Archangel Actually How does Ace 07 Give the Falken Justice ?? I’d say it’s The Opposite ! The only Improvement is The Visuals and Even THAT is not Faithful wen the Coffin Cockpit Little Dots Don’t Light up Ace Combat 07 sucks there’s TOO much Missed opportunity and Half Complete Effort In This Entry And Fans DONT or WONT SEE THAT
I feel like this should be clarified Ace Combat Fan is comparing how the two planes fly In Gameplay, this in and of itself doesn't indicate the FALKEN is better, just that it flies better. Both planes, were designed with two ideas in mind, the FALKEN was a fast attack superiority fighter, while the Raven was meant to be a heavily armored defensive aircraft with incredible duration and Durability and defensive options, like it says in Aces At War, Quote "The Ultimate in Survivability" Two Planes, Two Different Purposes. Two masters of the skies
Your insight is invaluable, as I know there are fans of both planes and like both or either or for their own characteristics. Thank you for going out of your way to leave your insight
@@weldonwin mission 15 is even more of a breeze with FAEBs on the Falken than the previous strat of YF-23 and UGBs, overall introducing the Falken as a multirole rather than a devoted fighter is very welcomed.
@@KoolKyurem25 play the Japanese version of AC3. In the far future of 2040, jets are flown Ghost in the Shell style by plugging into it with a brain jack, the cockpits are solid as the pilot sees through cameras on the hull. The pilot becomes on with the plane, while the FALKEN is the first step in this direction (a self enclosed cockpit surrounded by cameras and display screens like some scifi space fighter) the Raven is the latest step. In that the pilot sits in the cockpit like the FALKEN but has a helmet on transferring camera view right to you. If you're a gundam wing fan, it's like the Wing cockpit vs the Epyon cockpit
CoolPsyco *cough cough* CFA-44 Nosferatu ACES *cough cough*. Yeah, that thing I don't use even on Easy in any mission past Mission 4. It's risky using it outside of early missions. A death sentence regarding missiles. Who's idea was it to make the End game plane, even a dlc version, have LESS armour than the starting plane? Also, I played through most of Ace Combat 6 using the Tornado GR4. Notice I stress most, as I used Typhoon in Mission 13, Berkut in Mission 14, and Raptor (obviously) in Mission 15. All missions prior to Mission 6 are F16 with A10 in Mission 5. Nothing else. You know it is bad when the plane with the highest defence in the game, being maxed out, the A10, takes 20% damage on Easy from the last four guns on the Chandelier after Shamrock sacrifices his wings to save everyone, with only one bullet! The ACES version of the CFA-44 takes 20% from a single shot from a PLANE in Mission 4!, on Easy! And it has no defence!
Yeah, I completely ditch armor parts for high maneuverability in MP. And high maneuverability also doubles as enhanced aiming for fixed weapons like the EML, TLS & MGP.
ArubaJacobs 115 i know right ?i was playing a tdm and I teamed up with a mig21 player with guns pod attached and he just demolishing the other team with it even though the other team was using rafale m and a f22 raptor
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_variants#Modernisation_%E2%80%93_generation_three_(1968%E2%80%931972) _MiG-21-97:_ _"MiG-21-93 upgrade. MiG-21-93 re-engined with the Klimov RD-33 engine. The Russians have claimed that the evaluation at Ramenskoye Airport had shown that this version has beaten simulated F-16 in a mock dogfight with a score of 4:1.__ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_maneuver#Syria
Raven: defensive air-to-air Falken: offensive multitask (both air-to-ground and air-to-air) Raven: pure UAV Falken: can be controlled by pilot from a simulator (judging by a first person) Raven: maneuverability Falken: speed
@@LectroAce Not specifically why i want the CFA-44, I like the way the aircraft looks made it one of my favorite aircraft of all time. That being said, the ADMM was nice to have in the campaign in Ace Combat 6. Being able to change the face of a battle with a single salvo of missile's was awesome. But this is coming from a guy who doesn't play multiplayer and probably never will. So yes i want the CFA-44 in-game but not for because of its ADMM.
I love the look of both of these planes though I do like forward sweeping wings more. Yet despite me loving durability above all else the Falken edges out as my favorite cause of 1. The forward sweeping wings and 2. The actual cockpit. I can understand the logic behind the Raven's but the blue filter just doesn't do it for me.
The Falken performs better and has a more powerful TLS, but the Raven has a PLSL in place of the standard gun, allowing it to deal more damage per second. The Raven has UAVs making it more dangerous against ships, while the Falken has thermobaric bombs allowing it to easily devastate Aegis Ashore units and clusters of other ground targets. The Falken can target more aircraft at once with its 4AAMs, but the Raven's QAAMs allow it to make quick work of conventional jets and UAVs alike.
@@carlojoselitochua2954 Yeah, and adding it to AC7 would guarantee it'd still be near useless, if the precedent of the nerfed damage to the Tactical Laser System from Assault Horizon Legacy that carried into Infinity and 7 is any indication.
@@DRCEQ I've recently found that there are separate stats/specifications for single player and multiplayer as evident in mods. So they should make it overpowered in Single Player in order to make it fun while they can nerf it all they want in multiplayer.
personally i prefer the falken just for the FAEB. in mission 15 if you get the timing right you can catch mihaly in the blast radius at low altitude between the buildings and severely damage his plane.
but has a drawbacks, Raven's PLSL is going to be useless if dogfighting into the clouds unless you use any different aircraft with conventional weaponry.
