Hopes DASH-ed? | PILOT's DHC Dash 7 | Full Flight Review | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video, we take a look at the PILOT's DHC Dash 7, within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We'll be operating a real-world routing, taking the aircraft from Maniitsoq (BGMQ), northbound towards Sisimiut (BGSS).
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
ASUS Z790
Intel Core i9 13900K 5.8GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
64GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight! 
Игры
The nice thing about this add-on, is the developers are listening to the customers. They are releasing patches all the time addressing issues that people find. They are already on release 1.25 in just over a month....so that being said, eventually, we will have the product that it needs to be. Its actually really fun to fly and works well in an area that doesnt have a lot of products developed yet. Happy STOL flying everyone.
How is it after two months ?
4 months later and still many of the switches are missing sounds.
Yes, they’re really “listening”.
@@joelmulder Systems and flight modeling have seen some fixes ?
@@jowenjv4463 Yet it still doesn’t feel particularly great to fly.
Seriously, how hard can it be to add sound effects to switches? The sounds exist, the switches exist, so why not just add them?
Great review as always, ITBS. The Dash 7 is perhaps my favourite civilian turboprop, and because of that I was a little fearful of how well it would be represented. So far, I'm reasonably happy with it, but I hope PILOTS does some development work. Not just the obvious things like documentation, textures, taxi speed and so on, but maybe the combi version of the aircraft, complete with cargo door. Generally, I like this Dash 7, but I am left wondering what it would have been like had it remained fully with Sim Works Sudios. As said, future development and polishing is the key to this model's success - it could become a bush-flying classic in MSFS.
Thanks very much once again, Paul! I’m happy to hear that you’re enjoying the Dash 7 (particularly if you’re fond of the aircraft); it’s not a terrible product, just not the great one that we were all hoping for (as you say, I’m sure if it had been an SWS project from start to finish, we’d be looking at a very different addon!). Hopefully, PILOT’s will continue to put in the work and flesh the Dash out a little more.
Many thanks for watching and happy flying! : )
Was really looking forward to this one. Won't be adding it to the collection yet. Your review confirmed my initial feelings. Thanks a lot again. Very helpfull and thorrouw as always
Hello Dennis,
My pleasure on the review - I’m glad you found the video to be of use! I think many of us were looking forward to the Dash 7, so it’s rather a shame that the aircraft just isn’t up to scratch at the moment. Hopefully, PILOT’s will continue to work on the addon; waiting to purchase, is probably the best course of action for the time being (I’ll most likely revisit the Dash at a later date). . .
Many thanks and all the best! : )
Thanks for the review. From what I could see and hear during the flight, the review was very fair. I can forgive a lower score on visuals because my own imagination tends to step in and make up for any deficiencies but not so with sounds. Engine, touch down sounds, brakes, and even the switch sounds are all critical to me. When in poor weather, it is comforting to hear the "click" of a switch while your mouse cursor is weaving all over the panel so you know you activated something. (Whether it was the right "something" is another matter). While this is not the most expensive aircraft, there's a few that have been released that are of a similar price or cheaper, and have been better finished. This Dash 7 looks like it could be a fun regional airliner, hopefully it will get the updates it deserves. Thanks again for taking the time for this review - have a great weekend.
Spot on Mr Squirel, I couldn’t agree more; excellent visuals are always nice to have of course but, sounds play such a huge part in immersion. Mario Noriega’s C22J is a prime example - not the prettiest aircraft by any means but, one of the most immersive and enjoyable options in the sim because, the little Ventura just sounds the part and flies the part! The Dash 7 could be brilliant fun but, PILOT’s still have quite a bit of work to do first. . .
A pleasure as always! Many thanks : )
There’s already an update. Version 1.10a -Support for PMS50 GTN
-GNS Model -
Transponder fixed.
- All Models -
Implemented new realistic inboard and outboard wing spoiler logic.
Wing edge strobe lights fixed.
Fuselage belly strobe light fixed.
Flap retraction automation implemented.
New parking brake clickspot on button.
Fixed engine 4 thrust lever mapping for gust lock.
Thanks for the info GSP! I do plan to revisit the Dash 7 at some point but, I’ll wait until the addon has a few more updates under its belt.
Cheers, all the best!
@IntotheBlueSimulations In case you want to revisit the Dash:
Patch 1.20 was released November 10th, fixing:
- All Models -
All armrests now animated via clickspot on the front of the armrest.
Integrated clickspot on Copilot armrest to hide/show the Copilot.
Fixed Copilot side heading knob.
Fixed reversed autopilot pitch wheel animation.
Fixed reversed course and heading knob animation.
Fixed Captain side DME gauge brightness control.
Revised ground spoiler warning light logic.
Repositioned tooltip label for engine starter button.
Repositioned tooltip label for engine selection switch.
Repositioned tooltip label for yoke hider.
Fixed bugs in engine 3 sound code.
Fixed bugs in engine 4 sound code.
Revised brake presssure gauge code.
- GNS Model -
Screen flickering issue revised and eliminated.
- PMS50 GTN Model -
Fix for operability from Cold & Dark startup.
PMS50 GTN dials and push buttons animated.
PMS50 GTN dial and button sounds added.
- TDS GTNXi Model -
TDS GTNXi dials and push buttons animated.
TDS GTNXi dial and button sounds added.
Before that, patch 1.12 fixed:
Support for PMS50 GTN added.
- GNS Model -
Transponder fixed.
- All Models -
Implemented new realistic inboard and outboard wing spoiler logic.
Wing edge strobe lights fixed.
Fuselage belly strobe light fixed.
Flap retraction automation implemented.
New parking brake clickspot on button.
Fixed engine 4 thrust lever mapping for gust lock.
