Stephen Elop. That name still makes my blood boil a decade later. Nokia should've never gone all in on Windows Phone. Even as antiquated as it was people were still loyal to Symbian and Nokia. They should've tried out WP and Android like Samsung and went with what sold best. Meego was something people liked and wanted to see more of. "No, we're dedicated to Windows Phone."
Stephen Elop was planted by Microsoft to shift Nokia's focus to Windows OS from Meego. It was a mistake by Nokia to go for Windows instead of Meego, which was way better than Windows. This video is misleading.
Tbh they really had no choice. By committing to Windows Phone Microsoft gave the money necessary to keep the lights on and ultimately thanks to the purchase they were gone but the company was still in business and the bleeding stopped. I blamed Elop for years for killing Nokia but after I learned the situation before him and the fact that he was the one separating the mobile division from the rest of the company he actually saved Nokia and huge part of Finland economy, intentionally or not. Without him the chances or recovery with Android was very small because they had no money, and also very little employees wanted Nokia to blend in with Android, as they saw it unfit for mobile devices
The one I have with Android is pretty good, but still not the best and I can tell they cut some corners. If they had switched to Android sooner when they threatened it, I have a feeling they could have been one of the big 4 smartphone companies, perhaps instead of Huawei.
Nokia WAS dominating the phone market. Until Microsoft placed their own ceo in there to devalue the company and then bought them for peanuts and destroy the company.
The earlier Windows mobile platform was excellent. Basically Windows 2000 on a phone. It had a registry, very robust application support, and all the features and you would would want for pretty much any use. Windows Mobile was originally designed as a PDA, not a phone . Powerful applications were written for this platform, and it had the most enthusiastic third party support of any mobile device at its time. When Microsoft orphaned their Windows mobile platform in favor of Windows Phone 7, based on the Zune interface which was a joke, they discouraged many software developers from trusting Microsoft for future mobile device support. If Microsoft kept their Windows Mobile platform, they would currently be number one or two in the phone market. They managed their phone venture incompetently.
Microsoft started bad doesn't mean they couldn't have recovered and out paced the competition, they just tried to force too much down people's throats instead of learning from their mistakes and they paid for it. I rooted hard for nokia and lumia, windows had the power to challenge the iOS more than android. But it wasn't meant to be.
Nahhhhhhhh, MS was late to the smart phone market by a good 3 - 4 years. By that point, everyone who wanted a smart phone already had one. MS never stood a chance. There was ZERO reason for people to switch from their current iOS/Android phone to Windows phone. The app store was a barren wasteland. The most popular apps back then weren't on Windows phone, including social medias like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter... Even basic chat apps like Snapchat or Whatsapp were missing. A majority of mobile games on Android/iOS was missing. The entire Google-suite (Gmail, Google Docs, Calendar, Drive...) was missing so you couldn't even use it for work. It didn't even have RUclips. The platform that you're watching this video on, was NOT on Windows phones. So you ended up buying a smartphone that you cant watch RUclips on, cant post on social medias, can't chat with people, can't play games and also can't use for productivity. At that point, you might as well light your money on fire if you decided to buy a Windows phone and ditch your iOS/Android phone that could do literally everything mentioned above. Switching from an already matured platform like iOS/Android to an infantile platform like Windows phone would be a HUGE downgrade to literally everyone. There was no user adoption. Windows phones were like 2% of the entire market share. And since there was barely anyone using Windows phones, developers didn't care to develop new apps or port their apps from iOS/Android to Windows. And because 3rd party devs didn't care for Windows phones, regular people didn't either. It was a vicious cycle. Windows phones were DoA. The only thing MS could have done to save Windows phones was if MS entered the race before iOS and Android already already finished the damn thing. But this was MS under Steve Balmer's leadership that we are talking about here. Dude had zero vision for the future.
Microsoft planted Elop in Nokia in the first place. That's how potential Nokia savers (and Microsoft competitors) Maemo and MeeGo got sidestepped in favor of the DOA mobile Windows...
I was there at the beginning, and the real problem was Microsoft was selling their Windows CE for around $50 per device, and that was before Microsoft released Windows Phone. Microsoft still had the mentality to continue selling their Windows Phone, and then later Windows Mobile to hardware OEMs. Where as Android to all OEMs. Microsoft couldn't keep up with that because Android was flexible because Android was built on top of Linux, which is also free, but fully open source as well. Combined with Androids open source made it an unstoppable force, and it is why every mobile OEM at the time went with Android instead of going with Microsoft. Microsoft priced themselves out of the mobile market, and could not keep up with the fast pace of the mobile market. Over time Microsoft continued to drop the price of their Windows Phone and then Windows Mobile to be completely free. Otherwise it wasn't worth it for any mobile OEM to create any Windows mobile devices.