Hmmm.... it seems that the Falken has slighty better movility than the Raven, although, it's obvious since the Raven is much more bigger and massive than the Falken, however, it's remarkable how the Falken still performs really well despice of being aircraft build up in the late 90's while the Raven is from 20 years later, those Grunder scientest from those years where the best that Belka haved to offert it seems xD
Bagas Wicaksono it deals less damage. More size, more defense, UAVs, in the cost of firepower, mobility and speed. Its not meant for full on dogfighting.
Avalos Altair Miraos The ZOE Falken, yeah. (as a matter of fact i feel like that version of the FALKEN is much more aesthetically pleasing, feels like the cockpit's position was a tribute to the Morgan.)
The Raven was surely designed by someone in Texas. The canards always make me laugh because they look like big horns that every cowboy has on their ‘73 Caddy convertible.
The Raven is longer. The game measured maneuverability by nose cockpit. Try to use tiny planes like F-5 or MiG-21 and their stat seemed like blatant lie.
Except for defense, strength, firepower, Air to Air duration The Raven was designed to be bigger for a reason, and an especially different reason. Comparing the stats of two planes in gameplay isn't really a good way to tell which plane is better, according to Aces at War the Raven was designed to be a highly defensive aircraft that can take punishment.
@@andrewrogers3067 I agree, the raven is clearly the more advanced platform, it also reflects the difference in the equipment's role. It's kind of like comparing the F-22 with the Su-35S. The Falken still kept dogfighting in mind, and because of that, it needed to be more nimble because it still had to get up close and personal with a shorter range machine gun. Whereas the Raven prioritize beyond visual range combat , by replacing the gun with longer ranged PLSL, and relying on UAVs/QAAMs to establish air superiority rather than doing the dirty work by dogfighting. Now thats not to say it can't dogfight, it just not the number 1 priority. Also second you on the defensive remark, Raven is primarily designed to be unmanned, and carry out A2/AD missions, the entire design philosophy has changed from the falken to the raven.
@@GIN.356.A There's also the Raven's highly modular nature. The cockpit (either manned or drone) is attached to a RAW body suited for the mission role, this not only gives it incredible versatility, but also allows the cockpit to switch to another RAW quickly if the prior one was damaged.
Gentleman Reaper I think they should add different RAW bodies after all aircraft come out, like a RAW-G body that makes it like the ADA-01 ADLER for ground attacks, or a RAW-E for electronic warfare, or even a RAW-X body with crazy new experimental weapons.
Can't say the ADF-01 FALKEN wins this one. While the Falken definitely has better A2G weapons, the Raven is WAY more versatile with it's UAVs, and QAAMs are god like in dogfights too.
I dunno, she seems to not want to slow down when in a dive, and I'm still not sold on her weapon systems (I could never hit a damn thing with the TLS for starters)
I prefer the speed of a craft instead of load out so that’s why I use the Raven instead of the falken sure the falken accelerates faster but overall for me, Raven is the best
I wish that Ace combat 7 had all the plane from Ace combat infinity since I very very late to the party and never got the chance to used them. Only a man can dream
@@cac_deadlyrang I know, the Z-95 is a pure fighter, while the T-65 is a multirole. I’d say the ADA-01 is the ARC-170, leaning more heavily into the attacker role.
>When you're supposedly the successor and the latest aircraft of the ADF series being especially customed to have unparalleled air to air performance, and your granddad outperforms you in about every way outside of a laser pew pew that gets nullified in clouds
Adf-11f is a whole new aircraft for the grunder company so it was expected to have some downgraded parts of the plane that still needs improvement, just saying
No. Compared to the FALKEN, the Raven was designed for a little more durability and survivability. The Ravens in the last mission fit the purpose. As Aces at War mentioned, the plane is meant to be "the ultimate in survivability". And considering what happened to other superfighters that tried to shoot down the player, it was understandable. But, alas, the Raven, too, fell.
@@briant5447 he means Pulse Lasers, not the TLS. The Raven has Pulse Lasers instead of the machine guns that most planes have, but that’s about it’s only actual advantage.
this brings back memories of a certain cartoon franchise from decades back. based on the side by side comparison and performances of both planes, i've come to the following conclusion: the ADF-11F Raven is Dr Robotnik/Eggman, the ADF-01 Falken is Sonic. watching those cartoons and playing the games in the years that followed were good times, good times indeed. *feeling of nostalgia intensifies*
The FALKEN looks cooler and has an awesome cockpit view. The Raven just has the generic "Nothing" first person view with a colour filter. Laaame. And yes, I'm aware that has nothing to do with how either handles, and I don't care.
The only thing I don't understand is why didn't they make the bar stats more reflective of the falkens performance? Like I know the bar stats in ac7 can be highly misleading as is but why not at least have the stats on par with/above the raven or something?
The ADF-11F is very similar to the 6th generation fighter jet being developed in real life. - Laser Weapon - - No tail wings - - Unmanned / Manned - Both controllable - It's cool enough, but from an aerodynamic point of view, or from a stealth point of view, it's a very sci-fi design. What I want is aircraft designers to react to this fighter and realistically modified ADF-11F
There's no right answer about which aircraft is better. One let's you use drones that'll even give Mr X a hard time... Another lets you chuck a fuel-air bomb at Princess Cossette's face to save her from the nearby tanks surrounding her... And yes, I speak from experience
One acts like a bomber, the other more of a fighter. That's as simple as it gets. They're BOTH GOOD PLANES BUT JUST DIFFERENT ROLES. Just like how with EVERY PLANE. You don't see a Boeing 747 doing Dogfights even though they fly longer and can carry more payloads. Or a Siena flying 60,000 FT in the air.