Hello Morten,
Thanks very much for the heads up! I will almost certainly be revisiting the Dash at a later date but, I’ll wait until PILOT’s have a few more updates under their belt first (such that there’s a bit more progress to show the viewer ; )
Cheers and all the best!
Deeply appreciate your very fair and accurate review. I could not agree more with your assessment. I look forward to many improvements to this module.
Thanks very much, William! I’m very happy to hear that you feel the review broadly hit the nail on the head (it’s a shame that I couldn’t find more positive things to say regarding the product). Let’s hope that PILOT’s do indeed continue to put in the work though, it has to be said, the addon still has quite a long way to go. . .
Cheers and all the best! : )
Always enjoy your reviews ! Thanks so much ! I was lucky to get a flight deck ride on a Brymon Dash 7 from Jersey to Heathrow back in the day ! It was really cool ! I hope that Pilots improve this and then I’m sure it will find its way into my hanger ! 👍🙏🏻❤️👨✈️✈️
Ah very cool, Lee! As you say, hopefully PILOT’s will continue to work on the Dash 7 and the addon will be developed to a point where you can enjoyably re-live your memories of the aircraft : )
I’m really glad you enjoyed the flight. My pleasure, many thanks and all the best!
The nostalgia is strong with this one! As a kid I used to regularly have the jump-seat flying from Plymouth to Heathrow via Newquay and back. Just for that reason, I think I'll be buying this - although I for one would need some documentation! Great review as always, thanks!
Ah very nice, Adam. I’m sure that made for a very memorable impression as a young lad! Who was that with then?
Well, I do hope you enjoy the Dash then (it’s not a terrible addon, just not a great one either)! I believe there is a real-world FCOM kicking around online so, if you can find that, it should somewhat make up for the lack of documentation.
Happy flying and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations My adventures were in a Brymon Airways Dash-7 before they were absorbed slowly by BA and BEA, eventually being rebranded into BA City Express. I think Brymon's Dash 7's were used to test approaches to London City before it was opened. I do remember one of the captains I used to fly with strongly resembled Count von Count from Sesame Street and knew it, entertaining me with "Engine one start ha ha haaaa, engine two start, ha ha haaaa" - strange what lives with you 40 years later!
Understand this 7's not great, but I think I'll indulge anyway!
Haha, good times! For better or worse, you don’t seem to get too many characters in aviation anymore. . .
I’m sure it would be great to re-live some of those flights; if you squint, I reckon the PILOT’s Dash 7 will do the trick ; )
Cheers, Adam!!
Despite the addon, your thorough reviews always impress, with excellent locations and visuals along the way! Many thanks
Thanks very much Myles, very kind of you to say! I always try my best to make the flight an interesting one, even if the addon doesn’t always quite hit the sweet spot haha.
Cheers! My pleasure and all the best : )
Your videos remain the best for solid info. Before I buy a plane I always watch ten reviews - 2 from other people and your review 8 times. 😅
Haha! Well, thanks very much, PF! That’s high praise indeed although, poor you, for having to listen to me on repeat ; )
I’m really glad that you’re finding the content useful. Much appreciated and all the best : )
This is why you are my go-to reviewer.
THX
Thank you very much FG! Very kind of you to say and I’m really glad you found the video useful. My pleasure and all the best! : )
You have saved me a load of Quid by having me not purchasing any rubbish aeroplanes over the years by your Spot on reviews Thank You . Having a real pilot do a review is always a good thing.
Haha, very happy to hear it, Mike! That is the “raison d’etre” of the channel overall, I suppose ; )
I’m glad you continue to find the content useful / beneficial. Cheers!
Thank you for another great review! I was looking forward to flying the ol' Rocky Mountain Airways flights in the Dash 7 across Colorado, but I'll hold off due to its current state. I hope we see more turboprops in the sim eventually. Convair 580, Dash 8-100/300, Beech 1900 just to name a few. Thanks again!
My pleasure James, cheers!
Yes, holding off is probably the best call for the time being (unfortunately) but, hopefully PILOT’s will come good eventually (we shall see).
I’d love a few more turboprops in MSFS also. I was watching some vids on the HS748 the other day - there’s an aircraft I would love to see a decent rendition of within the sim!
Many thanks and all the best : )
your videos make me wanna play this simulator again😁. great work dude
Haha! Well, I’m very happy to hear that Cesar! I certainly try and make videos that encourage more people to get (back) into flight simming : )
Happy flying and all the best!
Bought the Dash-7 today and getting to grips with it. I really enjoyed flying it thanks to your great vid (and a Pelita Air operating manual - for the real aircraft! - online.) Yes, it has its flaws as do most aircraft in the sim and no, it’s not ‘study level’ but it’s enough of a challenge for me (a non-pilot irl) to set it up and fly it. Similarly, the BAE 146 and LVFR Airbus (A318, A320, A340) are enjoyable simulations on X Box X. It’s all subjective of course but I’m happy that MSFS manages to cater to a very wide range of different aircraft enthusiasts and simmers.
Excellent review. I actually flew on a Dash 7 once, an Air Wisconsin night flight from Toledo to O'Hare. Noisy and slow but, still, an interesting and unusual airplane. Let's hope the developer buffs it up in the near future. I really want to buy this, just not yet.
Thanks very much, Jay! Ah that’s cool, I’m sure such a flight would have been quite an experience haha. Well, it’s a shame that the PILOT’s Dash 7 isn’t quite there yet; hopefully the dev will continue to work on the addon - I do plan to revisit the aircraft again at a later date (maybe by which point, the aircraft will be in a decent enough state that you can enjoyably recreate your trip).
Many thanks for watching and all the best! : )
Excellent video,,thanks,,just bought this so another learning curve😅
Thanks very much Graham, my pleasure! Happy flying and all the best : )
Good review. In the 80s, I logged 800 hours in the Dash 7, all as First Officer. Amazing aircraft! Your approach speed seemed normal for the flap setting. You correctly noted that the deck angle seemed high on approach. Having a "hard" wing, a normal approach profile would have been a bit nose-down. I've noted the same thing on a freeware version I use in FSX.
