Ranking The Team Ninja Soulslikes WORST TO BEST (Nioh 1&2, Wo long, Strangers Paradise)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Howdy everyone and today we are ranking/reviewing 4 Team Ninja games that are all pretty similar! Both Niohs, Wo Long and Strangers Paradise Final Fantasy origin! Let me know your favorites down below!
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Stranger of Paradise is just something else man.
Switching between two classes mid combo and maxing out two classes to upgrade a new hybrid class are two of my favourite systems in gaming.
Im a dark knight in FF14 so I mained the shit out of it in strangers of paradise I need to replay it and actually dabble with everything else lol
So for Strangers of Paradise, not sure when dlc came out but on that gilgamesh difficulty shit is already difficult af, there is still the max difficulty lufenia also and this guy saying it was easy made me think he probably just beat the story on normal or even hard which is still easy, probably did chaos with extra mode too. Another thing he said about gear system in SoP is that you can just click OPTIMIZE GEAR and it will equip you highest level loot but it doesn't mean that that gear is better than some of your other ones you can do a customized build 16:03 and have so many combinations woth different classes and sifferent playstyles it's crazy and labyrinth stuff is pretty difficult but fun too, I feel like this rundown of SoP was before dlc or idk because it doesn't make sense otherwise, definitely better than Nioh 1 at least in my opinion, didn't care for story in either but gameplay feels more fun with SoP
I loved Stranger of Paradise so much as both a FF fan, FF1 fan, and Nioh fan.
The story and Jack are so kino. One of the best protags ever.
I love the depth of Stranger of Paradise. Wo Long doesn't have that.
If Team Ninja combines the verticality of Wo Long with Nioh combat they would have a real banger. Maybe Rise of the Ronin will do this
Nioh 3 anyone?
@@stephengross9441 Nioh 3 would be a ways off. Rise of the Ronin is next. Sometime this decade they are going to do reboots of Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive.
It's obvious that Wolong did not do very well in the vertical integration, maybe because of the budgets, maybe because it's something else like the actual faculties that directs the game. Whatever the reason it is, the game itself can be viewed as a product opening to market, with a huge subtraction on the combat system and with a better guidance. And it indeed listens to the feedback from the community. I agree that Ronin project should be the exclusive spot to focus on.
Rise of the ronin is gonna be it’s own game to be honest. Calling it now, they’re going to actually try with the story I bet.
@@yamnbam4346 yea Rise of the Ronin will be its own game, but they aren't going to reinvent the wheel combat wise. It will be interesting to see how their experience with Nioh and Wo Long will carry over into this.
Nioh 2 is just dope. The stances, unique weapons, skills, Yokai soul cores, etc. Plus, the end game content is just so engaging.
Nioh 2 must've been your first TN soulslike
It was for me, but is it ok to set the bar high?@@potatopower2144
@@potatopower2144 Stop gatekeeping.
Talking about Stranger of Paradise : "Combat is not as extensive and in depth, as, say, Dark Souls or even Nioh". Could you please elaborate on that? I just can't see how Stranger's combat with fully customizable movesets for every weapon, including equipable enemy abilities on post-game gear, and a plethora of defensive and offensive options for any play-style can be described as more shallow than that of Dark Souls.
Yea he clearly either didn't play the game to it's fullest extent or just hit the opitmize gear button throughout most of the playthrough (Which will NOT carry you on higher difficulties). SOP is way more in-depth just on the job system alone, nevermind the job affinity system.
He definitely didn't play the game enough. I wonder if he even chain cancelled
My thought exactly lmao strangers of paradise has one of the most fully realized action RPG mechanics with every job feeling like playing a different character in its own action game
I haven't played Stranger is Paradise but I played Dark Souls a lot and its combat is extremely simplified, it's on level of old Onimushas, not quite DMC or Nioh level.
@@KasumiRINAlow IQ take. You're not using the tools the game gives you. DMC is a joke. Combo simulator with 0 difficulty lmao. Nioh is a souls ripoff as admitted by their own developer marketing it as a soulslike 😂
About wo long: "The spells are too slow." I gotta be the comment guy that says that you likely didn't quite do it right. Try weaving spells in after your deflects and you'll realize how much more interesting combat can be when all of your abilities get to work together.
Nioh 2 still too goated, but wo long's systems are being judged by the wrong metrics by a lot of people with followings, so hearing that compelled me to correct it.
Honestly, i started to think of the Wo Long wizardry spells like Sekiro shinobi tools and they improved a lot for me. Even shifted my build to have them play more of a part in combat, it's pretty fun. Sadly i have stopped playing Wo Long because i got the itch to play some Nioh 2... and now i'm addicted to it again lmao.
Wolong combo heavy AF
Tbh I think the main problem with Wo Long is that it came out after Nioh 2 lol. That and it was incredibly easy
As somebody who is playing Wolong, I disagree with OP.
The magic just doesn't feel as satisfying as utilitarian as it is. And then the 5 phases is just. "I don't care, outside of niche situations. You just parry most things anyways. Wizardry just feels so at odds with it's gameplay loop in already pretty easy game."
Don't get me wrong, I think Wo Long is a fantastic game. But it doesn't exist in isolation from these other games. It also doesn't help that the Morale system is pretty much required for most of the useful skills, and even without caring about the Wizardry skills... they don't offer much outside of slightly situational buffs or debilitations. And compare that to Nioh 1 and 2, the magic system of Wo Long is fundamentally worse in every way. Like, fullstop. The magic system is just bad in Wo Long. The Parry system and Martial Arts system is too useful by comparison to ever want to waste time using Wizardry, even when in advantage. There is rarely ever a time you'll want it past debuffing or buffing before a fight, or applying things like poison. Wizardry feels... more like a co-op thing you coordinate with your friends. To be useful in situations without throwing a fight or encounter... when the game just doesn't play in a way where you will practically need Wizardry. It just doesn't feel good to use either even when you can argue you may find SOME use for it.
(What that use will be, I really could not tell you. The game is just that generally much easier to use deflect into Martial arts lol.)