Nokia phones were so big desl back in a day to Finnish economy than when the fall of Nokia started, the GDP volume of Finland dropped almost 9%. By 2000, Nokia accounted for a 4 per cent of Finnish GDP, 70 per cent of Helsinki's stock exchange market capital. By 2013, it's percentage of GDP was 0,4% and stock exchange market capital was only 13%. Pretty hard downfall of a company which once handled around 25% of Finland's exports.
03:40 I have no idea how missed the mark so far, Microsoft was in the smartphone market since Windows XP, there were older versions of Windows Mobile before Windows Mobile 6.5, heck there were older versions of Windows Mobile 6.
I ran a repair business. I know people that LOVED their lumia phones but in my eyes they were lacking a lot but I didn’t see them completely going away. That was surprising.
Hari, my question is completely irrelevant from the video but it'll help me and possibly others in their studies and learning new stuff. I am a very early subscriber and have seen you discuss very broad topics with great precision. How do you research things, go deep into them and learn new stuff for basically every video. Do you take notes or study it for sometime and what resources you learn from (video, articles or books) ?
Really appreciate your support man! To be honest, I don't have some sort of secret technique or something. I think a lot of it just comes with practice of researching and writing a bunch of scripts. I always link all of my sources in the description. Maybe that would be helpful.
If Microsoft makes a phone with a store that is not tied to their internal payment service it will be successful with companies, and they will just add their apps. They don’t want to pay the 30% surcharge on the App Store. Add PWA as a native and they could potentially have a lot of apps ready to go.
I have a Nokia now, but I seem to have gotten one of the best recent ones, because the XR21 is a downgrade from the XR20. I don't like Windows in general, so I waited to go with Nokia until they went with Android. I only really found it because I wanted something both durable and with good specs after my Samsung got water damaged, and my Kyocera kept overheating. It's sad that Microsoft didn't let them switch to Android sooner, because then both companies could have had better chances.
I'll have to add though, the opposition to Microsoft and the consensus that Nokia should either take its own hail mary with its MeeGo, which had finally shipped with the N9 in 2011, or switch to Android, was at the time pretty much universal amongst Nokia engineers. I should know: I wasn't the only one to email Elop about the topic (to his benefit he brought the Microsoft culture of even low level employees being allowed to contact the CEO more or less directly with him; got a reasoned answer, no less). By 2013 I'd been downsized off Nokia, but given that this sort of pushback from within was pretty much endemic from the start of the Microsoft affair, I'd hesitate to call the potential move to Android as a clear cut blackmail strategy on Elop's part. Obviously something *was* fishy with the whole deal from the start, but I'd say it's entirely possible the Android announcement could at the same time have been about a CEO finally coming to terms with what his newly found engineering staff -- not insubstantial nor stupid -- had been telling him all along.
Buying nokia was a boon, because nokia was established the only thing lacking on Nokia was microtransactions, extra costs to consumers, so there's the downfall their phones didn't break so no need to buy a new one, and they didn't highlight their replacement batteries or chargers in the market so other manufacturers faked it and sold it instead. I don't know around the world, but all the Nokia phones I owned never broke whether physical or software. I just replaced it because it was outpaced highlighting it's durability and longevity. Nokia died because durability and longevity wasn't the popular move anymore, it was releasing an advanced flashy disposable phone that would be replaced in a year so that people will keep buying a new one which means more sales. That's what Nokia didn't do is make a disposable phone.