You might try a full flap STOL landing. We used to do them at KDCA, runway 33, hold short of 36, ref speed 65 knots, Captain's landing only. Your landing was great! The Dash 7 was a hard plane to land smoothly. Have you ever done a review on the Shorts 330? I've got a say about that thing!
Thanks very much for the info 9deebee, always great to hear from those who have some time on the real aircraft!
Very interesting, that some of my observations matched up with your real-world experience; clearly the flight model could use some more work then. It was a tricky addon to land nicely, so I guess PILOT’s for that right at least haha.
I did go on to review the Shorts 360, I’d love to hear your thoughts then, if you have the time (and if you haven’t already done so - I’m just catching up on comments at the moment): ruclips.net/video/57gbqM9hLVU/видео.htmlsi=synYK2NWTZ0wiAY7
Many thanks again and all the best! : )
Another beautiful flight! Well done as always. 5x5!
Thank you very much once again, Aaron! I’m really glad that you enjoyed the outing. Much appreciated and all the best : )
Another solid review, number one reliable RUclips reviewer for the community 👍
Thank you very much for the kind words, Tony! Very much appreciated : )
I’m really glad you’re continuing to enjoy the content / find it useful. Cheers and all the best!
I love the Air Greenland livery.. such a wonderful airline!
Yeah, it looks really nice doesn’t it, MZ! I see that Air Tindi have taken on at least one of the ex-Air Greenland Dash 7’s and have kept the red paint scheme - that looks really nice also : )
Cheers, all the best!
As usual, another great review! I must say that I find your reviews invaluable because I'm the kind of buyer who is far too easy to please, LOL. Only after I've bought a product do I realize that I should've been more particular in my assessment.
That's why your reviews are among the best, if not THE best I've ever watched. For that reason, you may expect to see a donation from me shortly after I post this comment.
For me, choosing to buy an addon aircraft depends a lot on just how much time I want to spend throwing switches as opposed to getting in the air. That said, I also tend to weigh the price tag to the level of quality and as I write this, I've yet to check on the cost of the Dash 7.
I have no idea what the price for it is at this time but I think I will probably buy it if the charge is $25 USD or less. On the other hand, I agree that it seems strange for the developer to overlook, ignore, or otherwise consciously choose not to apply the sounds of the toggle switches to the entire system.
I'm not a programmer but it seems to me that a simple sound feedback subroutine wouldn't be very hard or even time consuming to add to this aircraft. There were some other things such as the rear gear's hydraulic animation when you touched down. I don't think I saw it animate any compression when the plane came to rest on the runway.
If it did, I must have missed it but as I said, if the price is $25 USD or less, I'll probably buy it because I always liked this plane. The DC3 still remains my favorite real-world airplane but the Dash 7 was always a close second for me.
Thanks again for the review!
Rich
Thank you very much for the kind words Rich and indeed your very generous donation (I wasn’t able to put 2 and 2 together at the time but, I assume your donation was through Paypal?)! I know it sounds cheesy but, it really does mean a lot, that people value the content to such a degree.
Funnily enough, I was always the exact opposite when it came to purchasing addons; when I was at the height of my simming “obsession”, I was also a poor kid / student haha, so I had to be very choosy with what I purchased / which addons were going to give me the most value for money. These days, I purchase A LOT more addons of course (primarily for review purposes) but, perhaps that’s where my “natural” tendency to review things comes from haha.
I guess you will be aware by now but, the Dash 7 is indeed $20, give or take. I do think the addon could be much improved from what it is but, for that sort of money, one can look past a lot shortfalls. I enjoy the Dash 7, I just wish PILOT’s had paid a lot more attention to the finer details (especially given that they had access to the real world aircraft). Assuming that you did pick up the addon, I do hope you’re enjoying it!
Many thanks once again! It’s very much appreciated. Happy flying and the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes, I donated it from my PayPal to your PayPal account for $15 USD on Nov. 11. I think your reviews are easily worth more but you can be sure it won't be my last donation to Into the Blue Sims.
Actually, I did go to the Pilot’s website and saw the Dash 7 price well within my limit. However, I didn't buy the Dash 7 because I was still undecided. Then about an hour after I watched this review on the Dash 7, I happened to catch your review of the Wing42 Boeing 247D.
In a strange way, the 247D reminds of my favorite plane, the DC3. That, and your review helped me to decide to go with the 247D instead of the Dash 7.
I installed it a few days ago and took the 247D for a flight. It was every bit as good as your review indicated and even though there are a few small things that can be improved, (as you had mentioned), the plane’s quality was still far better than the price would have one believe!
Perhaps the developer will have a chance to get to those details at some point but IMO, the 247D as it is right now, is worth more than what Wing42 is charging for it.
After I flew it in several inclement weather conditions mixed with day & night scenarios, I began to think that I must have paid more than the $20.xx USD that I thought I paid. The quality of the textures and the fact that nearly everything in the cockpit was functional made me suspect that I paid more than I remembered.
It took me a little while before I finally remembered that the 247D didn’t have any flaps, lol. (I kept listening for the flaps to be deployed when I would set them from my controller until it finally sunk in).
Rich
Always enjoy your reviews and other videos! This is the type of aircraft I'd really enjoy in MSFS but I only really enjoy the top shelf of quality. I support developers who aren't study level but deliver great value on interesting aircraft (AzurPoly is an example) and I'd love to have faith in something like this, but I'm well past spending money in hopes things will improve.