That kinda goes out of the window when the ADF11F is supposedly the cutting edge dogfighter for absolute air dominance, so is the FALKEN even though it has FAEB. Yet the supposedly older plane had better performance in all in-game measurements and a smaller profile making it harder to hit in the first place.
I can agree on that apperently the ravens cockpit view is a 3D overlay so with 3D googles you can see some extra stuff i've been told. But I would rather have falkens cockpit view
Groza Dallocort Heh I mean it’s basically Star Trek stuff , Optical Lens input - visual magnification or something But I get it the Raven can let you see Through the Plane ,, or I thought of it as your just seeing it / piloting a Drone from a nice Cozy Base. BP 🕶 + 😛
@@tennoshenaniganizer9234 The WSO tends to be the guy who does the actual "Striking" in a "strike plane". If not, he plays a big part in helping the pilot do it. Some planes, like the F-14, can't be operated properly without that guy. Show your WSO/RIO the love they deserve!
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 so he's basically stealing the glory away from trigger. I mean trigger can fly and fight at the same time in single seated planes like the raptor, so why does he now need a backseat driver?
@@tennoshenaniganizer9234 Well for one thing, as I noted in the previous comment, some planes *cannot be flown by one guy.* Using the same example, the F-14 NEEDS two pilots in order to be flown into combat. It's radar is too complicated to deal with while also flying and fighting the plane. In fact, the entire back seat is dedicated to operating the radar. Making that plane work is a team effort. Secondly, the WSO helps take a load off of the Pilot. You make it seem like he's a nuisance getting in Trigger's way when you call him a "Backseat Driver" but that's not fair at all to WSOs. Even when the pilot decides to do all of the work, the WSO still serves a valuable role as a second pair of eyes. On some planes he can even fly the plane himself if the Pilot can no longer do it for some reason.
Raven is still the better plane, I mean logically it should be considering its got way more years of improved technology put into it. Besides, the real difference between these two planes is that the Raven has Drones, the Falken does not, and while the Falken's laser is powerful yes, the Drones have a far better use in terms of pure versatility. Id rather have the Drones.
Can you give advice on how to use the FALKAN because the FAEB really just seems like a big UGB that’s slow to reload and I’m not sure how to use the tls properly
The FALKEN's TLS isn't any stronger than any other TLS in terms of damage (just reload speed), so it's nothing special compared to any other TLS. I never figured out the FAEB myself in most games. In AC4, I swear the HIGHER in altitude you dropped it from, the more fuel it could dispense and the larger its area of destruction would be. I got mixed results from using it in 5, Zero, and Assault Horizon Legacy.
That's pretty much what the UGB is in AC7. Just toss that goddamn thing onto clustered areas and watch whole battalions evaporate under that big hot fireball
Pretty much right on the money, the FAEB is just a really, really big boom. The TLS is just useless in AC7, didn’t realize that it differed between planes though.
imo the PLSL works better against almost targets, but in cloudy situation it goes nut. So I can say PLSL is better in major conditions, but you need to choose MG in some missions(Like Misson 7 or 17)
The Raven's pulse laser has half the distance and half the firing rate of the laser pod weapon and it's still affected by clouds. It's a necessary drawback that doesn't make it that much stronger than most guns.
So is the TLS the same power on the FALKEN? I was hoping that it would be back to its original OP strength from the pre-Assault Horizon Legacy days just because it's the original plane that has the weapon built into it.
@@DrRussian really? there wasn't a timer on the screen, and both bombers seemingly blew up at the exact same time (including the DESTROYED message), but I did notice the Raven's bomber took longer for the explosion animation to pass.
@@DRCEQ There was a timer, look below the aircraft. although it wasn't a timer per say but was counting the pulses the TLS does. Falkens laser is slightly more powerful, but not really noticeable in gameplay.
In a one vs one fight the falken lost 90 on 100 time. Raven has better defense and better stability and a better firepower. The tls of the raven is not its main weapon so its irrilevant. The tls of the falken il better but in a dogfight vs quaam or Uav is simply lost... And raven has psls that it's a better laser weapon, more effective and more easy to use. The adf 01 also possees xlaa missiles that in a dogfight are not very useful.. So imagine to have to face a raven armed not with tls but with quaam or (better) with uav. Falken has no time to target the raven with tls that it's already dead.
True, I will agree on that but the downside of raven is that it was never meant for pilots to use while falken can be controlled either on the pilot seat or simulation chamber so even if raven has better survivability and armaments if the falken has a better pilot, raven loses big time.
I know what ya saying... The raven just feels almost too big. The weapons are pretty awesome and the jet is everything a superjet should be but it just feels kinds wierd
@@metalhammer303 same, and the front-on profile annoys me, cause you can see the gap between the RAW-F body and the cockpit module. other than that the infinite ammo plsl is very fun.
