You got a bunch of things wrong here: 1. Distributed code revision systems, with central and local repositories, existed way before Git. 2. What took Linus to do Git was a policy change of Bitkeeper, which revoked its free license for Linux development. 3. Even from Sourcesafe and CVS, the most primitive RCSes I touched, I always have been able to see the whole history, identify who made what changes. Turns out Git sometimes even makes more difficult than other systems to see who made what changes, when doing merges of feature branches. And BTW, Git by making feature branching cheap, makes people work that way. And for people who has seeing stuff about Continuous Delivery, the DORA reports said that feature branching actually lead to more bugs and slower development than trunk-based development.
Weird question ask here, but can you explain the difference between trunk based development and branch based development? I know what branches are in the sense that they have all the code from the time they were created and then they can largely do their own shit until they are merged.
To add, the main reason git took over the world was not because it was revolutionary, distributed version control existed before and linux was using another flavor of it before with Bitkeeper. What made it took over the world: 1. Git was free, when git started to become popular it was quite common for companies to have their own internal git servers and they were not that hard to set up 2. Git was fast, especially for branching and merging 3. Git was "easy" to use (compared to other systems) 4. Git was used by the Linux kernel and therefor had an "entry" into the market, Linux kernel devs also worked in other projects and companies and spread git like a virus. Being free to use means less bureaucracy to adopt it 5. Other distributed version control systems were very proprietary and enterprisy. Git had the unix mentality for CLI tools and therefor was easier to integrate with (to set up build pipelines) than most alternatives at the time. The best source control solutions before git were often specific to certain OSes or compilers (and paid) making mass adoption impossible
As "correct" as you may be I say that in quotes bc I don't have the time to do research to see if it is or not. assuming you're right in this case honestly sure being wrong for a channel like his is bad but like FACE REVEAL! All these years just a voice and now a voice to his face and he's pretty dang cute too. If I go back and do research to see if you were correct ill edit this if not then you know I was dang to lazy to. thanks for reading if you did!
The thing with Microsoft though is they actually seem to understand that Google's original "Don't be evil" was a good PR move. Now it seems that Google is the evil big brother and Microsoft is the one who actually cares about the developers. Git is one example. VSCode is another. I still don't trust any corporation but for now MS is the one who is at least trying to win with devs.
And also, Microsoft is happy to give free/cheap access to personal users, as it will encourage them to champion for MS products (like GitHub, VS, etc) at their workplaces @@aaroncampf
@@rizkidotmefrom what I read and heard that was Google employees who didn’t want to work with the military, also how is working with the military evil ether way the U.S is still getting it’s contract’s fill by other companies
FYI: Microsoft internal networks don't extend to github, they are treated as a separate company in almost every way. Even hiring is complexly separate and moving from one to the other is treated as moving to a different company (except for calculating years of service)
I'm not fully sure... possibly to make sure probably just to make sure no one else buys it. I think their hands off approach was to calm other users of GitHub@@ubitubee
You're my inspiration. Can't overstate how much I love your content, man. Keep it up. How do you even manage to keep that pace? I make 1 video and run out of energy for months. Seeing the growth of this channel since the start is heartwarming, you're a great presenter, explainer and makes better videos than most documentaries nowadays. The editing is also top-notch and really grips you into watching the video.
@@LogicallyAnsweredI wish you took down that video and re-uploaded with the correct information. I spent nearly all day watching your videos, because they are great But this one is extremely bad and misleading. Other comments point out that it is very inaccurate, and you should do something about it.
Keep sharing these idea's Hari, its fantastic work helping so many to discover the underlying function and purpose of these companies. They have keep their true intentions in the shadows and its time for the truth to see the light. Many blessings to you and your team, yall deserve it!
Good video. But Linus created Git because of pressure to use an open source system, not out of any technical frustration from their old source control system, which Git is actually heavily based on. Also, I like background music in the video, I'm getting heavy Sense8 vibes :)
Just let u know I am working for a big tech company and It’s so fascinating to watch your videos. Thanks for release these videos so regularly. The quality has been still so good so far
There where many version control tools like Git that where created before Git, that had staging areas and where very much like Git such as Mercurial. Git was a revolution because of its mass adoption that also allowed for an ecosystem of tools
9:45 Note that Git and Piper at Google play entirely different roles. (Roughly speaking) Git is for open-source stuff, and Piper is for internal code. So there's never been a move "from Git to Piper".