Couldn’t agree more Josef; not every dev can produce Carenado textures, or A2A systems but, quality is quality (AzurPoly being a great example!) and we have enough choice within MSFS these days that, there isn’t much incentive to purchase mediocre addons (not that there’s anything wrong with doing so, if one so wishes). The PILOT’s Dash 7 isn’t “bad” but, neither is it great and with so many other addons out there, it’s quite hard to justify spending the money on at the moment (hopefully PILOT’s will turn that around).
Many thanks for the kind words! All the best : )
Thanks for the fair review. Are you gonna do a video about the SD3 that just silently released?
My pleasure, tb5005! I very much plan on taking a look at the Shorts, yes. I do have quite a backlog of addons to cover at this point haha but, the Shorts is high on my list of priorities : )
Cheers, all the best!
I got this last week, and I do like it, but you have noted those issues I noticed (the lack of good documentation and checklists), I was looking forward to this as I did not have a large short haul turbo prop (the ATR does not work on my machine), on my sim. The taxi issue is silly to say the least, I end up taxing using only the outboard engines in low flow, with the inboards in feather, this results in not so grazy a taxi. I notice the gear retraction sound is much too short. The props do need to work with the prop control of one's controller, cause as it is the single lever operation stinks. Prop sync would be very nice to have. IAS on the autopilot does seem to work, and it works muck like FLC on other autopilots. The reverse thrust does not seem to engage until the nose wheels is down. I think that is pretty dumb, but might be real world. I do notice engines 3 and 4 are much quieter than 1 & 2. I noted that the weight and balance of the plane is all off. Adding any cabin weight results in the aircraft being out of CG beyond the the aft limit. I truly hope the devs of this clean up this product, and get an in game check list, and there being a better PDF manual. I like flying this mod, but it does need work as you note.
Well, I’m glad you’re broadly enjoying the addon, Pythos. I’m in the same boat; it’s not a “bad” addon but, clearly it still needs a lot of work (and will probably never be right up there with the very best). An almost complete lack of documentation, is a little unforgivable and apparently PILOT’s stated that’s “due to the fact that nobody reads the manual” haha (a very poor excuse, if true). The taxi issue is silly, but manageable and I did notice the same with the gear retraction sounds but, forgot to mention it during the video (given that PILOT’s had access to the real aircraft, I was hoping that they would ace the soundset). It may well be true to life that beta range can only be engaged with the nose wheel on the ground - I seem to recall that there are other aircraft where this is the case. I really hope that PILOT’s continue to put in the work. We shall see. . .
Happy flying and all the best! : )
Hope they give it a lot of updates and docs
Thanks -Too many excellent aircraft in my hangar to purchase a mediocre one.
Tip - if the low price fooled you on FN333 Riviera (inibuilds), I hope you consider a review. 100 page manual, and even a 1 hour long tutorial here at youtube on this little cute Seabee clone. Love it.
Cheers Øystein! Yep, it’s a very valid point that you make; we have enough (quality) choice now in MSFS, that mediocre addons just don’t cut it any more. PILOT’s did make the point that it’s “only” a $20 product and at one time they would have been correct. Unfortunately for them though, simming has changed a lot and $20 will get you a number of quality addons these days!
The price certainly didn’t have me fooled (I loved Mario’s C22J, so I’m sure the Riviera is excellent) but, the aircraft isn’t really my cup of tea (it’s design is just a bit too ugly haha). Cheers for the suggestion though!
Thanks as always : )
IRL Your Welcome for another Great Canadian aeroplane .
Haha! Indeed, Mike. Thank you Canada! : D
lets hope the Majestic Dash 8 is just around the corner
Thanks for the flight. The plane is lacking some as I can see. How are you moving around the cockpit so smoothly?
My pleasure BSP! The Dash is indeed lacking in a number of areas, which is a real shame. Hopefully, PILOT’s will be putting a lot more work into the aircraft.
So far as the camera movement goes; I'm using a head-tracking device called "TrackIR" for the camera movements. It's great, although a little pricey. There are cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, should you wish to give it a go for yourself : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
Another interesting presentation....Thank you so much... Despite the few bugs the Dash 7 seems a great aircraft... Hopefully it will be released on Xbox Marketplace sometime soon...Roger...Pembrokeshire..
Hi Roger. this is now available on Marketplace for XBox 😁 I’m considering buying it to add to my ‘fleet’. I’ve flown on it a few times irl when FlyBe operated them. Grae, Torfaen 👍
@@graeabarth2227 Thank you so much... I've just had a look.... It's a good price too...I really fancy buying it... I always worry that I won't be able to cope though... I appreciate you letting me know.... Hope all is well.... Roger
@@rogerrees9845 I had the same thoughts about the JustFlight BAE 146 but it has been very interesting working through the older tech (radio navigation for example). It’s a challenge to fly but worthy of the effort say, compared to the Airbus.
Thanks for another great review, what a shame the product wasn't better. Looking on the bright side, you've saved me a few pounds so thanks for that too!
Haha, my pleasure PM! Happy to have been able to help you invest your simming funds wisely ; )
It is a shame about the Dash; hopefully the product will continue to see improvements but, it still has some way to go at the moment. . .
Many thanks and all the best!
On the real Dash 7 pilots taxi only using two engines (either side - either outer pair or inner pair). That will solve the aircraft pulling too hard when taxiing in the sim version and therefore quite accurate. You might advertise this fact as I see that there have been many complaints. The aircraft is however underpowered in the sim. Best to increase the thrust_power from 1 to about 1.2. This then gives max speed of 231 kias at 7,500.
Hi Flodge,
During the taxi in, I did configure the aircraft with the two inner engines feathered and the Dash still picked up speed at an (what I presume to be) unrealistic pace; the only reason I didn’t configure as such on the taxi out, was because I was already at the holding point for the runway. I do understand that turboprops will produce quite a bit of thrust at idle power but, is it really going to be enough thrust to almost get you up to Vr (that was the case with V1 of the Dash 7)? I don’t know if you flew V1 of the addon but, I think my comments at the time were fair. It may however be that PILOT’s have subsequently addressed the issue.