Mike bijuu to how many pounds Force lbf for SI units this is expressed in kilonewtons to each fighter jet engines. Based on this the Falken's WWX-GD 425 seems to be higher thrust version than ADF-11F GD-425 engines
Sure brings back Ace Combat 5 memories, AC7's graphics really have done the FALKEN justice.
Indeed.
Strider skin for the FALKEN is Sexy
Yup, though for me its ACZ. Using the Falken against the Excalibur always feels amazing.
I'd still take the X49 Night Raven over these any day of the week.
@@fireofdamocles9017 Everyone has their preference.
Archangel Actually How does Ace 07 Give the Falken Justice ??
I’d say it’s The Opposite ! The only Improvement is The Visuals and Even THAT is not Faithful wen the Coffin Cockpit Little Dots Don’t Light up
Ace Combat 07 sucks there’s TOO much Missed opportunity and Half Complete Effort In This Entry And Fans DONT or WONT SEE THAT
I feel like this should be clarified
Ace Combat Fan is comparing how the two planes fly In Gameplay, this in and of itself doesn't indicate the FALKEN is better, just that it flies better.
Both planes, were designed with two ideas in mind, the FALKEN was a fast attack superiority fighter, while the Raven was meant to be a heavily armored defensive aircraft with incredible duration and Durability and defensive options, like it says in Aces At War, Quote "The Ultimate in Survivability"
Two Planes, Two Different Purposes.
Two masters of the skies
Your insight is invaluable, as I know there are fans of both planes and like both or either or for their own characteristics. Thank you for going out of your way to leave your insight
The Falken is also more geared to ground attack with its FAEBs, while the Raven is almost a pure dogfighter, geared towards killing fighters
This
@@weldonwin mission 15 is even more of a breeze with FAEBs on the Falken than the previous strat of YF-23 and UGBs, overall introducing the Falken as a multirole rather than a devoted fighter is very welcomed.
Does anyone know if aircraft in AC7 perform differently at different speeds and/or altitudes?
Still, the Falken has the superior cockpit view.
The Raven cockpit gives me sadness. Like why just the hud view only blue?
@@KoolKyurem25 Because the Raven is supposed to be a step closer to the COFFIN technology seen in AC3.
@@KoolKyurem25 play the Japanese version of AC3. In the far future of 2040, jets are flown Ghost in the Shell style by plugging into it with a brain jack, the cockpits are solid as the pilot sees through cameras on the hull.
The pilot becomes on with the plane, while the FALKEN is the first step in this direction (a self enclosed cockpit surrounded by cameras and display screens like some scifi space fighter) the Raven is the latest step. In that the pilot sits in the cockpit like the FALKEN but has a helmet on transferring camera view right to you. If you're a gundam wing fan, it's like the Wing cockpit vs the Epyon cockpit
@@KoolKyurem25
Raven=Edgy depression
Falken=High-tech American Chad freedom
I was so sad they didn't give the raven a similar cockpit
yall talking bout defenses and stuff but you dont need defenses when you aint gonna get hit.
-This post was made by high maneuverable aircraft
Thus...Morgan :)
CoolPsyco *cough cough* CFA-44 Nosferatu ACES *cough cough*.
Yeah, that thing I don't use even on Easy in any mission past Mission 4. It's risky using it outside of early missions. A death sentence regarding missiles.
Who's idea was it to make the End game plane, even a dlc version, have LESS armour than the starting plane?
Also, I played through most of Ace Combat 6 using the Tornado GR4. Notice I stress most, as I used Typhoon in Mission 13, Berkut in Mission 14, and Raptor (obviously) in Mission 15. All missions prior to Mission 6 are F16 with A10 in Mission 5. Nothing else.
You know it is bad when the plane with the highest defence in the game, being maxed out, the A10, takes 20% damage on Easy from the last four guns on the Chandelier after Shamrock sacrifices his wings to save everyone, with only one bullet! The ACES version of the CFA-44 takes 20% from a single shot from a PLANE in Mission 4!, on Easy! And it has no defence!
Yeah, I completely ditch armor parts for high maneuverability in MP. And high maneuverability also doubles as enhanced aiming for fixed weapons like the EML, TLS & MGP.
Also this one:
*Fenrir. Need i say more?*
You should do this for every fighter, I swear those MIG-21 stats are a lie
Lol true, sometimes I out turn f-22s in that little boi. The problem is armor and acceleration really.
Aint gonna lie lol mig21 is fking hard to shoot down with eml they are freaking small and agile
@@Ridiona small litttle spy
ArubaJacobs 115 i know right ?i was playing a tdm and I teamed up with a mig21 player with guns pod attached and he just demolishing the other team with it even though the other team was using rafale m and a f22 raptor
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_variants#Modernisation_%E2%80%93_generation_three_(1968%E2%80%931972)
_MiG-21-97:_
_"MiG-21-93 upgrade. MiG-21-93 re-engined with the Klimov RD-33 engine. The Russians have claimed that the evaluation at Ramenskoye Airport had shown that this version has beaten simulated F-16 in a mock dogfight with a score of 4:1.__
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_maneuver#Syria
Raven: defensive air-to-air
Falken: offensive multitask (both air-to-ground and air-to-air)
Raven: pure UAV
Falken: can be controlled by pilot from a simulator (judging by a first person)
Raven: maneuverability
Falken: speed
Hold on the raven has the coffin system which means it can be used with a pilot that's why no cockpit your head is the cockpit
Raven has a cockpit, it says in the menu where you choose your aircraft, something along the lines of, “specifically equipped to be manned”
Everyone loves magic spear
Magic Spear I to be exact. The guitar, percussion, and strings all in one.
