Applying the tool to the work to remove material doesn’t change much from one job to another. But every setup is a new adventure and that is what separates the men from the boys. You are the man! This vid was a good illustration of using your head and applying many years of experience to get r done. 😎👍👀
i would not have thought to ignore the axial runout , that saved a lot of time. i probably would have opened up the stud holes a little more most drums i have worked with had plenty of clearance for the studs. you always come up with clever time saving setups.
Sometimes it is inposabil to get the correct part because the person behind the counter is not educated enough . I found it of great value to find a part store that has well trained people behind the counter ! The problem, bean counters think any low payed worker can do the job. They can just not well, the stor losing money is the result .
another great video, watched it again today. After watching your last 4or 5 videos the names of them are quite funny, your sense of humour must be coming back. I enjoy you videos, keep them coming and Getter Done.
oi Keith I know the noise ...its the square drives on the chuck... they have a little play and drop in and out as it rotates, giving you that noise .. made me look for it too
Hi Kieth, I would suggest to the customer that he pull the hub assembly off the axle with the new drum and have it skimmed to true the drum to the hub and have the brake shoes re-profiled. If it is truly an Oshkosh part for an Oshkosh axle, and not a mongrel make up, then there is something amiss if they do not match from new. Take care.
Hi Kieth, I've seen some pretty worn brake drums, where the linings are gone and the metal backing had also work to foil thickness in the centre with a corresponding groove inside the drum. The customer said the brakes were squealing, no mention of any drop in breaking power! They were off about a 4 ton truck, no power boost in those days, so pedal pressure must have been enormous.
Breaking those holes sounded like some sort of really monster rap beat... you should record that stuff and float it to the hip hop crowd as a side business!! may pay more than machine shop work.
Keith, it's always a pleasure to watch you work. I must say I like your watch! I've got a soft spot for knives, torches and watches, especially blue faced ones.
My first thought was: "How is he going to tighten the chuck?" ... It must have been very little extra space for the ratchet there in between. But, clearance is clearance no matter how small it is. Nice thinking on the centering and ignoring the whipslash. It really does not matter on a short distance like that, unmeasurable even. Thanks for the video !
The favorite part of your videos for me has always been ‘creative’ setups. Sadly, not many videos on RUclips of late, and I don’t use facepuke anymore so RUclips is it for me. I know it’s time consuming, but please try to do more RUclips content for a loyal supporter.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Once again an excellent video, interesting and unusual, and far superior to the usual run-of-the-mill videos we see from most of the other Internet machinists. Bravo.
Sounds like somebody ordered a stud centric drum when they needed hub centric. Considering most of those drums only cost $100 in the first place hard to justify modifying one versus just getting the right part. Of course then again if you don’t no the right part person or where to shop you may not ever get the right part. Must be a cement truck if it’s an Oshkosh
Sorry I think you might be missing the point a little here. The facts are the guy that owns these drums knows of Keith. He knows he's the kinda guy that will take on a job like this to help someone out...Keith is not making a ton of money from stuff like this, but he's working and doing someone a favour. In this modern world where everyone is trying to maximize their revenue streams I'm very happy there's still Keith's about.
@@iiredeye I hope Keith is not doing work for "very little money". The favour he is doing for his mate, is that he is doing "The Right Job", it will be correct...Guaranteed. The money is as it should be.
Most truck part places measure them with floppy tape measures that are barely readable combine that with parts guys that can’t read a tape or care that their screw up costs time and money and it’s little wonder the parts don’t fit
Okay, I understand exactly what you did. But now the actual studs, installed in to the corresponding holes on the equipment, have to be absolutely on target or the drum will never fit on. Also, watching the drum spin on the lathe, looks like it was machined off center from the factory if you watch the run out on the casting. I surely hope they turned the inside drum surface to center. Otherwise I can easily see a pulsating brake pedal... Nice work on your part. Thumbs Up!
surprised they didn't just use a small flapper wheel, or slotted shaft and sand paper to open the holes so the studs fit LOL. I mean, that's what most mechanic shops would have done, so long as they weren't eating the conical taper mate surface away ( if it wasn;t flat washer/flange bolt)
"Some Assembly Required". Did supplier indicate that it was not a direct replacement? Perhaps they stock a "standard size" that fits several applications? Or-- perhaps the manufacturer changed production specs with newer years and stock numbers reflect the newer numbers?