I used to own a Windows Phone back in the day. I still think Microsoft made the best Phone Software out of all the Three (Apple, Google, MS) that unfortunately nobody wanted.
this was kinda interesting because I had a nokia verizon windows.... odd mix of a phone lol, in 2015. I actually liked it, and funny enough, it cracked, the whole myth of nokias never break.. well.. didn't have a case, but smashed screen in concrete fall... it still works in 2023 when I replaced it that same year. so.. I got my very first iphone, the iphone 8 in 2020.. honestly i don't know why the heck people are into that shit lol, for a decade I see a bunch of obsessed people over the App Store and all I see is a paywall to make apps on there and a bunch of garbage. iPhones can't even be a USB for PC, storing files, maybe if you unlocked/hacked it? but what's the point... what a waste of potential. How are they even still relevant, I actually liked the Windows UI for that nokia phone in that year, it wasn't perfect, but at least it had an actual back button. I think iphone finally got that in the 15? not sure lol. I hate to say I genuinely to this day, prefer the Windows phones over the iPhone, with ONE exception, the Windows phone had jack shit on its App store... it was practically useless and I could only play solitaire and minesweeper. but the appstore for iphone really doesn't have much to show for itself, I learned that playstore is bigger than I thought and in the end I didn't miss out on nothing, besides the fact iphone will have exclusives sometimes.
This is a gross oversimplification, considering under what terms and conditions Microsoft was actually selling licenses for Windows Phone. In good part it's Microsoft's own doing that drove away other hardware manufacturers, and their own tanking of Nokia stocks that eventually forced them to buy it.
Windows phone was the best phone OS made yet, period. The fact that that idiot Ballmer tried to put it on computers was just moronic, but the OS was terrific on phones. They should have stuck with phones and worked with phone carriers better, and they would still be in the phone market. Then maybe every damn phone made today wouldn't look exactly like every other phone.
I never thought such a big company can destroy my hard earned money by trashing their software one after another from FrontPage, TrueSpace 3D, Expression Web & Design.I won't buy any of their software since then.
Not to mention that Nokia had a good product N9 MeeGo. Personally I tested that phone and it was fluid and could have been a fresh start for Nokia to build their market. Then they discarded that line.
Honestly MeeGo was something I always found just so much more intuitive and pleasent to use then anyting else at the time, and combined ith the possible app store they had going I really get the feeling it weas a decent contender. Heck the people that developed it went on to make Sailfish based on the idea/techniques, and their continued survival does go to show it had and has potential.
Elop drop nokia N9 in favor or sweet microsoft deal. Nokia n9 was so ahead of its time. Nokia n9 was amazing, until iphone X drop. Before that gesture aint a thing in smartphone, n9 the one that perfected it. But still love lumia phone, i own it till now, but stop using it when whatsapp discontinue its service in 2020.
I went from Nokia Symbian to Blackberry to Windows Phone. I saw that Blackberry was a dying company and loved Nokia hardware. Unfortunately, Windows Phone lacked the apps that I needed, which led me to Android. I haven't looked at anything else since then.
bullshit! are we going to retcon greediness for smartphone market as be them being force to buy nokia, another company bought it back and they're doing fine
Nokia was once a very successful and innovative company that produced good telephones. When it was bought by Microsoft they had to produce Windows Phone, and that killed Nokia. The Windows Phone was developed out of spite, not for the sake of the public, it was no innovation it was a fowl copy of the Apple iPhone. An honest man would make a better telephone than the Apple iPhone and make money by competing. Microsoft made only a cheap vague copy, there is NOT ONE THING that the Windows Phones has that was not done before by others. Non of the users of the Windows Phone was pleased by it. The telephone was hard to use and there were no apps. Microsoft never apologised for ordering Nokia to produce this kind of junk.
They fumbled. Windows Phone could have been as big as Android and iphone if they would have employed real designers and learn from Steve Jobs finally and engineers to create solid software. It doesn't make sense to ditch everything they had going before. Imagine MSN messenger could have easily have dominated everything if they had just ported such a familiar app to phone
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think Nokia has a very good outlook. Now that they've bottomed out, and pivoted away from cellphones, Nokia has made some smart business decisions. The company has taken ownership of Bell Labs and now own a quarter of the world's 5G infrastructure (with their market share increasing considerably in 2022). They've also had a lot of protection from the Finnish government, which helps to reduce the risk of future failure, and they've been fairly profitable for a couple years now. On paper, they don't look like a company that's only worth $3.93/share, but it'll be a while before investors regain trust in them.
Unfortunately they are not even top dogs in the dumbphone department anymore. Sunbeam, Kyocera, CAT and even Xiaomi make generally better phones than Nokia does nowadays. S30+ is a very bland OS, it doesn't really have anything over open source KaiOS. Sucks that they're turning away from phones, but I guess it works for them
@@bvd_vlvd Nokia isn't really a cellphone company anymore, and their new focus on infrastructure and research is proving a lot more profitable and stable.
