I decentralized my tech as well, but rather than switching to a dumbphone I just uninstalled all distracting apps from my iPhone and instead just have email and social media on my ipad that I check into briefly in the morning and evening. I use a paper calendar and journal in a paper notebook. That way all i use my modified smartphone for are alarms, calculator, short notes, calls, messaging, maps, banking, security monitoring, and the occasional Google search.
It doesn't work for me tho. Maybe I'm bad at it 😂. But I think downgrading to a dumb phone is a great idea to try out. Hope someday I can afford this experiment.
I recently removed all the distractions as well and only left important apps like mobile banking and credit card app. I do have one fun app called SkyView because at night I enjoy looking at stars and that app lets me track what stars or planets I’m seeing but the app is almost useless during the day so i avoid getting stuck on it. I’m still working on trying to remove even more apps I don’t need but have gotten down to like weather and email 😅
Before you drop reading try this. What worked for me was to listen to the audiobook while reading the physical book along to it. It helps keep me less distracted and i feel more connected with what im reading.
I'm a a huge fan of decentralising my phone and split its use-cases to other devices. I find myself getting easily distracted by IG and always regret the time I spent on it scrolling afterwards. Even if you "only play video games" instead, imo it's still better than doom scrolling, because you actually engage with a game in a way that does not feed too much into the short attention span, that is created by Reels and Shorts etc. Especially if you play and beat games with narrative and plot like RPGs, I feel in the end you have something to show for and not just wasted time mindlessly scrolling (at least in my case).
Agreed completely. Reading comics and playing games and things like that on my phone feels like way less of a waste of time than scrolling through apps.
Bro I did this for two years. Then got tired of carrying around 6 different devices and keeping track of them. And having them all charged. I got a Asus ROG 8 phone with can play video games, has a 3.5mm jack for music and has a good camera. I just took of all social media and crap on my phone.
I would get the ROG 8 but it doesn't have an esim :( Ended up with a motorola edge instead cause I liked the 165 hz screen so much. I still carry around a usb c -> 3.5 mm adapter though for my iems.
this works for some, not for others. totally depends on what you like to do while you're out and about. decentralizing my phone works well for me, because i don't play mobile games or watch videos outside of my house. i just have an ipod, my camera, and my little dumb phone. it works well because i can leave my phone at home most of the time and still listen to music and/or take photos. some people do more stuff/have more hobbies so i could see how it would be a pain to have lots of devices for everything
you don't need to use all of them at the same time every day,omg just chill, use them once in 2 weeks/1 month, that's why you all addicted, you need to use it EVERY FCKIN DAY, Jesus
I like the concept because algorithms are super addictive. I've been trying to break away from social media/RUclips for many years and failed. I definitely took minimalist lessons in the past and apply them to my day to day, decentralizing tech seems like a viable way to eliminate distractions. There will however be a grace period for a vast majority of people will find themselves jumping from one thing to the next every five minutes if they attempt this due to short attention spans, focus, memory and dopamine drive. That's pretty normal and with time they'll find they go back to enjoying things without distraction. I might make my phone a dumb phone tonight and start working towards eliminating distractions as you have and focusing on things I wish to do.
I decentralized my tech accidentally a few years ago. I use an iPhone 13 mini because I wanted to have a phone that easily fit in my pocket and that I could use with one hand. For music, my iPod Classic because I never really liked the sound quality of bluetooth. Bought a kindle to encourage myself to read more and its better for my eyes than reading on a backlit screen. I use my laptop for games and netflix. I use a small notebook and pen for my notes because I prefer writing to typing. It's obvious to me that all these things could be simplified by getting an ipad and an apple pencil. But with what I have, I find that I'm more intentful with my time and minimize the potential distractions.
This is exactly what i am doing but i was worried that its not minimal to have these many things but when u said you want to minimise the mental clutter then i realised, yes and that''s why its okay to have these things. Great Video and Great Setup
@@NuryPPanaligan not really, i mean, only if you are not willing to take things that are useless out of your life, this dude is clearly a consumist and not doing what minimalism is (*Minimalism is a tool to rid yourself of life's excess in favor of focusing on what's important*) so this video is 100% dumb because he didnt got rid of excess he just created more excess to his excess.
@@xrazzr1 That's the true meaning of minimalism, removing excess junk. To the influencers though, it's the look that is minimalism. Reusing ice cream containers for storage is true minimalism, but to influencers, it's not minimalism. That's why I say minimalism is consumerism. The true meaning has now been twisted.
I just de googled my phone and use only open source apps. It got rid of all the excess algorithms and notifications and kept social media off my phone, but still allows me to use all the great features of a modern smart phone.
Haven't used social media in 13 years personally, didn't need to de-google for that and no clue why I'd want to either. (Joke's on us since YT is social media haha but we know what we mean)
It has been a while since I have found a channel that is as easy going and soothing as yours. Thanks for the videos. Super fun to watch, listen and chill.
everyone has a different balance of convenience vs intentionality. my main hobbies are music and reading so I have single devices for those things. I love my e reader!! a lot of my screen time (phone and pc) is actually youtube videos so I thought about deleting my youtube account but... I keep finding small creators like here that are posting interesting videos and i don't think it would be beneficial for me to stop completely. so I'm thinking about how to make my time on youtube more intentional.
I would recommend (not currently, but when it comes out) the light phone 3. It has a camera, time, alarm, text, call, gps, calendar, music, and podcast. These are things that are more of necessities rather than dopamine farms. It will be a good device and is simplistic without being addicting. And you will still have a computer for other things, but you will have more time off your screen. Hope this helps! ❤
I think I'm not yet decentralizing my tech yet, but recently I bought an alarm clock (not the beeping one) and somehow waking up is far much better than using alarm from my phone.
Yeah. The solution is just get a real hobby. You wouldn't even consider picking up your phone if you're doing something engaging. But I must relent that companies DO try to maximize your phone time by feeding your internet slop.
@@GreenSkinGentleman While I agree, the problem with your theory is that I would say 80% time of your day you are realistically not engaging in any hobbies. You are either working, sitting on toilet, eating or cleaning. In my opinion THOSE are the moments where you need to stop thinking about social media. The key is to learn again to be bored and embrace it. Don't use social media as a bandade to your boredom.
its wild seeing this comment because out of all of the screen time reduction videos ive seen I feel like social media was the least significant factor in him stepping away from a smartphone, it seems his issue is more similar to trying to make your bedroom an office and game room and art studio at the same time
My issue with Smartphones are false advertising when it comes to battery life I use a computer most of my time than a Smartphone if I want music I can option an mp3 player for more quality and no ads during music sessions.