Magic Spear II is also good tbh
Nah both are awsome
@@jpardoa94 i love magic spear II
you never say that the raven had pulse laser instead of gun and equipped with UAV and QAAM
Well were getting most the ADF series. The exception being the "Adler" That being said all i want now is the CFA-44.
I would love the XFA-27, personally, esp with ZOE being a plot point introduced in AHL.
The ADLER is an Attacker, meaning it can dogfight, but not very well. Expect somewhat lower mobility and a larger hitbox with those L O N K wings
Rip Infinity. Good times with ADLER.
Everyone wants the CFA-44, cus its goddamn ADMM
@@LectroAce Not specifically why i want the CFA-44, I like the way the aircraft looks made it one of my favorite aircraft of all time. That being said, the ADMM was nice to have in the campaign in Ace Combat 6. Being able to change the face of a battle with a single salvo of missile's was awesome. But this is coming from a guy who doesn't play multiplayer and probably never will. So yes i want the CFA-44 in-game but not for because of its ADMM.
I love the look of both of these planes though I do like forward sweeping wings more. Yet despite me loving durability above all else the Falken edges out as my favorite cause of 1. The forward sweeping wings and 2. The actual cockpit. I can understand the logic behind the Raven's but the blue filter just doesn't do it for me.
Glad to see the Falken is back. I've always enjoyed flying it back in ace combat 5.
The Falken performs better and has a more powerful TLS, but the Raven has a PLSL in place of the standard gun, allowing it to deal more damage per second. The Raven has UAVs making it more dangerous against ships, while the Falken has thermobaric bombs allowing it to easily devastate Aegis Ashore units and clusters of other ground targets. The Falken can target more aircraft at once with its 4AAMs, but the Raven's QAAMs allow it to make quick work of conventional jets and UAVs alike.
the engine sound of the raven is better imo.
but the falken's laser sounds better
@@autumnalfragrance5059 a futuristic hair dryer lol.
but still it sounds unique compared to the others.
These gen5 jets or gen6
I would also like the ADMM to have a comeback in Ace Combat 7. It's incredibly effective for spreaded-out/scattered ground targets.
yeah but its accuracy was nerfed to hell in Assault Horizon, so trying to take out air targets would be harder.
Its almost useless in Assault Horizon because of nerfing. Unlike in Ace Combat 6, its overpowered so its fun to use.
@@carlojoselitochua2954 Yeah, and adding it to AC7 would guarantee it'd still be near useless, if the precedent of the nerfed damage to the Tactical Laser System from Assault Horizon Legacy that carried into Infinity and 7 is any indication.
@@DRCEQ I've recently found that there are separate stats/specifications for single player and multiplayer as evident in mods. So they should make it overpowered in Single Player in order to make it fun while they can nerf it all they want in multiplayer.
@@DRCEQ hey, I come from the future, they made it pretty well balanced.
personally i prefer the falken just for the FAEB. in mission 15 if you get the timing right you can catch mihaly in the blast radius at low altitude between the buildings and severely damage his plane.
That thing shreds in mission 7, I’ve been stuck waiting for more enemies to spawn with it.
I'll still take the Raven. It has higher survivability, PLSL, and its UAVs make mincemeat out of bosses
The falken's argument is invalid. Raven is the best
but has a drawbacks, Raven's PLSL is going to be useless if dogfighting into the clouds unless you use any different aircraft with conventional weaponry.
Still hoping for the king of the skies to be added, the Nosferatu.
Juggernautdemon In the glorious Strigon skin
With dual gunslinger EMLs hehehehehehe
@@Timebomb787A Strigon eh? The Squadron was disbanded years ago.
Strigon 008 Some live on under different names and affiliations. Didn’t expect to see another.
@@Timebomb787 I'm the original and first Strigon.
Hmmm.... it seems that the Falken has slighty better movility than the Raven, although, it's obvious since the Raven is much more bigger and massive than the Falken, however, it's remarkable how the Falken still performs really well despice of being aircraft build up in the late 90's while the Raven is from 20 years later, those Grunder scientest from those years where the best that Belka haved to offert it seems xD
This is AC bro, Belkan magic don't age.
Fun fact: I'm from a future where CFA-44, XFA-27, ADFX-02 Morgan and lots more have been added to AC7
FALKEN still legend
Raven is the new one and being as drone for final mission
Bagas Wicaksono but the special weapon TLS is weak...
Jorge Sepúlveda Hernández actually is useful but very annoying if use tls for multiplayer such as tdm and br (ffa)
Bagas Wicaksono it deals less damage. More size, more defense, UAVs, in the cost of firepower, mobility and speed. Its not meant for full on dogfighting.
To be fair, the FALKEN used to be the drone final boss of a previous game.
Avalos Altair Miraos The ZOE Falken, yeah.
(as a matter of fact i feel like that version of the FALKEN is much more aesthetically pleasing, feels like the cockpit's position was a tribute to the Morgan.)
At high speeds (approximately 2500 or higher), the mobility of the ADF-11F will be highly reduced then other aircraft.
I rlly love this aircraft,in Ac5 he is a legend,im happy to see this plane on newer AC games
The Raven was surely designed by someone in Texas. The canards always make me laugh because they look like big horns that every cowboy has on their ‘73 Caddy convertible.