I'm subbed, and I keep watching your videos, but damn...the totally random captioned words and phrases really ruin the flow of the video. Like, look at 02:18, where there is a random "Problem Though Was" animated caption on the screen. I don't know if English isn't your native language, but that's not even grammatically correct, let alone an interesting on-screen visual. It's like you are creating mini-docs using a lyric video as the template, and that's not going to work. It's too unnecessarily busy. I love the topics you cover, and I love niche videos like this. I just...am I too old for this shit? Is this just the Gen-Z need for so much useless stimuli? Just find a stationary image of whatever it is you're talking about, and leave that on the screen, perhaps with a slight (and varying) pan motion. That's...really all you need to do.
How about doing some actual baground research next time? At the time of the Mictospft acquisition, Nokia had working prototypes of both Android-, and Linux-based phones. I have used them. I recommed Risto Siilasmaa's book for actual fact rather than there clickbaity "alternate facts". Unsubscribe please.
Sorry sir but I have not come here to watch your face. By doing this you are not adding quality to your video, rather decreasing quality by removing content that would include entertaining edits and swapping it with you...Have a good morning sir
A lot of the features in Windows Phones and Lumia phones are just being added to phones in 2023 (AOD, Type C, home screen notifications, 4k screens, huge camera sensors)
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Stephen Elop. That name still makes my blood boil a decade later. Nokia should've never gone all in on Windows Phone. Even as antiquated as it was people were still loyal to Symbian and Nokia. They should've tried out WP and Android like Samsung and went with what sold best. Meego was something people liked and wanted to see more of. "No, we're dedicated to Windows Phone."
Yeah, meego was so ahead of its time, had a lot of potential
Nokia N9... Still my favorite phone ever
@@nonikhanna1 And Nokia N900 was my favorite :)
Stephen Elop was planted by Microsoft to shift Nokia's focus to Windows OS from Meego. It was a mistake by Nokia to go for Windows instead of Meego, which was way better than Windows. This video is misleading.
Tbh they really had no choice. By committing to Windows Phone Microsoft gave the money necessary to keep the lights on and ultimately thanks to the purchase they were gone but the company was still in business and the bleeding stopped. I blamed Elop for years for killing Nokia but after I learned the situation before him and the fact that he was the one separating the mobile division from the rest of the company he actually saved Nokia and huge part of Finland economy, intentionally or not. Without him the chances or recovery with Android was very small because they had no money, and also very little employees wanted Nokia to blend in with Android, as they saw it unfit for mobile devices
Nokia had lot of potential to dominate phone market. Sad to see their downfall
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The one I have with Android is pretty good, but still not the best and I can tell they cut some corners. If they had switched to Android sooner when they threatened it, I have a feeling they could have been one of the big 4 smartphone companies, perhaps instead of Huawei.
Nokia WAS dominating the phone market. Until Microsoft placed their own ceo in there to devalue the company and then bought them for peanuts and destroy the company.
@@joyloxalways thought that too. If Nokia just copied the iPhone UI on Android, they would have #1 or #2.
@@TheBoobanthey would never be able to dethrone Apple and Samsung. Smartphones need more tech & software than a cellphone company could develop
The earlier Windows mobile platform was excellent. Basically Windows 2000 on a phone. It had a registry, very robust application support, and all the features and you would would want for pretty much any use.
Windows Mobile was originally designed as a PDA, not a phone . Powerful applications were written for this platform, and it had the most enthusiastic third party support of any mobile device at its time.
When Microsoft orphaned their Windows mobile platform in favor of Windows Phone 7, based on the Zune interface which was a joke, they discouraged many software developers from trusting Microsoft for future mobile device support.
If Microsoft kept their Windows Mobile platform, they would currently be number one or two in the phone market.
They managed their phone venture incompetently.
from what I know after going to windows phone 8 (8.1) they were #2 on a global scale, but would always be #3 here in america
Hm
Yeah the PDA windows OS was great. If they just went on with it Instead!. Or just go with android!
Microsoft started bad doesn't mean they couldn't have recovered and out paced the competition, they just tried to force too much down people's throats instead of learning from their mistakes and they paid for it. I rooted hard for nokia and lumia, windows had the power to challenge the iOS more than android. But it wasn't meant to be.
The Lumia was terrible crap
Nahhhhhhhh, MS was late to the smart phone market by a good 3 - 4 years. By that point, everyone who wanted a smart phone already had one. MS never stood a chance.