This is the first video I’ve seen of yours. Then weeks later I randomly find a RUclips link on Reddit to the floor desk video you have. I guess I should subscribe.
Your honesty about not really being a reader separates you from the rest of the digital minimalists I've seen on RUclips. You simply want to enjoy the hobbies like photography, cocktail making and games. It adds a lot more authenticity to your rational, I am on a similar path and found this to be one of the most honest videos I've found.
Not so much of a digital minimalist in the common way, but I do use an iPhone 8 still as my daily driver, a 10 year old Galaxy Tab 4 running android 11, my laptop then a DSi, making the most out of the old hardware you have kinda turns you into a digital minimalist naturally. Typing this comment on that 10 year old Tab 4, I use it for youtube, netflix and other content streaming, iPhone for yknow, the phone things and the laptop for the work i do and the little gaming i do with my friend, loved the video man!
how do you use android 11 on such an old tablet, I've got a similar one, a tab 2 but it cannot even run chrome properly. RUclipss also out of luck due to no updates for it.
Hey, I have a tab 4 too. Model t230-nu iirc. What's your model? I upgraded to a tab s9 a few months ago (no, I never used the tab 4 for anything serious in the past few years)
i think the underlying problem is the insidiousness of adverts and the maliciousness of corporations that pay for and serve them. it is in many companies' best interests to keep your eyes on the screen and watching adverts. it's like a subtler version of the eyelid opening chair from clockwork orange. they're profiting from addiction. but i get this is more of a practical and people can learn from you :)
I’ve actually picked up Golden Sun because I never played it as a kid, and so far 10 hours in im enjoying it. Once i get though the first one I’ll start the second one and the one of the DS.
I also use a unihertz titan pocket, and a regular watch! I'd recommend looking into automatic watches, they are a lot cooler and since they are mechanical you'll never have to replace a battery.
Cool concept. The fact that you're not trying to eliminate things completely but diversifying it to be more meaningful. Liked the part with the gaming console as well. I used to play a lot of games as a kid, but have stopped. Hoping to get a switch lite soon
I was using my Iphone constantly and needed a way to stop this addiction. I knew this video would work so I followed the steps and now im a healthy, Iphone free, alcoholic!
I really like this video you are really how a blogger should be i did decentralized my iphone now using cat s22 flip gopro camera and chromebook for games im usimg my gaming pc and i dont regret this step at all it changed my life
I used to have one of those metal 4x4 slide puzzles and i WISH i could find it cuz it's so fun to slide the tiles around and make patterns while youre waiting around. Great way to cut down on phone time when I'm out and about and need to conserve battery life cuz it's small enough to fit in your pocket and useable while standing or in a cramped place, unlike my sketchbook. Idk if organising numbered tiles into fun patterns will stop my brain from turning into mush, but it's a lot more fun than The Endless Scroll
I can't count the number of times I accessed Facebook to post something work-related or check on a message and emerged an hour later without having done the very thing that I got on there for in the first place. I use no apps on my phone at all--other than calls, texts, and pictures--and everything is done on a desktop. If I want to engage with technology I have to sit down and do it deliberately. A great deal of this revolves around privacy concerns but, honestly, I just don't want technology following me around everywhere I go. It's important to me to live an authentic life, engaging with the real world. I'm so happy to see that others are moving in that direction as well.
ive been searching for the right type of "minimalism", you summed up most of what im looking for to be honest. im going to digest this and think about it for a while to see what my plans become. thanks
You've just gave me the mindset I need. Right now, I have my phone for important or addictive stuff and for taking photos and my tablet for watching actual series (even though I also find it useful for e-books I barely read). I am planning to get a Nintendo DS for playing on the go. However, I should probably change that.
Nice video. Also, I loved Golden Sun. Actually, I never even played the first one, but there was the sequel The Lost Age also on GBA and I spent so many hours on it and did manage to finish it. I remember really liking the music too
I was watching this video and when you brought out the Pretendo SP and mentioned Golden Sun, I was actually thinking of playing exactly that. I remember playing a little as a kid but never finished it. I'm trying to aim exactly for this, I've downgraded to an iphone 8 with a tiny screen and today I had 1 hour screen time which is a lot better than the 8-10 hours I would on the bigger phone.
I downgraded to a iPhone SE 2020 like u so my phones no so fun to look at. I set a triple press of the button to put the screen in grey scale which I try keep on often - great video! Thanks for making. I’d watch a review if your phone too
I miss my BlackBerry 7105...I wish they had a 7105 5G with a minimalist version of BlackBerry OS with Internet via Wi-Fi, calls, email, RUclips, and downloaded music. That's it. Mine was a very minimalist phone with no Internet or apps, as the App Store wasn't a thing when this phone came out. It was on T-Mobile.
That's a great idea and I like it but if you're like me and don't carry a bag with you everywhere than I highly recommend factory resetting your phone, doing the setup, installing your music player of choice, installing your bank/credit card app and that's it. My daily phone screen time is around 1 hour. Also I highly recommend bringing the Kindle with you, it will help you read more. Btw I own a Pixel 9 Pro XL, the photo quality is great and the instant cloud backup is too.
Something interesting about this is how using a smartphone have changed my life in both aspects of life, in other words, as most things have a positive and a negative aspect. Well, I used to play video games back then, but when I started to play modern mobile games I've become and addicted, such as Fortnite, pay-to-win games, microtransactions, etc. About social media, I've never been that kind of guy who is attracted to it, so I ha Facebook and that's all. Only used it occasionally. You got me some cool and interesting ideas to make changes. Appreciate you, and I love the video. Great work.
I started to decentralize my phone and using it less by using my tablet for social media and checking e-mail. I can still use my tablet as a companion device for Whatsapp and many chatting apps so I only use my phone when I go outside so people can still reach me.
I tried that too a while back but the problem was I just got addicted to my tablet haha it just shifted my screen addiction to a different device -- glad it works for you!
@@PGBlanks Using tablet is fine for me. It's basically shifting a phone into a larger and heavier form factor which means it'll take more effort for me to use it.
