SUPER excited to see the 1.4T held up as good as it did. You guys beat on the Sonic WAY harder than I do mine, and seeing it handle this kind of abuse makes me feel better about dumping more money for a stronger build in the future. I wanna build to 350-400whp, instead of 250. Seeing you guys hit near 600 is impressive, then to see it come apart with VERY few flaws... That deserves a Borat VERR NICE! 😁👍🏽
Really makes you wonder if a slightly heavier oil would let you run more boost. Awesome build. Amazing what your doing with an engine with no business being as powerful as it is.
We will be watching that a little more closely on the next engine. This one was assembled with stock specs which is on the tight side, which is one of the reasons we kept the oil light.
Looks good to me! Uff, I know the feeling with the sheered flywheel bolts with the aluminum SMF. I'm sure you guys will get it sorted. Looking forward to low 10's now lol.
This car gives me hope on my buick encore street rally build. The encore had this same engine with awd you should check it out and maybe do a rally build.
May I suggest fly cutting the piston around the intake valves just a bit. Also, I would love to see this car do a drag and drive event. I bet I could get y’all into RMRW 2023, definitely could get into 1.0 2024
That's very cool. . Hay wondering if you guys can make a power build kit. Including all gaskets and parts to build the engine. Like everything valve springs head studs pistons rods. I would really like to build my 1.4 engine. Next year.
The options that such a kit would need to have, just based on the companie's 20+ years of experience, would be too much to have an easy to kit/store package. We either have or will have everything needed available, and CS can help guide you in the right direction. We do not sell "race prep" engines on the site, but we do build them for in-house customers on an as-needed basis.
Crank bearings look like any set I've pulled out of a 1.4 look totally normal. Have you guys considered clevite ones like for the cobalt for a security measure?
@@gbrunner24 wow, so much power left on the table once you get ported head and custom intake manifold. I feel the stock manifold even though it can hold boost if just very flow limited especially at the throttle body opening. Look forward to build.
@@dtbrown1978 The throttle body opening still has quite a bit larger cross section than the turbo outlet. There may be a gain there, but I don't expect it to be significant. The runner length works well, but I could see a significantly larger plenum being beneficial.
@@armcclure I'm speculating as my test of the LNF tb on even a ported manifold was pretty much zero gain in throttle response or power vs stock TB as the intake manifold TB opening is significant less than the LNF TB. I did have an interesting result when testing the LNF TB with a heavier WGA spring as it did pickup a bit whereas before with stock TB nothing. Similar result with the LNF going from stock intake to GM intake it did gain unlike with the stock TB little to no difference. I test using a Dragy 0-60, 1/8th mile and I have an automatic so very consistent with tests. From my testing the LNF on a stock turbo has little to no benefit as the stock TB is sufficient for the amount of volume the stock turbo can produce even at 20 psi. I'll be testing the LNF with an upgraded turbo soon so if my test are right I may see a larger performance gain with the added flow rate.
My wife has a sonic with this engine. The thing has a warped head after overheating about a dozen times and it’s glued together with K-Seal for the last 20k miles. Little piece of shit has lifter tick, neglected oil changes over and over. Yea it pissed water everywhere after a water pump failure. Yea the intake manifold+PCV+valve cover whatever system failed, but whatever. I respect it I guess.
So your going to sit there and tell me that the stock block isnt at least flexing? No head lifting issues? Is the stock block really THAT good?? and the crank too?? Also what did you mean by knock monster?
Well, it's not like I had load cells placed throughout the block, but I can tell you that if there was any flex, it wasn't enough to leave a single trace. All of the bearings were in spectacular shape, and the only damage to the crank was where the flywheel bolts had snapped. You have to keep in mind that this is an iron block with a full bedplate design (as opposed to individual main caps) similar to the Ecotecs that we're all more familiar with. Additionally, this engine is incredibly compact. None of the typical flex points really have enough leverage to do any damage. The bore spacing is very tight, and the bore is relatively small, both of which are favorable for keeping the head clamped down.
As far as "knock monster" I meant that the factory knock sensor is very sensitive to noise, far more than any other engine combo I've dealt with. Switching from a full exhaust to the hood exit exhaust made the knock sensor go crazy, and I had to switch back to more traditional standalone type tuning. Reading plugs, inspecting pistons, watching boost and backpressure fluctuations, etc. All things that need done anyway on an engine running at this level, but especially important when you can't fully trust the knock sensor.
@@ZZPerformanceChannel Do you think youll be running into the limits of the factory transmission soon? Have you run into any issues with that transmission and fixxed it?
