Genuine review. May be the first no bull e-bike rundown I've seen and when you quote lowest range on a battery I believe that is where most men will find the experience heading, usually. Pretty fast and fun, I hear yuh there and it shows. Thanks for the action views! OA to me it sounds like one of the bets worth a punt in this emerging tech. I've been researching a build and it's looking more like the whole manufactured package , best suited to needs is the wiser path.
She will be riding it in no time, your daughter. I got the Segway X260 on sale for basically the same price as a sur ron and enjoy the app and almost instantaneous changes on throttle and regen etc.. I got it to practice for my KTM 1190 adventure lol. My 12 year old daughter rode it in tame mode on the street and loved it. She is average size for her age and has been riding on the back of my street bikes for years. Long story short I got another one and we are going on trails every week. We go at night with a bunch of aux lighting. This avoids people who can be DB. Since I have 2 bikes, I have 2 batteries! I can slap the 22 LB battery in my back pack and ride all out for 45 miles on trails. I change at 15% right before limp mode. With a backprotector it is barely noticable to have it on your back. It is on the smaller side for a 225 lbs, 6' person but more than adequate in performance and fun. While at the same time a 50" 60 lbs 12 year old girl can learn to ride. Great info and review!
That's great to hear! I'm trying to convince my wife that she needs one too. I have bike shop close to me that will be selling the Segway version soon. Maybe that will help the cause.
Great review! For all the people who want a more dirt bike equivalent electric alternative you can upgrade your Sur Ron x 60V battery to a 72V 45AH which will give more torque, power, and higher top speed! It is called lite speed battery.
Thank you. And yes, it’s amazing what you can do to these bikes now. When I purchased mine a couple of years ago, it seemed like there was no aftermarket at all.
I like your POV from a dirt bike rider which I'm not. gives good input for me who hasn't ridden a bike in 10 years that I should have fun with a sur-ron
@6:17 Cuz its a safety measure, the torque you're getting is instant. You felt so cuz you're experienced in dirt bike riding. But the Surron comes in between MTB and dirt bike category and it's more user friendly in terms of throttle.Also you can adjust it with some basic mtb tools! and make it more impulsive.
@@printcash7 that’s not too bad I guess, still a little more would be nice. The stealthiness is what I like about them, ride around and never bother anyone
If you want the throttle to be more sensitive or you dont have to twist it as much you can use a special coard that it should have come with and then change the settings on the little screen on the handles. You can look it up on RUclips. Just search " how to change settings on your sir Ron" and then the model of yours. If you were wandering or if you didn't know.
Wow I appreciate you taking the time to post this review. I just ordered one and was feeling that initial buyer's remorse, but your video got me excited again. I agree it's a toy I am shocked by the money people are putting into making them amazing. I need to order that rear fender, but I think that is about all I need. Taking the headlight off was free right?
@@bear8012 I already own a KTM and Yamaha dirt bike. I needed something electric to be able to ride it on the trails behind my house. While it's pricey by used dirt bike standards, it's cheap in the world of new electric dirt bikes.
@@bear8012 Absolutely. Its an expensive option for sure. I now have nowhere local to ride my KX without upsetting people and having the cops called on me.. but I can take my Surron out with no issues... and that makes it more than worth it for me. YMMV
I have the sur ron and i got pedals on it i freaking love it ..i go 50mph when i can but mostly do 30mph on the bike trails i love this electric bike/moped
The best part of the Surron, is the insane bang for you buck, nothing remotely comes close! Secondly the aftermarket is picking up and the potential upgrades are evolving quickly which is vital to the longevity of a bike like this. There really is no competition at this pricepoint. My teenage daughter LOVES hers and rides alongside our Motocross bikes all the time, it's a blast. Before you buy one, be sure that you understand that these are NOT LEGAL on hike/bike trail systems, they are only allowed where motorized vehicles are permitted.
It's a totally different than a bike and motorcycle, when you learn how to ride and how to extend distance, you will understand that this is a gamechanger with bikes ,only way I can explain the bike is tron.
Thanks! I've been upgrading the bike a good bit over the past year. You can check out more about that here on my personal channel : ruclips.net/video/Zbq3FkEAL34/видео.html
I've since upgraded the tires and swapped over to a chain drive. I'm always on the lookout for a set of Fox 40s, but they are hard to come by these days. A good set of shocks would really help this bike tremendously.