Please compare them with the X-02 too.
Also, I wonder if there are aircraft that "scales" better with multiplayer parts or not.
It was. Quite an unfair matchup, though. X-02 won.
if anyone was wondering which soundtrack this is, this is Magic Spear I. (From the game soundtrack)
Strange, the ADF-11 in the menu shows that it clearly has the better stats in everything
The Raven is longer. The game measured maneuverability by nose cockpit. Try to use tiny planes like F-5 or MiG-21 and their stat seemed like blatant lie.
That face when your nearly 25 year old predecessor is better than you in almost every way.
Except for defense, strength, firepower, Air to Air duration
The Raven was designed to be bigger for a reason, and an especially different reason.
Comparing the stats of two planes in gameplay isn't really a good way to tell which plane is better, according to Aces at War the Raven was designed to be a highly defensive aircraft that can take punishment.
@@andrewrogers3067 I agree, the raven is clearly the more advanced platform, it also reflects the difference in the equipment's role. It's kind of like comparing the F-22 with the Su-35S. The Falken still kept dogfighting in mind, and because of that, it needed to be more nimble because it still had to get up close and personal with a shorter range machine gun. Whereas the Raven prioritize beyond visual range combat , by replacing the gun with longer ranged PLSL, and relying on UAVs/QAAMs to establish air superiority rather than doing the dirty work by dogfighting. Now thats not to say it can't dogfight, it just not the number 1 priority. Also second you on the defensive remark, Raven is primarily designed to be unmanned, and carry out A2/AD missions, the entire design philosophy has changed from the falken to the raven.
Gin356a idc, the raven got UAV, that’s op. Lol
@@GIN.356.A There's also the Raven's highly modular nature. The cockpit (either manned or drone) is attached to a RAW body suited for the mission role, this not only gives it incredible versatility, but also allows the cockpit to switch to another RAW quickly if the prior one was damaged.
Gentleman Reaper I think they should add different RAW bodies after all aircraft come out, like a RAW-G body that makes it like the ADA-01 ADLER for ground attacks, or a RAW-E for electronic warfare, or even a RAW-X body with crazy new experimental weapons.
Can't say the ADF-01 FALKEN wins this one. While the Falken definitely has better A2G weapons, the Raven is WAY more versatile with it's UAVs, and QAAMs are god like in dogfights too.
Falken's got the cooler cockpit so it wins in a landslide in my view
I dunno, she seems to not want to slow down when in a dive, and I'm still not sold on her weapon systems (I could never hit a damn thing with the TLS for starters)
Falken will always be my favorite ace combat aircraft
But maybe in the next game there would be original Osean jets
Well the original Osean Jets were also Belkan original ones too since Osea captured gründer at the end of ACZ
Gründer Industries is Osean *wink*
Also cannot wait for the Morgan to come put!
A classic will be always a classic...
And that it enough.
I prefer the speed of a craft instead of load out so that’s why I use the Raven instead of the falken sure the falken accelerates faster but overall for me, Raven is the best
I wish that Ace combat 7 had all the plane from Ace combat infinity since I very very late to the party and never got the chance to used them.
Only a man can dream
Anyone else remember the XFA-27 Phoenix?
Yes, that's why it's in the second wave DLC.
Still waiting for the ADFX - 01 MORGAN
Yo buddy
Me too, me too
why my head just pop up pixy's sound
^ this comment
The Falken is like a T-65, while the Raven is an ARC-170
Hey, I got that reference. Although I’d say it’s more like the Falken is a Z-95, and the Raven is the T-65.
@@Slender_Man_186 I mean performance wise.
@@cac_deadlyrang I know, the Z-95 is a pure fighter, while the T-65 is a multirole. I’d say the ADA-01 is the ARC-170, leaning more heavily into the attacker role.
@@Slender_Man_186 I see what you mean.
0:49
Mmmm
That similar ace combat 3 HUD Raven has that virtually removes overall cockpit
>When you're supposedly the successor and the latest aircraft of the ADF series being especially customed to have unparalleled air to air performance, and your granddad outperforms you in about every way outside of a laser pew pew that gets nullified in clouds
The classic one will never die
Adf-11f is a whole new aircraft for the grunder company so it was expected to have some downgraded parts of the plane that still needs improvement, just saying
No. Compared to the FALKEN, the Raven was designed for a little more durability and survivability. The Ravens in the last mission fit the purpose.
As Aces at War mentioned, the plane is meant to be "the ultimate in survivability". And considering what happened to other superfighters that tried to shoot down the player, it was understandable. But, alas, the Raven, too, fell.
Thats right, but even as the ultimate power, the plane still have its limits from wich next gen will be produce and correct such limitations
Ayumu Futkai
*There it its! Fenrir!*
So the Falken performs better. But the Raven has pew pew lazers so...
So does falken
@@briant5447 Nah it has TLS. Which does turn the plane into a transformer, but it still sucks.
@@briant5447 he means Pulse Lasers, not the TLS. The Raven has Pulse Lasers instead of the machine guns that most planes have, but that’s about it’s only actual advantage.
やっぱりベルカの技術は偉大だったか
this brings back memories of a certain cartoon franchise from decades back. based on the side by side comparison and performances of both planes, i've come to the following conclusion:
the ADF-11F Raven is Dr Robotnik/Eggman, the ADF-01 Falken is Sonic.
watching those cartoons and playing the games in the years that followed were good times, good times indeed.