Google did not move away from git to piper. They moved from SVN to git for open source projects (e.g. Chromium and Android) and they moved from perforce to piper for their closed source code base.
closings is true, all code should be open-source anyway, and copyright or patents shouldnt exist then i just use what ever to host the repo, its will already be public
Agreed! Bitbucket and SourceForge get very little attention from developers. Nitch market at best. GitLab is the only legit contender, but only popular among experienced DevOps engineers.
Factually wrong. Mercurial is simpler than git and is distributed like git (unlike CVS or SVN). The difference is that the Linux kernel uses git, therefore it is a safer investment to learn, because you know you will not run into weird bugs or software that doesn't scale. Also GitHub =/= git.
It's not that well researched. To someone who was doing open source past 15 years, the story in the video is more made up than how it really happened. Points are overly dramatized, one major event dropped, and state of the tech at the time too simplified.
interpreting , but what about the last 10% of the fortune 100, not to mention what is stored on Gitlab (both cloud hosted and on-prem (sometime internal policies forbids code from leaving the org (read DoD/Mod NSA etc))
Talking about git - It is brilliant I always wonder if git is more complex than Fb like social media ( I believe not complex than google , microsoft , linux or amazon for obvious reasons ) Think of social media, how complex it can go You have to create algorithm and just let machine learn itself and even if breaks only one company will bear that but , in git if it breaks world breaks! managing extreme no. of branches , work by thousands of developer at same time it's impressive and As you said "2 weeks of focused work could have solved it but nobody cared" He was the man himself the legend who did it "THE LINUS" - maybe not everyone's cup of tea
It's not that dramatic. There are several competitors (GitLab, BitBucket) and most companies host their own repository. Even if GitHub breaks, developers have a local copy that they could use to restore to origin. And comparing to other tech. My best reference would be with Blockchain/Bitcoin, but instead of coin references it is code changes (diffs).
"Code quality" 🤣 Microsoft has money, Linux has ideas and code quality. Everything Microsoft uses was written by someone else. They run their servers on Linux, they use Git for version control, they steal ideas from KDE Plasma(including the new floating panel design in W11 before it came to Plasma 6), they copy ideas from Linux of 20+ y.o. such as tabs everywhere. Microsoft is always the last to adapt anything really.
Here's what copilot has to say about this: Chrome and Chromium are not the same thing. They are both web browsers developed by Google, but they have some differences. Here are some of them12: • Chrome is proprietary, while Chromium is open source. • Chrome has automatic updates, media codecs, and Google service integration, while Chromium does not. • Chrome tracks browsing data, while Chromium is more privacy oriented.
you're the last nail on my coffin. If getting spooked out by being told today that microsoft will sponsor our software contest on my university wasn't enough, also i have to use their office 365 bs there.
This video for me was too slow paced. Even if I'm a dev and I like the story it was just too slow. Still thank you for creating this informative piece of history.
I can assure everyone if Microsoft is involved it’s shady. The thing is as long as people go along to get along Microsoft won’t ever feel the need to change their shady practices
There is no reason to do so. It's mostly public code. Real production code is not on GitHub. The video is factually incorrect. Check the other comments.
@@Dismythed That's fine with me. There are so many comments from people who believe what was said in the video, that I felt obligated to respond to some and tell them it isn't true. Glad you didn't fall for that.
No way there's 100 million developers out there... That's like the entirety of Germany. That's stupid, that's like 50 times the actual number of sw devs
You have a skill for seeing the big picture and a talent for explaining it well. With so much info out there it is no easy task to sift out the facts and piece together a coherent story. Bravo good sir
Information that I can't even fathom to know. Thanks for sharing your ideas, minding anyone that whats under the sheep clothes of this companies maybe something else...