I'm on the same boat! I have a Kindle because it doesn't shine blue light like a phone or tablet does. I also love using analog buttons to flip pages on my Kindle Oasis. I play games solely on my gaming consoles (ie. Switch, 3DS, Steam Deck) because I love analog buttons over touch screen. Even though I have an Apple Watch, it's one less reason to "check" the time on my phone.
I have used a kindle since they first came out. It's so much easier on the eyes than a tablet or phone. I'm an avid reader though, so it is a good purchase for me.
I have been on and off on these digital minimalist mindbending exercises since for a few years now. I went back and forth on what you are doing. Visual clutter vs mind clutter. I don’t really think the phone is the problem, but more that we have a problem letting go of the addictive apps. Before this many years ago, it was texting. That problem wasn’t as big, but then the digital grip wasn’t that big. Anyway, I don’t have a solution for this/my problem. Just reflecting on your insight. I am considering using my iPad mini for my iOS needs and going with the little chunky unihertz boy. Very interested in a review. Thanks for the cool video.
7:44 as far as wallet I’ve personally always been wary of digital wallets. The only thing in my digital wallet is tickets when my wife and I go to sporting events, concerts, comic cons etc. as far as phone I’ve so far removed all or most of the distraction apps and am currently trying to remove even more apps. (I quit social media 3 years ago so those have been gone) I still do play video games but my switch stays at home even though it’s possible to take it other places 😅 most times I’ll play with it hooked to my tv and every now and then I’ll play it off the dock when my wife wants to watch her shows. But reading I love having a physical book in my hand and I will read a lot on my lunches and a little before bed
i really like the ideia of having the specifics objects to use, like camera for recording, dont like that much of phone, I just use message app, instagram, spotify and camera, I dont know how people just are able to spend hours in reels, like if you do just uninstall for a while or silence people you dont mind. I think is no better to switch for limitad devices, just try a detox using a regular phone, and make sure that you are in control of it
Thanks for sharing this video! I think you articulated a school of thought around decentralizing tech very well. And you don't need to address caveats much after saying that decentralizing works for your purpose. Because if one approach was to work for everyone, that would just be reintroducing centralization and a one size fits all approach haha. Thanks for educating me on this school of thought of yours. For me, I've started learning how to use the centralized tech device mindfully, where it doesn't use me. This is running the risk of being exploited but my ongoing system and my current broader life doesn't allow it to happen. The passive algorithms fed have helped me greatly. My friend couldn't believe the nyc hotel I found for a great price on our trip and I was fed that info. I do wonder how this relates to broader and deeper motives we all have, such as abundance. Attaining abundance in desirable things is probably helped realized by minimalism too, in a sort of constant dance/balance.
I'm considering doing this but in my own way, over the last few weeks I've removed social media apps from my phone and anything else that is distracting. I've kept some games and the kindle app so I can still read and play games but am looking at an ipod for music so I can do away with Spotify and am looking at getting a new battery for my analog watch to swap out my apple watch.
I noticed you left out Music. People have also used their phones to listen to music on the go. Usually with Spotify or something. But there's a small trend going on that some people are switching to iPods or other physical MP3 Players, and they love it.
Great video, and good luck at getting better at photography :) I think you are kinda of doing by using offline file based devices but having a files first mentality really removes other distractions and company middlemen from daily interaction. Camera - files, Gaming - files, Music - files, Kindle - files(kinda of).
Hey there! Would love a seperate video on the Unihertz Phone and how you use it. I find this phone so interesting but can't find videos on how people use it daily or have theirs set up. Thanks!
yeeeessss!! finally, someone else who made the switch to a dumbphone and talks about how it has helped them get back into their hobbies like gaming. we shouldn't be so purist about it and think that we can only fill all that nee free time with the epitome of productivity. i dislike my smartphone cause im mindlessly on it, but instead spending 40 minutes on the tram to savour a video game you enjoy is exactly why i made the lifestyle change
Citizen Eco-drive ftw! Got one last year after about a decade of trying various smartwatches or just using my phone, and it's been somewhat of a relief going back to analog
fun fact : android os is made for digital camera os at the first time .. and now ancient camera interface more decent and natural than os(android) that made for digital camera
I'm a Italian guy and I also do this thing of decentralize my smartphone and it's really useful. Also my favourite type so I need to play on a real console and not with a smartphone.
Create a 2nd profile on your smartphone (multiple users settings on Android, exists for years), basic user with standard apps, no accounts associated. The profile will be like a new phone setup. Switch only when needed.
I'm also doing this, with an emphasis on paper notebooks. I carry an e reader, a digital watch (!!!), my planner, a personal journal, a sketchbook, and an auxiliary notebook for random-ass notes--and that's not counting the pens. My phone has a minimalist launcher with no icons (same as yours?), is set more or less permanently to black-and-white mode, has no social media, and although I've kept the web browser, that browser has a site blocker (all hail LeechBlock!) that keeps me away from time-wasting, scrolly-type sites. I do most of my browsing on my laptop, including email. I've kept the games, maps, weather, and reference/language apps, so it still fulfills a Swiss Army knife kind of slot in my EDC. It also functions as a music player and camera, which I'm contemplating decentralizing soon. I like when a tool isn't designed like a slot machine--that's the opposite of minimalism, and not in a cool way. And most importantly, I actively want to do this. I'm sick of the kind of person being on my phone all the time has turned me into.
I agree fully with the games part. I ditched all the social media a few months back and only now I can truly sink time into games I would probably never even discover if it wasn't for that decision. I highly recommend getting a Steam Deck and checking some PC indies!
I really love this video! I do the same but in another way: i have a DAP (mp3 player) without internet (20€) and when i listen music i'm so concentrated, i have my bt headphones inhear (59€), my headphone overhear (200€) for home or winter, i have a pixel 7a with grapheneos and mlauncher (like you! 😊), i have two gbasp that i think i must change the batteries for reissue and play a lot of original games, i have also a nokia dumbphone 2G (20€), and that's it, i think. Now i want a camera digital and analog (like polaroid) for better photo.
I wouldn't call myself a digital minimalist, but I have not used any social media apps in the last three years. My problem is shopping websites like ebay, poshmark and mercari. I am constantly checking new listings for vintage camera gear, my biggest hobby. So what ive done is down graded to an old android phone, camera sucks web browsing sucks but it works for calls and texts. I use organic maps and an app called radio droid for music. I created a google account with an unused email. I know this phone is not secure so I will not use my main google account, that means no access to the sites! I still have navigation and music and dont have to resort to t9. I use my laptop for about an hour a day to check emails check the sites and watch some content. But the biggest win is the laptop stays home when I go out! I have found the biggest win is to not sign into your google account and you will only have the basic apps you need. This has worked for me I have under 2hrs SOT daily with my phone. My old phone was a Pixel 8 pro, my new phone is a moto one action I bought years ago that was in my junk drawer.
