Red Bull's meltdown
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2024
- Recent news regarding Max Verstappen moving to Mercedes took the F1 world by surprise. Max Verstappen is currently dominating the sport with Red Bull, and a move to their rivals seemed impossible. But with the future of Helmut Marko in Red Bull looking uncertain, Verstappen made his support for Marko clear, and suggested the firing of Helmut Marko could also see him depart the team. This news has stolen the headlines in Formula 1, and is regarded by many as Red Bulls Meltdown. Enjoy!
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If infighting can take down the Roman Empire, it can take Red Bull down too.
Very reductionist view on the downfall of the Roman Empire 😮
So barbarian king Odoacer is Toto Wolf😂?
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt (I am an idiot who doesn't know anything about the Roman Empire)
The situation in Redbull will go back to normal. There is nothing to discuss now.
@@magicvibrations5180 while the real roman empire ( ferrari) is stealing from the bavarians! 🤣👍
Drive to survives wet dream
They hired Quinton Tarantino for season 7
I wouldn't be surprised if DTS doesn't cover this at all, actually - or maybe they'll mention it briefly without underlining the gravity of the situation. I have a feeling that the show is allowed behind-the-scenes access only bc the teams/FIA screen the content for anything that could 'bring the sport into disrepute' or otherwise cause a higher-up any embarrassment. They didn't even cover Perez's struggle to hold onto 2nd place in the championship, unfortunately.
They still manage to mess it up
Nah - they'll do more Danny Ric episodes instead.
@@joesinclair9731what else is expected from Netflix?
Toto said they needed a “mascot”. Jos and Marko ought to be smart enough to realize that if Max goes to Mercedes, they will be kept in small pens out behind the paddock.
In another country….
You say that and I kind of thought the same at first but then I remembered Niki Lauda! Similarly outspoken but far more respected. Very similar to how Marko is at RB
@@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines Except Marko is a massive knob and Lauda was not
@alexwebb9124 tbf Toto has respect for him Helmut said that it was mistake to drop Yuki Horner wanted to do it last year he was told they could lose customer support from Honda so Helmut won the argument because of that
Even if Marko goes - At the end of the day - I have to think that Max wouldn't self -destruct his own career by leaving what is the greatest car on the grid.
But is it going to still be the greatest car when the regulations change. The 2013 Redbull looked like an unstoppable juggernaut but they were nowhere in 2014
Any team that takes Max will get his dad as well, and his dad will cause problems for the team.
Yeah. Max comes with a headache baggage that gonna cause some chaos in garage. That also show how desperate AMG Mercedes and Toto when they're willing to bid for Max after all this past year cynical comment😂
Strange take. What problems has Jos caused in the past for Red Bull? Sides have been drawn and Max, Jos and Helmut are on the opposite side of Horner. How can you tell who is in the right?
@@citoantenothing to do with right or wrong. As an organization, you always want to keep control over all aspects of your organization. Fight internally all you want, but every time things don’t go Max’s way, you can be sure that Jos will be mouthing off in the media. Dude is out of control.
@@MrPwncake there is a war in RB. Whether Jos says anything or not Max will leave if it comes to that.
@@citoante Love Verstappen but his dad is a pain. Helmut is on the opposite of Horner as well but even he has not made these kind of statements about the situation yet. And even if he did, he does contribute to the team. What does Jos do?
It’s like Max is Anakin and Helmut is Palpatine, beautiful
Jos is Palpatine. Helmut is Count Dooku lool
I think it's more likely Max retires and races for another promotion rather than him racing for another team in F1
As a RB & Max fan, kinda nervous rn lol
Your not alone bro, godspeed.
*You're @@CR00SWIJK
The only thing I'm hoping could hold the team together is the continued success of the team, I'm hoping that they can see they're better off when they work together and focus on what's important.
oh well he's still going to drive who cares what car
Two sides have been created...I don't think things can go back to normal without someone being fired.
I don't think Max would leave a guaranteed drivers championship to drive the 4th best car on the grid just because his dad said something to the media. The only person Max has ACTUALLY said he would leave over is GP. And Red Bull announced yesterday that Marko was staying.
Nothing to these Artikles.