I've only watched the intro so far, and already I'm terrified. No corporation should have that much power over the internet. Quite frankly, I don't trust Microsoft very much. Just look at Windows 11 which no one likes. Is that the company that we want controlling the internet's code?
Dude....if anyone mentionns giving your viewers a chance to skip the "waitlist" please decline in the future..... If they are so good....why am I good enough to skip the "waitlist"? Sure sign of a scam imo
You got a bunch of things wrong here:
1. Distributed code revision systems, with central and local repositories, existed way before Git.
2. What took Linus to do Git was a policy change of Bitkeeper, which revoked its free license for Linux development.
3. Even from Sourcesafe and CVS, the most primitive RCSes I touched, I always have been able to see the whole history, identify who made what changes. Turns out Git sometimes even makes more difficult than other systems to see who made what changes, when doing merges of feature branches.
And BTW, Git by making feature branching cheap, makes people work that way. And for people who has seeing stuff about Continuous Delivery, the DORA reports said that feature branching actually lead to more bugs and slower development than trunk-based development.
Mercurial (another DVCS) was also created in the same month as Git. Eventually Git won and became the de facto VCS for programmers to use.
Weird question ask here, but can you explain the difference between trunk based development and branch based development? I know what branches are in the sense that they have all the code from the time they were created and then they can largely do their own shit until they are merged.
To add, the main reason git took over the world was not because it was revolutionary, distributed version control existed before and linux was using another flavor of it before with Bitkeeper. What made it took over the world:
1. Git was free, when git started to become popular it was quite common for companies to have their own internal git servers and they were not that hard to set up
2. Git was fast, especially for branching and merging
3. Git was "easy" to use (compared to other systems)
4. Git was used by the Linux kernel and therefor had an "entry" into the market, Linux kernel devs also worked in other projects and companies and spread git like a virus. Being free to use means less bureaucracy to adopt it
5. Other distributed version control systems were very proprietary and enterprisy. Git had the unix mentality for CLI tools and therefor was easier to integrate with (to set up build pipelines) than most alternatives at the time. The best source control solutions before git were often specific to certain OSes or compilers (and paid) making mass adoption impossible
As "correct" as you may be I say that in quotes bc I don't have the time to do research to see if it is or not. assuming you're right in this case honestly sure being wrong for a channel like his is bad but like FACE REVEAL! All these years just a voice and now a voice to his face and he's pretty dang cute too. If I go back and do research to see if you were correct ill edit this if not then you know I was dang to lazy to. thanks for reading if you did!
@@Timely7 If you are willing to read wikipedia then you confirm the facts for yourself 😅, though ig most of the other points he said are true
The thing with Microsoft though is they actually seem to understand that Google's original "Don't be evil" was a good PR move. Now it seems that Google is the evil big brother and Microsoft is the one who actually cares about the developers. Git is one example. VSCode is another. I still don't trust any corporation but for now MS is the one who is at least trying to win with devs.
I think its more that Microsoft views developers as the customers, not the product
And also, Microsoft is happy to give free/cheap access to personal users, as it will encourage them to champion for MS products (like GitHub, VS, etc) at their workplaces @@aaroncampf
Microsoft didn't make Git, Torvalds did. They purchased github.
Microsoft bought github then released copilot a couple years later. I think we're just seeing the beginning of their profit plan.
@@rizkidotmefrom what I read and heard that was Google employees who didn’t want to work with the military, also how is working with the military evil ether way the U.S is still getting it’s contract’s fill by other companies
FYI: Microsoft internal networks don't extend to github, they are treated as a separate company in almost every way. Even hiring is complexly separate and moving from one to the other is treated as moving to a different company (except for calculating years of service)
So then why did they buy it?
I'm not fully sure... possibly to make sure probably just to make sure no one else buys it. I think their hands off approach was to calm other users of GitHub@@ubitubee
@@ubitubeeas a tool
@@ubitubee because when the profit comes it treated as a same company
You're my inspiration. Can't overstate how much I love your content, man. Keep it up. How do you even manage to keep that pace? I make 1 video and run out of energy for months.