Cheers for your feedback though. All the best! : )
The Flightsim 2004 virtual cockpit textures is the biggest killer on this one.. Staying away until they learn to get with technology..
I would agree BFMC; the cockpit texturing is the biggest thing holding the addon back. The texturing is such, that it basically needs re-doing from the ground up but, I doubt we’ll see that happen unfortunately. Probably best to stay away for now, yes. . .
Cheers, all the best!
RE: Prop Condition - You noted that there was no way to move them collectively and also were using the mouse. Can you not map those to control levers on a controller? That would be a heck of a bug IMHO.
Actually Kyle, I believe that you can (though I only found this out after recording the video - one of the pitfalls of not offering a proper manual); apparently, the props can be assigned to the mixture axis, which would of course negate the issue that I had.
I hope you and yours had a brilliant time over the Christmas period! Cheers and all the best for 2024 : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations we're blessed and have had a wonderful Christmas. May God bless you and yours into 2024 and beyond. Thank you for your great reviews and videos.
Hi. Any news about the crasy high taxi speed. Thank you for every great video.
Hi Botchi,
Do you mean, has the issue been fixed yet? No fix yet, so far as I’m aware. If one keeps the 2 condition levers in Low Flow and the other 2 in the Feather detent, then the aircraft can be taxied around more “reasonably” to be fair however, you can nearly get to Vr at idle thrust with all 4 condition levers set the highest detent so, clearly there is an issue there with the flight model haha (I imagine it will eventually be corrected though).
My absolute pleasure on the video(s)! Thank you very much for watching and all the best : )
Thank you. The same problem with the TBM now after the latest update. My Hotas at lowest RPM setting, but still to fast. So I have to lower it with the mouse pointer.@@IntotheBlueSimulations
Hello again Botchi,
Does your HOTAS throttle position, correlate with the throttle position that you’re seeing in the sim? Perhaps it’s a hardware / calibration issue also? I’ve had no issues with the TBM personally although, to be fair, I haven’t flown the aircraft since the most recent update. If I recall correctly, idle position on your hardware throttle, should actually put the TBM into the beta range (so I don’t think the aircraft should be running away as it is).
Apologies, but it’s very hard to offer up any firm ideas, without knowing all of the details regarding hardware, aircraft configuration etc.
All the best once again : )
Isn't this the same developer that had a hissy fit on your review video of their Boeing Clipper?
Seems you were correct all along.
Haha! It miiiight be CplK. . . ; )
I was willing to give PILOT’s another go and was in fact very much looking forward to the Dash 7. Unfortunately, the product hasn’t done much to sway my opinions on PILOT’s work.
I tried my best to keep the review “professional” but, I did have to bite my tongue rather hard, in not pointing out the hypocrisy that a dev who previously accused me of “not having read the manual”, this time barely provided a manual at all XD
Still, it’s a shame, as I know that many of us were looking forward to a Dash 7 within the sim.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Wow.... seems just half done...
I love DHC aircraft but will wait to add this one to the collection.
Unfortunately, that is pretty much the case, Oifel. PILOT’s have continued to work on the aircraft but, in my opinion, it still has a long way to go. . .
Cheers, all the best!
Do you use any reshade for msfs cause it looks preety Realistic
Hello Evan,
I don’t use any reshade with MSFS, no. I do spend a lot of time adjusting the time of day and weather in my videos, as both can make a huge difference to how MSFS looks and I also add a little bit of vignette to my external shorts during editing.
I’m glad you think things are looking pretty good visually. Cheers and all the best! : )
Thanks for a great review. I was really looking forward to this one, but it feels like a missed opportunity as it stands. The launch price is “realistic”, but do I want to buy something I’m not going to fly because the alternatives I already have are so much better? I think I will end up waiting, but if its anything like the Embraer, the right moment to buy may never come. There’s a big message to developers in these types of launches - if you can’t compete with the best, you might as well not bother.
My pleasure on the video Steve, I’m glad you found it useful!
Alas, I think many of us were looking forward to the Dash 7 but, the addon has turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment (thus far). Of course, PILOT’s will hopefully continue to develop the aircraft, to a point that we’re all happy with but, I think such development will take quite a lot of further time / effort.
I think you raise a very valid point; competition in the sim these days is very stiff and as such, it’s quite hard to justify splashing out money on a mediocre addon. We’ve seen a number of single-man dev teams create some absolute masterpieces so, it doesn’t leave a lot of room for addons with lacklustre execution. I can get onboard with a dev that’s trying their best and listening to community feedback etc but, PILOT’s (sadly) often seem to blame everyone but themselves for their shortfalls. . .
Cheers, all the best! : )
Hello there. Being a northern worker in canada i was asking myself if the dash 8 will be added as an addon being the most popular plane of the dash serie. It would be fun to pilot the plane i flew so much for my in and out from my mine. Thanks
Hi Louis-Philippe,
As I understand it, “Majestic” are currently working on brining their Dash 8 over to MSFS; it’s not an addon I ever had the chance to try in P3D but, I’ve only ever heard excellent things. So yes, we should see a quality Dash 8 in MSFS, at some point : )
I hope that helps. Cheers and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thank you for the answer im looking to it haha until then im flying is 4 engine brother 🤗 and nice video as always have a nice day :)
You’re most welcome! Cheers and happy flying : )
Thanks for the review. What is the source of the scenery? Very realistic I thought
You’re most welcome Wayne, my pleasure!
The scenery was default although, the airports were freeware mods (available from Flightsim.to). Greenland does look pretty good in the sim (at least the parts that I have explored) and this video was recorded just before the most recent World Update so, it should look even better now haha.
Cheers, all the best! : )
Thank you.