I'm starting to do this too, I installed Audible and RUclips Music onto one of my old smart watches, loaded them up and paired them to some headphones so I can listen to books and music separate from my phone😊 I set it all up with an old phone so it wont draw me back to the phone I'm using the watch is an old Samsung galaxy watch 4 with an extremely minimal watchface👍 would like to get a handheld to as I want to stop gaming on my computer. feeling seperating things out is so helpful for those like me with ADD/ADHD
thanks for sharing! i havent delved into smart watched yet at the risk of getting too distracted from the notifications haha but doesnt seem like a problem on your end?
@@PGBlanks no no, thats why I have the watch haha, it alerts me only with call and messaging apps, this way I don't have to take out my phone to reply and possibly end up on another app , I just take the call on my headphones if I want to pick up and if its a short message or sending a voice message back I'll usually do that on the watch. So I now use two watches separately, also the one connected to my phone is good to use with Maps, can just leave my phone in my pocket, controlling music, paying for things etc etc
I do have more than one smartphone in my possession one of them is the Titan pocket the other one is a Titan my flagship phone is a note 20 yet I don't have that much screen time on all my phones combined yet I use my computer a lot researching a lot of other work I do Titan pocket you have is a very good choice definitely
I did this as well, but will less items. I just use my smartphone for internet surfing, contacts, and financial transactions. I use a PS Vita separately for on the go gaming.
I think i will do the same thing. I usually only take pictures on trips, at races, and particular events, so I will get an actual camera. I will not need to carry it every day, and that will lead to learning a skill and gaining a new hobby. And I have a Kindle Fire already, so I will just make a point to read on it more and bring it along on trips where I would have time to read .
Love this idea. Going more this direction as well. Have you looked into the Light Phone II or III by chance. Almost feels analogue but it’s intentionally designed to not be distracting.
dont understand why so few phone manufacturers chose qwerty layouts, most just went back for full nostalgia with the 9 keyboard layouts, typing on those are somewhat painful
THIS! Wouldn't a qwerty dumbphone be so good? It just goes to show that a lot of the T9 manufacturers don't really care that much about producing a "good" dumbphone that can last you years, they just seem to be cashing in on the nostalgia. That's why I feel it's such a contrast to compare a good old dumbphone from the 2000s from their "modern" dumbphone counterparts.
I know, right? It's so painfully obvious that these were designed to type out NUMBERS, and that they never were good to type TEXT to begin with. I wish there were more options other than Unihertz Titans, second hand Blackberries, or DIYing something yourself (like a Fairberry project) for getting a modern android based qwerty phone or a dumbphone :(
I am an expressly minimalism-hating maximalist, but i'm gonna give this video a chance because i love old tech and just preserving a wide array of options in tech. :D
The first 4 plus the last one are respectable but the gaming handheld seems unnecessary to me, I always felt it was better to do emulation on a phone/ tablet or computer
Good reminder not to let our devices control us. We should use them because we actively choose to use them, not because they coerced us into passively consuming content.
I'm going through the same transition as yours. Gaming is one thing I noticed taking lots of my screen-time especially MOBA games. I moved to Nintendo Switch which I find more manageable coz I can stop playing and taking a break anytime I want.
When I am doing any kind of search on my Titan pocket I am able to use voice recognition and it works very well yet I don't have a screen addiction if I need to find a particular song I can still use RUclips quite well I can still do text messages very well definitely
Dedicated review of my phone here ruclips.net/video/XRBbhqGXo5Y/видео.htmlsi=qRAWN3K52Mk_70Y5
This embraces minimalism by using his tongue instead of a toilet brush
I decentralized my tech as well, but rather than switching to a dumbphone I just uninstalled all distracting apps from my iPhone and instead just have email and social media on my ipad that I check into briefly in the morning and evening. I use a paper calendar and journal in a paper notebook. That way all i use my modified smartphone for are alarms, calculator, short notes, calls, messaging, maps, banking, security monitoring, and the occasional Google search.
That has worked the best for me too. It brought some sanity back
It doesn't work for me tho. Maybe I'm bad at it 😂. But I think downgrading to a dumb phone is a great idea to try out. Hope someday I can afford this experiment.
@@Con-Pin- 25 mins a day is crazy, hope I can reduce mine this much one day!!
I did the same thing, but the iPad, I used Pixel Tablet and the tablet never leave my home.
I recently removed all the distractions as well and only left important apps like mobile banking and credit card app. I do have one fun app called SkyView because at night I enjoy looking at stars and that app lets me track what stars or planets I’m seeing but the app is almost useless during the day so i avoid getting stuck on it. I’m still working on trying to remove even more apps I don’t need but have gotten down to like weather and email 😅
Before you drop reading try this. What worked for me was to listen to the audiobook while reading the physical book along to it. It helps keep me less distracted and i feel more connected with what im reading.
I also do that, its something I did as a kid too, 40 odd years ago
I do this and it helps me stay really focused
it also helps with spending double the money on a book
@KaptainKerl just use the library, no need to buy twice
the ADHD/Aspie kids all here lol - i love this method, i get the most focus by doin this.
I'm a a huge fan of decentralising my phone and split its use-cases to other devices. I find myself getting easily distracted by IG and always regret the time I spent on it scrolling afterwards. Even if you "only play video games" instead, imo it's still better than doom scrolling, because you actually engage with a game in a way that does not feed too much into the short attention span, that is created by Reels and Shorts etc. Especially if you play and beat games with narrative and plot like RPGs, I feel in the end you have something to show for and not just wasted time mindlessly scrolling (at least in my case).
Agreed completely. Reading comics and playing games and things like that on my phone feels like way less of a waste of time than scrolling through apps.
Bro I did this for two years. Then got tired of carrying around 6 different devices and keeping track of them. And having them all charged. I got a Asus ROG 8 phone with can play video games, has a 3.5mm jack for music and has a good camera. I just took of all social media and crap on my phone.
