Pipe organ vs. digital organ..

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  • @randysteere7316
    @randysteere7316 3 месяца назад +4

    Great job Paul! While Hauptwerk is not a pipe organ it is getting so close that it is able to keep excitement for the organ alive, especially when one cannot afford a pipe organ or have no space for one! This allows many students to have a practice organ that would otherwise not be able to. It allows many churches and auditoriums to feature the organ as well. Keep up the good work!

  • @InventorZahran
    @InventorZahran 3 месяца назад +19

    Hauptwerk is very convenient for practicing, but nothing can replace the sound of real pipes in their intended acoustic space!

    • @bradycall1889
      @bradycall1889 3 месяца назад +4

      I mean, Hauptwerk is quite convincing, but if you have the opportunity to practice on a real pipe organ then you should go there.

    • @henrytaggart4270
      @henrytaggart4270 3 месяца назад +2

      Sounds great till you do the direct side by side - nothing like the real McCoy for the full lower register bass sound 🎉

    • @henrytaggart4270
      @henrytaggart4270 3 месяца назад +2

      The last one is great though

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад +1

      I totally agree!! 😀

    • @StrahlerAchtundsechzig
      @StrahlerAchtundsechzig 3 месяца назад +3

      @@bradycall1889 That's right and I understand you. There are many ways of looking at things. I, for example, have learnt a lot from RUclips videos that I felt were produced via Hauptwerk software at the touch of a button (simply speaking, reduced). That's why I know organists and the sound of the organ virtually, but I would never have had even the slightest chance to get to know the organ and the organists. For these cases, I think the digital image is just great. The direct comparison with an organ in a church often seems a little one-dimensional to me - we're talking about more than a hundred times the amount of money involved, which a private person could never afford. Sometimes we also compare apples with pears. Let me give you an example. I don't ask myself during a phone call (regardless of whether it's analogue - does that still exist - ?) whether the original face-to-face conversation is better, it's simply no longer possible in the environments where we travel professionally. What do you think?

  • @maryellis3286
    @maryellis3286 Месяц назад +1

    I so enjoyed your comparisons. I grew up in church where there was pipe organ music for all our chorals. So I love what you're doing here. Thankyou!!

  • @jaygee999
    @jaygee999 3 месяца назад +6

    Paul, deine Brillanz zeigt sich am deutlichsten in deiner Musik und in deiner Sprache - ein junger Mann, der von Gott gesegnet ist!

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад +1

      Vielen herzlichen Dank!!

  • @chrisgunther6847
    @chrisgunther6847 3 месяца назад +5

    Sehr schöne Beispiele. Ich hätte gern alles in voller Länge gehört. ❤👌👍🏻

  • @uribenyehudah
    @uribenyehudah 3 месяца назад +7

    I really enjoy this kind of videos. I sounds like you are getting closer to your fans!!! Fan of Paul Fey forever!!!

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад +3

      @@uribenyehudah Thank you so much!! 😀

  • @RoydenWilkinson
    @RoydenWilkinson 3 месяца назад +3

    Dear Paul, that was a very informative and interesting video today. What a privilege to have a home organ that sounds so good! Unless they were side by side for comparison, it would be pretty difficult to tell the difference. The reality is, not every person or church can afford the real pipe organ so having a digital organ of that quality is a real blessing! Thank you, Paul, for your most personable and candid contribution to we who love beautiful organ music and the Lord! You’re always a warm, bright spot in my day. Royden

  • @gdebergh7875
    @gdebergh7875 3 месяца назад +6

    Who!! Marcussen, Sonnenorgel, very interesting approch, dear Paul ❤❤
    I can't wait to listen to this documentary video....

  • @stepps511
    @stepps511 3 месяца назад +1

    I very much appreciate the comparison, Paul. For the most part the similarities are there and can make any home organist proud!

  • @allenchastain3706
    @allenchastain3706 3 месяца назад

    The Bach Organ is my favorite sound!! Thanks for sharing! I wish there was a pipe organ locally that I could play. The closing song was awesome!!