Seeing the growth of this channel since the start is heartwarming, you're a great presenter, explainer and makes better videos than most documentaries nowadays. The editing is also top-notch and really grips you into watching the video.
Really appreciate all the kind words man! Hope that the future videos don't disappoint!
@@LogicallyAnsweredI wish you took down that video and re-uploaded with the correct information. I spent nearly all day watching your videos, because they are great But this one is extremely bad and misleading. Other comments point out that it is very inaccurate, and you should do something about it.
Keep sharing these idea's Hari, its fantastic work helping so many to discover the underlying function and purpose of these companies. They have keep their true intentions in the shadows and its time for the truth to see the light. Many blessings to you and your team, yall deserve it!
Too bad the video is mainly built of a factually wrong premise.
Good video. But Linus created Git because of pressure to use an open source system, not out of any technical frustration from their old source control system, which Git is actually heavily based on. Also, I like background music in the video, I'm getting heavy Sense8 vibes :)
Thanks for the correction man
Amazon is also following this path in AWS. Insane to think about!
Very true
Just let u know I am working for a big tech company and It’s so fascinating to watch your videos. Thanks for release these videos so regularly. The quality has been still so good so far
Thank you so much Justin!
There where many version control tools like Git that where created before Git, that had staging areas and where very much like Git such as Mercurial. Git was a revolution because of its mass adoption that also allowed for an ecosystem of tools
History rewards the greatest salesperson.
9:45 Note that Git and Piper at Google play entirely different roles. (Roughly speaking) Git is for open-source stuff, and Piper is for internal code. So there's never been a move "from Git to Piper".
Guy just pumping out videos faster than I can consume them :D Keep it going man. Maybe some more deep dives?
🙏
It’s crazy to think of the Hub as a background company. I end up on projects’ pages there all the time when researching different software.
Thanks Git, Github, Linus torvalds
--- All the Developers ❤
The editing and voice over are so on point,it feels lika a Netflix documentary
0:10 moment I saw this thumbnail I was like: "Oh yeah I know."
😂
Google did not move away from git to piper. They moved from SVN to git for open source projects (e.g. Chromium and Android) and they moved from perforce to piper for their closed source code base.
Hey Hari! Very cool to see you for the first time :)
can you do a video on how you do your research for these videos?
The current CEO of Microsoft has made this deal work. This wouldn't have happened during the Balmer years. Satya Nadella is a great leader.
closings is true, all code should be open-source anyway, and copyright or patents shouldnt exist
then i just use what ever to host the repo, its will already be public
No it shouldn’t. The creator of the code should get to decide if it’s open source or not, it shouldn’t be forced on them.
you are doing amazing content. It is a first chanal which is doing tech content so good
Well researched content, thanks for sharing, you remain one of my favourites RUclipsrs
Really glad to hear that man!
Linux kernel development did use something like git (version control) but because of the issues with it Linus made git.
6:18 There were (and still are) plenty of alternatives to Git actually. The thing is none of them were as simple, efficient or elegant as Git.
Agreed! Bitbucket and SourceForge get very little attention from developers. Nitch market at best.
GitLab is the only legit contender, but only popular among experienced DevOps engineers.
Factually wrong. Mercurial is simpler than git and is distributed like git (unlike CVS or SVN).
The difference is that the Linux kernel uses git, therefore it is a safer investment to learn, because you know you will not run into weird bugs or software that doesn't scale.
Also GitHub =/= git.
How you manage to research for such content in that short amount of time. Do you use any GPT scripts.
Great video as usual. Well researched and insightful video. Respect 🫡 from Jamaica 🇯🇲
Thank you Tony!
It's not that well researched. To someone who was doing open source past 15 years, the story in the video is more made up than how it really happened. Points are overly dramatized, one major event dropped, and state of the tech at the time too simplified.
Microsoft is so awesome and great video man :]
I think there's something up with the bass in this video
interpreting , but what about the last 10% of the fortune 100, not to mention what is stored on Gitlab (both cloud hosted and on-prem (sometime internal policies forbids code from leaving the org (read DoD/Mod NSA etc))
Thanks brother for another great video!!! Appreciate it!!!!