*feeling of nostalgia intensifies*
............ ok then
Falken is really OP in 7, in some few ways better than the Raptor.
The FALKEN looks cooler and has an awesome cockpit view.
The Raven just has the generic "Nothing" first person view with a colour filter. Laaame.
And yes, I'm aware that has nothing to do with how either handles, and I don't care.
The only thing I don't understand is why didn't they make the bar stats more reflective of the falkens performance? Like I know the bar stats in ac7 can be highly misleading as is but why not at least have the stats on par with/above the raven or something?
I imagine the Raven was supposed to be better, but gameplay doesn't reflect it well
I noticed that too, when I saw the bars I was like "wow the falken is shit..?" But it's not lol
Same here, I was dissapointed that the FALKEN is even slower than the X-02S stat bar representation wise at least.
The ADF-11F is very similar to the 6th generation fighter jet being developed in real life.
- Laser Weapon -
- No tail wings -
- Unmanned / Manned - Both controllable -
It's cool enough, but from an aerodynamic point of view, or from a stealth point of view, it's a very sci-fi design. What I want is aircraft designers to react to this fighter and realistically modified ADF-11F
the real life falken/raven its called the nasa and lockheed martin x59 quesst
X-49 NIGHT RAVEN >>>
The raven is basically a prototype COFFIN fighter
Still like the raven better in most missions.
Like what ?
Any mission with a "boss" fight and air v air heavy missions
@@Ares-wh5is how did you know? I am not even playing any of the Ace Combat games.
Raven: who are you?
Falken: im you, but with tail wings that looks cooler
Gründer industries brought the ADF-01 back, and improved it?
But the ADF-11 should be advanced as it was supposed to be
I blame Gründer
raven is better but the falken is sexier
looking at them side by side made me realize the raven has no vertical stabilizers (i highly doubt the belly fin can be considered one)
Hmm.... I'm thinking of angry bird skin for a plane does that make any sense ?
The falken has a much better interior.
単純な機体性能ならファルケンだけど、PLSLやUAVなどの武装を考えるとレーベンかな
Those are bootiful jets
I'd definitely choose the Falken over the Raven
There's no right answer about which aircraft is better.
One let's you use drones that'll even give Mr X a hard time...
Another lets you chuck a fuel-air bomb at Princess Cossette's face to save her from the nearby tanks surrounding her...
And yes, I speak from experience
One acts like a bomber, the other more of a fighter. That's as simple as it gets. They're BOTH GOOD PLANES BUT JUST DIFFERENT ROLES. Just like how with EVERY PLANE. You don't see a Boeing 747 doing Dogfights even though they fly longer and can carry more payloads. Or a Siena flying 60,000 FT in the air.
That kinda goes out of the window when the ADF11F is supposedly the cutting edge dogfighter for absolute air dominance, so is the FALKEN even though it has FAEB. Yet the supposedly older plane had better performance in all in-game measurements and a smaller profile making it harder to hit in the first place.
You should make a chart at the end of the video with all the data too for an overall comparison on the next video.
I really dont like that raven has a Snapchat filter as a cockpit when its basically the same module
I can agree on that apperently the ravens cockpit view is a 3D overlay so with 3D googles you can see some extra stuff i've been told. But I would rather have falkens cockpit view
Groza Dallocort
Bah excuses! LoL
They were just lazy
@@mrandrossguy9871 hahaha
Groza Dallocort
Heh I mean it’s basically Star Trek stuff , Optical Lens input - visual magnification or something
But I get it the Raven can let you see Through the Plane ,, or I thought of it as your just seeing it / piloting a Drone from a nice Cozy Base. BP 🕶 + 😛
@@mrandrossguy9871 cameras all around the plane
I wish the standard X-02 comes back. I like the X-02s but it's not the same :(
Same, I'm not a fan of strike planes. I mean what is the guy in the back seat even doing?
@@tennoshenaniganizer9234 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_systems_officer
@@tennoshenaniganizer9234 The WSO tends to be the guy who does the actual "Striking" in a "strike plane". If not, he plays a big part in helping the pilot do it. Some planes, like the F-14, can't be operated properly without that guy. Show your WSO/RIO the love they deserve!
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 so he's basically stealing the glory away from trigger. I mean trigger can fly and fight at the same time in single seated planes like the raptor, so why does he now need a backseat driver?
@@tennoshenaniganizer9234 Well for one thing, as I noted in the previous comment, some planes *cannot be flown by one guy.* Using the same example, the F-14 NEEDS two pilots in order to be flown into combat. It's radar is too complicated to deal with while also flying and fighting the plane. In fact, the entire back seat is dedicated to operating the radar. Making that plane work is a team effort. Secondly, the WSO helps take a load off of the Pilot. You make it seem like he's a nuisance getting in Trigger's way when you call him a "Backseat Driver" but that's not fair at all to WSOs. Even when the pilot decides to do all of the work, the WSO still serves a valuable role as a second pair of eyes. On some planes he can even fly the plane himself if the Pilot can no longer do it for some reason.
Good to see the one I prefer the look of does better in the areas I need it to
Hey Ace combat fan, can you do this will all stock aircraft?
Raven is still the better plane, I mean logically it should be considering its got way more years of improved technology put into it.