My pleasure, Wayne! : )
Am quite enjoying the plane but here’s the response from Stefan I received when asking about certain sounds and possible fixes:
“Why exactly should we be "fixing" things, which exist, namely the "clunk
noise"?
The problem is, that soooo many "experts" having no clue are reviewing the
aircraft badly!
That is the Flight Idle Gate opening and closing dependig on weight on the
wheels. That is an original sound from Air Tindi and happens to sound in
every Dash 7 aircraft.
Why the heck someone could even think a thing like that would be missed by
the testers or our quality management at all?
The uneven sounds are per design atm and will be changed over time of
course.
This aircraft is a 20 bucks piece and not an 80 bucks thing from PMDG! Why
is everyone expecting it to work like the real thing at this price?!!
Cheers!
Stefan Schaefer
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It’s a bit attitude-y no?
It’s very “attitude-y” to be frank haha. I must say, I try not to get involved in any personal conflicts and keep each review as objective as I can but, Stefan seems to take criticism far more personally than he probably ought to (given that most feedback is legit) and tends to rather “shoot the messenger”. He chewed out my review of their B314, stating that it was ill-informed; 1) I don’t believe it was and 2) that wouldn’t have invalidated most of the specific criticisms that I made anyway. To my mind, an important part of any decent product, is good customer service and PILOT’s seem to be somewhat lacking in that department at the moment.
Clearly, the Dash 7 has some issues at the moment. I hope that PILOT’s will acknowledge the weaker areas of their product and set about fixing them. I don’t claim to be an “expert” but, I was blessed with functioning eyes and ears haha (if the uneven sounds are by design, then why are they changing them??).
The addon is indeed $20, which is “fair” but, unfortunately for PILOT’s, there are a lot of other $20(ish) addons which are vastly superior and therefore customers have high expectations these days!
Either way, I’m glad you’re still getting some enjoyment from the aircraft (as am I)! Let’s hope that PILOT’s continue to put the work in, even if they do grumble about it along the way haha.
Happy flying and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations my thoughts exactly.
I just purchased the dash 7 and it’s pretty good minus a few things.
I have question for everyone , is it possible to open the rear passenger ramp? It there a key for that ?
I’m glad you’re enjoying the Dash, EH : )
So far as I’m aware, there is no keybind for the door; you have to work your way through the cabin (using the cockpit cam) and actuate the door from the inside of the aircraft.
I hope that helps. Happy flying and all the best!
Ahhhh I didn’t even know you could do that from inside the cabin , thx for the info I’ll try it out later
You’re most welcome! Cheers : )
after their very lacklustre release of the clipper B314 in MSFS, (Which as far as I am aware STILL has yet to receive an actual gyro pilot) my opinion of PILOT'S is very low.
Sadly Peter, I would have to agree with you. It would be one thing if PILOT’s was trying their best and maintained a positive attitude towards the community (I could get onboard with that) but, instead they seem to blame everyone else for their lacklustre products; if they can’t identify the route cause of their issues, nothing will ever be satisfactorily revolved.
It’s a real shame, as I was looking forward to the Dash 7.
Cheers, all the best!
I had already bought the Dash 7 before this review but hadn't had a chance to fly it, so this review came to late for me. However I think it has potential and Pilot's have already released an update, so I'm hopeful of more to come. If they correct the operation of the systems currently simulated this will become a good aircraft to fly. Not study level but fairly realistic. There is a lack of systems dependency on electrical and hydraulic power state. Spoilers should not stay up with no hydraulic pressure, for example. This is essential behaviour even in default aircraft.
I found a Dash 7 FCOM online which answers a lot of questions I had. Pilot's have got the ground spoiler logic wrong. The spoilers should be retracted in TAXI mode, not UP as currently. When you select FLIGHT before takeoff the spoilers extend (illuminating the amber cautions) and will retract when either throttle 2 or 3 are set above 80% NG. In flight operation appears correct.
According to the FCOM, No. 1 and 4 condition levers should be in MAX for taxi with No. 2 and 3 remaining in FEATHER but that's still too much thrust in this sim. I found putting No. 1 and 4 to NORMAL FLOW keeps ground speed under control, though you still need to dab the brakes to keep speed below 30 knots. All four levers should be in MAX for takeoff. The rpm and T5 settings used in this video work very well for climb and cruise.
Thanks very much for your thoughts / info, Kevin!
I’m sorry that the review came a little late in the day but, I’m glad you’re still getting some degree of enjoyment out of the aircraft (as am I). There is certainly still a lot of work to be done on the addon and I do hope that PILOT’s deliver the goods (though it has to be said, I gather their track record is pretty hit and miss).
Funny that you mention the spoiler logic. I was lined up opposite a Dash 8 the other day and noticed he was lining up with his spoilers extended; I nearly made a call on frequency to let him know haha (it’s not something I’d ever noticed on the Dash before) but, saw the spoilers retract as he started to come up on the power.
The Dash 7 does seem to be way overpowered on the ground, you can almost reach Vr with MAX RPM and the throttles back at idle haha. I’m glad you found the power settings useful : )
Thanks again and all the best!
Thanks, I don't regret buying the Dash 7. Please also see also my other comment. I've been in contact with Pilot's support about the things I found and they are going to update them. As for taxying, if you use beta range you can get manageable thrust and taxi speed.
Thanks for a nice review, only saw bits i am afraid but yeah, this is a ghard pass sadly with so many others comming out.
Will you do a review on the Sherpa by black box? Seems that one droped silently too.
Cheers Coenraad, you’re most welcome! Haha, no worries; I’m sure it didn’t take too long to figure out that the Dash 7 is not (sadly) particularly stellar, currently. As you say, there are many other, better options for that sort of money.
I’m not sure whether you had a chance to watch it but: ruclips.net/video/57gbqM9hLVU/видео.htmlsi=Owdr_1MznhsBFrEj : )
All the best!