It’s from xtreme power US. It’s the 36 V version. I used to be able to just submit the Amazon link to the comments but it’s not showing on Amazon any longer. Not sure if they’ve discontinued it or if they’re just a newer model
I agree, it's way steep especially when you factor in all the things you really need to replace in order to make it trail worthy: I'm $6K into mine now-total price after upgrades (bars, tubes, controller, handguards), and I haven't even done the bigger/better wheels, which is definitely necessary.
I think it can replace any gas bike for general ofr road trail riding as you can now buy yourself a Rivian R1T, ditch the gas guzler pick up and still off road drive to great locations, ride you're Sur ron and then recharge it straight from the Rivian over lunch. Win win! 👍
I love this bike. I ended up purchasing another battery and doing a handful of mods. As battery tech evolves, I think platforms like this are only going to get better.
guys, come on be honest about the capabilities of the Surron, it does not compete against a motocross bike even remotely close in it's stock form. To get a little closer to an MX bike you need to spend $1000's on: Suspension, Wheels, Tires, ergonomics, etc. And even then it's still a totally different machine, it will never take you on a serious trail ride beyond 25ish miles (unless you like to ride slow), it's lacking in power, the suspension isn't as good, there are so many ways an MX bike blows it out of the water. The RUclips's of dudes passing 450's on a Surron let's be real here: 80% rider, 20% bike. I'm not saying the Surron is bad, in fact I own 2 of them parked right along multiple KTM's and a CRF450R. They are different, and enjoyable in different ways. Myself as a once pro-level rider, I can go WAY FASTER on my MX bikes compared to the Surron and I prefer my KTM300 90% of the time. A beginner however will LOVE the surron and maybe go faster/similar speed to an MX bike which takes a lot more skill to master. Perfect example, my teenage daughter will choose the Surron 80% of the time.
@@BrianLampright913 No-one said it could beat an MX bike as stock. As you said, they are different bikes. On some trails you don't stand a chance with an MX. The same way that on some trails, you don't strand a chance against a mountain bike. Like it or not, it's how it is 🙌 If you tell me you'd go faster there on your MX bike, bro I'll be paying you for riding lessons ruclips.net/video/YNHtSeiY5Dk/видео.html
@@MTO_Brothers Awesome MTB vid! If you took a Surron down that trail I guarantee you would be significantly slower vs your MTB :) A Gravity trail like that is where a light weight MTB with top end suspension just kills it! I'm a mountain biker as well, spend about 50% of my time on MTB vs MX. :)
Nice work, really good video. I am planning to buy Sur Ron but i have doubt about battery temperature as we all ride dirt bike to their limits so this electric version batteries will heat up a lot, its a most important critical factor but no video shows what exactly temperature behaviour of sur ron batteries in field, can you guyz show us, it would be so exciting to watch temperature behaviour of Sur Ron battery in action.
I've had this bike for two years now. I've ridden it in 93 degree weather and 32 degree weather. I've never had an issue with either of my batteries. There's now some serious aftermarket support for these in regards to batteries. Chi Battery and ebmxtreme out of Australia both offer 60 and 72v battery options with more amp hours. Everything is still crazy expensive for these things however, which I hope will decrease in time.
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Good video.....except the stability part at high speeds...not sure if you got it somehow set up wrong, but unless you're going 80+.....it's stable....take your hands off the bars and coast "stable" I got 3 of them, 1 with 72v bat and asi bac8000 from litespeed, and the other two with stock bms bypass/bac8000. They're definitely the future....check some of my vids out...mine got no ads too....lol
My comment about stability was more in reference to how it feels compared to my bigger on-road dual-sport bikes. I love the bike. My time on-road is more limited for sure.
Use a peg drop kit, raise the bars a few inches and increase the fork rake a few degrees (either with a taller tire or 21" wheel) and the handling comes alive like crazy.
These are not MX bike replacements, they are fun in other ways though. I own 2, one is for my teenage daughter, the other is for my 74 year old father who still likes to twist the throttle. These are amazing for beginners and people who don't want to spend the time to learn how to be really good on an MX bike with extra weight, learning clutch control, and all the maintenance.
Hey, I would love to hear the answer, because didnt quit get it, if i buy sur ron, or segway x160, can i ride on roads (sidewalks)? or only offroad places
It probably depends on where you live. These bikes are faster than any pedal-assist e-bike, so they would be better suited for the street than a sidewalk.