I would get the ROG 8 but it doesn't have an esim :(
Ended up with a motorola edge instead cause I liked the 165 hz screen so much. I still carry around a usb c -> 3.5 mm adapter though for my iems.
this works for some, not for others. totally depends on what you like to do while you're out and about. decentralizing my phone works well for me, because i don't play mobile games or watch videos outside of my house. i just have an ipod, my camera, and my little dumb phone. it works well because i can leave my phone at home most of the time and still listen to music and/or take photos. some people do more stuff/have more hobbies so i could see how it would be a pain to have lots of devices for everything
you don't need to use all of them at the same time every day,omg just chill, use them once in 2 weeks/1 month, that's why you all addicted, you need to use it EVERY FCKIN DAY, Jesus
you know you can use analog devices right?
Great video buddy! That little Anbernic is pretty neat, they did a great job on the SP form factor.
thanks man, love your work!
I like the concept because algorithms are super addictive. I've been trying to break away from social media/RUclips for many years and failed. I definitely took minimalist lessons in the past and apply them to my day to day, decentralizing tech seems like a viable way to eliminate distractions. There will however be a grace period for a vast majority of people will find themselves jumping from one thing to the next every five minutes if they attempt this due to short attention spans, focus, memory and dopamine drive. That's pretty normal and with time they'll find they go back to enjoying things without distraction.
I might make my phone a dumb phone tonight and start working towards eliminating distractions as you have and focusing on things I wish to do.
I decentralized my tech accidentally a few years ago.
I use an iPhone 13 mini because I wanted to have a phone that easily fit in my pocket and that I could use with one hand. For music, my iPod Classic because I never really liked the sound quality of bluetooth. Bought a kindle to encourage myself to read more and its better for my eyes than reading on a backlit screen. I use my laptop for games and netflix. I use a small notebook and pen for my notes because I prefer writing to typing.
It's obvious to me that all these things could be simplified by getting an ipad and an apple pencil. But with what I have, I find that I'm more intentful with my time and minimize the potential distractions.
This is exactly what i am doing but i was worried that its not minimal to have these many things but when u said you want to minimise the mental clutter then i realised, yes and that''s why its okay to have these things. Great Video and Great Setup
"worried that its not minimal" Who fukng cares if it's minimal or not haha if it works for you that's it
Love how digital minimalism means more stuff
Lmao so true
Minimalism is consumerism
that's what tech was all about at first. convenience. then it spiraled out of control.
@@NuryPPanaligan not really, i mean, only if you are not willing to take things that are useless out of your life, this dude is clearly a consumist and not doing what minimalism is (*Minimalism is a tool to rid yourself of life's excess in favor of focusing on what's important*) so this video is 100% dumb because he didnt got rid of excess he just created more excess to his excess.
@@xrazzr1 That's the true meaning of minimalism, removing excess junk. To the influencers though, it's the look that is minimalism.
Reusing ice cream containers for storage is true minimalism, but to influencers, it's not minimalism.
That's why I say minimalism is consumerism. The true meaning has now been twisted.
I just de googled my phone and use only open source apps. It got rid of all the excess algorithms and notifications and kept social media off my phone, but still allows me to use all the great features of a modern smart phone.
Haven't used social media in 13 years personally, didn't need to de-google for that and no clue why I'd want to either.
(Joke's on us since YT is social media haha but we know what we mean)
It has been a while since I have found a channel that is as easy going and soothing as yours. Thanks for the videos. Super fun to watch, listen and chill.
everyone has a different balance of convenience vs intentionality. my main hobbies are music and reading so I have single devices for those things. I love my e reader!!
a lot of my screen time (phone and pc) is actually youtube videos so I thought about deleting my youtube account but... I keep finding small creators like here that are posting interesting videos and i don't think it would be beneficial for me to stop completely. so I'm thinking about how to make my time on youtube more intentional.
totally want to hear about the pocket! haven't seen any videos on people truly using it as a daily driver. Love what you're doing man!
One thing more you need with this approach is a nice sling bag to carry all that stuff. I can recommend tomtoc 5.5 sling bag
Thanks for the reco! That's a great idea for a future packing video, thank you! I have a few sling bags / totes that I do rotate.
I would recommend (not currently, but when it comes out) the light phone 3. It has a camera, time, alarm, text, call, gps, calendar, music, and podcast. These are things that are more of necessities rather than dopamine farms. It will be a good device and is simplistic without being addicting. And you will still have a computer for other things, but you will have more time off your screen.
Hope this helps! ❤
I think I'm not yet decentralizing my tech yet, but recently I bought an alarm clock (not the beeping one) and somehow waking up is far much better than using alarm from my phone.
I should ask my parents if they have old alarm clocks lying around
I feel like your problem is more of social media addiction than phone addiction
Most people's are, they just blame the smartphone as a whole
Yeah. The solution is just get a real hobby. You wouldn't even consider picking up your phone if you're doing something engaging.
But I must relent that companies DO try to maximize your phone time by feeding your internet slop.
@@GreenSkinGentleman While I agree, the problem with your theory is that I would say 80% time of your day you are realistically not engaging in any hobbies.
You are either working, sitting on toilet, eating or cleaning. In my opinion THOSE are the moments where you need to stop thinking about social media. The key is to learn again to be bored and embrace it. Don't use social media as a bandade to your boredom.
its wild seeing this comment because out of all of the screen time reduction videos ive seen I feel like social media was the least significant factor in him stepping away from a smartphone, it seems his issue is more similar to trying to make your bedroom an office and game room and art studio at the same time
My issue with Smartphones are false advertising when it comes to battery life I use a computer most of my time than a Smartphone if I want music I can option an mp3 player for more quality and no ads during music sessions.
A huge factor is also the *more* you do on your phone = the *more* data they collect on you = *more* $$ for them and not for you.
Correct. Your data is valuable. Why do so many give it away so freely?
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This is the first video I’ve seen of yours.
Then weeks later I randomly find a RUclips link on Reddit to the floor desk video you have.
I guess I should subscribe.
Your honesty about not really being a reader separates you from the rest of the digital minimalists I've seen on RUclips. You simply want to enjoy the hobbies like photography, cocktail making and games. It adds a lot more authenticity to your rational, I am on a similar path and found this to be one of the most honest videos I've found.
Not so much of a digital minimalist in the common way, but I do use an iPhone 8 still as my daily driver, a 10 year old Galaxy Tab 4 running android 11, my laptop then a DSi, making the most out of the old hardware you have kinda turns you into a digital minimalist naturally.