I have a garage woodshop here in North Texas. The word sander means something else to me. I had to search to determine that this was a sander truck and not some gigantic sanding machine for wood. :-)
I suppose that cast drum acts like the paper on a speaker cone and amplifies any gearbox rattles. Like cooling fins on a motorcycle radiating vibration as well as heat.
What brake system is the owner running in board brakes bud stile two preice nut set up or pilot set up it make a big difference on the fitment . also did he get the correct drums for his application like some one had previously mentions. But a very good fix to the problem
woah, tapered seat stud and flat shoulder stud drum? opened the hub bore which would center that type? just what are they trying to do, adapt something no longer made to a dinosaur? (lug/stud centric vs hub centric) not much good will come of that in general
bad drum or different from the original as its no longer available? if the second scenario applies i'd think about changing the hub not the drum for future replacements.
It seemed that you checked the wrong end of the studs in the Drum holes? Perhaps not. They were it seemed 0.040" too tight. Someone should have mic'd the Hub that fits the hole in the Drum. That centres the hub and carries the load.
I am not familiar with cars, may i ask a question? If it's just couple thou differences, why not turning the studs instead? Shaving a peel from those look easiler than mounting that drum cover on the lathe.
I found a large discrepancy on a large pump part, checking the specs there was a .014 larger port on a hydraulic motor driver pump. The parts were coming back from the shop and they were asking for NDE Magnaflux... $$$ a pop. I checked the records and they were getting bigger by serial # over a 6 month time. The mfg. found a machine they used to QC the parts hadn't been calibrated for 23 years! Brake drums are QC'd right? The mfg. should be doing the work, that guy just paid you for... SSHH! LOL
@7:16 - What is it that you were hearing? What made you keep listening to the lathe at that point? The way you touched each of the jaws, it made me think you heard metal on metal rattling. Curious. I should have watched just a MINUTE longer.
@@bulwinkle it could introduce a small amount vibration but they won't realize the cause. They won't have the brake drum on the tire and wheel when and if they balance it.
lol thanks keith was this just for me cuz i messaged you ? im special but not that special if you did..either way thanks for the videos hope the grandson time wasnt cut short
Great to have a stop on the net where you can hear the "do what you're supposed to do;" "just for GP;" and "get' er done" trifecta in one shot.
These jobs make the case for a guy to have a gap bed in the shop.. nice work as always Keith and great to see ya. God bless ya brother!
Yes they do
Or really big machines like Brian. :)
I can relate to the fear the first couple times we have to pull the gap... lol :o) .
O,,,
Applying the tool to the work to remove material doesn’t change much from one job to another. But every setup is a new adventure and that is what separates the men from the boys. You are the man! This vid was a good illustration of using your head and applying many years of experience to get r done. 😎👍👀
Right on
"This one's pretty much used up." I laughed out loud. I love your dry sense of humor.
You have one of the best metal working channels on you tube.Thank you.🇩🇰
Wow, thanks!
I am always amazed at the jobs that come your way. Who is better than you to handle these tough jobs. You are a master and I love your videos.
I like the way you start each episode.
That used up drum brake can now be used as a disk brake conversion ,,,, Hoorah !
Great vid Keith ,,
I always love a job done on the Colchester 17". Keep those videos coming. -Doozer
Thanks, will do!
i would not have thought to ignore the axial runout , that saved a lot of time. i probably would have opened up the stud holes a little more most drums i have worked with had plenty of clearance for the studs. you always come up with clever time saving setups.