You probably just need to change the fork and get different tires and it will probably be more stable on the road at 50 miles an hour that looks just more like it's stock and those tires are definitely for dirt
I don't really ride it on the road. I did end up swapping out the tires, but for a more aggressive set for the dirt I often ride in. A front fork upgrade will probably come sooner or later. They are just crazy expensive!
It probably depends on the state. I know of at least one person here in North Carolina who successfully registered theirs as a moped. That required liability insurance.
@@DrivingLine i am going to buy the bike in like 2 months but the big price here in my country for 4k u can get more then 4 scooters 50cc or just 1 and u can make it relly fast so i cant decide
I have two stock batteries and going on over two years of ownership. I haven't experienced a single issue out of the batteries. There are a lot of aftermarket battery options for these bikes now as well.
They make road legal versions of this overseas. I don’t think they ship one road legal one in the US. I know in some states you can title these as mopeds.
Unfortunately Alta has been closed down for couple years now. KTM still in it, hit you would be a fool to get theirs for the same price as a brand new 500 exc
I have two batteries now. On my last trip to the mountains, I got 46 miles of hard ridding in. You learn how to eek out more charge and still have fun.
Once it’s unlocked by the app, can you hack it so they can’t “relock it”. I don’t want any possibility of the bike being hacked by anyone. I think it’s ridiculous that you need an app to ride a bike.
@@DrivingLine I'm thinking of buying one. My mate rides but he thinks I'm stupid getting a surron. Have U looking in to the MX body kits ? And is this really worth it. Cause in my country they r 9 thousand dollars.
I think it would be fine. Size wise, it's similar to a CRF150R Expert. You can keep it in the less powerful mode until they get used to it, then Sport mode will give them plenty of power to enjoy trail riding. It's not a good motocross bike, but for woods riding, it's great.
@@DrivingLine Ay mate thanks very much for replying currently looking at this and hoping to get one to ride around a 50 acre block mainly of Aussie wood bush so yeah. Hope you have a good day! Cheers
Which one did you go with? I found one, but it was a conversion for early bikes using a cable throttle. I haven't found one that's for bikes that already have the existing drive-by-wire throttle.
The actual charge time is around three hours with 10-percent battery left. It's also suggested to let the battery cool for about an hour before re-charging and let it balance for about an hour after it's charged. I ended up buying another battery to have a spare when I go out of town with it.
Depends on cop. Need the pedals really and explain that it’s a mountain bike or e assist then your subject to those rules. Most officers have no idea, some will insist it needs a plate and others will say your good to go
I've ridden in wet and muddy conditions and have not had an issue. There are videos of guys doing crazy water crossing on these, but I would avoid it. I don't think riding in the rain would harm it.
In North Carolina, I have seen people tag them as mopeds. There is another version of this bike that is street legal that is overseas, but I have not seen it imported in the US.
I don’t trust the tires that low. I think when I step up to a better set of actual dirtbike tires, I’ll be able to drop it down to that without issue. Just too concerned about pinch flats at the moment.
2nd time out and my surron x randomly died on the trail. Had to drag it back. I’m waiting to hear what I should do with it. It’s not even a week old. Really disappointed. Caution.
Hate to hear that. Hopefully, it's something small that just go overlooked. I'm going on 9 months with mine and have not had an issue where it randomly died.
Theres multiple things to check. The kickstand sensor. The brake sensor. The battery. I would look around to see whats going on because this bike is really worth it i wouldn't put it off
It's on the smaller side for sure. I have friends that ride these that are 6ft. Swapping to taller handle bars and going with the 21-inch front wheel helps for taller riders.
I’m 6’4 and it definitely felt small but is still a blast Luna has some new parts like a peg extender and a lift kit should add about 4 inches and 2 inches back between the two
A Russian guy on you tube sells all sorts of goodies including a fatter seat/footpeg extensions for a longer leg/and 3 to 4" riser bars so you're good upto 6' 4'"
Segways bike is complete Shake compared to this one though so that would be a horrible thing to push other people towards if this one isn't in stock this one has a lot more power and potential
Segway offers an X160 and an X260. The X260 is the same bike as the SurRon shown here. I have a friend local to me with one. The Segway app is really nice as it allows you to adjust throttle sensitivity super easily.