Did you have to calibrate throttles? Whenever I prepare to land and maybe decrease the speed, nothing happens at all whatsoever... Did you change anything?
Hello Üro,
I didn’t have to make any calibration or control adjustments, ahead of flying the Dash, no. If your controls are working fine with every other addon, I’m really not sure what the problem could be (unless PILOT’s most recent patch, has caused issues that I didn’t experience during the review).
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. I do hope you manage to get things sorted!
Also having issue when taxi on the runway, I gain so much speed its so hard to even hold it under 15 knots lol..
Yeah, that’s a real problem with the addon currently (as mentioned in the video). If you leave 2 props feathered and the other 2 in low flow / rpm for the taxi, that should make things much more manageable : )
Cheers!
Interesting, question is…worth the money, specially without documentation
Hi Ronnie,
In isolation, the Dash 7 is ‘okay’ for the price. The problem for PILOT’s is, one can find far superior MSFS addons for similar sorts of money, if not less so, overall, I don’t really think the addon is a particular competitive offering. The almost complete lack of documentation, was certainly a disappointment also. It’s a shame, as I was really looking forward to the aircraft. . .
Cheers, all the best! : )
Thank you for the review. Its a pass for me. Can you do please the new FSReborn Piper M500 review?
You’re most welcome RJ, cheers!
Just finishing up a review on the FSR500 at the moment. I should have a video out by the end of the week : )
Many thanks and all the best!
You should hear the turbo prop gear box clutches engage with a loud thunk.
Thanks for the info Andrew. If that’s so, then it’s unfortunately one of the many aspects of the Dash 7, that PILOT’s has failed to capture (a real same, given that they had access to the real aircraft). I know that the product will continue to be developed so, I’m really hoping that the soundset (amongst other things) sees some drastic improvements along the way.
Cheers and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations lol That is completely untrue, there are no "clutches" in that reduction gearbox 🤣
Is this compatible with the world planner?
Hi JM,
The Dash 7 does include an option to install the in-sim GNS530 which, in theory, should pick up a sim flight plan just fine. I haven’t tried the functionality for myself though (and the product manual doesn’t detail anything) so, once again, I would perhaps suggest getting in touch with the dev / checking the forums to make absolutely sure.
Cheers!
Did you ever try the Majestic Dash 8 in P3D ?
Nuff said. 😂
The Dash 7 isn’t as good as I hoped especially with the lack of documentation. If you don’t have the ATR get that instead there are videos for the ATR from real ATR pilots.
was this recorded
in 720?
Hi Scott,
Nope, 1080p. Unfortunately though, the lighting / climatic conditions within the video, don’t seem to have been handled very well by RUclips’s video compression.
All the best!
Damn...not a good day, was looking forward to that but thanks for the info...they released the f28 on the xbox then it quite literally fokked off...no sign of it.... terrible day 😒
Yes, quite an unfortunate series of events. The Dash was rather a letdown (annoyingly) but, at least if you’ve managed to avoid it, it’s money well saved. I heard about the Fokker; I’ve no idea what happened there. . . Is it back yet (I’m sure it will be at some point)?
All the best, sir!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thankyou, it's not there yet, however we have a flight replica spitfire, it really is excellent. The Merlin's sound on this model is superb, all the best to you too.
Ive gotten quickly spoiled with “study level” aircraft…..whatever that might mean specifically, not sure anyone knows. But either way, when all functions work, and texture details are reasonably realistic, I will absolutely have it. At this point I only fly a handful of aircraft in the sim because of it. I just find myself continually moving away from aircraft lacking details
That’s a very valid point, Jay and I suspect there are many other MSFS users that feel the same. There are a number of truly great addons available for the sim these days, to the point where one really needn’t settle for mediocrity within MSFS anymore. I feel a degree of sympathy for those devs who haven’t been able to keep pace with more modern production standards but, that is unfortunately the way the world works and some devs clearly put in more effort than others.
Cheers, all the best! : )
The penny has dropped. Controlling taxi speed requires use of the throttle beta range in addition to leaving two propellers feathered. This is typical turboprop behaviour. If you leave the throttles at flight idle thrust will be excessive.
Pilot's have already issued several updates to the Dash 7 and the simulation is improving. They are clearly actively supporting its development.
Hi Simprove,
It wasn’t so much that the penny dropped; the only reason I didn’t configure as such on the taxi out, was because I was already at the holding point for the runway. During the taxi in, I did configure the aircraft with the two inner engines feathered and the Dash still picked up speed at (what I presumed to be) an unrealistic pace. I do understand that turboprops will produce quite a bit of thrust at idle power but, is it really so much that you can almost get the aircraft up to Vr (that was the case with V1 of the Dash 7)? Either way, it is great to see that PILOT’s are continuing to work on the aircraft.
Cheers for your feedback. All the best : )
I'm sorry, I meant the penny had dropped for me. I'd forgotten all about beta range, but using the Black Square TBM850 addon reminded me (though there it's automated). Thanks for all your great videos, by the way.
Ahh, apologies Kevin - I misunderstood you that one haha.
My absolute pleasure on the videos, I’m really glad you’re enjoying them! Thanks very much for watching and all the best for 2024 : )
you said it all, "Pretty disappointing."
Yes, Daniel; sadly, that would be a more condensed way of describing the addon haha : /
Cheers, all the best!
Ah that’s a shame but hope indeed that they work to improve it. For me, areas like missing sounds on flight deck switches is hard to see past.
It is a shame, Mark; I was really looking forward to the Dash 7 but, the addon is pretty mediocre overall. Let’s hope that PILOT’s continue to put in the work. . .
Cheers! : )
Imagine if they had put this effort into a dash 8
No point, Majestic will release their DFash8 Q400 for msfs in the futur and it will be study level as their p3D version can be used for pilot trainning
@@CMBelite-FR Yeah, within the next 10 years?
that's a safe guess@@jeff90210
Is it for Xbox also ?
