn't solely talk because she's a "try hard" or because you had to manipulate her into it. If someone is awkward, if they can't tell the difference between friendliness & getting hit on, maybe just... Help them differentiate? Help them communicate? Ugh. I'm rambling at this point, but WOW, WERE THAT GUY & THE JUDGES PAINFULLY OBLIVIOUS.
That NPC comment you made shortly after was spot on.
I cannot express enough how F.D.S.’s pick up lines would work on me. Yes- I remember that. Omg- lets go to my place now and discuss early nineties failed debt resolutions. Keep talking….
Right?! "yes hello my emphasis was media, politics and propaganda, I used to teach about CDOs, your place or mine - you hungry? Let's get snacks on the way"
The fucking madness of the first six minutes of this video is simply incredible. I’m so excited for the rest
I wouldn't describe trying to get your date to have as much fun as possible as toxic at all. In fact, it seems like an objective utilitarian good. Even if the relationship falls through long term, you literally did your best to make someone's day better and like you better in the process. I don't think that's manipulative any more than like... being honest about your feelings to make a personal connection, or verbally agreeing to someone on something even if you don't actually agree that much to facilitate the social interaction.
As I remember "metrosexual" WAS an Insult, eg ppl didn't like Beckham being so liked by women and called him a metrosexual.
Honestly, it's kind of a hilarious insult in retrospect. It's basically just a bunch of weirdos insulting straight men who took showers regularly and put on deodorant.
I love seeing this thread from creators like yourself, Noah Samsen, and FD signifier where there's this awareness that dunking on bad behavior isn't enough. Red pill creators, Jordan Peterson, and these PUA monstrosities like most nightmares only exist because there was an absence of light in which they could take form to fill the space. There's some core unacknowledged societal failing they've used as a foundation for their unholy temples.
I hope to see more stuff where the content isn't just "Here's awful people, don't be like them. Now let us laugh." (which is great but falls short of reaching out to anyone who needs help) But adds to the dialog giving the people who would take the red pill another option. Maybe some thoughts about deprogramming from the manosphere. Thoughts on deprogramming from the mainstream idea that romance should be the primary directive of any person who is single. Thoughts on building healthy and positive communities or finding existing ones in your life via shared interests, proximity, etc..
Ugh I just wanna hook up with a guy who'll still treat me like a fellow person afterwards, and say "gg" cause sex is a coop game and the win condition is having a good time.
fr is it so much to ask for? like I just wanna still have my buddy after lmao
“There’s a man who hunts humans! But there’s also some bad stuff too” lmaoooo
So what, you thought you could just rope me, a new viewer, in by collaborating with not one, not two, but _three_ different creators that I like?
Well you were right, good job. This was very well researched and I appreciate it. 👍
PUAs seeing women/dating as a fighting game with a moveset you can memorize and then exploit is a really insightful observation. Usually I see people say that PUAs view women as computer programs that you can control with specific inputs, but the fighting game analogy works even better.
Peaches definitely was reading about these sports facts before and waiting to say them and use them for something.
I’ve seen clips and the Cody and Kurtis videos of Keys to the VIP and holy hell I can feel my internal organs shift places from the cringe. It’s almost sad watching them fail at flirting on tv and watching the entire personality they’ve cooked up in their heads crumble slowly, but then I remember how douchey they were so I don’t feel bad at all. But holy hell, watching the confidence drain from their faces as they fail time after time is a real sight to behold.
The autism bit was so good. It was exactly what I was thinking throughout the second half of the video and you answered that thought and then gave me an awesome way to think about social interactions - Like yeah I also gamify it - not how these gross dudes do - but if it's a game that means there are rules I can try to understand
Okay but given how ND people are being brought up in this context, I really want someone to analyze the similarities and similar problems with PUA culture/"game" and the social skills coaching/"therapy" people get as autistic kids and teenagers. As I recall, a lot of it was relying on social scripts and conversation trees (which is not inherently bad), but a lot of it also felt like it encouraged a lot of masking (pretending to be neurotypical; usually expending a lot of energy/mental health to do so), didn't prioritize being myself in the social interaction, and also encouraged me to act cheerful/sociable in what seems like a highly feminine-coded way.
(I'm transmasc, and I would be encouraged to smile more and pitch my voice up slightly to sound "cheerful"; it probably didn't help that all the people teaching me this content were women, and like 50% of what I learned was due to mimicking/mirroring others' behaviors).