Sometimes it is inposabil to get the correct part because the person behind the counter is not educated enough . I found it of great value to find a part store that has well trained people behind the counter ! The problem, bean counters think any low payed worker can do the job. They can just not well, the stor losing money is the result .
At least you are drumming up business at your new location !!! ;-)
another great video, watched it again today. After watching your last 4or 5 videos the names of them are quite funny, your sense of humour must be coming back. I enjoy you videos, keep them coming and Getter Done.
I like how Kieth drums it down in a clear and concise manner that I understand. 😀
Great work Keith, thanks for sharing.
oi Keith I know the noise ...its the square drives on the chuck... they have a little play and drop in and out as it rotates, giving you that noise .. made me look for it too
Yeah, the noise is always there, it just became very apparent when the brake drum acted as a big bell and amplified it.
The key hole chuck adjustment pinion gear dives, have a little clearance and they echoed inside the drum. ;{)
Hi Kieth,
I would suggest to the customer that he pull the hub assembly off the axle with the new drum and have it skimmed to true the drum to the hub and have the brake shoes re-profiled.
If it is truly an Oshkosh part for an Oshkosh axle, and not a mongrel make up, then there is something amiss if they do not match from new.
Take care.
Good to see ya back in the new year :)
Happy new year!
Hi Kieth, I've seen some pretty worn brake drums, where the linings are gone and the metal backing had also work to foil thickness in the centre with a corresponding groove inside the drum.
The customer said the brakes were squealing, no mention of any drop in breaking power! They were off about a 4 ton truck, no power boost in those days, so pedal pressure must have been enormous.
Breaking those holes sounded like some sort of really monster rap beat... you should record that stuff and float it to the hip hop crowd as a side business!! may pay more than machine shop work.
Who said machinist’s don’t get a workout! Nice job Keith👍
Keith, it's always a pleasure to watch you work. I must say I like your watch! I've got a soft spot for knives, torches and watches, especially blue faced ones.
Keith sure does have a way to drum up business, so as to drum up viewer ship. Some days are like a drum, you just hit softly. ;>-)
Creative workholding setups, one of the big reasons I watch. I learn something from every video.
Who knew Keith was so good on the drums ......... rock on.
Oh, come on. That old drum will go another 30,000 miles. It won’t stop worth a darn, but it’ll go a long way. 😁
Thanks,
John
Hello Keith,
As always and entertaining video...
Take care
Paul,,
Thanks, will do!
Good to hear that Theme Music again....!
My first thought was: "How is he going to tighten the chuck?" ...
It must have been very little extra space for the ratchet there in between. But, clearance is clearance no matter how small it is.
Nice thinking on the centering and ignoring the whipslash. It really does not matter on a short distance like that, unmeasurable even.
Thanks for the video !
THANK YOU...for sharing. Great fix, enjoyed.
The favorite part of your videos for me has always been ‘creative’ setups. Sadly, not many videos on RUclips of late, and I don’t use facepuke anymore so RUclips is it for me. I know it’s time consuming, but please try to do more RUclips content for a loyal supporter.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hi Keith! Great video! I Always a pleasure seeing you work! Take care!
Nice quick work.Nice job for gap bed lathe. Thank you for sharing.
Once again an excellent video, interesting and unusual, and far superior to the usual run-of-the-mill videos we see from most of the other Internet machinists. Bravo.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@KeithFenner I've never seen the bed section removed before. I assume it is an operation rarely done, and only by an expert.
Now you have an excuse for a bigger lathe! Congratulations!
nice job! good to see you back, I hope to see more videos in the uture :)
Yeah I'd say that old drum was just about ready to be retired!
Nice job Keith, in regards to the gap fear, I haven't opened mine up for over 30 years, so I know what you mean! Enjoyed, cheers!
A real professional 👍
takes a creative mind to 'getter done' sometimes doesn't it...............