Besides, the real difference between these two planes is that the Raven has Drones, the Falken does not, and while the Falken's laser is powerful yes, the Drones have a far better use in terms of pure versatility. Id rather have the Drones.
How about their sub weapon, the raven has PLS, meanwhile falken only has standard machine gun if i remember correctly
Both have the same fuselage
Can you give advice on how to use the FALKAN because the FAEB really just seems like a big UGB that’s slow to reload and I’m not sure how to use the tls properly
The FALKEN's TLS isn't any stronger than any other TLS in terms of damage (just reload speed), so it's nothing special compared to any other TLS.
I never figured out the FAEB myself in most games. In AC4, I swear the HIGHER in altitude you dropped it from, the more fuel it could dispense and the larger its area of destruction would be. I got mixed results from using it in 5, Zero, and Assault Horizon Legacy.
That's pretty much what the UGB is in AC7. Just toss that goddamn thing onto clustered areas and watch whole battalions evaporate under that big hot fireball
Pretty much right on the money, the FAEB is just a really, really big boom. The TLS is just useless in AC7, didn’t realize that it differed between planes though.
How about the pulse laser gun vs the old gun?
How about the machine gun-plsl
imo the PLSL works better against almost targets, but in cloudy situation it goes nut. So I can say PLSL is better in major conditions, but you need to choose MG in some missions(Like Misson 7 or 17)
The Raven's pulse laser has half the distance and half the firing rate of the laser pod weapon and it's still affected by clouds. It's a necessary drawback that doesn't make it that much stronger than most guns.
Adf-11f one of my fav
So is the TLS the same power on the FALKEN? I was hoping that it would be back to its original OP strength from the pre-Assault Horizon Legacy days just because it's the original plane that has the weapon built into it.
Actually, the Falken TLS is stronger. It took the Raven TLS 5 pulses to kill the bomber, where the Falken took 3.
@@DrRussian really? there wasn't a timer on the screen, and both bombers seemingly blew up at the exact same time (including the DESTROYED message), but I did notice the Raven's bomber took longer for the explosion animation to pass.
@@DRCEQ There was a timer, look below the aircraft. although it wasn't a timer per say but was counting the pulses the TLS does. Falkens laser is slightly more powerful, but not really noticeable in gameplay.
@@DrRussian Oh I didn't even notice the counter at the bottom. Thanks!
Big boi and a fast boi
the only way a casual player is even able to finish this insanely hard game!
The raven should be a lot faster
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Falken based on the Morgen, and the Raven based on the Falken?
The Falken is based on the Morgan while the Raven is kind of a next generation version of the Falken
Imma guess the falken isn't manned
Is this 2 aircraft dlc?
In a one vs one fight the falken lost 90 on 100 time. Raven has better defense and better stability and a better firepower. The tls of the raven is not its main weapon so its irrilevant. The tls of the falken il better but in a dogfight vs quaam or Uav is simply lost... And raven has psls that it's a better laser weapon, more effective and more easy to use. The adf 01 also possees xlaa missiles that in a dogfight are not very useful.. So imagine to have to face a raven armed not with tls but with quaam or (better) with uav. Falken has no time to target the raven with tls that it's already dead.
the only advantage is the tls from falken more powerfull
True, I will agree on that but the downside of raven is that it was never meant for pilots to use while falken can be controlled either on the pilot seat or simulation chamber so even if raven has better survivability and armaments if the falken has a better pilot, raven loses big time.
Id prefer the Falken over the Raven anytime
TYVM for this now i gonna buy falken
can't mess with Belkan technology.
The FALKEN will always be my personal favourite. The Raven is a good plane but I dunno..something about it just turns me off.
I know what ya saying... The raven just feels almost too big. The weapons are pretty awesome and the jet is everything a superjet should be but it just feels kinds wierd
@@metalhammer303 same, and the front-on profile annoys me, cause you can see the gap between the RAW-F body and the cockpit module. other than that the infinite ammo plsl is very fun.
@@metalhammer303 The RAVEN is like 28-30 meters long, just the cockpit plane alone is as big as the F22, of course it's huge because it really is huge
Holy crap that TLS cooldown
Wait if falken has superior Performance here why hugin/munin got op speed and maneuverability ?
Because plot.
@@schul9169 damn right
Drones, without a human onboard planes are capable of even more extreme manuvers as long as the wings and fuselage can hold together
Imagine if Munin and Hugin has as Special ECM that creates false target boxes since ADF-01 ZOE in Usean Rebellion War.
まあ、カッコイイから全部許せる！
Sometimes I forget that these are two different aircraft.
Is the falken worth it ?
Hey Ace Fan !,
Now could you do the Same simultaneously Split comparison but with Different Ace combats ,!
Say the Trinity??!!!
I want Nosferatu from AC6
Mike bijuu to how many pounds Force lbf for SI units this is expressed in kilonewtons to each fighter jet engines. Based on this the Falken's WWX-GD 425 seems to be higher thrust version than ADF-11F GD-425 engines
Ace combat fan, production for bandais falken re release was canceled!
I wish the fallken had uav
That's the standard performance that doesn't show G tolerance not to mention the difference in Pay loads
Payload and G-tolerance for the playable DLCs are the same
@@周生生-f1f no its different per aircraft mate
while the Falken is better in most ways
i love the look and manuverability of the Raven
Raven come equipped standard with Pulse Lasers. It wins by default and your argument is invalid