  • @blasebalg3686
    @blasebalg3686 3 месяца назад +3

    Tolles Video. Ich habe gern zugehört 👏👍👌🙏

  • @orgelpfeife5268
    @orgelpfeife5268 3 месяца назад +3

    Großartige Arbeit Paul Fey. ❤

  • @dersachse7482
    @dersachse7482 3 месяца назад +1

    Bravo Maestro Paul Fey, ich freue mich sehr. Dankeschön 👌👍👏

  • @gero6488
    @gero6488 3 месяца назад +2

    Ich bin begeistert von deiner Arbeit. 👏👏👏 Bravo

  • @sohcahtoa8006
    @sohcahtoa8006 3 месяца назад

    Paul, I’m glad you made this video, as I made a comment on a previous video about sample set organs. To me it would be difficult to believe with your young ear to not recognize the immediate difference that a RUclips video was from sampleset organ or not. The need for real pipe organs would become….who knows in the future. For me it was what happened in the difference in vinyl records played on tube based amplifiers which had a much richer sound in the 1970’s. Sadly, our younger generations have likely never heard this sound. CD’s disappointed me greatly in their tinney sound in the early 1990’s. Please don’t get me wrong, as an organist should use the best machine he or she can afford to practice on. But, I want the real thing when I buy a CD . (On another theme, I would like to know which head phones you use. I have purchased several “best rated” sets over the years, spending hundreds of $$ on some of them, but when I want the best sound, I defer to my Lafayette dorm room 1970’s set I bought new for $79.00. They will reproduce the field drum for example heard in Saint Saëns Organ Symphony like none of the others will and for me in my ‘70s, the high frequencies I can no longer hear. Paul, I thoroughly enjoy what you are doing and I look forward to your YTChanel offerings and hope you appreciate an old farts critique, but the retired educator in me says to let you know. Oh, I wish I could send you some penguin socks! But, alas there is no Amazon wish list or box address for you. Best wishes to you for every success always.

  • @alois2709
    @alois2709 3 месяца назад +2

    Sehr schön Paul Fey ich freue mich sehr. 👍👍👍

  • @orgelschlager1159
    @orgelschlager1159 3 месяца назад +1

    So viel Freude, vielen Dank Paul Fey 👌 👍

  • @HorstB.-nf6nd
    @HorstB.-nf6nd 3 месяца назад +1

    Ich bin begeistert von diesem Beispiel 👏👍👌

  • @Singular8ty
    @Singular8ty 3 месяца назад

    Nothing can beat a real organ. It's not just the raw sound, it's the feel and how the sound fills the space (and changes in it). Extreme example for feel: once you're down at 64', the feel of it on your solar plexus is special. I'd say it's near impossible to tell between two recordings, though. Especially since the recordings are on different mics and in different locations (most differences I heard were due to that).
    That said, the vast majority of churches today can't afford a proper pipe organ and some, even if they could, have no architectural space for one (and the remodel would be too expensive). So many church organists have had to deal with synthesized sound (like an Allen Organ my church has), and a Hauptwerk would be such a fantastic upgrade. I truly hope churches start moving away from synthesized to sampled (Hauptwerk) when they cannot get a real pipe organ.

  • @gdebergh7875
    @gdebergh7875 3 месяца назад

    Very interesting video ❤❤
    Thank, Paul, for sharing these organs in comparison with Haupwrek versions. Specialy Marcussen, a splendid organ (remember your first visit and video where I discovered you ❤)
    Also Sonnenorgel of course but the Bach Armstad HW seems to me the closest approch of the real organ effectively.
    For us who are very far away, your videos and sound recordings are precious for discovering these magnificent instruments, a big thank you for all your working, dear Paul ❤❤❤❤
    Guy

  • @Quince828
    @Quince828 3 месяца назад +2

    It’s difficult to tell at times because we’re listening to both through loudspeakers. In a live church setting the real organ will always win because of the limitations of hearing the hauptwerk sound through amplifiers and speakers. This limitation is the same whether it’s a hauptwerk sample or a digital synthetic organ such as a Rodgers, Allen, Johanneus etc.

  • @n.g.g.3113
    @n.g.g.3113 3 месяца назад +2

    Vielen herzlichen Dank ❤

  • @aBachwardsfellow
    @aBachwardsfellow 3 месяца назад +2

    I can usually tell by the acoustic -- the digital instruments' acoustics sound a bit "stale" -- "too perfect", sometimes a bit muddy (especially in rooms with a long reverberation time -- not well-blended with the room).