The fact you can brute force more efficiently, versus finding a situation where you need it past removing field effects or buffs... is really telling. Where in games like Nioh 1 and 2. "I need to apply as many debuffs as I can, so I can go back to doing my long ass combos." really does say a lot about the balance differences. You also just feel generally more rewarded for exploiting weaknesses with Omniyo and Ninpo Magics. Granted, Nioh 1 and 2 generally reward you getting the most out of options for your builds. Kinda feels like a real time Shin Megami Tensei type affair if I am honest, and it's just really satisfying because it feels like you earn victories. In Wo Long, kinda feels handed to you with how... simple the mechanics are by comparison.
I like the ones that put elements on your weapon
Can we just stop calling these Team Ninja Soulslike and start calling "Nioh-like"? Basic similarities aside these games are quite different and has unique style and gameplay to stand on its own ground.
Give this man an Oscar🥇🥇🏆 please 🤝
Sad that nioh is not for xbox...i need more nioh like games 👌👍🙂
I agree but this video title would have been kinda complicated.
Ranking all Nioh and souls/borne games
Thats long.I believe it is far more simple to just put Nioh in there too.The basic Idea of Nioh is basically the same:Murder your way through a place to get to a boss fight.
Not unique enough. Still souls like. And I doubt this term will stop being used, just Diablo clones for the last 25 years.
I totally agree with you
Wo longs difficulty is just so unevenly paced though, didn’t die once after the cow head boss until I hit lu bu, then didn’t die once until blindfolded boy who I still can’t beat, yet
i died countless times with zhang liao though, but blindfolded boy, took him down first try LOL
You did no death until cow head but can’t beat blindfold boy. I remember dying once to blindfold boy cus I was literally laying in bed and my girl was playing with my dick and I almost beat him. Lu bu difficulty spike was fucked up. I wish the rest of the game was like that. I don’t remember the bosses after lu bu cus I melted everything after that
My issue is the levels, the only boss that took me more than 5 tries was aoye at 30, but the basic enemies frequently destroyed me for whatever reason.
Just ordered Nioh 2 earlier today. Checking off my back list. Thanks for your review, I'm extremely excited.
Nioh 2 is hands down the best game Team Ninja has put out. If you're looking for a game that you can literally play for years without getting bored, Nioh 2 can objectively give you the best bang for your buck.
I got bored of it jind of quick haven't reached endgame but got like 20 hours in or something, I enjoy SoP better, gameplay seems more fun
Thanks bro... love you..❤
@@Coolkid4205u gotta be trash at the game lol
I can't see myself playing Nioh 2 forever without getting bored. After the main story and DLC there's nothing to keep you engaged anymore.
Fatal Frame 2, Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, Ninja Gaiden......
Nioh 2 has a VERY high skill ceiling 👏 love this game..
Loving wo long too
For me the story was good, not because the delivery of team ninja was great but because I had the knowledge of three kingdoms and sengoku period. It would totally enhance your experience if you read and had knowledge of it. A good example of it is in the Nioh 2, Toyotomi Hideyoshi was the one who unified Japan at that period and in the game they added a twist where there are 2 people who makes up the identity of the Persona Hideyoshi. First is the one in the history and 2nd is the OC.
Has anyone notice how little yoshi actually contributes as a character. When fights break out he is always scared and hiding behind either you, the kappa guy or the two chicks. Fucking hilarious.
Surprised you didn’t mention the first nioh’s NG+. That was when the game really opened up and the meta is just super addicting. With leveling up your spirit animal and being able to equip two at once. It added more perks and insane buffs when using the right spirit animal. And I found use for quite a few of them, whether it be looting or money farming etc.
Fun video though! You have a good attitude and articulate well. Keep at it! And I also agree with this list lol.
Yeah the Nioh games NG+ are the best ones I’ve seen in gaming
For sure. DS2 has a pretty good one too. But no one likes that game but me and like 10 other people it seems. I still have to beat nioh 2, but I’m hoping it’s very similar.
@@josephallen3076 Nioh 2’s NG+ has all the same versions as Nioh 1(Way/Dream of the strong, demon, etc.) as well as the underworld which unlocks with dream of the Nioh
As a huge Team Ninja Fan too I completely agree to this list 👍🏻 I‘ve got 400hrs in Nioh and even over 1000 in Nioh 2. Yes I was there in NG5+ in the 30 depths after 100 floors of the underworld. This deepness is by far the best soulslike ever made.
1000 hours? bro do u even go outside or sleep at all? i swear i'm NOT trolling i'm asking a serious question. i wish i had that kind of time for games
@@CygnusX-11 Cuz team ninja indeed has the best ACT combat systems among all ARPGs. I won't argue if it can or should be categorized into Souls-like. But at least from my experience , I have restarted 3 new games in nioh2 only practicing spears, till after completing depth 30. These spear training NGs already consumed 230 hours, and compare to those fluent spear players, I would say I could only play 50% 60% of the weapon. 1000 hours is not a big number in Nioh2 compared to some insanely good former Ninja Gaiden players from either Japan or China. They are 2000h or more.
@@carlchen7948 damn that's crazy... i'm playing Wo long (my first team ninja game) and i do agree that the combat system is amazing and addictive, even better than sekiro!
however, i'm very disappointed with the graphics and level design, no area really stand up or memorable in the game. and wo long legit looks like a game from 2012 which makes the levels even harder to navigate.
@@CygnusX-11 It's obvious that they didn't put too much budget on Wolong, or didn't have their old Nioh crews and programmers do the project. (Even the replenishments on consuming items were recently updated). Ronin Project is Yasuda's main focus IMO.
@@CygnusX-11 3000hr Nioh1+2 best combat system in my life
Can't go back to Nioh and Wo Long after SOP all 35 jobs, chain canceling, soul shield
SOP feels like a ninja gaiden with final fantasy based
Story is good cause I like the FF1 world. In Wo Long and Nioh i pretty much didn't care about the Japan and China history war.
This is the best axe in all games existed not getting overshadowed by fast and meta weapons.
Agree. For me, SOP was exhilarating because the bosses hit hard but had obvious tells and even the names of spells overhead. Gave good windows to defend while punishing if you screwed up.