Sounds like somebody ordered a stud centric drum when they needed hub centric. Considering most of those drums only cost $100 in the first place hard to justify modifying one versus just getting the right part. Of course then again if you don’t no the right part person or where to shop you may not ever get the right part. Must be a cement truck if it’s an Oshkosh
Sorry I think you might be missing the point a little here. The facts are the guy that owns these drums knows of Keith. He knows he's the kinda guy that will take on a job like this to help someone out...Keith is not making a ton of money from stuff like this, but he's working and doing someone a favour. In this modern world where everyone is trying to maximize their revenue streams I'm very happy there's still Keith's about.
@@iiredeye I hope Keith is not doing work for "very little money". The favour he is doing for his mate, is that he is doing "The Right Job", it will be correct...Guaranteed. The money is as it should be.
@@iiredeye you might need to take a look at bcbloc02 channel. he is a master just as keith
@@westonwaters7984 Indeed they both are!!! :o) .
O,,,
Most truck part places measure them with floppy tape measures that are barely readable combine that with parts guys that can’t read a tape or care that their screw up costs time and money and it’s little wonder the parts don’t fit
Wuz wondering how you were going to get to the adjustment slugs on your chuck!
Really enjoyed the video, Thanks for sharing. Be Careful, and Stay Safe.
Bob
Good stuff. I am aquamarine with envy.
Okay, I understand exactly what you did. But now the actual studs, installed in to the corresponding holes on the equipment, have to be absolutely on target or the drum will never fit on. Also, watching the drum spin on the lathe, looks like it was machined off center from the factory if you watch the run out on the casting. I surely hope they turned the inside drum surface to center. Otherwise I can easily see a pulsating brake pedal... Nice work on your part. Thumbs Up!
with air brakes you dont feel it in the pedal lol
the three keiths are good to watch.
I jumped straight on the anchors to watch this video.....😎
GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK, NOW LET'S GO TO WORK...
Thank you!
Thank you Keith.
Nice to see another video
surprised they didn't just use a small flapper wheel, or slotted shaft and sand paper to open the holes so the studs fit LOL.
I mean, that's what most mechanic shops would have done, so long as they weren't eating the conical taper mate surface away ( if it wasn;t flat washer/flange bolt)
Good to see the drill press back! A friend has one but it never had power feed.
"Some Assembly Required". Did supplier indicate that it was not a direct replacement? Perhaps they stock a "standard size" that fits several applications? Or-- perhaps the manufacturer changed production specs with newer years and stock numbers reflect the newer numbers?
I have a garage woodshop here in North Texas. The word sander means something else to me. I had to search to determine that this was a sander truck and not some gigantic sanding machine for wood. :-)
LOL Hauls Grit!
Nice job, Keith. You got 'er dun.
I love hearing the kids recite the pledge of allegiance. I can't help but say it with them.
Well done. Keep the vids coming. Could you show us the tricks (if any) to getting the gap bed aligned back up?
Nice, thanks for sharing Keith. Stay safe
Thanks, you too!
Pay me my shop rate and I'll make those drums fit anything your little heart desires. 👍 Getter Done ;-)~
We call those trucks Salt Shakers up where I live.
That old drum was definitely used up!
I suppose that cast drum acts like the paper on a speaker cone and amplifies any gearbox rattles. Like cooling fins on a motorcycle radiating vibration as well as heat.
The key hole chuck adjustment pinion gear dives, have a little clearance and they echoed inside the drum. ;{)
What brake system is the owner running in board brakes bud stile two preice nut set up or pilot set up it make a big difference on the fitment . also did he get the correct drums for his application like some one had previously mentions. But a very good fix to the problem
woah, tapered seat stud and flat shoulder stud drum? opened the hub bore which would center that type?
just what are they trying to do, adapt something no longer made to a dinosaur? (lug/stud centric vs hub centric) not much good will come of that in general
Per- if-er-el.