@@dantheman1998 The transmission failures were more of my fault than the actual power. Worn synchros and teeth on gears gave us some issues, but we haven't broken anything OEM from pure power. You can still purchase new OEM gears and synchros from overseas (although it's kind of hard to find).
My LSJ was over 200k before I did my first turbo swap, this engine was put in fresh a couple years ago. I mis-spoke in the video; This engine has been in for 2 years but this was the start of the 3rd season. I should have Tyler add up the slips and dyno pulls sometime...
Is there any powertrain or suspension difference between the pre and post facelift sonic 1.4s? As well as normal 1.4 vs rs? Additionally, what was done since the last breakdown and parts list besides the new turbo?
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Just that fact you guys are getting over 600WHP out of a motor with less than two liters of displacement is pretty neat.
Neat lol. Yeah it is
SUPER excited to see the 1.4T held up as good as it did.
You guys beat on the Sonic WAY harder than I do mine, and seeing it handle this kind of abuse makes me feel better about dumping more money for a stronger build in the future.
I wanna build to 350-400whp, instead of 250.
Seeing you guys hit near 600 is impressive, then to see it come apart with VERY few flaws...
That deserves a Borat VERR NICE! 😁👍🏽
Much success!
Low-key super impressed with this. I see a lot of hate for the 1.4 but it's actually a pretty decent little motor...
Just a crummy cooling system
@Richard Russell why they sell parts for it
Ikr
Really makes you wonder if a slightly heavier oil would let you run more boost. Awesome build. Amazing what your doing with an engine with no business being as powerful as it is.
We will be watching that a little more closely on the next engine. This one was assembled with stock specs which is on the tight side, which is one of the reasons we kept the oil light.
Looks good to me! Uff, I know the feeling with the sheered flywheel bolts with the aluminum SMF. I'm sure you guys will get it sorted. Looking forward to low 10's now lol.
I myself am happy to see so little damage done to the engine.
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Al is so jacked that shirts with sleeves just don't stand a chance.
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Awesome video guys!
Thanks for watching!
I love this car
This car gives me hope on my buick encore street rally build. The encore had this same engine with awd you should check it out and maybe do a rally build.
May I suggest fly cutting the piston around the intake valves just a bit. Also, I would love to see this car do a drag and drive event. I bet I could get y’all into RMRW 2023, definitely could get into 1.0 2024
Yeah I’m going to have future pistons made with larger/deeper valve reliefs, and note the change in the part number.
No this is good news for anyone considering on building ones as a sleeper. A 11 sec. Would baffle most who pulls up next to you.
That's very cool. . Hay wondering if you guys can make a power build kit. Including all gaskets and parts to build the engine. Like everything valve springs head studs pistons rods. I would really like to build my 1.4 engine. Next year.
The options that such a kit would need to have, just based on the companie's 20+ years of experience, would be too much to have an easy to kit/store package. We either have or will have everything needed available, and CS can help guide you in the right direction.
We do not sell "race prep" engines on the site, but we do build them for in-house customers on an as-needed basis.
@@armcclure OK thanks . I have had hard time finding full gasket kit.
Do you guys build auto trans
Would knife edging the crank not improve performance?
When will you guys get 600hp out of the zzp cadillac 2.0
Already have! Back in 2018/2019 we made over 600whp on our customer Allen Mayo's car. We'll be shooting for 1000 in the upcoming year.
Crank bearings look like any set I've pulled out of a 1.4 look totally normal. Have you guys considered clevite ones like for the cobalt for a security measure?
I am going to look at what options are available for the next engine.
Have you guys considered running the stroked crank from the LFV to bring up the displacement to 1.5L? Would that even be a good idea?
You're a mad man. start a go fund me I'll donate.
Congratulations on not ALOT of damage. Very impressive little motor
hallo, I have an opel corsa D 1.4 ecotec engine block is broken and can I use a chevrolet cruze 1.4 turbo engine block?
I've got a corsa e with the same engine. They are basically the same, yes.
850hp next?? Oring block all the boost??
Great vid! Does this have a ported head or stock?
Stock head and our stage 1 cam. Will be getting a ported head and our stage 2's when it's back together!
@@gbrunner24 wow, so much power left on the table once you get ported head and custom intake manifold. I feel the stock manifold even though it can hold boost if just very flow limited especially at the throttle body opening. Look forward to build.
@@dtbrown1978 The throttle body opening still has quite a bit larger cross section than the turbo outlet. There may be a gain there, but I don't expect it to be significant. The runner length works well, but I could see a significantly larger plenum being beneficial.