Typing this comment on that 10 year old Tab 4, I use it for youtube, netflix and other content streaming, iPhone for yknow, the phone things and the laptop for the work i do and the little gaming i do with my friend, loved the video man!
Do you use social media ? And if so do u use the phone or tablet ?
@@pablohernandez6125 I do use Snapchat and discord, snap not that often, mainly use my phone but discord also works on the tablet
how do you use android 11 on such an old tablet, I've got a similar one, a tab 2 but it cannot even run chrome properly. RUclipss also out of luck due to no updates for it.
@@divyanshus7363 I just use a custom ROM, look on the XDA forums and I'm sure you'll find one
Hey, I have a tab 4 too. Model t230-nu iirc. What's your model? I upgraded to a tab s9 a few months ago (no, I never used the tab 4 for anything serious in the past few years)
i think the underlying problem is the insidiousness of adverts and the maliciousness of corporations that pay for and serve them. it is in many companies' best interests to keep your eyes on the screen and watching adverts. it's like a subtler version of the eyelid opening chair from clockwork orange. they're profiting from addiction.
but i get this is more of a practical and people can learn from you :)
great video!! and omg that golden sun bit unlocked a core memory i had the exact same experience haha
I’ve actually picked up Golden Sun because I never played it as a kid, and so far 10 hours in im enjoying it. Once i get though the first one I’ll start the second one and the one of the DS.
I also use a unihertz titan pocket, and a regular watch! I'd recommend looking into automatic watches, they are a lot cooler and since they are mechanical you'll never have to replace a battery.
Cool concept. The fact that you're not trying to eliminate things completely but diversifying it to be more meaningful. Liked the part with the gaming console as well. I used to play a lot of games as a kid, but have stopped. Hoping to get a switch lite soon
I was using my Iphone constantly and needed a way to stop this addiction. I knew this video would work so I followed the steps and now im a healthy, Iphone free, alcoholic!
@@user-ff7hu9qb1v Glad it worked!
I really like this video you are really how a blogger should be i did decentralized my iphone now using cat s22 flip gopro camera and chromebook for games im usimg my gaming pc and i dont regret this step at all it changed my life
I used to have one of those metal 4x4 slide puzzles and i WISH i could find it cuz it's so fun to slide the tiles around and make patterns while youre waiting around. Great way to cut down on phone time when I'm out and about and need to conserve battery life cuz it's small enough to fit in your pocket and useable while standing or in a cramped place, unlike my sketchbook. Idk if organising numbered tiles into fun patterns will stop my brain from turning into mush, but it's a lot more fun than The Endless Scroll
about the fitbbit vs watch you need both options its all about what you equip yourself with for your intent of the day
12:03 "On really good thing to reduce screen time is start day drinking" 😂
I mean… he’s got a point.
This could be a really good way to get a better management of your time, I did enjoyed the video! Thanks for sharing!
I can't count the number of times I accessed Facebook to post something work-related or check on a message and emerged an hour later without having done the very thing that I got on there for in the first place. I use no apps on my phone at all--other than calls, texts, and pictures--and everything is done on a desktop. If I want to engage with technology I have to sit down and do it deliberately. A great deal of this revolves around privacy concerns but, honestly, I just don't want technology following me around everywhere I go. It's important to me to live an authentic life, engaging with the real world. I'm so happy to see that others are moving in that direction as well.
ive been searching for the right type of "minimalism", you summed up most of what im looking for to be honest. im going to digest this and think about it for a while to see what my plans become. thanks
That'd be awesome if you could do a video on the Unihertz! I've been trying to switch to a qwerty and this might have the features I want
You mentioned Golden Sun!!! One of my favorite games back then, could even get into it now!
You've just gave me the mindset I need. Right now, I have my phone for important or addictive stuff and for taking photos and my tablet for watching actual series (even though I also find it useful for e-books I barely read). I am planning to get a Nintendo DS for playing on the go. However, I should probably change that.
Nice video. Also, I loved Golden Sun. Actually, I never even played the first one, but there was the sequel The Lost Age also on GBA and I spent so many hours on it and did manage to finish it. I remember really liking the music too
The fact you had to present a wallet is terrifying to me
I was watching this video and when you brought out the Pretendo SP and mentioned Golden Sun, I was actually thinking of playing exactly that. I remember playing a little as a kid but never finished it. I'm trying to aim exactly for this, I've downgraded to an iphone 8 with a tiny screen and today I had 1 hour screen time which is a lot better than the 8-10 hours I would on the bigger phone.
I downgraded to a iPhone SE 2020 like u so my phones no so fun to look at. I set a triple press of the button to put the screen in grey scale which I try keep on often - great video! Thanks for making. I’d watch a review if your phone too
I miss my BlackBerry 7105...I wish they had a 7105 5G with a minimalist version of BlackBerry OS with Internet via Wi-Fi, calls, email, RUclips, and downloaded music. That's it. Mine was a very minimalist phone with no Internet or apps, as the App Store wasn't a thing when this phone came out. It was on T-Mobile.
I think for the digital camera, it would be more practical for me to have something with a collapsible lens, make it more portable and light.
I feel like switching to an Eink phone would be the overall better and easier option
That's a great idea and I like it but if you're like me and don't carry a bag with you everywhere than I highly recommend factory resetting your phone, doing the setup, installing your music player of choice, installing your bank/credit card app and that's it. My daily phone screen time is around 1 hour. Also I highly recommend bringing the Kindle with you, it will help you read more. Btw I own a Pixel 9 Pro XL, the photo quality is great and the instant cloud backup is too.
Something interesting about this is how using a smartphone have changed my life in both aspects of life, in other words, as most things have a positive and a negative aspect. Well, I used to play video games back then, but when I started to play modern mobile games I've become and addicted, such as Fortnite, pay-to-win games, microtransactions, etc. About social media, I've never been that kind of guy who is attracted to it, so I ha Facebook and that's all. Only used it occasionally. You got me some cool and interesting ideas to make changes. Appreciate you, and I love the video. Great work.
I started to decentralize my phone and using it less by using my tablet for social media and checking e-mail. I can still use my tablet as a companion device for Whatsapp and many chatting apps so I only use my phone when I go outside so people can still reach me.
I tried that too a while back but the problem was I just got addicted to my tablet haha it just shifted my screen addiction to a different device -- glad it works for you!
@@PGBlanks Using tablet is fine for me. It's basically shifting a phone into a larger and heavier form factor which means it'll take more effort for me to use it.