@@Sheriff_Bruce_Lee Same, I think it's even the best modern FF game, I already find it better than the upcoming XVI and that's not even out yet (Will still give it a shot when it releases though).
I actually went from playing Ninja Gaiden Black into Strangers of Paradise with a bit of Dead or Alive thrown into the mix (went on a Team Ninja binge... didn't have a PS4 at the time so Nioh was sadly out of reach, and Wo Long hadn't yet released).
SoP scratched that 3D Ninja Gaiden itch in many ways except essence charging. But the soul shield, chain cancelling and parry mechanics were wonderfully satisfying and a great substitute. The combat was really satisfying but the game got especially grindy and became more about optimising gear during the 2nd DLC after rift level 101.
It was still far better than the supposedly mediocre memefest game I was expecting to find.
SOP is peak for me because it's just so damn fun, every time I think I'm done I find a new way to use a weapon or a job combo, or a new skill I've never touched so there I go to menu to make a build (which is so much less of a headache that builds in Nioh). Add to that the Final Fantasy flair, which as a FF enjoyer is still amazing. I love Nioh and Ninja Gaiden, but SOP is easily one of my fav games of all time. Top 5 for sure. I can't say I'd rank the rest anywhere near even though I love them too
What is SOP?
The magic in Wo Long is most effective for crowd control and when it's used to exploit the weakness of an enemy. Each element has a weakness to another so it helps to know which one you are fighting and which one to use against it. For example, when are fighting an enemy that lights their weapon on fire, you can use a water spell like ice to douse it to prevent the extra damage you could take from the fire. You can also make an enemy stagger faster using spells of their elemental weakness.
I think wolong is the most starter friendly game here. Nioh game can be a bit too confusing with all it's mechanics
Totally agree. Nioh 2 was awesome and has the most indepth combat system out of the games that i ever played
False. Nioh 1 has more complex combat system. Far bigger skill gap. Nioh 2 is just wait for yokai burst
@@potatopower2144 Genuinely wondering what is going on in your brain to come to this conclusion
Yes. Nioh2 changed how I feel about most souls games. Still playing through the underworld, So much replay ability. Wo long so far is a let down for me but it's still fun going through game plus and not really seeing any difference but enemies doing more damage. Nioh 2 on the other hand in game plus, more enemy damage, increased number of enemies and added new enemies. Good times in nioh 2.😄
All that came at a later date in Nioh 2 with the DLCs. When Nioh 2 first game out, like Wo Long it only had one NG+, and like Wo Long the only difference was enemies have increase health and damage.
@Stephen Hutchinson Nioh 2 first new game plus replace enemies with harder ones and they had new moves. And the later dlc packs was pretty badass. I hope wo long gets better because right now it's boring unless you into pvp.
Yeah Wo Long’s gameplay is a bit disappointing compared to Nioh 2’s combat since Wo Long feels like it relies more on just parrying compared to actually mastering the weapons in Nioh
Nioh 2 is clearly leading the pack, but it's not perfect. But Team Ninja is getting there.
@@squirtbrainz1219But the PVP in Wo Long I very fun compared to some other games in the genre
Stranger of Paradise isn't bad honestly, if fact I think it's the best modern Final Fantasy game because of how good the game design is and that's saying something considering Final Fantasy (or JRPGS in general) and actual good game design rarely go hand in hand with me. It's the only action-based FF I found myself enjoying because there's little BS in it's gameplay and level design (Only real complaint is the lack of a map system and having to exit missions to adjust gear stats), the job system, along with the affinity system, is freaking good and can be surprisingly helping if you know what you are doing (Pressing the optimize gear option will NOT help you on the higher difficulties). The only REAL issue this game suffers from is on the technical side of things as the game is poorly optimized, like I was surprised it ran and looked as good as it did on my PS5 after finding out much data most of the game's assets have (Clearly a Square issue like with FFXIV 1.0).
If we're talking story, Nioh 1 and 2 are far worse than Stranger in this category because not only do they require you to have knowledge of actual Japanese history, but the way they're told with the cutscenes being almost unrelated to each other and characters sometimes being introduced in the very last mission with no explanation at all makes me wonder what the hell is even going on. Even the Assassin's Creed games told their stories better and those games took place in historical periods I initially knew nothing about. Stranger's on the other hand, while not told perfectly, is at least understandable and if you wish to no more about the lore, it's in the files. Sure, the story is a bit cliched and at first glance sounds like Nomura's signature Kingdom Hearts writing, but Kingdom Hearts got most of it's dumb writing from Final Fantasy, the light vs darkness thing with special guest time travel was what Final Fantasy 1 was all about, so it makes sense that it's prequel/spin-off, Stranger of Paradise, would be about the same thing as well.
I only played part of Nioh one and story was nice, though subtle. It DOES rely on knowing a but about Sengoku Japan at least from other games, movies and whatnot. Final Fantasy games OTOH were always known as separate as in you don't need to know ANYTHING before jumping into one.
@@KasumiRINA Except that's for every mainline FF, which SoP isn't, it's a spin-off. Think of what Crisis Core is to FF7, that's what SoP is to FF1. Crisis Core's story is kind of hard to understand without some of the context that FF7's story provides, same as SoP with FF1's.
Strangers of paradise is a slug to play. If you manage to hit endgame (dlc 3 endgame) its one of the best games of its kind with a variety of decent builds to play and a fun gearing system. Story was also okay, Garland as a character is also just much more interesting than wiliam and the hero from nioh 2.
Nioh 2 is overall just a better game, but people shit on strangers because it is really bad up until endgame lol
@@psobbtutorials6792 When you mean by Slug, you mean slow? Cause I didn't feel that, and the build variety is good from Chaos and onwards, how did you play the game?
The best modern Final Fantasy is 14. The story is unbelievably good compared to every other game in that franchise in the last 20 years. The 7 Remake so far is also fantastic.
Great vid man.
Team Ninja is amazing! Big big fan too. I do think Wo Long is a step back though
Its not step banck just think as if its like from software game with sekiro super fast paced combat.
Stranger of paradise is underrated. Its one of the best with team ninja. Its unique in its own way which make it for me one at top. The job system and the diverse build creation is unlimited. People dont really know how good stranger of paradise is.