@@armcclure I'm speculating as my test of the LNF tb on even a ported manifold was pretty much zero gain in throttle response or power vs stock TB as the intake manifold TB opening is significant less than the LNF TB. I did have an interesting result when testing the LNF TB with a heavier WGA spring as it did pickup a bit whereas before with stock TB nothing. Similar result with the LNF going from stock intake to GM intake it did gain unlike with the stock TB little to no difference. I test using a Dragy 0-60, 1/8th mile and I have an automatic so very consistent with tests.
From my testing the LNF on a stock turbo has little to no benefit as the stock TB is sufficient for the amount of volume the stock turbo can produce even at 20 psi. I'll be testing the LNF with an upgraded turbo soon so if my test are right I may see a larger performance gain with the added flow rate.
Im trying to buy a 1.4L LUV forged motor from you guys. Lots of yalls mods already sent a rod last week
My wife has a sonic with this engine. The thing has a warped head after overheating about a dozen times and it’s glued together with K-Seal for the last 20k miles. Little piece of shit has lifter tick, neglected oil changes over and over. Yea it pissed water everywhere after a water pump failure. Yea the intake manifold+PCV+valve cover whatever system failed, but whatever. I respect it I guess.
Also lookin big bro
Are these 1.4 luvs really that unreliable? I hear so many people saying worst engine ever etc?
I just want my 1.4t to run right during daily driving
Impressive!
So your going to sit there and tell me that the stock block isnt at least flexing? No head lifting issues? Is the stock block really THAT good?? and the crank too?? Also what did you mean by knock monster?
Well, it's not like I had load cells placed throughout the block, but I can tell you that if there was any flex, it wasn't enough to leave a single trace. All of the bearings were in spectacular shape, and the only damage to the crank was where the flywheel bolts had snapped.
You have to keep in mind that this is an iron block with a full bedplate design (as opposed to individual main caps) similar to the Ecotecs that we're all more familiar with.
Additionally, this engine is incredibly compact. None of the typical flex points really have enough leverage to do any damage. The bore spacing is very tight, and the bore is relatively small, both of which are favorable for keeping the head clamped down.
As far as "knock monster" I meant that the factory knock sensor is very sensitive to noise, far more than any other engine combo I've dealt with. Switching from a full exhaust to the hood exit exhaust made the knock sensor go crazy, and I had to switch back to more traditional standalone type tuning. Reading plugs, inspecting pistons, watching boost and backpressure fluctuations, etc. All things that need done anyway on an engine running at this level, but especially important when you can't fully trust the knock sensor.
Now i want a sonic for a daily and mess around car that isn't too expensive. Thanks guys lmao
Anytime ;)
how many hours were on this engine?
Many. Over 3 years, 50-100 drag passes, and likely 200+ dyno pulls.
Hi al
I agree foreign object caused the damage.
Why you guys d’ont try to push the max out of a 1.8 Building turbo kits and ect…
what transmission are you using?
It has a factory 1.8 Chevy Cruze transmission with Sonic RS final drive.
@@ZZPerformanceChannel Do you think youll be running into the limits of the factory transmission soon? Have you run into any issues with that transmission and fixxed it?
@@dantheman1998 The transmission failures were more of my fault than the actual power. Worn synchros and teeth on gears gave us some issues, but we haven't broken anything OEM from pure power. You can still purchase new OEM gears and synchros from overseas (although it's kind of hard to find).
@@gbrunner24 isn't this transmission still in production? Why is it hard to get parts???
Didn't that thing have like a billion miles on it before you even started modding? Or was that your LSJ?
So what's next for the Sonic?
My LSJ was over 200k before I did my first turbo swap, this engine was put in fresh a couple years ago. I mis-spoke in the video; This engine has been in for 2 years but this was the start of the 3rd season.
I should have Tyler add up the slips and dyno pulls sometime...
Wait like 576 horsepower?????? On a 1.4????
Is there any powertrain or suspension difference between the pre and post facelift sonic 1.4s? As well as normal 1.4 vs rs? Additionally, what was done since the last breakdown and parts list besides the new turbo?
@@zachward6441 since the last engine swap all we’ve changed was the turbo and added a 35 shot for this last event.
Suspension wise I’m personally not familiar with the facelift changes.
@@zachward6441 Suspension and powertrain is exactly the same between the "generations" of Sonic; only differences were cosmetic exterior and interior.
Rally cars have done that for decades
I heard a rumor this engine was missing parts? 🙃
Missing what parts?
Ounces make pounds
i bet they came loose a little and snapped.
I believe that the aluminum directly under the bolt heads yielded, taking the tension off of the bolts and allowing them to work loose.
@@armcclure I agree