There was ZERO reason for people to switch from their current iOS/Android phone to Windows phone. The app store was a barren wasteland. The most popular apps back then weren't on Windows phone, including social medias like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter... Even basic chat apps like Snapchat or Whatsapp were missing. A majority of mobile games on Android/iOS was missing. The entire Google-suite (Gmail, Google Docs, Calendar, Drive...) was missing so you couldn't even use it for work. It didn't even have RUclips. The platform that you're watching this video on, was NOT on Windows phones. So you ended up buying a smartphone that you cant watch RUclips on, cant post on social medias, can't chat with people, can't play games and also can't use for productivity. At that point, you might as well light your money on fire if you decided to buy a Windows phone and ditch your iOS/Android phone that could do literally everything mentioned above.
Switching from an already matured platform like iOS/Android to an infantile platform like Windows phone would be a HUGE downgrade to literally everyone. There was no user adoption. Windows phones were like 2% of the entire market share. And since there was barely anyone using Windows phones, developers didn't care to develop new apps or port their apps from iOS/Android to Windows. And because 3rd party devs didn't care for Windows phones, regular people didn't either. It was a vicious cycle. Windows phones were DoA.
The only thing MS could have done to save Windows phones was if MS entered the race before iOS and Android already already finished the damn thing. But this was MS under Steve Balmer's leadership that we are talking about here. Dude had zero vision for the future.
I love how microsoft wasnt even mad at Nokias ceo. Even they thought what he did was smart and kept him arround.
That's why they're paid the big bucks.
Nokia ceo previously worked for Microsoft.
Microsoft planted Elop in Nokia in the first place. That's how potential Nokia savers (and Microsoft competitors) Maemo and MeeGo got sidestepped in favor of the DOA mobile Windows...
that's what many people don't want to realize. Nokia was better without Microsoft. Meego OS was way better than Windows Phone OS@@zwerko
Lumia made me sad... I can't wait to hear what happened here
I was there at the beginning, and the real problem was Microsoft was selling their Windows CE for around $50 per device, and that was before Microsoft released Windows Phone. Microsoft still had the mentality to continue selling their Windows Phone, and then later Windows Mobile to hardware OEMs. Where as Android to all OEMs. Microsoft couldn't keep up with that because Android was flexible because Android was built on top of Linux, which is also free, but fully open source as well. Combined with Androids open source made it an unstoppable force, and it is why every mobile OEM at the time went with Android instead of going with Microsoft. Microsoft priced themselves out of the mobile market, and could not keep up with the fast pace of the mobile market. Over time Microsoft continued to drop the price of their Windows Phone and then Windows Mobile to be completely free. Otherwise it wasn't worth it for any mobile OEM to create any Windows mobile devices.
Saw this in my notification feed.
Great Video as always. You're content quality keeps improving each day.
Thank you, glad to hear that!
Nokia phones were so big desl back in a day to Finnish economy than when the fall of Nokia started, the GDP volume of Finland dropped almost 9%.
By 2000, Nokia accounted for a 4 per cent of Finnish GDP, 70 per cent of Helsinki's stock exchange market capital. By 2013, it's percentage of GDP was 0,4% and stock exchange market capital was only 13%.
Pretty hard downfall of a company which once handled around 25% of Finland's exports.
iPhone was the first good smart phone, Nokia was crab !
cheap phones did android only....
Who needs windows ????
03:40 I have no idea how missed the mark so far, Microsoft was in the smartphone market since Windows XP, there were older versions of Windows Mobile before Windows Mobile 6.5, heck there were older versions of Windows Mobile 6.
no mention of Symbian and MeeGo at all?
Great video!! Always happy to watch!!
Thank you Daniel! Happy to have you here!
Microsoft was way more badass when Gates was in charge.
I ran a repair business. I know people that LOVED their lumia phones but in my eyes they were lacking a lot but I didn’t see them completely going away. That was surprising.
Nokia Hardware crashed the bank on Microsoft
The nokia 3310 was indestructable, but microsoft forgot that and I have never ssen an intacked windows phone.
I had a windows phone , used to take great photos , it was a perfect challenge to the iPhone but their Microsoft store was bad
Windows for Africa only.....
iPhone was good, why Africa need crap phones ?
Nowdays android app can be open in windows PC ....can it probaby another chance for windows mobile to come in ? .......
I miss the days of Symbian phones.