Yeah I totally agree, with your comments on Nioh 2. I loved nioh 1, but nioh just improved upon it in everyday, and if they ever make a Nioh 3 I'm going to feel the hype.
"in every way" by making it easy as balls with yokai burst and yokai cores.. also made the game uninteresting playing as a soulless doll that on emotes, instead of an interesting protagonist in an interesting setting with actual voice acting.
@@potatopower2144 I don't think Nioh or souls like games in general are played for their lackluster story. The are more like a arcade style game where you just enjoy the gameplay and bosses.
Also any game is arguably easy if you use a META build or strat, but if that's how you feel, why play anything at all?
Nioh 1 had the whole weapon super transformation, which basically done the same thing in the second game, so It's not to different.
@@potatopower2144 well at least Nioh 2 needs heavy skill from you not like from software where you just fat roll and thats pretty much it.
Nioh2 is kinda the pinnacle of combat for me. love customisable everything was.
Completely agree with the list and wouldn’t have placed them any differently. I do think that Stranger of Paradise has a sublime soundtrack that is worthy of it own praise, since it raises the overall experience of the game and combat
15:25 when I played I mostly just used stat buffs spells, but man there was this one earth spell that would be able to stun basically any boss, and combo that with a buff that decreased the cost of spells, bro I was clapping pretty much every boss. Super fun combat in Wo long I’m glad you mentioned that.
Wo Long is great but nothing beats Nioh 2
Wo is a combo of that and sekiro how is wo not better and imma big fan of nioh my fav type well I didnt play wo yet but I did play sekiro and I like nioh better both great classic
Nothing!
@devibezshow wrong cause wo is a combo of that like why do u people always get stuck with certain titles nioh is my fav souls like even though I didnt play wo I know I'll like it better cause it's a combo of sekiro and nioh my 2 fav types
Most people who not stuck say sekiro for from is the best and most who like the ninja team knows niohs is the best best of both worlds
Nioh 2 is a perfect video game.
Wo Long is extremely good, but doesn't get to the high bar set by Nioh 2.
@mikejenkins4924 wrong cause wo is a combo of that like why do u people always get stuck with certain titles
nioh is my fav souls type like even though I didnt play wo yet I know I'll like it better cause it's a combo of sekiro and nioh my 2 fav types
Most people who not stuck say sekiro for from is the best and most who like the ninja team knows niohs is the best best of both worlds
So yea wo is better cause it's a combo but that doesn't mean the nioh series is bad just not as advanced now if you're meaning more fun well that can be opinion but I don't see how when as I say agian wo is a combo of sekiro and nioh
Stranger is great game i have like 600 hr and still want to play more but a i agree with your point that its not for everyone
I just finished Nioh 2 and loved it, but needed help to get through it. Does Wo Long let you summon help as easily?
You sold me on Wo Long I've been waiting for a game with a satisfying parry system since Sekiro.
I feel like Wo Long is the Dynasty Warriors Koei owed us huge fans of that series, since the last one was a day 1 return for me and im not sure if it got any better.. 😅
For Wo Long what I've gotten out of the wizardry spells is that they are more for status effects than damage. Unless it's the big spells. The status effects are pretty nasty. Like shock is a spirit DOT and toxic makes any other status ailments remain at full duration until the toxic wears off. Add any other "bla bla" effect on "bla bla" action skill on some gear and you can just cancer your enemies to death and it's funny especially on invaders.
Fire spells do insane damage in Wo Long though
What we need for the future is a game like Nioh 2 with double jump(and action skills for that) in an open world.
What music is playing in the beginning of the video?
I heard it somewhere, but I can't recall where.
Going through the comments and video I'm wondering if I should get Wo Long. I enjoyed the other games on the list (yes even Stranger of Paradise). Not sure.
I'm replaying NIOH 1, I rushed through it originally to just beat it and then play NIOH 2. I dumped well over a hundred hours into NIOH 2 and now just want to fully flesh out my experience with NIOH 1. These games were tailored made for me. Souls-like, RPG, Hack and Slash, Looter, Gear Sets, Very Diablo -esque approach to gameplay = ADDICTION
Nioh 2 is one of my favourite games ever. It’s also the most difficult game I’ve ever played. I tried stranger of paradise on release but couldn’t handle it. It just felt like a rushed poor quality game but now we are a year later, I might give it another try.
I agree with this list completely
Also, burst counters in Nioh 2 were great. One thing I can say about Nioh 1 I liked better was the Abyss. Reason being is it had the absolute best gear you could get at 900+ floor Abyss. It gave you an edge in power most players weren't determined enough to achieve.
Nioh to stopped it at floor 108 with the Underworld and then depths of the Underworld but it just wasn't quite the same
Other than that, yeah Nioh 2 all day.
Burst counters are nice but the problem is that you can exploit them. Like imagine that you cannot beat some enemy for some reason, you can just wait for the red glow and then do the burst counter => it's something that should be improved in Nioh 3, but the concept in itself is pretty good, it's just not perfect ... yet.
@@youuuuuuuuuuutube On top of feeling like a crutch, they're too good to not use. They feel like they railroad you into them rather than bring able to play your own way. Sure you can choose to ignore the move and dodge away (or some other type of mitigation) but then you're just nerfing yourself. I dislike counters for that reason, Monster Hunter Rise has the same problem but it's worse. The counters there are too strong so they make the rest of moves feel useless
Burst counters ruined Nioh 2. You could play in so many ways in Nioh 1, then they streamlined and limited the gameplay loop with burst counters. Lame
@@potatopower2144 No
Nioh 2 is amazing, the game has so much content, incredible replaybility if you consider the new stuff in new game plus and also dlc new maps and enemies and unlimited customization and loot options.
IMO: Nioh 2 > SoP > Wo Long > Nioh
I don't know how you can say SoP doesn't have combat as indepth as Dark Souls games. The combat is pretty customizable and offers a lot of variety.
Not surprising Nioh 2 is top dog, but my issue with Nioh 1 is that it plays and feels like a tech demo at times. It's clear it has many rough edges. Wo Long is good, but it also lacks polish when it came out and it's combat is simple.
100% agree with this list.