To quote Helmut Marko yesterday after the GP "This leaking, to qoute Niki Lauda, is Bull Shit" He further said "Its good to know, that Max will leave when i do. He is one of, if not the only driver left with morality (....) I had a nice talk with the owners, we agreed in almost every point. My contract still is three years up to 2027 (....) i will stay to my contract, to the end"
Rocket powered Mohawk has the take
The *NERVE*
*JUST* clocked out AND a new video from you ???? Hell Yeah !!!
Enjoy! 😁
The tension between Christian and Helmut doesn't seem to be sustainable, and Christian has the backing of the majority stakeholder. So I'm saying Helmut and Max will definitely leave Red Bull.
Mercedes is the only viable option for Max as far as I can see, unless he can take Adrian Newey and half of RB's engineers along to another team such as McLaren or Aston Martin.
If I'm Adrian Newey, I'm probably heading to Ferrari to try and make another Shumacher type era happen.
If Newey is heading to Ferrari, I'll feel triple bad for Sainz.
Newey will go where Max goes. Anyone can win in a Newey car, but not everyone can dominate in a Newey car like Max does.
@@whereIstood0705
Yeah, he deserves so much more. With the full backing of a big team he could do great things.
@@glouise9seb did
@@oxii99 didn't say only max could. But I agree with oxii, it takes someone special to make the package complete. They complement each other. Can just imagine newey his face building a winner then screwing him over with Ferrari tactics 😂
Honestly I'm not worried about Jos verstappens comments... he's Jo's verstappen he said Perez gets preferential treatment in Redhill when he won jeddah last year
As well as Max is doing does he really think he can beat a Redbull. Lando Norris, Charles Leclerc, Carlos Sainz, Fernando Alonso, and Lewis Hamilton, all finished behind Sergio Perez last year.
So if Max was in the Ferrari at Bahrain do you not think he could have made that 3 second difference to beat Perez that Sainz didn’t quite manage?
@@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines that´s Perez. Now imagine Alonso or Lando in that RB, Max will only see the RB for the first 5 laps and the rest in his dreams.
@@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines What are you even...? If Max leaves they won't continue with one mediocre driver and an empty seat!
@@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines you are right put Max in a Mercedes Ferrari or Mclaren en he can still win
Max is better than all of them
Guess we are up for the most explosive silly season in years
With how weird things are getting, it just feels like so many people are pulling strings behind the scenes whether it's Jos, Red Bull management in Austria, Red Bull management in Thailand, etc. It ballooned from a disgruntled employee into now being the one thing that could put Red Bull 2026 in trouble. I won't be surprised if the disgruntled employee and their peers are also in on this. If there's one thing I know about allegations that gets dismissed is that the first time they're dismissed isn't the end of things, it's just the start of something worse. Someone would do whatever it takes, even if it means bending the rules and playing dirty, if they really want to get rid of someone. Even if it means leaking confidential documents to the press and F1 or escalating things to FOM, anything is fair game if you really want to get rid of a person. I'm not saying they're the ones that leaked those files, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that's what happened.
I won't be surprised if all this power struggle started when Dietrich passed away. Maybe that common desire for motorsport and close relationship between Red Bull management (Dietrich) and Red Bull F1 (Christian and Helmut) was one of the few things keeping things together. Worst case is that Red Bull could loose Helmut and Max to maybe Mercedes, Adrian could follow Max and Helmut to Mercedes or go to Ferrari, and then Christian maybe ultimately could be pushed to leave as well (just outright sacked if Red Bull management get fed up). So in just one year, Red Bull would loose all the ring leaders that were key to where they are now.
“disgruntled employee” dawg it involves sexual harrassment. she’s a victim. christian did this all himself
If she is telling the truth.
You are assumig that this acusations are true, everyone is not guilty until is proven to be guilty @@xfreja
@@xfreja Well the investigation that was launched for that already cleared Christian. So unless you have some new information, then I'd stick to "innocent until proven guilty" and to what is known rather than placing labels on people such as "victim" or "harasser" prematurely.
@@tomloverin9073 The question isn't "If," it's "Is"
And in that sense it's only theorizing that would suggest she is telling the truth. But until new evidence comes out that suggests harassment did happen (and if it is the truth that's the case then Christian needs to go), then I'd rather not think of hypotheticals when the matter has already been resolved by an independent investigation.