Hari, my question is completely irrelevant from the video but it'll help me and possibly others in their studies and learning new stuff. I am a very early subscriber and have seen you discuss very broad topics with great precision. How do you research things, go deep into them and learn new stuff for basically every video. Do you take notes or study it for sometime and what resources you learn from (video, articles or books) ?
Really appreciate your support man! To be honest, I don't have some sort of secret technique or something. I think a lot of it just comes with practice of researching and writing a bunch of scripts. I always link all of my sources in the description. Maybe that would be helpful.
Stephen Elop the trojan from microsoft ruined good old nokia mobile. It was a suicidal decision of not switching to android os.
Great video as always.
Thank you Balpreet!
If Microsoft makes a phone with a store that is not tied to their internal payment service it will be successful with companies, and they will just add their apps. They don’t want to pay the 30% surcharge on the App Store.
Add PWA as a native and they could potentially have a lot of apps ready to go.
Stephen Elop getting away scot free like the cheeky little karma Houdini he is really grinds my gears
Microsoft sent it's trojan to Nokia to destroy it then bought it for it's patents and manufacturing capabilities.
Nokia's BOD and CEO were arrogantly laughing at Android instead of being smart like Samsung was what caused them their downfalls.
Also remember when Microsoft were being too comfortable when they were still in the lead when the first iPhone came out.
another great video! 👍👍
too big to fail companies
Activision blizzard: hold my beer.
I have a Nokia now, but I seem to have gotten one of the best recent ones, because the XR21 is a downgrade from the XR20. I don't like Windows in general, so I waited to go with Nokia until they went with Android. I only really found it because I wanted something both durable and with good specs after my Samsung got water damaged, and my Kyocera kept overheating. It's sad that Microsoft didn't let them switch to Android sooner, because then both companies could have had better chances.
"Better" in being a me-too company, cementing Googles dominance in the mobile market. That folks are how monopolies are made.
Stephen Elop has not worked at Microsoft since 2015 ish.
Oops
I'll have to add though, the opposition to Microsoft and the consensus that Nokia should either take its own hail mary with its MeeGo, which had finally shipped with the N9 in 2011, or switch to Android, was at the time pretty much universal amongst Nokia engineers. I should know: I wasn't the only one to email Elop about the topic (to his benefit he brought the Microsoft culture of even low level employees being allowed to contact the CEO more or less directly with him; got a reasoned answer, no less).
By 2013 I'd been downsized off Nokia, but given that this sort of pushback from within was pretty much endemic from the start of the Microsoft affair, I'd hesitate to call the potential move to Android as a clear cut blackmail strategy on Elop's part. Obviously something *was* fishy with the whole deal from the start, but I'd say it's entirely possible the Android announcement could at the same time have been about a CEO finally coming to terms with what his newly found engineering staff -- not insubstantial nor stupid -- had been telling him all along.
Buying nokia was a boon, because nokia was established the only thing lacking on Nokia was microtransactions, extra costs to consumers, so there's the downfall their phones didn't break so no need to buy a new one, and they didn't highlight their replacement batteries or chargers in the market so other manufacturers faked it and sold it instead.
I don't know around the world, but all the Nokia phones I owned never broke whether physical or software. I just replaced it because it was outpaced highlighting it's durability and longevity. Nokia died because durability and longevity wasn't the popular move anymore, it was releasing an advanced flashy disposable phone that would be replaced in a year so that people will keep buying a new one which means more sales. That's what Nokia didn't do is make a disposable phone.
Make an edible phone. Useful and "disposable".
Nokia never had the bing maps, Nokia had their own HERE Maps, which is still the map I use even now that I'm using android
I used to own a Windows Phone back in the day. I still think Microsoft made the best Phone Software out of all the Three (Apple, Google, MS) that unfortunately nobody wanted.
Know key ah ?
Sounds weird.
Everyone I know says:
Knock key ah
Blackmail seems like a stretch from this video 12:30. Fomo seems more appropriate
Hey Hari, Do you continue to talk Tamil even though you moved to US?
Microsoft and Stephen Elop together destroyed Nokia. This first non-finnish CEO actually finished Nokia.
If Nokia would of switch to Android early on, they probably would still be selling phone today compete with Samsung.