  • @c-historia
    @c-historia 3 месяца назад +7

    *always* pipe organ!! lol

    • @bradycall1889
      @bradycall1889 3 месяца назад

      There ain't no life without orgel it's how life works

  • @gerardbedecarter
    @gerardbedecarter 3 месяца назад

    Most interesting. Thanks, Paul.

  • @LarcR
    @LarcR 3 месяца назад +1

    Recording is one thing, but listening live is quite another. While Hauptwerk can always be counted on to be in tune and devoid of the goblins that sometimes affect pipe organs, no microphone/speaker combination ever existed that can capture and reproduce sound precisely as the pipe organ produces it. Hauptwerk is generally fine for recording, but there's no contest when it comes to actually being there.

  • @vewilli
    @vewilli 3 месяца назад +2

    Very interesting. At 4:58 you say „… it‘s from 2011, so it‘s like 20 years old …“, we have 2024 now. 😉😜

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад

      @@vewilli Haha, yea - it was originally released around 2006 (2011 was version 1.1) I think. That’s why 😂

    • @vewilli
      @vewilli 3 месяца назад

      @@PaulFey no problem at all!

    • @sandrosandalo4687
      @sandrosandalo4687 2 месяца назад

      Is there a new version of it? Didn't know anything about it, where i can find it?

  • @CathyDraai-cc8iq
    @CathyDraai-cc8iq 3 месяца назад

    It was very interesting

  • @albert-r3i9t
    @albert-r3i9t 3 месяца назад +1

    thanks.

  • @ServiamScores
    @ServiamScores 3 месяца назад

    The only thing that gives away the real organs is the fact that their tuning is always more sour, whereas the HW version tends to be close to perfect / the ideal, which almost never happens in real life. But you didn't hear the two recordings back-to-back, I don't think you could really know the difference.

  • @saricubra2867
    @saricubra2867 3 месяца назад +3

    Your mic placement for the real organs sounds better for me than the sampled ones from Hauptwerk. They sound far too distant and stereotypical.
    I clearly hear the punch of the wind through the pipes in your recordings.

  • @clarevalleyriesling01
    @clarevalleyriesling01 3 месяца назад +6

    pipe organ

  • @leoxiv1942
    @leoxiv1942 3 месяца назад +3

    The main problem is that programs such as Hautpwerk are niche products. Their budget for R&D is very limited. With proper equipment and software (adaptive neural networks) the net result would be indistinguishable compared to the “real” thing. But there is no market for it.

    • @jmhuene
      @jmhuene 3 месяца назад +1

      I've heard some churches with large Haputwerks installations that sounded almost identical to the real thing. The caveat however was that they also had $100,000+ sound systems to accomplish this with giant 300lbs subwoofers and hundreds of speakers. That type of installation would be required regardless of what program you're using to provide the sounds, and isn't necessarily specific to Hauptwerk. I agree though that having some incredible sample sets on Haputwerk can still go a long way, but that is only half the battle in my opinion. You still need to have a proper professional sound system built for the space to get that other half, which most are not going to have in their homes or smaller spaces without such budgets.

    • @leoxiv1942
      @leoxiv1942 3 месяца назад

      @@jmhuene exactly. However, the cost of building an organ far exceeds that of the most expensive sound system, not to mention the maintenence.

  • @winnieifel4055
    @winnieifel4055 3 месяца назад

    Hallo Paul ich würde gerne ein Video sehen von zwei großartigen Orgeln in der Basilika in Ottobeuren ( Süd Deutschland) hier steht eine 250 Jahre alte 4 Manualige Chororgel und hinten auf der Empore steht eine neuere 5 Manualige Orgel deren Klang einfach überwältigend ist besonders das 32 Fuß Register im Pedal ist so voll im Klang einfach Überwältigend.

  • @TruckguyTruckguy
    @TruckguyTruckguy 3 месяца назад

    over the speakers it can be enhanced but in person there is absolutely 0 comparison and a good pipe organ always wins.