I also consider SoP to be way harder than wo long I don’t know why he didn’t mention that. If you play on hard mode, or in NG+ chaos mode, damn it’s as hard as Nioh 2 (although I found SoP to be quite unfair many times more compared to Nioh 2)
The combo and class system and especially customisation in FFO is also one of the best from team ninja, only behind Nioh 2 as its stance system allows for even more depth.
The items are a lot, more than any other game, that’s true, but that contributes to make an enormous amount of build variety.
Probably the creator didn't make builds and see the potential of all weapons and jobs
Curious if they will make a nioh 3 though I have high doubts that they will
I actually am playing through Nioh 1 again right now, it's still really good tbh. Nioh 2 did improve a lot, but there's something still so cool about playing as William in that world
Nioh 2 is absolutely the best game of the bunch has become one of my all-time favorites. I thought Stranger of Paradise was great too but Wo Long felt like a step back to me. Hoping that Rise of the Ronin is another Team Ninja banger!
Things I hope will happen in Nioh 3 (or other similar games from TN):
1) take Nioh 2 as a baseline, since that's the best combat system of any action-rpg game
2) improve the loot system: more quality over quantity, or at least increase the inventory space, and improve the search options (filtering)
3) 2 Picture Scrolls can be equipped ... because why not? :D
4) I see this Interim as a sort of proof of concept for a hub => maybe they want to make Nioh 3 more open world, it could be nice instead of using the main map
5) add a jump button, but make sure not to overdo it like Wo Long, if it's like Ninja Gaiden Black then great (doesn't jump very high + can be used for great platforming action)
6) bring the roll back again from Nioh 1 instead of just temper
7) last but not least: make the game harder. Way of the Nioh and the Underworld are too easy once you have reached level 750
8) edit: forgot but it's crucial: get rid of that yokai shift
Won't have NIOH 3 the game developers already announced and ended the series with the last NIOH 2 DLC. May be a more soul-like action Warrior Orochi vibe mixed between Sengoku and Three Kingdom Era?
I thought they put the spirit stone mechanic in for people who wanted a truly ball crushing challenge in the abyss in nioh 2.
Ive only played Nioh 2 and while the story was pretty meh I loooved reading the Yokai Stories!
I would do anything for a Ninja Gaiden 4.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
If there would ever be a Nioh 3 I really hope they add the deflect system from Wo Long because that's really fun. Make the parry window more tighter tho
When i start playing Nioh 1, i couldn't stop until i get every achievment, i guess i dumped like 120 hours non-stop. I'm gonna grab Nioh 2 right about now, i'm really glad to hear that is just "nioh 1.5", since i love the first game so much
Nioh 2s soundtrack alone makes me comeback and replay it just finished way of the nioh and man I feel like starting all over again
Very nice and interesting video, here, good sir ! I did not play FFSP, except for the demo but I did finish Wolong (although not played the extensions, coz I did not dig it so much), Nioh 1 and Nioh 2.
For those last two ones, I grinded them till the bone : finished the 999 levels of Nioh's abyss and stone of penance nine'd the Nioh 2's depth of the underworld (till floor 30). So I can definitely agree with your opinion about those games !
Regarding WL, I would be less enthusiastic, the gameplay fellt very shallow, expecially being released for so long after Nioh 2 ...
For me Nioh 2 will probably never be beaten and will forever rank #1 in action games category (and I have played almost all of these games for the last 20+ years : Ninja gaiden, Devil may cry, Bazonetta ...) and it's also definitely in my top 10 games ever, knowing I have been playing video games for over 40 years now ...
Anyway, very nice video and thanks for sharing this content and promoting those great games ! Take care, peace. ;)
For SoP, just selecting optimizate equipment would get you killed way too quickly in the DLCs. You actually have to craft a solid build based on your weapon type and class to reliably do well (and if you put some more effort, you could absolutely be a monster too.)
I can't agree with you saying that optimize equipment trivializes the loot system unless you only went through the story once and avoided Chaos Mode. I do agree that most of the loot does end up being trash tho.
Occasionally they'll have some good effects that you can fuse onto other armor but for the most part yea.
That being said, i really enjoyed SoP (Chaosman is still my favorite character lul) and the comparisons to the other games just make me excited to play them, so thanks for making this vid!
Nioh 2 got nice story, nice combat and overall its KFC tier top of the line. I just want to go and have a taste even if I already go there once, cuz its that good. The story is good too, Its like story book where you only know the part of people story that you have partaken in or they told you about their goals and dream directly during the spirit sharing, they didnt drag out the cutscene and only give you what you need to know and thats professional. The story is weird in some places like how does that happen? but once you piece it together doing main and sidequest or just continue listening, its really awesome. They really like to tell story that was base on your character prespective, you only know what you see or heard but mostly seen type of stuff and there also lore if you absorb enouf knowledge from the soul core of yokai you absorb, its just a lot of reading thats all.
I like to focus on the story even when its spars, the combat is nice too, very fast pace and speedy unlike soul game so I don't get the "soulslike" thing unless they comparing the difficulty but I got stuck fighting boss like hundred of time in elden ring and DS but here only took me like two digit to get the ground in Nioh 2 cuz we have Nuclear option and the evade timing is very generous too.
The weapon is like Bloodborne level or maybe better, cuz the stand mechanic.
90/100 very cool game.
My only issue with their games is the amount of particle effects cant see a damn thing sometimes, lol
Guys i need your opinion do you think nioh 1 and 2 is harder than from software games or not
I just finished wo long and I absolutely loved it and I'm going to he getting nioh 1&2 to play very soon. I thought it was so amazing. I still have sub missions left but the main story is over.
Nioh 2 is a goddamn masterpiece, my second favorite "souls / soulslike" game, after Dark Souls 3, in 2023 I'm still playing Nioh 2, more or less several times a week. that's how addictive this game is, and I can still playing for a couple of years more, but I played Wu Long at the beginning of the year with a high hype, it was fun, ok, cool, but that's it, it feels like a game without soul, very empty, and when I finished everything I put it away and continued with more Nioh 2.