Anyway, I have 0 empirical evidence for this, but I feel like the way we teach neurodivergent kids how to socialize "better" in a capitalist, patriarchal, and otherwise hierarchical society, shares a lot of similarities with the way PUA coaches teach their marks social interaction. I feel like there's something to dig into there, about prioritizing the results or potential benefits of interaction rather than prioritizing the quality of the communication/clarity of the communication, or the way we teach and conceptualize social interaction (at times when we do have to specifically "teach" it to someone) modeling treating people in an "I-it" vs. "I-Thou/I-You" way.
Lol as another trans masc who was told to "smile more" and "do something with my hair" by a therapist, I second everything you said. (Jokes on you Mrs Quante, I still wear the same fucking hairdo everyday and so can any woman who feels like it)
I would LOVE to watch an essay on this!
holy fuck, I was literally thinking this same thing. I only ever had one "professional" try to teach me masking, and it never sat well with me. Thankfully I was already a senior in high school and basically doing fine, so my parents took me seriously when I said I wanted to stop. Autistic people aren't just in a position where these social scripts can seem appealing - many of us have already been trained to use them by explicit authority figures. Why do I have trouble expressing my feelings, even genuine pain or distress, if I think they'll upset or disturb others? I dunno, maybe because the background radiation of my life has been the message that I should put the needs and feelings of others first in any interaction!
May i just say
Neurotypical people tried to teach this to you because it is more beneficial to them for you to assimilate in "their" society
Like, if "so-called" communication was good enough of its own, they wouldnt feel the need for autistic people to learn to "socialize"
what im saying is
why socialize at all? whats the point, if everything someone does is wrong inherently?
why were you forced to adapt but not them?
This is a really interesting and underrated comment! I would be super interested in hearing more analysis about this connection in the future!
I feel personally attacked / glad I’m married when FDS shows how “amazing” we are as men over 35. “Dating” truly is a young man’s game when it’s positioned as what these shows say it is.
What am I watching 🤯
Your montage of Canadian television collapsed me back to being 13. I kinda got into the pickup community as a young man struggling. I'm so glad I saw the trap of it and got out and a healthier mindframe.
Love the video, keep up the good work Comrade.
I think its funny that they filmed the judges in one of their parent's basement rumbus room while their sisters are having their own party in the background..
Who says Reality™ isn't honest?
A game to compete for making the other person have more fun is the most wholesome thing I've ever heard about dating.
I think all youtube collabs should require the people involved to cut a promo for a terrible old TV show tbh.
To be fair... F.D. Signifiers voice makes almost everything sound sexy :-D
Love the message at the end. It can be easy to over-indulge in "weird dude is weird" content as a way of avoiding valid self-criticism. Almost all of us have a weird dude inside us, and it's our responsibility to improve as a person, friend, partner, etc. so that weird dude doesn't come out in ways that hurt ourselves or others
I am so here for this We're In Hell / Munecat collab crossover! Honestly I'm so surprised both your channels don't have 10x the subscriptions.
Great content aside, you're also getting funnier with each video; the "yeah get his ass" throwaway line killed me
You can explain basically all male behavior with "seeking the approval of other men".
This is a sidenote but I'm autistic too and what you said about barbers is so relatable lol. I have a hairdresser now who knows I'm autistic and just doesn't talk to me shes lovely
Also from one ND to another, your way of looking at dating isn't creepy I think it's really earnest and sweet
I’m 40 and, completely unrelated, the second contestant definitely would’ve won.
Remember when Ninja Turtles had a rap?
The part around 33:00 hits at the center of my entire frustration with both my own ineptitude and how _nobody_ has ever been able to help me with it (least of all PUAs):
The only "game" I've ever wanted to learn in a situation like this is *how to read a woman's signals* when she's saying (without using words that I can understand) that she's into me. Because that's what I'm looking for. Not a "conquest" but a woman who's looking to meet a guy kinda like me. And I remember back in the beginning when guys like this were promising to help guys like me, and it quickly became obvious that they had nothing I wanted.
(And then, of course, it'd be nice to know what to do after that, because I always fumble that part too. And these guys are _even worse_ about that part, so...)
That "making conversation with barbers" part hit me hard 😆 Whenever I get a tattoo I secretly hope that the artist will just not talk to me and let me zone out & meditate for 4 hours. The last time I got one done the guy was honestly so sweet and trying to start conversations with me and it was just hilariously awkward because I'm a total weirdo. He asked me if I have pets. Nope. He asked me if I watched some jays/leafs game last night. Nope, don't like sports. He asked me if I play any video games. Nope. He asked me what show I've been watching lately. I told him I don't watch TV and I just watch hour long RUclips essays. After that he stopped trying.