I'm on the same boat!
I have a Kindle because it doesn't shine blue light like a phone or tablet does. I also love using analog buttons to flip pages on my Kindle Oasis.
I play games solely on my gaming consoles (ie. Switch, 3DS, Steam Deck) because I love analog buttons over touch screen.
Even though I have an Apple Watch, it's one less reason to "check" the time on my phone.
I have used a kindle since they first came out. It's so much easier on the eyes than a tablet or phone. I'm an avid reader though, so it is a good purchase for me.
Now, imagine, all this but on one device that easily slides into your pocket!
i think his next video will be called "how i centralized everything that i needed in just one device"
Completely missed the entire point of this video
Its great to see other digital minimalists. How are your photos?
I have been on and off on these digital minimalist mindbending exercises since for a few years now. I went back and forth on what you are doing. Visual clutter vs mind clutter. I don’t really think the phone is the problem, but more that we have a problem letting go of the addictive apps. Before this many years ago, it was texting. That problem wasn’t as big, but then the digital grip wasn’t that big. Anyway, I don’t have a solution for this/my problem. Just reflecting on your insight.
I am considering using my iPad mini for my iOS needs and going with the little chunky unihertz boy. Very interested in a review.
Thanks for the cool video.
I love using my 2006 iPod 5th gen Video for music. It's better around the house, especially in the evening, than a phone.
7:44 as far as wallet I’ve personally always been wary of digital wallets. The only thing in my digital wallet is tickets when my wife and I go to sporting events, concerts, comic cons etc.
as far as phone I’ve so far removed all or most of the distraction apps and am currently trying to remove even more apps. (I quit social media 3 years ago so those have been gone) I still do play video games but my switch stays at home even though it’s possible to take it other places 😅 most times I’ll play with it hooked to my tv and every now and then I’ll play it off the dock when my wife wants to watch her shows. But reading I love having a physical book in my hand and I will read a lot on my lunches and a little before bed
i really like the ideia of having the specifics objects to use, like camera for recording, dont like that much of phone, I just use message app, instagram, spotify and camera, I dont know how people just are able to spend hours in reels, like if you do just uninstall for a while or silence people you dont mind. I think is no better to switch for limitad devices, just try a detox using a regular phone, and make sure that you are in control of it
Thanks for sharing this video! I think you articulated a school of thought around decentralizing tech very well. And you don't need to address caveats much after saying that decentralizing works for your purpose. Because if one approach was to work for everyone, that would just be reintroducing centralization and a one size fits all approach haha. Thanks for educating me on this school of thought of yours.
For me, I've started learning how to use the centralized tech device mindfully, where it doesn't use me. This is running the risk of being exploited but my ongoing system and my current broader life doesn't allow it to happen. The passive algorithms fed have helped me greatly. My friend couldn't believe the nyc hotel I found for a great price on our trip and I was fed that info.
I do wonder how this relates to broader and deeper motives we all have, such as abundance. Attaining abundance in desirable things is probably helped realized by minimalism too, in a sort of constant dance/balance.
I'm considering doing this but in my own way, over the last few weeks I've removed social media apps from my phone and anything else that is distracting. I've kept some games and the kindle app so I can still read and play games but am looking at an ipod for music so I can do away with Spotify and am looking at getting a new battery for my analog watch to swap out my apple watch.
Memory unlocked! I remember playing Golden Sun on my Gameboy SP and never finishing it because it was too hard. 😆
Have to bring a separate camera for better picture is the most trouble thing nowadays especially if you need some casual photo shoot for your work
I noticed you left out Music.
People have also used their phones to listen to music on the go. Usually with Spotify or something.
But there's a small trend going on that some people are switching to iPods or other physical MP3 Players, and they love it.
Great video, and good luck at getting better at photography :)
I think you are kinda of doing by using offline file based devices but having a files first mentality really removes other distractions and company middlemen from daily interaction. Camera - files, Gaming - files, Music - files, Kindle - files(kinda of).
Hey there!
Would love a seperate video on the Unihertz Phone and how you use it. I find this phone so interesting but can't find videos on how people use it daily or have theirs set up.
Thanks!
@@sebastiensoroush859 it's already on my channel!
@@PGBlanks just watched! Thanks
yeeeessss!! finally, someone else who made the switch to a dumbphone and talks about how it has helped them get back into their hobbies like gaming. we shouldn't be so purist about it and think that we can only fill all that nee free time with the epitome of productivity. i dislike my smartphone cause im mindlessly on it, but instead spending 40 minutes on the tram to savour a video game you enjoy is exactly why i made the lifestyle change
Citizen Eco-drive ftw! Got one last year after about a decade of trying various smartwatches or just using my phone, and it's been somewhat of a relief going back to analog
fun fact : android os is made for digital camera os at the first time .. and now ancient camera interface more decent and natural than os(android) that made for digital camera
Great content, keep these videos coming and the channel is gonna blow up soon.
I'm a Italian guy and I also do this thing of decentralize my smartphone and it's really useful. Also my favourite type so I need to play on a real console and not with a smartphone.
I also use a GF7. I have a the kit lens and a manual 50mm lens. It takes amazing photos ! and is relatively compact.
Create a 2nd profile on your smartphone (multiple users settings on Android, exists for years), basic user with standard apps, no accounts associated. The profile will be like a new phone setup. Switch only when needed.
I'm also doing this, with an emphasis on paper notebooks. I carry an e reader, a digital watch (!!!), my planner, a personal journal, a sketchbook, and an auxiliary notebook for random-ass notes--and that's not counting the pens. My phone has a minimalist launcher with no icons (same as yours?), is set more or less permanently to black-and-white mode, has no social media, and although I've kept the web browser, that browser has a site blocker (all hail LeechBlock!) that keeps me away from time-wasting, scrolly-type sites. I do most of my browsing on my laptop, including email. I've kept the games, maps, weather, and reference/language apps, so it still fulfills a Swiss Army knife kind of slot in my EDC. It also functions as a music player and camera, which I'm contemplating decentralizing soon. I like when a tool isn't designed like a slot machine--that's the opposite of minimalism, and not in a cool way. And most importantly, I actively want to do this. I'm sick of the kind of person being on my phone all the time has turned me into.
I agree fully with the games part. I ditched all the social media a few months back and only now I can truly sink time into games I would probably never even discover if it wasn't for that decision. I highly recommend getting a Steam Deck and checking some PC indies!