I don't know, but after an enormous game as Nioh 2, Wu Long is a big stepback, I hope one day they made Nioh 3, with the basis of Nioh 2, just take the next step, and the visual aspect of Wu Long, and that will be epic.
Nioh 3 fuck yeah, ¿Wu long 2? No thank you...
Let's appreciate how much better the bosses have gotten over the years. Even from their time in Ninja Gaiden. We went from slippery bosses that dodge half your attacks at random to Dark Souls 1 bosses mixed with glorified PvP invaders to genuinely amazing duels like Yoshitsune, Gilgamesh and Lu Bu.
If there ever is a Nioh 3, I hope they make some true bosses, not damage sponges with 3-4 moves. That and the yokai form should be it's own thing and should develop as the human form does.
Ninja Gaiden has better movement/platforming though, and if you take the Ryu clones fights, they're still a bit better than the Nioh/Nioh 2 fights because of that movement.
Also, I haven't seen a boss better than Alma and Awakened Alma.
Zhang Liao was a genuine surprise for me. I expected Lu Bu to be a challenge but him... Man, he's probably my most favorite boss fight of Wo Long.
As far as Nioh 2 goes, I absolutely love the Shuten Doji fight we have in the second DLC, every Otakemaru fight and Tate Eboshi. Nioh 2 has amazing monster bosses and wo long has absolutely improved on the human bosses. I keep thinking, what would Toshimitsu and Ryu Hayabusa be like in Wo Long?
@@sriramguhaprasad4421Lu Bu is harder. He has power and speed not just speed like Lioa. And Taishi Ci is the new king of the bosses
@@lancekemal8989 I agree. I meant I knew lu bu will be challenging but, Zhang Liao being that crazy good threw me off. Lu Bu has to be crazy good... There's no other option. Taishi Ci is genuinely perplexing... Idk how he's so strong... Not abt the lore thingy, I know he was a famed warrior based on his characterization in the musou games, still... It's kinda wierd to see him be so strong.
Wo Long is my first Team Ninja game and im loving it. Should i play Nioh 2? or would it feel outdated and lesser than Wo Long?
Hell nah, Brah. Nioh2 is goated and the combat smashes every other game. Wo Long is the Nioh2 wish version
nioh 2 combat best in the biz
Quite the opposite if you ask me, Wo Long felt like a pretty big step back in comparison. To the point you might feel overwhelmed by all the layers Nioh 2 has to offer. Combat is WAY more challenging since you also have 2 weapons you can switch on the fly, but each one has 3 stances and customizable combos for each stance with a ton of stuff you unlock over the course of the game. You also get Guardian Spirits like in Wo Long but instead of a few spell choices not only do you have Onmyo magic and Ninjutsu tools you also get to set 3 Yokai cores that kind of work like special attacks/summons on top of everything else you can upgrade and customize...
You will "shed your mortal coil" a LOT in Nioh 2... far far more than you have in Wo Long, i 100% guarantee it. :P
Nioh 2 is still amazing. Well worth playing. I beat wu long and all it did is make me want to reroll a new character in nioh 2
@@77-7- I’d agree if these guys didn’t make ninja gaiden 2 ten years prior to Nioh 2
If you played enough dynasty warriors games the story is pretty much always the same and you probably would like the characters more and understand why characters such as lu bu is hard in wo long. And I think the level design really follows well with how the story of the three kingdoms depicts
My most favourites are Nioh 2 and SoP (yeah I'm a FF fan). I got the Nioh Collection for PS5 and I really loved 2 and still playing it. And despite all the flaws with SoP I got the Platinum trophy and I really enjoyed it. There were so many classes and play styles and I think the game is very underrated.
Does Nioh 2 have a parry system?
Nioh 2's story is a interesting spin of sengoku era, if you know about the history.
I dont understand the hate over nioh 2 story. I liked it
Nioh 2 is one of my top fav ps4 games. The fast paced combat, chaining combos / stances and multiple weapons, there was always something to learn and improve even after hundreds of hours. There was some wasted potential with the yokai abilities and spells though imo, by the end there were only a couple worth using, wish there had been more balance there.
My favourite thing though was just going to coop and helpin ppl, especially newer players lol. Doing co op on max difficulty with randoms was very tough but it's understandable.
I really liked playing Nioh 2 using the Switchglaive but just the longer I played having to be on top of a map choosing whether I play the side quest or the new main quest just annoyed me. I'm typically someone who wants to do everything and so every time I did the side quest in the same map I just ran from my main quest I just got too annoyed.
The combat is pretty cool, I think both Nioh games I just felt like because of how fast you move you can easily engage and disengage without getting hit. But I did not do some of the final bosses in Nioh 2 but I doubt the game goes from easy to suddenly really hard only at the final part of the game. I feel like I figured out the combat in those games pretty well.
Most annoying fights were for sure those gank fights where you enter that realm effect (sorry it's been awhile since I played and my memory is dog shit) where it's all greyish and you just have to do battle after battle after battle until you killed them all and restore it. I just much rather fight 1 really strong enemy than fight many that still includes 1 strong guy.
Maybe I replay Nioh 2 some day and skip side quests though idk how much harder the game would become doing so.
For that reason Wo Long so far is my favorite game of theirs also because Sekiro is top 5 games of all time for me and it got the absolute perfect combat that any game who tries to mimic that is fire in my book. Their newest title seems to have a lot of Sekiro inspiration as well and seems to have a more open vibe to it so I'm hoping Rise of the Ronin will be my favorite title of theirs.
Have u played Onimusha 1 or 2?
I play nioh`s and wo long recently and i love that games.
Nioh 2 is really great, Wo long is nice cuz i love parry the system like sekiro... but is much dirty in combats vs bosses, are fews bosses with clean fight for a good trades of parry.
Sekiro is the best for me... but Nioh`s are really fun and with great system fight.
I absolutely love these games, so addicting to play!!!
Which game has the best graphics?
My list is I guess same in which one is better as yours let me see about fun how it would be
Nioh 1 is the weakest one in enjoyment
Strangers of Paradise is the second one
Nioh 2 because of the linearity
Wo Long is the one I have enjoyed the most
Glad to see another Ninja Team fan.