This is more entertaining than what’s happening on track
You didn’t tell us that Toto said: “We just lost our old mascot so a new one would be welcome.” Refering to “replacing” Niki Lauda with Helmut Marko 😭
If I’m a driver in F1, I’m not interested in we’re Dr. Marco is, I’m keeping an eye on where Adrian Newey is. That man can mold the cutting edge of the sport with his work and insight, especially with the new regulations coming up…
I will be the happiest as Alonso to Red Bull will be possible ....and max to mercedes and Leclarc and hamilton in Ferrari
Holly cow, all this story smelly so Briatore. The psychology war, the leakings. This is the question nobody is asking: if Horner is out who will be the new team principal?
Marko is 80, he will leave soon if he wants to or not.
Are you going to attend the upcoming gp in Australia this weekend?
Hey I know it was just one race but do you think you could share your thoughts on Ollie Bearman’s debut? Could he be a viable candidate for that Ferrari seat post-Hamilton?
What happened to max saying he wants to keep winning with red bull talk?! I think if horner can keep Newey and an engine supplier (ford/Honda) they will be unstoppable .
Things change and as you get older you realise nothing is set in stone.
The new regulations change in 2026 means that the engine will be key. A move to Mercedes could be a smart move for Max.
Proof: Merc made a superior PU ten years ago
Ok but y r they thinking abt kicking Helmut marko out?
The " ROCK " would say know your role and shut your mouth. 😅
most F1 fans: 'this dominance needs to be stopped!'
Jos: 'Say no more!'
I just want to see newey go to another team to mix up the performance across the grid, if this is the way that Adrian leaves im not against it
Everyone talking as if Max can drive a gocart in F1 and still win.
Put any driver in that redbull and they will dominate!
Jos is the last 1 who can judge others imo. Im a Dutchy but always been fan of Schumi. Remembering how jos even ruined his friendship with Michael cause of this kind behaviour he should just f off
In this case I am happy that I am that old to know the soup is not eaten as hot as it is served. Marko already had his concersation with Mintzlaff and stays on the team. I think Max not interfering with all what was going on was the best thing he could do.
I wonder if they are trying to find a way out before the Ford transition
HM is a relic of a past decade. He needs to retire and try his hand at fishing.
4:36 Man has it figured out!
Bye Max, Carlos and Nando in the RB's
Ohhh yeah... Max in Mercedes, and Adrian newey in Ferrari... that would balance things out for sure :)
Let Max drive a Mercedes and give the Red Bull seat to Alonso and see how it all shakes out. If Jos and Marko are this insufferable with a dominant car, who would want to deal with them in a struggling car?
Slightly off-topic, but what would you think about the implementation of endurance racing-style Balance of Performance into F1? The sport has been characterised by one team and one driver domination from as long as I can remember. Would be interesting to see the likes of Sauber battling for the lead! But then it is unfair for the most part…
And yet Porche dominating in Qatar. Lol I watched the whole race and I'm cheering for Porches. The race itself is super fun tho
@@Accept_Any_Bribe Porsche is winning everything at the moment! I’m a Cadillac fan myself, but it sure is entertaining!
My opinions:
If Horner did what he's accused of, he should go.
Marko should retire, he's showing clear signs of going senile.
Jos should mind his own business and stay out of his son's employers business.
Max should start thingking about himself for himself and stop chasing the approval he'll never get from his father.
But he DIDNT, and the woman made everything up, and it’s now SUSPENDED
@@Rapido20 I haven't seen proof either way.
How many times did he say "I mean" in this video 😂😂😂😂
I don’t see it happening. Jos and Max don’t have much negotiating power simply because red bull’s car is so good compared to anything else
New regulations are arriving in 2026 & RB reportedly behind Mercedes & Ferrari...also its their 1st time developing their own engine
@@Leo-sz1kqWow, that explains why Hamilton has chosen to leave Mercedes 😂
@@ua697 yes to Ferrari pannekoek
Also like the car is good but I don’t think max will care too much asking as the other teams have a car on a lower but somewhat close level. I mean max in a Ferrari level car would still beat Perez in the redbull.