Thank you as always Daniel!
It incredible that someone frustration with something managed to creat a billions dollars program over 2 weeks
7:40 as a computer nerd I love this video already. More than your others.
Do you have a playlist of videos like this one?
Really glad to hear that man. Not a playlist specifically, but I’ll keep this in mind and make more videos in the same genre.
Be careful because the video has too many errors to count. Better read other comments or do your own research.
Thanks for the video, Hari.
Thanks Saanza!
Talking about git - It is brilliant
I always wonder if git is more complex than Fb like social media
( I believe not complex than google , microsoft , linux or amazon for obvious reasons )
Think of social media, how complex it can go
You have to create algorithm and just let machine learn itself and even if breaks only one company will bear that
but , in git if it breaks world breaks!
managing extreme no. of branches , work by thousands of developer at same time it's impressive
and As you said "2 weeks of focused work could have solved it but nobody cared"
He was the man himself the legend who did it
"THE LINUS" - maybe not everyone's cup of tea
It's not that dramatic. There are several competitors (GitLab, BitBucket) and most companies host their own repository. Even if GitHub breaks, developers have a local copy that they could use to restore to origin.
And comparing to other tech. My best reference would be with Blockchain/Bitcoin, but instead of coin references it is code changes (diffs).
Microsofts has the Code quality. Google has ideas. Together they would rip anything
"Code quality" 🤣 Microsoft has money, Linux has ideas and code quality. Everything Microsoft uses was written by someone else. They run their servers on Linux, they use Git for version control, they steal ideas from KDE Plasma(including the new floating panel design in W11 before it came to Plasma 6), they copy ideas from Linux of 20+ y.o. such as tabs everywhere. Microsoft is always the last to adapt anything really.
Shoutout to all the devs in the chat.
Who shoukd probably be working right now 😅😅
Whoah! Please check the audio. It sound different. Less crisp more bass to be exact. Especially on the introduction of the video.
Appreciate the feedback man
Good video as always, But technology companies can be hard to work out
Thanks Philip!
Thanks
Most corps are just extensions of the us military doing things that they wouldn't want others knowing or understanding...
13:17 Chrome isn't open source, Chromium is
^^
Here's what copilot has to say about this:
Chrome and Chromium are not the same thing. They are both web browsers developed by Google, but they have some differences. Here are some of them12:
• Chrome is proprietary, while Chromium is open source.
• Chrome has automatic updates, media codecs, and Google service integration, while Chromium does not.
• Chrome tracks browsing data, while Chromium is more privacy oriented.
you're the last nail on my coffin.
If getting spooked out by being told today that microsoft will sponsor our software contest on my university wasn't enough, also i have to use their office 365 bs there.
Satya Nadella sure has changed Microsoft. Hasn't he?
At 3:40, you have a clip of Snoot from @CoffeeStainStudios...
... I hope you got his permission!
If I were an AI, and I became sentient, Github would be the first place I’d visit.
pretty sure all AI models are already being fed all of github and gitlab code already
Even sadder IMO. @@siliconhawk
@@siliconhawk yeah. Their GitHub copilot AI/ML model is trained on their repositories. (not sure if it also included the private repo's)
glad you started showing your face bro. the videos seem more personable now. already had quality content to begin with.
Really glad to hear that Edward!
Richard Stallman for president! 🇨🇦🇺🇸
Lol in both canada and the u.s.? Sorry, it's late and both the flags and the image of him being president of both made me laugh 😂
Great vid, but please bro, you gotta EQ your audio 🤌
This video for me was too slow paced. Even if I'm a dev and I like the story it was just too slow. Still thank you for creating this informative piece of history.
DAMN look at that haircut i need me one of those lol
To me, not buying Github was such a big mistake for Google...
Well being programmer, this is so incorrect I don't even know where to begin with. Just don't deal with programming stuff. Please don't :)
The only potential competitor shot themselves in the foot to save 2 billion a year.
Great video as always
Thank you Balpreet!
I did not know that. Thanks.
Same
The video is factually wrong. Check other comments to learn the truth.
