Forehand Throwing Motion - Should Amateur Players Do This?
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
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The “throwing motion” has always applied to the serve. And even if you are a 3,5 player you still want to get some type of throwing motion. I think the same logic applies to the forehand. Also kudos to Tom for understanding this, modeling it, and teaching it. He’s the only person I’ve seen make this analogy, although I have spoken to a select few who have observed that the forehand has become quite similar to the serve in the modern game.
Tom, throwing the racket instead of swinging the whole arm from the shoulder seems to make a big difference on the serve, too.
Great lesson, especially since we just worked on the forehand in our lesson.
Tom, I am in agreement with you on this. I think throwing the racquet head into the ball, or maybe most advanced model of throwing the hand into the ball, is a great template. Since the throwing model is a bent arm configuration, how does the Fed, Nadal, Verdasco, Tsitsipas, Alcaraz straight arm forehand enter the conversation?
Tom helped me a great deal with this concept on my forehand. I was trying to adopt the modern forehand with massive lag. As a result I had a very wristy forehand followed by a lot of tightness to attempt to control the ball.
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I feel confident that my forehand is some kind of a throwing motion, but I am not convinced that there are more or less heavy technical errors that I am aware of. (for example: left arm problem, sometimes opening up too soon)
As you explained, the serve also contains elements of a throwing movement, but people still can't serve like pros. Maybe it's because most people tend to learn to throw at a young age and not play tennis.
Unfortunately, it is very difficult to implement this advice in your own game. I don't think that even with talent and this tip, a stroke can be corrected without professional advice.
There is a lot more to it than just the simple throwing movement. The big problem is the ball, the movement to it and a racket... totally complex according to my opinion.
Tennis is the hardest sport in the world, at least the hardest ball sport.
Dont´t get me wrong … I am very grateful for this video and your words, even at my levelt … it hardly helps.
Swinging a golf club and learning to relax the arm and use internal shoulder rotation (ISR) and forearm pronation to LET the racquet accelerate and follow through smoothly is by far the most effective drill for getting the right arm motion and encouraging the modern swing path/shape (swinging more around, but still low to high, as opposed to more front to back and lifting up by the shoulder)
The throwing analogy helps more with kinetic chain coordination, but little, in my opinion, to ingrain muscle memory of where each arm joint needs to be throughout the swing.
Yes, the swing should be free, but it is still required to be confined to a particular structure in order to present the racquet face at the right angle, trajectory, and time to the ball. The racquet adds an extra length and link; therefore the difference in swing structure between hitting and throwing is too great in my opinion.
Based on the advice from some of the top tennis channels including the legendary Rick Macci, achieving fluidity comes from proper setup, coil / uncoil, load / unload, drive from the ground up, loose wrist, kinetic chain firing in the proper sequence. So is it possible to "pull" the racquet using the larger body parts and allowing the arm and racquet to "lag" behind?
The timing required to properly execute a "lag and snap" (not my terms) is much more difficult for 97% of players to achieve whereas the more WTA style is easier to execute for anyone at the club level or below 4.0. Throwing the racquet would require an immense amount of practice because the timing is much more difficult to execute even at a slow "throw"
The difference between a 3 and a 3.5 is 50 degrees of separation and between 3.5 and 4.0 another 50 degrees. Once a player gets to 4.5 maybe they can start thinking of the swing as a throw because they've achieved becoming in the top 5% of players worldwide. For the average rec level player 4.0 and below, the WTA style pulling motion is more conducive to achieving enough consistency and power to play with 95% of the world's players - most of the world's players are below 4.0.
So videos like this are helpful for 4.5 and above level players, but not for 95% of the world's players who cannot achieve the proper timing for a throwing motion. Rank beginners up to 4.0 are gonna have a hell of a time trying to execute a throwing motion due to the immense difficulty in timing the stroke unless they're a gifted athlete or have the money and time for coaching and video analysis.
So you're okay with Macci's complicated advice that isn't remotely appropriate for the average player? But throwing is too complicated? You're overcomplicating what a throw is. It can be adapted to suit many players and situations.
If anyone mid 4.0 and lower used the 1970 wooden racquet era style of the swing , they’d be so much better than by trying to copy “lag and snap “ or “dynamic slot “ or throwing the racquet. Much easier to obtain quality results and still got a competent ball while still using the bigger muscles of the legs and torso to generate power and rotation
I agree
Is there really a difference between a swing where you let the joins move in a more segemented manner and a throw?
Does Agassi or Halep use a throwing motion at all? Or is that just a swing say your wrist allowed to lag and your arm alllowed to bend in the finish, and your racquet drop has some sort of "supination"?
Tom, I believe that If an amateur can discipline himself to avoid the urge to exert his muscles, he can throw the racket as freely as he wants, and then it's simply a matter of learning shot control by imprinting adjustment of the fine motor skills of the wrist into the subconscience, through repetitive practice. If contact sounds and feels wonderful don't worry, the ball is going to go in...and at either maximum speed or spin...or both.
Throwing motion is an ambiguous term. Subjectively, Fed's and Nadal's FH don't look like a throwing motion. Jack Sock's FH looks like he is throwing a Frisbee initially, but given that he can block fast serves with it, it has to be a very strong blocking motion to withstand the fast balls.
Personally I don’t like the idea of “throwing” for forehand (while on serve it’s very relevant). There are two major ideas behind “not to”:
1. If you examine straight arm FH or close-to-straight technique, it doesn’t resemble throwing. The culprit is you throw from having bent arm, and you usually extend the elbow as you go… On FH, if you observe best players, they reach “final” elbow configuration before accelerating. Get it straight, if we talk about straight-armers. Double-bend - they don’t straighten it on as they approach the ball, but keep the bend, normally.
2. This throwing approach makes people junk a lot of important things in preparation: high takeback, then drop and finding the “slot” to accelerate from. They start just slapping from whatever Kyrgios-like takeback, and that works terribly.
So while it may be reasonable to “unlock” some elements of technique for some players via such throwing analogy, I would be very careful applying it to FH technique as a whole.
Counterpoint: incorporating the throwing motion revolutionized my forehand. It's way better now.
@@mayabergom what’s your grip?
@@mayabergom same here. My forehand feels so much more fluid and coordinated
@@Anton.Arkhipov semi-western
I too am curious how the bent arm throwing model enters the equation for a straight arm forehand.