Hello Mikael,
I’m afraid I’m not sure. Is the PILOT’s Clipper / B314 available on the console? If it is, I would suspect the same will be true of the Dash 7 at some point : )
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best!
This is such a shame and such a missed opportunity honestly. They worked on this for so long with the help of SWS and they can't even be bothered making it a good airplane and just go for the quick money grab, effectively blocking the market from a decent Dash-7. This is a similar situation to the ATR except this one not endorsed by Asobo.
Lots of great missed opportunities in MSFS sadly.,
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you Migui. PILOT’s had cooperation from SWS (an excellent dev) and access to a real-world Dash 7; the addon could have been superb but, is instead a rather lacklustre effort. As you say, the product will potentially deter other devs from attempting another Dash 7 also, which is a real shame.
All the best!
plase 2K video upload.
47:05 how much?
and how can it be 20-25y old add-on? do they just release patch for each new version of FS?
Work on this started back around 2016 for FSX/P3D and then it was shelved until PILOT's saw an opportunity for a quick cash grab. It's an old project and the touch-ups done to get it working in MSFS were obviously done on little/no budget.
Haha, clearly I need to annunciation better, Ora XD
The addon is currently 20 Eur-os (€), not 20 years-old hehe. €20 is apparently a “sale price” and the product will be increased to €25 at some point.
I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
Anyone know how this plane is in it's current version?
Hi Tim,
I’ll most likely do another video with the Dash 7 one of these days but, the short answer would be “not hugely different”. In fairness to PILOT’s, a number of updates / bug fixes have been put out however, the aircraft’s general level of quality remains much the same.
I hope that helps a little? All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks! Yes, I been considering picking it up for the $20.
You’re most welcome! : )
Will we see this one in Xbox?
I’m not entirely sure, Ivan (I haven’t heard anything from PILOT’s). I would say that if the PILOT’s B314 Clipper is available on the console (I’m not sure whether it is or not?), you can probably expect the Dash 7 and vice versa.
Sorry I can’t offer anything more specific on that one. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations ok tnk you man keep up the good vids
Cheers, Ivan! I shall try my best : )
Its great for 20bucks
So I took forever to release and it's basically below par . Shame. Wont buy it. Can we get a review for the inibuilds Mitsubishi mu2 ?
Yes, that’s basically it in a nutshell, Joni haha.
I definitely want to take a look at the MU2 - it’s in the Queue. I’ll be looking at the FSR500 next and then, depending on when SWS releases their PC-12, I’ll most likely review either the PC-12 or the MU2 thereafter : )
Cheers, all the best!
Not impressed by the quality from Pilots, will be avoiding this until a better dash 7 releases or even a dash 8!
Don’t blame SWS for this plane. I think they did limited work. The blame is on Pilots, though they already admit they fell on this one especially the sounds due to illnesses. Hoping they update it significantly. But hearing you hold this against SWS is unfair to them.
If they worked on it, they’re just as responsible for the quality of it. Don’t put your name on something if you don’t want to be associated with it.
@@vlxxrd4866 There's some context that is worth considering, though. PILOT's contracted this out ~5+ years ago for FSX/P3D and then left this thing rotting on the shelf until they saw dollar signs with MSFS and basically dragged this thing back out of cold storage, and I doubt SWS received much, if any, extra funds to bring this up to modern standards. This is twice now that PILOT's has thrown SWS under the bus for ancient, abandoned projects, and I don't think SWS is on good terms with them any longer.
Hope they give it a lot of updates and docs
SWS did the modelling, everything was Pilots as far as I knew? I have a vague memory it was going to be a purely SWS product by they sold it to Pilots, right? If that is the case that is truly disappointing. Especially after seeing the preview of their PC-12.
@shinkicker404 PILOT's commissioned SWS to create the visual model for the cockpit *in 2016*, then for whatever reason, PILOT's just never did anything with that. They saw an opportunity to cash in with MSFS and dragged this thing back out. SWS did some minimal work to make it compatible with MSFS, but from what I've seen, that was done out of contractual obligations on minimal/no budget. PILOT's has been intentionally weaselly with their statements on the MSFS forums to make this sound like SWS had more of a part of it in it than they really did, but it was just models, textures, and some basic logic for animations. Looking at the final result, you can tell the texturing in particular looks like it was done to last-gen sim standards, and that's because it was. PILOT's should've left it in the bin if they weren't willing to pay to have everything truly overhauled.
Why not a Dash 8? We seem to get nothing but historic stuff that no one has any real interest in. I mean, last calendar check said 2023, but my eyes could be bad.
I’ve been wanting a Dash8 since the sim released 😢
Hello Carl,
I wouldn’t say that there’s no interest in the historic stuff (quite the opposite in fact) but, granted, a lot more people probably would have preferred a Dash 8. I wouldn’t worry though; I gather Majestic have confirmed their Dash 8 Q400 will be making its way over to MSFS and whilst I haven’t tried it for myself, it sounds like the Majestic Dash 8 is probably one of the greatest sim addons of all time : )
Cheers, all the best!
you constantly slur through your speech, can barely understand a word
Haha. Fair enough, Scott - must have been those 2 bottles of whisky that I had XD
It’s a shame if you couldn’t get on with the content; I’d be the first to admit that I’m not the worlds best orator but, I’m afraid I can only work with what I have. . .
All the best
I’m shocked it’s mediocre, oh wait, no, no I’m not. 🫤
Haha. Dare I say it WhiteHawk, the addon was pretty much in-line with what I was expecting. . . unfortunately : /
It’s a real shame, as it’s quite likely we won’t see another Dash 7. I was happy to give PILOT’s a 2nd chance but, they haven’t done much to sway my opinion after what we saw with the Clipper.
All the best!