Do a video on TCS
Thanks for the suggestion Ram
This is the first video I've actually seen you in after being subscribed for years. You're so handsome 😍
the tittle should be "you dont know how powerfull microsoft really is"
8:21 Two different photos of 'chris'
embrace extend extenguish
It was really interesting to watch!
Thanks for the video!
Also tell how powerful is google
Where do google & fb merge their code?
I believe google uses piper
That's right.
8:20 Hey, change the name on the picture!
Well, he was right
Great video, Thanks
It feels like Logically Answered has used Git or interviewed someone that does, this is to spot on
Have used it quite a bit myself :)
I can assure everyone if Microsoft is involved it’s shady. The thing is as long as people go along to get along Microsoft won’t ever feel the need to change their shady practices
8:20 - wrong name
F in the chat for the inevitable EEE
time stamp 8:27 you messed up with two people named chris wanstrath...........................oops
8:26 - Chris Wanstrath Junior, Chris Wanstrath senior, J. Hyett and Scott Chacon.
Editor made an oopsie.
Oops
@@LogicallyAnswered dude needs a pay cut lol
Linux controls Microsoft controls GitHub, so goes on, what a mess
Why didn't Google or Facebook or even IBM buy GitHub?
There is no reason to do so. It's mostly public code. Real production code is not on GitHub. The video is factually incorrect. Check the other comments.
I like ur video but the audio on this one is a lil off
Appreciate the feedback jarrel
I don't think GITHUB is a background company to your viewers
The question is, how do they "control" virtually every app in the world?
The answer is "they don't". The video is factually wrong, should be taken down, and redone. Read the other comments to learn the truth.
@@lilhaxxor Too much to dig through. Besides, I asked it because I knew it was a flawed statement.
@@Dismythed That's fine with me. There are so many comments from people who believe what was said in the video, that I felt obligated to respond to some and tell them it isn't true. Glad you didn't fall for that.
I hope that this upcoming app won't be the turning point where the content turns more towards immoral profits...
Amazing video!
do a video on Rockstar
Thanks for the suggestion Fredrick
The drink company or the game company?
more coding stuff, love it
Glad to here that man
Linus Torvalds is pronounced Leenus
No way there's 100 million developers out there... That's like the entirety of Germany. That's stupid, that's like 50 times the actual number of sw devs
bhai ye baat bata tayko itni gajab accent kahan se mili
Man's never heard of svn
Dam Youve grown from the last time i saw your face on this channel
Love Your Content Bro
Love from South Africa
Microsoft has been low-key in the Tech world with most peoples focus being on Meta ,Google, Amazons ,Apple and Twitter (never calling it X😅).
Yep very true
You mean facebook?
@@miljanvisnjic4022 Yea Facebook 😆
Excatly
2:52 - 3:20. Hari I love you but I'm broke
No worries Prince, maybe in the future :)
You have a skill for seeing the big picture and a talent for explaining it well. With so much info out there it is no easy task to sift out the facts and piece together a coherent story. Bravo good sir
He is a great narrator but the content of this video is factually wrong. Read the other comments if you care about the truth.
Good video.
Please make a video about Instagram and WhatsApp founders feelings towards zuckerberg. Kevin didn’t say much about it in his interview with Lex.
Already have videos on both :)
So many things wrong about this video
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Welldone ❤😊
Information that I can't even fathom to know. Thanks for sharing your ideas, minding anyone that whats under the sheep clothes of this companies maybe something else...
fix your mic 🎙️
I've only watched the intro so far, and already I'm terrified. No corporation should have that much power over the internet. Quite frankly, I don't trust Microsoft very much. Just look at Windows 11 which no one likes. Is that the company that we want controlling the internet's code?
It truly is quite crazy
"Entire tech world"? You only mentioned US companies. The US is not the entire world
Ah, is GitHub not as popular outside the US?
it is @@LogicallyAnswered
Dude....if anyone mentionns giving your viewers a chance to skip the "waitlist" please decline in the future.....
If they are so good....why am I good enough to skip the "waitlist"?
Sure sign of a scam imo