I really love this video! I do the same but in another way: i have a DAP (mp3 player) without internet (20€) and when i listen music i'm so concentrated, i have my bt headphones inhear (59€), my headphone overhear (200€) for home or winter, i have a pixel 7a with grapheneos and mlauncher (like you! 😊), i have two gbasp that i think i must change the batteries for reissue and play a lot of original games, i have also a nokia dumbphone 2G (20€), and that's it, i think. Now i want a camera digital and analog (like polaroid) for better photo.
Also i have a digital casio (39€)
@@DiventiVento thanks for your comment in my other video! what's your DAP btw?
@@PGBlanks "Victure m3", a very simple mp3 player like there are in '00. I suggerest some dap over 100€ like the "hifi walker h2"
I wouldn't call myself a digital minimalist, but I have not used any social media apps in the last three years. My problem is shopping websites like ebay, poshmark and mercari. I am constantly checking new listings for vintage camera gear, my biggest hobby. So what ive done is down graded to an old android phone, camera sucks web browsing sucks but it works for calls and texts. I use organic maps and an app called radio droid for music. I created a google account with an unused email. I know this phone is not secure so I will not use my main google account, that means no access to the sites! I still have navigation and music and dont have to resort to t9. I use my laptop for about an hour a day to check emails check the sites and watch some content. But the biggest win is the laptop stays home when I go out! I have found the biggest win is to not sign into your google account and you will only have the basic apps you need. This has worked for me I have under 2hrs SOT daily with my phone. My old phone was a Pixel 8 pro, my new phone is a moto one action I bought years ago that was in my junk drawer.
I would not advise to use mobile banking apps or payments on an outdated OS* This is why I dont use my actual google account.
I also use a Citizen watch for the same reason :) I enjoy it immensely, and I never saw the value in smartwatches
I'm starting to do this too, I installed Audible and RUclips Music onto one of my old smart watches, loaded them up and paired them to some headphones so I can listen to books and music separate from my phone😊
I set it all up with an old phone so it wont draw me back to the phone I'm using
the watch is an old Samsung galaxy watch 4 with an extremely minimal watchface👍
would like to get a handheld to as I want to stop gaming on my computer.
feeling seperating things out is so helpful for those like me with ADD/ADHD
thanks for sharing! i havent delved into smart watched yet at the risk of getting too distracted from the notifications haha but doesnt seem like a problem on your end?
@@PGBlanks no no, thats why I have the watch haha, it alerts me only with call and messaging apps, this way I don't have to take out my phone to reply and possibly end up on another app , I just take the call on my headphones if I want to pick up and if its a short message or sending a voice message back I'll usually do that on the watch. So I now use two watches separately, also the one connected to my phone is good to use with Maps, can just leave my phone in my pocket, controlling music, paying for things etc etc
interesting calm video, I enjoy your style. Nice cat too)
so happy to have found your ch
I do have more than one smartphone in my possession one of them is the Titan pocket the other one is a Titan my flagship phone is a note 20 yet I don't have that much screen time on all my phones combined yet I use my computer a lot researching a lot of other work I do Titan pocket you have is a very good choice definitely
I did this as well, but will less items. I just use my smartphone for internet surfing, contacts, and financial transactions. I use a PS Vita separately for on the go gaming.
You are a cool dude my man. Peace and love. ✌️
I think i will do the same thing. I usually only take pictures on trips, at races, and particular events, so I will get an actual camera. I will not need to carry it every day, and that will lead to learning a skill and gaining a new hobby. And I have a Kindle Fire already, so I will just make a point to read on it more and bring it along on trips where I would have time to read .
"One good way to reduce your screen time is to spend more time consuming alcohol." 😂
Golden Sun and Golden Sun: The Lost Age? Very worth it! (Then they have another for DS, it was ok)
I recently fell in love with Canon DSLR again since I switched to a cheaper phone with average camera
Love this idea. Going more this direction as well. Have you looked into the Light Phone II or III by chance. Almost feels analogue but it’s intentionally designed to not be distracting.
dont understand why so few phone manufacturers chose qwerty layouts, most just went back for full nostalgia with the 9 keyboard layouts, typing on those are somewhat painful
THIS! Wouldn't a qwerty dumbphone be so good? It just goes to show that a lot of the T9 manufacturers don't really care that much about producing a "good" dumbphone that can last you years, they just seem to be cashing in on the nostalgia. That's why I feel it's such a contrast to compare a good old dumbphone from the 2000s from their "modern" dumbphone counterparts.
I know, right? It's so painfully obvious that these were designed to type out NUMBERS, and that they never were good to type TEXT to begin with. I wish there were more options other than Unihertz Titans, second hand Blackberries, or DIYing something yourself (like a Fairberry project) for getting a modern android based qwerty phone or a dumbphone :(
eyy good video & my thoughts exactly. might try this some time
Did not expect to see that Twice merch!
wannabe minimalists can be ONCEs too
I am an expressly minimalism-hating maximalist, but i'm gonna give this video a chance because i love old tech and just preserving a wide array of options in tech. :D
The first 4 plus the last one are respectable but the gaming handheld seems unnecessary to me, I always felt it was better to do emulation on a phone/ tablet or computer
golden sun is sooo good!
Good reminder not to let our devices control us. We should use them because we actively choose to use them, not because they coerced us into passively consuming content.
"im not that smart of a kid", lol - i felt this with some games
@@seankhoyle3168 I couldn't get past the scorpion in FF7 and that's why Pokemon games are the only games I ever finish 😭
I really like your phone case . You got a review or something on it ?
“Decentralized my phone for digital minimalism” => maximized the number of digital devices to use my phone less
On the Titan pocket Google Wallet works very well definitely
I'm going through the same transition as yours. Gaming is one thing I noticed taking lots of my screen-time especially MOBA games. I moved to Nintendo Switch which I find more manageable coz I can stop playing and taking a break anytime I want.
I had a mobile moba phase, it was bad because of how addictive and toxic they are!
When I am doing any kind of search on my Titan pocket I am able to use voice recognition and it works very well yet I don't have a screen addiction if I need to find a particular song I can still use RUclips quite well I can still do text messages very well definitely
How are you carrying all of these things with you? I like the idea but I'm curious about transporting everything. Great video!
i mean a bag of some sorts? i know some guys will be too insecure in their gender to carry one, but it doesnt have to be a purse or satchel