@@ua697 Lewis chose to leave mercedes because they were not giving him the longer contract he wanted because of Kimi Antonelli as Toto mentioned...just check the facts
Crazy how the championship this year is a fight between Red Bull and itself
What if Max and co know that the next car is bad already? The Helmut get out clause becomes a useful tool!
The car will be good but their worry will be the engine! The new regs look ridiculous and in sim testing they’re running out of electric power down the straights which equates to a huge portion of total power in 26.
Someone, probably Merc will get huge jump on the others
@@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines I was going to specify engine, but i figured if the engine is bad, the car is slow, which equals bad.
I just support the Honda Engine 😂
Anyone able to explain why RB would suspend or get rid of Helmut? What have I missed?
If I’m not mistaken, it’s alleged he leaked information of the Horner investigation
It seems he dit not
Something to consider. The engine. RB struggled for years to catch merc after the rules change in 14. RB is going to be doing their own engine, with ford, who is now looking for a way out because of Horner (allegedly).
If max knows the powertrain development is behind schedule he could end up not winning in 26 anyway. So he uses this as an excuse to bail, go to Merc, learn their ways in 25, and be potentially setup pretty in 26. #myconspiracytheory
When did you did this video
Helmut is staying and i believe this all will now cool down
And if Max leaves...he will leave after the new rule change ..so next year he will stay 100%
May be max wants to hang the boots after breaking all records and end it with a high paycheck at the end and explore other options like tripple crown.
Same was done by Kimi and alonso and they do have a significant fan following and a good brand value even after F1.
Max and Lewis to Ferrari would be crazy
Max wont go and all these so called F1 commentators talking this rubbish. Max won in a canter this weekend. Max is at the top of his game and probably the best driver. But there are at least 10 drivers who would win in a Red Bull. And there is no car that Max could beat the Red Bull in. His skill is still not as good as the advantage the Red Bull would have. Max knows this and he would never leave not just yet anyway. Jos needs to go and ToTo would not let Jos have the input in Mercedes that he does at RBR. I would
Love to see Max leave, might just make F1 interesting. But last week RBR were the well oiled machine they have always been. I saw no sign of a team in conflict or about to Implode.
What most people don’t see is the fact that Max will not keep driving for many more years. He’s bored, it’s stressful, he gets attention he really hates and likes other things more, like simracing, developing younger drivers and driving theory. I think he will pack it in at about 5 DC titles and focus on other stuff in life.
It's gonna come down to Horner being let go.
Adrian Newey is an engineer. If he is getting pulled into this mess in any way, he is going to take the sailboat that is being built for him and sail of into the sunset.
He is in talks with Toyota.
Don't worry it simply want happen!
F1 needs to fix the racing
They made it closer. Red Bull is just really fkn good at it
Ironic how the biggest threat to red bull is itself at this point in the season. It's like a ticking time bomb
Soap opera, nothing else...
Netflix inside job. Made it happen on purpose xD
RUclipsrs milked the fuck out of this nonstory. Helmut is not leaving, Max is not leaving, Jos has no say in what goes or doesn't in RB. end of story
Only about 20% of Red Bull's troubles are visible to the public. It's akin to the fog of war.
Poor Dietrich is rolling right now
I don't pay attention to rumors or the gutterpress. I'm here for the racing, not Real Housewives drama.
If Max does leave there is a little bit of sporting sense to it.
2026 is bringing back engine development and Red Bull are gambling that Ford are going to come in and compete with Mercedes and Ferrari - thats unlikely to happen - remember when Honda returned with McLaren!
Sure Red Bull will win this year easily and are red hot favourites for 2025 but Maybe Max is prepared to take a downgrade for 2025 in order to be have the most dominant engine for 2026/27/28
How did F1 become so boring on track and drama filled off of it. The shit show is broken.
Can someone explain why helmut is being pushed out of Red Bull ?
Max has made Red bull, its a big ego at red bull to think its just their car.
They ended Mercedes domination, started dominating… At the dawn of the 4th championship, this happens. This is so stupid. What was the thing they didn’t have or couldn’t share that pushed these guys into this fight? Does this shit show worth it? Don’t they any fidelity for each other after working together all those years to dominate?