  • @jdkoozer
    @jdkoozer 3 месяца назад

    Paul how with the Hauptwerk do for Acoustics from inside the church ? MagicalPipes

  • @homagetogorto
    @homagetogorto 3 месяца назад +2

    I bet you'd get the same results if you used two different recordings of the same real instrument and asked an expert to tell you which is the Hauptwerk. They've done similar experiments on wine and Stradivarius violins. Once you reach a certain level of quality, anything further is virtually undetectable.

  • @johnanderson3700
    @johnanderson3700 3 месяца назад

    Pipe sound.
    More pure when side by side with first demo standing alone both not bad seems like digital a little muddy especially in fuller registrations

  • @ecostudio1044
    @ecostudio1044 14 дней назад

    Paul have you played any of the Marshal & Ogletree instruments in the United States and do you know of Cameron Carpenter and the instrument he designed and was traveling with before it was damaged? He lives in Berlin now.

  • @manfredn909
    @manfredn909 3 месяца назад +1

    Eine echte Pfeifenorgel in der Kirche ist natürlich das Nonplusultra - hat man eine Orgel zur Verfügung, die eine entsprechende Anzahl Manuale und Register hat. 4 Register je Manual und nicht einmal ein Prinzipal 8' dabei ist schon sehr begrenzend, da wünscht man sich lieber eine digitale Orgel mit mehr klanglichen Möglichkeiten 😊.

  • @rrchapman
    @rrchapman 3 месяца назад

    In both cases, I'm listening to these clips on my computer speakers. How can we tell the difference when the sound being produced through the same speakers while listening to this?
    In a real world example in a building, I can almost always tell if an organ is an appliance or real by the reverb of the room. The closest to fooling me is the temporary organ being used in the Cathedral of St. Andrew (Episcopal) while their pipe organ is being rebuilt. The reason why is that the temporary organ does not have its speakers pointing at the congregation. The speakers are pointed in the apse so that the organ sound mixes there before coming into the nave.
    The biggest problem with electronic appliances is when they point the speakers at the audience/congregation. The sound doesn't mix.

  • @g.k.failla9389
    @g.k.failla9389 3 месяца назад +3

    Of course, "there's nothing like the real thing". Without real (and great) pipe organs, no samplesets. The technical advances do make it possible for both the hobbyist and professional to practice and play without "going to church". No doubt Hauptwerk set ups will become smaller and more portable. (Look at the history of the cellphone). From Chicago, U.S.A.

  • @sethdietrich4648
    @sethdietrich4648 3 месяца назад

    The problem with making judgments about sound in this context is that all of the examples have been filtered either through the processes of the microphone and/or the processes of the speakers. Understandably that is simply part of the equation. However, hearing a well-voiced, characterful pipe organ in the flesh in an appropriate acoustical environment is a world apart from any form of recorded sound. Even a splendid pipe organ when recorded is diminished to a degree by the recording process.

  • @Spillregal16
    @Spillregal16 3 месяца назад +1

    Hallo Paul, Ich benutze Grand Orgue und würde gerne auch Hauptwerk benutzen, also wollte ich die kostenlose version ausprobieren allerdings kommt dann beim öffnen von Hauptwerk eine Fehlermeldung die sagt: "License Support Components Required". Ich weiß nicht was ich jezt tun soll

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад

      @@Spillregal16 Ich meine, dass es keine kostenlose Testversion mehr gibt - das ist jetzt alles auf ein Abo-Modell beschränkt. Das könnte ein Grund sein, ich weiß es aber nicht 😀

    • @Spillregal16
      @Spillregal16 3 месяца назад

      @@PaulFey Danke für die info! 😄

  • @steffensindermann3220
    @steffensindermann3220 3 месяца назад +1

    Hey, lieber Paul. Sehr interessant die Vergleiche. Es ist schon eine feine Sache mit den "Heimorgeln". Die Authentizität von Kirchenorgeln ist doch unübertroffen. Jedoch sind die Heimorgeln eine großartige Sache! Was die Technik alles möglich macht, ist erstaunlich. Danke für deine Vorführung en. Liebe Grüße bis bald sendet dir Steffen aus der Stadt der "Original Sonnenorgel in Peter und Paul" 😊.