Let me tell you please. After years of denial I decided that I just had to finish Nioh 2, I bought the remaster on PS5 and I went through half of it already. The game is pretty difficult but you can make it easier by either do all the side quests and level up or play online and summon either offline characters of other players or even invite them to join you in real time. Not only that made it just way more achievable for me but I swear to God Nioh 2 is beyond description just spectacular, the combat is one of the most enjoyable that I have ever seen. There's so much content, so many different weapons, so many different enemies, bosses, armors, just so many different playstyles it's just unbelievable.
When I played Nioh 1 for the first time oh man that game showed me how hard it can be. Then I learned to be a master of sword. When I played Nioh 2 i felt in love from the first minute of it. If someone asked me what game would you like to see and play right now i would say please give me Nioh 3 with nioh 2 mechanics and even maybe something even more deeper. Nioh 2 will always be my NO1 in souls game cause the gameplay is beyond satisfying experience. No other souls game gave me that feeling like Nioh 2 did when i learned to be a master of it.
I love wo long lowkey, like it’s fun and reminds me of Sekiro
Now I gotta get my hands on nioh 2
Can you make a video on the conflict series
Great video although I quite loved Stranger of Paradise, I wish they gave it more time in the oven though.
to be absolutley honest thats my exact ranking and I agree with most of the things BUT I really did like the nioh 2 characters and story it just was this something that I loved and I loved every little detail in the lexicon and Tokchiro or Nobuganga or Kashin Koji (the bad guy in the straw hat) and some others will be more remebred for me than the wither 3 chars that I didn't feel any affinity with beside dandelion Ciri and Triss and maybe lambert I liked them I felt that they had a personality and a story to tell but the rest was not vibing with as for Nioh 2 a lot of them were vibing with me and I just liked them cared for them especially Tokchiro and wanted more and with wanting more can't wait for wo long dlc's and can't wait for the rise of the ronin
Agreed, I think Nioh 2 had a pretty decent story too
For me even nioh1 is more combat than wolong
I'm a Team ninja fan as well (as well as souls player) and I loved SoP, especially once all of its DLC was out, but saying the combat system/mechanics are not as in-depth as a souls game is the dumbest thing I have ever heard (sorry to sound so harsh). Also I disagree as classifying any of these games as "souls-likes" even if their marketing is based around the term. this is because they take much more from their Ninja Gaiden games (especially Nioh) then mechanics that Fromsoft popularized.
Most souls games have a very simple combat system consisting of light attack , heavy attack , magic spells, shield parry, I-frame rolls, bows, some weapon skills and that about sums up combat depth in souls games. Souls games have one mechanic that make everything trivial, the I-frame rolls.
Games like SoP on the other hand have a parry/absorb mechanic, a dual class system with customizable moves of all weapon classes (10-13 total), 35-36 jobs to make builds around, active abilities along with weapon skills (all can be customized and swapped out at any time), passive combat buffs, a DMC style devil trigger mode (3 types once you beat the game and get to the DLC), a job cancel mechanic that adds ton to combat depth and cool combos, fully customizable NPC allies (or you could play solo) and as the cherry on top you have the diablo/looter RPG mechanics/stats that add a ton of repeatability and endgame. Souls games are not even in the same league as SoP and Nioh in terms of combat depth.
People seriously underestimate how deep SoP really is and while its not as mechanically technical as Nioh 2 it has just as much depth in its RPG mechanics and build diversity.
As far as my top modern TN games I would put Wo Long last because it was the most basic and watered down version of their past games (enjoyed the game but doesn't hold a candle to their past games), then Nioh 1, SoP is 2nd, and lastly the king is obviously Nioh 2.
I loved wo long too but i did find Nioh 2 almost too hard when i played it on launch.
I adore strangers of paradise. I mean you can play as blue mage or ronin. The job system there is just so sweet. I think ill give Nioh 2 another shot now.
I highly recommend playing with a friend, or waiting for coop partners; n first playthrough of Nioh 2, that and a omnyo build with switchgliave should help make things easier. It feels impossible otherwise. Also another tip, dodge away and wait for an opening to attack, it's not like souls where you dodge and counter.
I find Nioh 2 grossly overrated. So many folks say it improves absolutely everything from 1 but that's untrue. In fact some aspects are straight downgrades. Most people didn't even play 1 or barely touched it. That said I do think 2 is superior, but not by much. SOP however, is easily my favorite. I already loved Final Fantasy so being able to experience it with Team Ninja's immaculate action game design was amazing. I love how they made the job system and iconic FF abilities translate so well into the gameplay and build crafting is so damn fun too (so fun that I spend as much time theorycrafting, fusing, etc as playing the damn game lol). I really hope we get a sequel, which is why I bought multiple copies for my friends and encouraged others to get it.
@@Walamonga1313I can't think of a single thing Nioh 1 does better than 2
Set protagonist instead of soulless doll that only emotes instead of an interesting character in a unique setting. Yokai burst counters and yokai cores limited the core gameplay loop by forcing the player to use them over and over. Ki pulsing is way easier as well, which lowers the skill ceiling. Living weapon is also dogshit. They removed things like sign of the cross spam etc.
@@potatopower2144 Burst counters aren't mandatory and the created character still manages to be more interesting than the generic swordsman.
it is weird how at fun factor, STRANGER is number 1, then wolong, then nioh and at the bottom of the barrel is nioh 2, i really wanted to love nioh2, it was just NIOH 1 without the charm nor the personality.
wolong is so satisfying to beat the bosses, stranger is just so corny and deep.
hope we see more such games, they are all so good.
Well, I play video games to have fun after all, and Stranger is definitely number one on my list for that factor.
If nioh 2 had deflect and jumping it would be the perfect game but i totally agree with the way you ranked them
Wo long is last on my list. Shame they dialed down so many good features and build flexibility.