Good luck
bad drum or different from the original as its no longer available? if the second scenario applies i'd think about changing the hub not the drum for future replacements.
Thanks Keith, must be some hefty shoes to fit that drum. Regards from the UK, or what's left of it
Great video Keith!, i have the same clausing lathe and so if faced with this problem its good to know what i need to do!
Been there done that, good job !
"This one here is pretty well used up." LOL - ya think?
It seemed that you checked the wrong end of the studs in the Drum holes? Perhaps not. They were it seemed 0.040" too tight. Someone should have mic'd the Hub that fits the hole in the Drum. That centres the hub and carries the load.
I thought old brake drums would make a great base for a bench grinder or a vice.
or a forge for a blacksmith.
I have a bench grinder mounted to one and can tilt it and roll it out the door to do dusty work.
Since the stud holes are only about 3 thou under size, why not use a reamer?
Good morning Keith
I am not familiar with cars, may i ask a question? If it's just couple thou differences, why not turning the studs instead? Shaving a peel from those look easiler than mounting that drum cover on the lathe.
Thanks Keith.
I hear it too!
The key hole chuck adjustment pinion gear dives, have a little clearance and they echoed inside the drum. ;{)
19:20 cool dubstep beats ;-)
Thanks for the pledge. Perfect.
Hola meu amigo Keith!!!
Gosto de ver o jeito que trabalha!!!
Bom ver que você esta bem,abraço!!!
Atenciosamente João Carlos - Brasil
Hola keith como estas ? muy bueno el trabajo . espero ayas comenzado un buen año perdón que no lo ,traduje saludos ariel de T.M.P
You checked finished holes with the wrong end of the stud I think. Perhaps not.. Hope it still fits. Seemed tight on the holes.
LOL
just another 1000th :) the master
This old tony brought me here
I think the best bet is to send that $hit back to CHIMA
Have you checked the cost to ship to China?
Ohhh, those are nice looking little chips coming off there. 😏
I found a large discrepancy on a large pump part, checking the specs there was a .014 larger port on a hydraulic motor driver pump. The parts were coming back from the shop and they were asking for NDE Magnaflux... $$$ a pop. I checked the records and they were getting bigger by serial # over a 6 month time. The mfg. found a machine they used to QC the parts hadn't been calibrated for 23 years! Brake drums are QC'd right? The mfg. should be doing the work, that guy just paid you for... SSHH! LOL
Was the inside of that drum as out of round as the outside?
@7:16 - What is it that you were hearing? What made you keep listening to the lathe at that point? The way you touched each of the jaws, it made me think you heard metal on metal rattling. Curious. I should have watched just a MINUTE longer.
The key hole chuck adjustment pinion gear dives, have a little clearance and they echoed inside the drum. ;{)
OK, easy on the back. Don't want bending over heavy stuff and trying to lift it.
In this case, down is good!
There looks to be a fair amount of runout on the od of the 1st drum.
They cast the drum and only machine the necessary surfaces.
@@buckinthetree1233 yes but wheel ballance will take some work.
@@bulwinkle it could introduce a small amount vibration but they won't realize the cause. They won't have the brake drum on the tire and wheel when and if they balance it.
@ Keith Fenner and the beat goes on.
Some reason your "friend" didn't order the right parts? in this day and age you can get parts for most anything
I wonder who your customer is...looks like a brand of drum that I sell here in the Northeast.
lol thanks keith was this just for me cuz i messaged you ? im special but not that special if you did..either way thanks for the videos hope the grandson time wasnt cut short
Hope you have really good insurance......in case something you machined causes a death or injury in an accident
Darn VW brake drums!
Under statement of the year. Yep that brake drum is definitely all used up.
I thought it was called air brakes
@@Kowalski301 Good hone and polish good for another million miles.....
You hear the bearing amplified?
The key hole chuck adjustment pinion gear dives, have a little clearance and they echoed inside the drum. ;{)