Hey, your voice quality is a bit down nowadays. I think it's because you started including your video there.
this was kinda interesting because I had a nokia verizon windows.... odd mix of a phone lol, in 2015. I actually liked it, and funny enough, it cracked, the whole myth of nokias never break.. well.. didn't have a case, but smashed screen in concrete fall... it still works in 2023 when I replaced it that same year.
so.. I got my very first iphone, the iphone 8 in 2020.. honestly i don't know why the heck people are into that shit lol, for a decade I see a bunch of obsessed people over the App Store and all I see is a paywall to make apps on there and a bunch of garbage. iPhones can't even be a USB for PC, storing files, maybe if you unlocked/hacked it? but what's the point... what a waste of potential. How are they even still relevant, I actually liked the Windows UI for that nokia phone in that year, it wasn't perfect, but at least it had an actual back button. I think iphone finally got that in the 15? not sure lol. I hate to say I genuinely to this day, prefer the Windows phones over the iPhone, with ONE exception, the Windows phone had jack shit on its App store... it was practically useless and I could only play solitaire and minesweeper.
but the appstore for iphone really doesn't have much to show for itself, I learned that playstore is bigger than I thought and in the end I didn't miss out on nothing, besides the fact iphone will have exclusives sometimes.
They use to be an amazing inventor.
Nokia 6600 and 6630 and N93i just pure art!!!
Router and sim card for cars and house and building for building automation is big market
This is a gross oversimplification, considering under what terms and conditions Microsoft was actually selling licenses for Windows Phone. In good part it's Microsoft's own doing that drove away other hardware manufacturers, and their own tanking of Nokia stocks that eventually forced them to buy it.
Doing a funeral march for iPhone, that is such an asshole move! 🤣
Windows phone was the best phone OS made yet, period. The fact that that idiot Ballmer tried to put it on computers was just moronic, but the OS was terrific on phones. They should have stuck with phones and worked with phone carriers better, and they would still be in the phone market. Then maybe every damn phone made today wouldn't look exactly like every other phone.
I never thought such a big company can destroy my hard earned money by trashing their software one after another from FrontPage, TrueSpace 3D, Expression Web & Design.I won't buy any of their software since then.
You forgot the entire bribery saga
Not to mention that Nokia had a good product N9 MeeGo.
Personally I tested that phone and it was fluid and could have been a fresh start for Nokia to build their market. Then they discarded that line.
Honestly MeeGo was something I always found just so much more intuitive and pleasent to use then anyting else at the time, and combined ith the possible app store they had going I really get the feeling it weas a decent contender.
Heck the people that developed it went on to make Sailfish based on the idea/techniques, and their continued survival does go to show it had and has potential.
Satya Nadella was God-send for Microsoft. I can't imagine Microsoft without his decisions
Why is Bill Gates on the thumbnail? What is his involvement during this?
Microsoft should never touch a hardware product
Why Hari start showing his face lately? Just curious
To add some personal flair to the videos. With so many channels entering the space, I think some differentiation would be wise :)
To show he's not an AI bot
@@LogicallyAnswered OOHH TRUE! Very good point. Thx for telling me. Was curious lol
@@desertstar223 lol 😝 right👍🏼🤣
didn't google just buy motorola to prove a point they can buy anything they like along patents as extra
Elop drop nokia N9 in favor or sweet microsoft deal.
Nokia n9 was so ahead of its time.
Nokia n9 was amazing, until iphone X drop. Before that gesture aint a thing in smartphone, n9 the one that perfected it.
But still love lumia phone, i own it till now, but stop using it when whatsapp discontinue its service in 2020.
Windows Phone was great. It just did not have any apps. Really, the lack of apps was what killed it.
I went from Nokia Symbian to Blackberry to Windows Phone. I saw that Blackberry was a dying company and loved Nokia hardware. Unfortunately, Windows Phone lacked the apps that I needed, which led me to Android. I haven't looked at anything else since then.
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After iPhone, Symbian was dead, cheap phones did android only.
bullshit! are we going to retcon greediness for smartphone market as be them being force to buy nokia, another company bought it back and they're doing fine
this perspective sounds like Ms just did what they threatened before Android and Iphone: They wanted to destroy Nokia as it was.
Nokia can still come and shake the industry.All they need is a good strategy.
Windows phones always had exceptional hardware but atrocious software & app support.
I was really hopeful that Nokia and Microsoft would team up for something special.
nokia terrible software
micosoap garbage software
terrible + garbage
Haven't watched it yet, but I believe they wanted the patents
Nokia was once a very successful and innovative company that produced good telephones. When it was bought by Microsoft they had to produce Windows Phone, and that killed Nokia. The Windows Phone was developed out of spite, not for the sake of the public, it was no innovation it was a fowl copy of the Apple iPhone.