Exactly, im there with ya. I hope they improve on all their systems for the dlc. They should have hit this game off solid day 1 if they just kept the same qualities of nioh and improved on them rather than changing a lot of what didn't need to be changed. I get they were trying to make a new IP and deter from Nioh but they really missed the mark on so many levels. Like basic ass things with menu management. They must have lost some really good devs otherwise I can't imagine how they messed up this bad lol
@@OSeanSanO exactly. Even the core gameplay is worse, because of the stupid morale system.. Farming lubu for his set while having to collect all the damn flags in order to raise morale in a map you've already completed is more tedious than any farming I've done in the nioh franchise. I'm surprised team ninja took such a huge step back from their previous title. This games itemization is lackluster. 90% of the weapons are bad.. Like so bad they can't even be made to be viable.
@@nanashiryuu5630 You Sound Like You’ve Never Played This Game I Can Tell Tough Games Arnt For You The Only Issue With The Morale System Is Not Getting Enough Morale Back On A Higher Enemies Your Literate Complaining About The Farming Portion Of The Game They Didnt Drop The Ball The Game Just Not For You My Guy It’s Simple A lot Off Ppl Like To Grind Gear And Lvls Instead Of Getting Everything Handed To Em In A Single Player Story Mode Smh.
@@don5033 "You sound like you've never played this game before" my guy I've literally beaten it and half way through new game + and it's no where near as difficult as nioh 1 or 2. You didn't even refute any of my points and I'm the "literate" one 🙄.
@Nanashi Ryuu it's funny how you didn't even hard diss the game lol. Just last on your list and dude got mad.
One thing i really hate is the stamina system, that is why i love sekiro and wo long, attack all you want.
Nioh 2 has the best combat System. Great flow. After 1300 hours its still a lot if fun
I thought the mission layouts in Wo Long were generally better than base-game Nioh 2's, and that the game encouraged exploration much more--but also that the locations themselves got *really* stale, mostly because the setting doesn't really lend itself to great Soulslike levels that well.
beat Wo long can I manage to beat Sekiro?
I would agree with this list but wo long doesn't have all its dlcs and difficulties like the others if we talking about base game yes this list is reasonable but if we talk about dlc difficulties and new mechanics nioh 2 would be the only one still in its correct order
People like you who say that SOP's story is "dogshit" and "so bad its good" don't get it.
This is a story for FF fans, and it superbly ties in to the first FF. And also has many tropes from other FF games especially if you play the DLC.
The story makes full sense and is actually really good, as a repeating time loop.
Yeah I let the comments get to me at first until I watched a SOP story summary and it made so much more sense to me
SOP is cringe.
nioh games are for sure the best in the whole field, especially the 2nd one. But I feel like strangers of paradise is a bit missrepresented here. Especially after dlc 3 the depth of the game went to another level and the amount of builds you were able to play are insane and gearing is also pretty fun. imo, if you have the patience to get through the frist 3 difficulties and hit endgame you got a gem in strangers, but it took me sure a while to get the motivation.
Nioh 2 is a freaking gem! I hated it at first, but it quickly became my favorite game. I just wish the story was better
For some reason, I found Wo Long too convoluted, if that's makes sense. I played like 20 hours and then just quit. I tried. I just couldn't get into it. And then I tried Nioh, and I'm really liking it so far, barely 25 hours into the game, is quite engaging. So Im really thinking of getting Nioh2.
you don't skip Jack Garland, Jack Garland skips YOU
Whaddya mean bricks don't build a house? Hmmm
my personal rank
1 - Stranger of Paradise
2 - Wo Long
3 - Nioh 2
4 - Nioh
Team ninja = gameplay and fighting mechanics will be top tier, all other stuff takes a backseat.
Spent more time on nioh and nioh 2 then elden ring... Wo long only gave me 60 hrs tho but it was a really solid game only downfall was the dlc.. But Ronin looks promising from sekiro to ghost of toshima to nioh 2 Can't wait. Team ninja does not disappoint either way... Can we get a tenchu remake?
Team Ninja should make a medieval looking game like Dark Souls or a dark victorian game like Bloodborne. It would be awesome. Could be Team Ninja's version of Elden Ring.
From everything I've heard, saying SOP lacks combat depth sounds wrong.
My own list:
1. Nioh 2 - I put thousands of hours in this game. The end game content was just a 10/10 for me
2. Wo Long - I personally like the combat approach in this game. I was able to see the game as not a Nioh 3 and enjoyed the combat. The deflection itself isnt “deep” like Sekiro’s multiple parry types (like the Mikiri and Jumping) but the other stuff like Wizardry and Build building makes up for it. Satisfied botu my Nioh and Sekiro itch. Plus, it’s really satisfying.
3. Nioh 1 - nothing really to say. It’s the “less” polished version of Nioh 2 combat. Living weapon was great but if I’m gonna play a Nioh game, I rather play the second one. Still good tho
4. SoP - never played it but I am eyeing it.
I hope they come out with a 3rd
Nioh is by far the best of the lot. Wo Long and Nioh 2 had the most generic and uninteresting characters. Nioh 1 was dark, melancholic, with no bs yokai bursts. They just made everything easier and more streamlined in the games that came after. Sign of the cross spam was love and life
I would personally switch wo long with the first Nioh game, for me both Nioh games are superior to Wo Long, even when this one is also a lot of fun but too simplistic compared to the Nioh games and also less flexible since it really demands to use deflect very often, I prefer the variety and combat depth and flexibility of the Nioh games
I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that Nioh2 is going to be first on the list.
Edit: I am indeed correct :P
Personally i think Wo long is an actual good game, the problem where this much disappointment is coming from is only two places:
1. PC players who got arguably one of the worst ports of the decade - i do play on the PC, however i use controller so it's not AS BAD as some people's experiences with it :)
2. People (like myself) who played Nioh2 and Sekiro (finished like 50 times) and we have the bad habit of comparing it to both games since it's supposed to be a combination of the two. And unfortunately it's not as good as either of them (but still a very good game) but that's only coming from veteran soul/nioh player like myself.
If i played this game before any soulslike i'm sure i would enjoy it MUCH MORE, however it's hard not to compare to their previous game (which i love) and probably my favourite game of all time (Sekiro, and this coming from someone that has played almost all fantasy or medieval themed games on PC's since the 90s)
I think i will save my steam review(not reviewed it) after all 3 DLCs come out, i would like to review the actual finished full product. For Nioh2 at least, my grade jumped from 8 to a 9/10 when including all DLCs.