  • @VictorFeroXFors
    @VictorFeroXFors 3 месяца назад

    I think Caimari Organ wins 😂 , thanks Paul

  • @steamrocks
    @steamrocks Месяц назад

    I wish people would stop referring to pipe organs and only pipe organs as "real" organs. A digital organ is just as much a "real' instrument. You create art on them just as much as any windblown instrument. Your recordings reinforce that. All of the voices are there and The timbres are captured. Don't forget that in the video we are hearing the digital organs "third hand." First there is the sample recording, then there is the playback, then there is the audio we are listening through. There can be losses in all of them. Star Trek used to refer to this as "replactive fading" where something looses some essence with each duplication. Nonetheless, the digital recordings capture the original instruments well, well enough to use as performing instruments. The two final dealbreakers in the comparison are the speaker systems used and the acoustics of the venue. With these one must be realistic. You ae not going to duplicate the sound of a 100 rank organ in an apartment no matter what. Put that same digital instrument in a large enough area with good acoustics and with today's technology I think the pipes will have a run for their money. I have heard it in one of the parish churches I go to. The digital instrument (Johannus) sounds magnificent in the building for which it was intended. With digitals you can voice to your heart's content, change tunings at the drop of a hat, and there is little maintenance and no tuning concerns. Most all of the instruments are sampled now, but acoustic modeling holds even more promise. They will only get better. I am personally a theater organ person and own a 3/24 theater instrument of my own building powered by jOrgan. My room is a" little" smaller than the average millionaire's organ studio which they would have in their home had they transplanted an actual theater organ, but all the feel is there. Digitals are the wave of the future, roll with it. Incidentally, I have never heard anyone comment on this, but your English is flawless!!

  • @c.g.5590
    @c.g.5590 3 месяца назад +1

    👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏👏👏

  • @swaraneindra
    @swaraneindra 3 месяца назад

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @winnieifel4055
    @winnieifel4055 3 месяца назад +1

    The original it's so much better

  • @johnhenryholiday4964
    @johnhenryholiday4964 3 месяца назад +4

    I'm using a pair of Sennheiser headphones and there is a night and day difference on my phones.... the bass line on the pipe organs comes through in rich full detail while the digital recreation is weak and non existent.... (not being critical.... just stating what Im hearing... others no doubt will disagree).

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад +4

      True, but you‘ll have to consider that my recordings are a bit bass-heavy since I like them that way. You could bass-boost the Hauptwerk things as well 😀

    • @johnhenryholiday4964
      @johnhenryholiday4964 3 месяца назад +2

      @@PaulFey Thank You Paul... Im working towards doing something similar as you but I won't be as prolific.... Your musical library is awesome... at this early point you have played some of the most magnificent music ever penned by the hand of man and you have done so like the masters of old ....

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 3 месяца назад +2

      @@PaulFey You have a close mic placement vs Hauptwerk. The attack of the sound is far more noticiable and the bass gets stronger.
      Hauptwerk needs more mic placement options.

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад

      @@johnhenryholiday4964 Thank you so much!! 😀

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад +1

      @@saricubra2867 That would be amazing!

  • @it5190
    @it5190 3 месяца назад +2

    Listen baby whippersnapper, don’t be calling 2011 very very old and acting like we were using wax records to record. 😂🤣

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад

      Yea I know, but in technical terms 2011 is VERY old, just look at the pc requirements for any demanding software back then and now 😀

    • @it5190
      @it5190 3 месяца назад

      @@PaulFey HA! 2011 is ancient in computer terms. I’m a software engineer so I can definitely relate to that! But I do remember some really good sampling software back then. Definitely a bit bulkier and more expensive. But you were talking about the organ recordings. That one huge pipe organ has an amazing sound! I don’t think the sampling software is doing that one justice. But they do sound super good. Maybe if you use Tube amplifiers it will
      Sound better.. 😂😂 Also, you’re good. I enjoy your playing.

  • @billythedingo2
    @billythedingo2 3 месяца назад +1

    This whole comparison is ridiculous.hauowerk is pastiche

    • @PaulFey
      @PaulFey  3 месяца назад +2

      What‘s your alternative then? 😀