Yknow the tattoo artist is likewise human and has to spend those hours either in good company or awkward silence too. At least they're getting paid for it, but you could definitely be missing out on some good human connections or at least interesting stories by not meeting other people where they're at and just staying silent when they put the effort in multiple times to start a conversation with you. Idk, not trying to be mean , and you have every right to do you, but I genuinely felt a little sad reading your story and thinking about the valuable human experiences you could be missing out on and how this attitude towards meeting other people might not be serving you well in general.
@@joshmay2944 wow ok you are reading way too deep into this LOL. My point was that I'm not good at small talk. I don't want to talk about sports or pets, I want to talk about weird essoteric shit, or things like politics & philosophy, and when I dump that on someone I've never met before sometimes it goes sideways. But also when I'm enduring long hours of being in pain (more on some parts of the body than others), it's hard to even talk at all. Sometimes I have to go into a meditative state just to get through it.
@Casa Duro - Tiny Home didn't mean to make you feel like you had to explain yourself, but it is certainly a lot clearer now what you meant and I get that completely. Those are the kinds of convos I enjoy the most as well, and it is kinda sad that our baseline discussion topics as humans are often limited to mundane shit like the weather and sports. I will say tho in my experience oftentimes people that have way more to offer conversationally start out with simple stuff because it works for most people, but then if you talk to them for more than 5 mins they start opening up and revealing more interesting thoughts going on there.
Anyway I deal with social anxiety myself, but I've found it's easier to swim by just jumping in the deep end and letting the cold water hit you all at once. Bc if I let it, the overthinking and worrying about how to facilitate a conversation with a stranger can be paralyzing.
Anyway you sound lovely and I hope you have a great new year :)
@@joshmay2944
"Oh thy lord mighty, for ye i yield
do please share thy stories
as we drink ale and cheer!"
Whats sad about avoiding interaction?
is this fun for you? my reaction?
do you think i have something of value to give?
maybe a unique perspective to relive?
no matter how vain i may be, nothing to gain talking to me
no new thoughts in my head
peeps like me, you already met
dont feel sad, my dear lad
best be glad, is not so bad
i might add is actually rad
armour clad? just a tad
Loving all the cameos and voiceovers! Real life easter egg of "oh I know that guy" is pure serotonin.
Fellow Autistic here. And yeah, the idea of having actual rules to follow in social situations can be appealing, so I also understand the draw of pick-up artistry for guys who are neurodivergent. Hell, once after a particularly hurtful break-up (me being dumped...hard), I read an online book written probably by some pick-up artist guy for women having trouble with men, and there actually was some good advise in it and a surprising amount of asking the reader to do some self-reflection. But there was also allot of toxic shit, but thankfully, naïve as I could be, was able to identify that crap and ignore it. It is sad that it feels like these are the only resources available for people struggling with social interaction and that's why so many people are sucked into it. Sorta like Jordan Peterson's shit.
"Dating is a competition to see who can make the other person have the most fun." That was incredibly wholesome. Bravado, Sir.
Yo just finished the video, one of my favorites you've put out. Really well done 👍 and thanks to Noah and FD for their parts, absolutely hilarious skit
Haven't even started the video yet, but what a legendary line up in the features man. Love to see it
Duuuuuuuude, spot on about keys to the vip being part of my repressed teenage memories. I think this video is gonna save me loads of money in therapy. Damn. Great work! Thank you! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
"A woman needs a dominating figure in the bedroom"
Domme and switch women: wanna bet
Another banger in the reality TV series! I really appreciated your framing of the PUAs as Nerds in Alpha drag and the deconstruction of social roles. Your advice about the fun-game mentality on dates is also super cute and stuck out to me. Thanks!
I am clearly the same age (or older than) FD Signifier and it hurts my heart.
Either that or my something is wrong with my heart.
I also offer a perfect method for picking up. The mistake that all men make when trying to pick partners up is that they look *outward* for targets. The simple trick they're making is that they aren't trying to pick up the easiest targets. *themselves*. Boys, learn what makes you tick and chase attracting yourself. You'll be able to bag yourself *and* discover inner knowledge and peace.
It's the perfect scam!!!
The discussion about the appeal of dialogue trees absolutely pulled me back into freshman English class in high school when we were reading Pride & Prejudice, and I was like, "Idk, it actually would be kind of nice to have social rules and courtship that's this well-defined and understood by everybody." and no one in the class seemed to think that was normal. Turns out I'm neurodivergent as hell.