Marko, Horner, Verstappen…Winner of this fight is already lost.
Until the rule changes in 2026 the key word now is adrian newei
I don't think max will leave if adrian stays because if anyone takes max place and they win the world championship it will only hurt max legacy because Évryone will start saying he only won it because the car
No. I have not seen any headlines nor have a clue’s
Best thing to happen to f1. Verstrapen is so good that him in the red bull is making this sport very boring, same as from Hamilton 17-20. If they get two drivers at the same skill level in the Rbs it will be amazing for f1
I hate merc.. but part of me wants to see max in a merc beating Lewis lol
Sainz to RB. Id love that
Max won’t leave a winning car, f1 drivers can’t win races on talent alone. They contribute probs 5% to the final results
Why would max walk way from another championship ? It doesn't make any sense. If he wants to walk away redbull should let him walk away, no driver is bigger than the team
I’m only on board with Max to Mercedes if it means Alonso to Red Bull.
One thing that I think everyone forgets is that Max on his own is not very special. The reason is that we don’t know how he will perform in a Mercedes that wasn’t built up for him over generations upon generations of cars. He might slouch.
Oh god here we found another salty 1
Gharka bhedi lanka dhaye: (Indian proverb घरका भेदी लंका ढायें.)
Taking in Helmut Marko & the Verstappens...Toto basically has a death wish..
Personally I don’t see it happening. But that’s what I said about Hamilton to Ferrari
You know that marko stays
But, what if. Ferrari....
My favourite driver joins the team I like the least. I will be so confused
Would anyone watch F1 if it wasn't for the off track drama?
I think the vast majority of the headlines are bullshit speculation, especially after what was said about Horner. I read the entire message and photo dump and there’s nothing remotely actionable there, and the woman was completely willing participant. I think some people will do anything to damage a team that is so far ahead of the rest, but that doesn’t make it all true. Probably little to nothing we’re hearing is true.
RBR focused on racing while everyone else entertains their own dramatic fantasies.
i doubt max will want to go, and i doubt he wants any of the other main pillars go either (jos,helmut,horner,himself). so im guessing this will blow over with max holding it all together in the end. the interview about helmut marko really didnt say what the title said, max specifically mentioned being loyal to red bull in the same breath as being loyal to helmut and max and previously said to be loyal to horner too.
If Max leaves RedBull he will take his mechanics and Marko and GP his race engineer with him
Max to Mercedes, Lando to Red Bull
Hear me out... Nando was the leak and this is all part of El Plan
Ahi young ppl
Pls Max F1 is a circus leave and win all the 24 hour events Endurance is where the real racing is.
*Here´s my take:* I think Redbull Austria are trying to get full control from Thai RB and they didn´t like that Christian Horner was firmly in their camp. So they come up with a plan with Marko and Jos to get rid of Horner, plan fails miserably and RB Austria realises they´ve made a massive mistake. So they back up and tell Marko he is basically on the chopping block for this and if Max wants to go with him then so be it. This is why I think Max is still supporting Marko because in Max´s eyes it probably looks like Marko has been taken for a ride. But the reality is, if Max sides with Marko it will be the end of his championship run and plus Marko and Jos are not innocent here, or it least it looks like it. This whole plan to get rid of Horner hinged entirely on Jos´s GF who use to be PA for Horner, he probably thought this was gonna be a slam dunk case but now it´s about to get thrown back in his face.
where did you hear Jos´s GF who use to be PA for Horner? I seen this comment before but could not find anything online mentioning this except in comments.
You have no idea, but you know what you create click bait non stop
if redbull favored checo he would be winning races....botas 50% 50% driver
And finally we can understand what Lauda really meant when said "any monkey can drive a modern F1 one car". Jos are having an active role to destroy the team that made Max a champion and Max is showing that the "only" thing he is able to do is driving.
Hear me out, max to Mercedes, Fernando to Red Bull and takes his third title 🧿😱
And it all started with that girl’s fake accusations
Exactly
And there Jos is the last person who can judge others seeing his past
All this drama seems fabricated to me, it's all over the top meanwhile they still have the best car and best driver on the grid. So they will just keep winning. (at least this year most likely next as well)