An honest man would make a better telephone than the Apple iPhone and make money by competing. Microsoft made only a cheap vague copy, there is NOT ONE THING that the Windows Phones has that was not done before by others. Non of the users of the Windows Phone was pleased by it. The telephone was hard to use and there were no apps. Microsoft never apologised for ordering Nokia to produce this kind of junk.
Steve Ballmer - famous last words
NO. THE FIRST SMARTPHONE WAS THE GALAXY S IN 2010
Until 2 years ago, our barcode scanners used windows mobile. How to give away a head start
Tldr: FOMO is no joke
They fumbled. Windows Phone could have been as big as Android and iphone if they would have employed real designers and learn from Steve Jobs finally and engineers to create solid software. It doesn't make sense to ditch everything they had going before. Imagine MSN messenger could have easily have dominated everything if they had just ported such a familiar app to phone
I remember
Good video, one mistake: Elop is not at Microsoft. He was let go in 2015.
7 bil in losses? I guess they got tax write-offs on it so it evens out at the end..
Nokia's symbian was far better then windows on their phones.
Steve B was the worse ceo ever
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think Nokia has a very good outlook.
Now that they've bottomed out, and pivoted away from cellphones, Nokia has made some smart business decisions.
The company has taken ownership of Bell Labs and now own a quarter of the world's 5G infrastructure (with their market share increasing considerably in 2022). They've also had a lot of protection from the Finnish government, which helps to reduce the risk of future failure, and they've been fairly profitable for a couple years now.
On paper, they don't look like a company that's only worth $3.93/share, but it'll be a while before investors regain trust in them.
Unfortunately they are not even top dogs in the dumbphone department anymore. Sunbeam, Kyocera, CAT and even Xiaomi make generally better phones than Nokia does nowadays. S30+ is a very bland OS, it doesn't really have anything over open source KaiOS. Sucks that they're turning away from phones, but I guess it works for them
@@bvd_vlvd Nokia isn't really a cellphone company anymore, and their new focus on infrastructure and research is proving a lot more profitable and stable.
@@bvd_vlvd Post Microsoft-era Nokia phones are not made by Nokia. HMD bought mobile phone division from MS and licensed Nokia brand from Nokia Corp.
Ms should acquire Apple or google not Nokia to enter phone market
Wasting 7 B was probably cheaper than dealing with a 10 or 20 B Nokia/Googol competitor. You buy to kill.
mr. elop is rank 1 player.
Remember when they almost bought Yhoo? lol
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I'm subbed, and I keep watching your videos, but damn...the totally random captioned words and phrases really ruin the flow of the video. Like, look at 02:18, where there is a random "Problem Though Was" animated caption on the screen. I don't know if English isn't your native language, but that's not even grammatically correct, let alone an interesting on-screen visual. It's like you are creating mini-docs using a lyric video as the template, and that's not going to work. It's too unnecessarily busy. I love the topics you cover, and I love niche videos like this. I just...am I too old for this shit? Is this just the Gen-Z need for so much useless stimuli? Just find a stationary image of whatever it is you're talking about, and leave that on the screen, perhaps with a slight (and varying) pan motion. That's...really all you need to do.
is that really you?
Nok-ia, not No-kia
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Surface phone anyone?
How about doing some actual baground research next time? At the time of the Mictospft acquisition, Nokia had working prototypes of both Android-, and Linux-based phones. I have used them. I recommed Risto Siilasmaa's book for actual fact rather than there clickbaity "alternate facts". Unsubscribe please.
blackmailed? more like trojan horsed themselves to buy nokia?
ur video VIEWS have decreased exponentially, rip.
Everything you did in the past.
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Sorry sir but I have not come here to watch your face. By doing this you are not adding quality to your video, rather decreasing quality by removing content that would include entertaining edits and swapping it with you...Have a good morning sir
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Thanks for being early Aiden!
lol np@@LogicallyAnswered
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All Microsoft had to do was to go with Android as an operating system. But, corporate ego...........
I remember holding off on a smartphone until there was a windows phone.. When it came out, I bought an android.. Disappointed
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Do not show ur face...ur face and voice is not matching..im going to dislike this video only because of this reason
A lot of the features in Windows Phones and Lumia phones are just being added to phones in 2023 (AOD, Type C, home screen notifications, 4k screens, huge camera sensors)