Yep. It adds up quick. I spend more time ripping serious trails with my KTM. If I could get more mileage out of the battery, I would consider dumping more money into it. But, for now, it's fun just the way it is.
@@DrivingLine yes definitely not cheap and battery power is nice but it’s limited.They are still far away from gas bikes.If you got 100 miles out of a battery it would be great.
Have you looked at the Chinese motocross called time.It looks nice but I have only seen 1 RUclips video on it.I spoke to the manufacturer and they say it has more power than the suron
36v bike I found on Amazon. XtremepowerUS 36V Dirt Bike Kids... www.amazon.com/dp/B08PXT2639?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share The battery life has been really good. The suspension is ok, but a big improvement over the Razor MX350 she was riding. The biggest issue we have with it is the grips are fairly large and make it hard for her little hands to grab the brakes as easily. I might end up swapping the handlebars out on it.
Yes. I love the electric. SurRon is making a larger version of this bike called the StormBee. I think that will take care of many of the shortcomings of this bike. I still have my KTM 250 4-stroke. While it's a blast to ride, the electric is way more fun. Not to mention the lack of engine heat in the summer time is a real benefit. Keep in mind the range is still limited with these. I now own two batteries.
You should slam that setup in a Honda 125..boom problem solved.. no fuel. Shocks tires rims no gastank. Inner cooler engine. Exhaust. Noise..maybe lighter. Than add that headlight. Led. Have one amazing setup..maybe a work on a conversion.
It's not street legal, at least here in North Carolina. You might be able to get it plated as a moped, but you would still need a valid license for that.
@@aasberg I thought he was referring to the rough spot on the side of the rotor. Hopefully he can see in the next video pan that it shows the rotors have that sort of lobe design to them.
Looked like there was a big chip out of the disc but I could be wrong. Looking online shows the discs do have lobe to them. I had no idea but thanks for clearing that up. Be safe out there bro 👍
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Genuine review. May be the first no bull e-bike rundown I've seen and when you quote lowest range on a battery I believe that is where most men will find the experience heading, usually. Pretty fast and fun, I hear yuh there and it shows. Thanks for the action views! OA to me it sounds like one of the bets worth a punt in this emerging tech. I've been researching a build and it's looking more like the whole manufactured package , best suited to needs is the wiser path.
She will be riding it in no time, your daughter. I got the Segway X260 on sale for basically the same price as a sur ron and enjoy the app and almost instantaneous changes on throttle and regen etc.. I got it to practice for my KTM 1190 adventure lol. My 12 year old daughter rode it in tame mode on the street and loved it. She is average size for her age and has been riding on the back of my street bikes for years. Long story short I got another one and we are going on trails every week. We go at night with a bunch of aux lighting. This avoids people who can be DB. Since I have 2 bikes, I have 2 batteries! I can slap the 22 LB battery in my back pack and ride all out for 45 miles on trails. I change at 15% right before limp mode. With a backprotector it is barely noticable to have it on your back. It is on the smaller side for a 225 lbs, 6' person but more than adequate in performance and fun. While at the same time a 50" 60 lbs 12 year old girl can learn to ride. Great info and review!
That's great to hear! I'm trying to convince my wife that she needs one too. I have bike shop close to me that will be selling the Segway version soon. Maybe that will help the cause.
Great review! For all the people who want a more dirt bike equivalent electric alternative you can upgrade your Sur Ron x 60V battery to a 72V 45AH which will give more torque, power, and higher top speed! It is called lite speed battery.
Thank you. And yes, it’s amazing what you can do to these bikes now. When I purchased mine a couple of years ago, it seemed like there was no aftermarket at all.
I like your POV from a dirt bike rider which I'm not. gives good input for me who hasn't ridden a bike in 10 years that I should have fun with a sur-ron
@6:17 Cuz its a safety measure, the torque you're getting is instant. You felt so cuz you're experienced in dirt bike riding. But the Surron comes in between MTB and dirt bike category and it's more user friendly in terms of throttle.Also you can adjust it with some basic mtb tools! and make it more impulsive.
So throttle can be adjusted too feel more like a db?
I really think for neighborhood goofing around they’d be perfect. Just have another battery to swap out.
The batteries r worth over 1000
@@carmelwhite2871 damn that’s big $, for me anyway.
@@deborahchesser7375 wouldn’t need another battery... the range is about 30-50 miles
@@printcash7 that’s not too bad I guess, still a little more would be nice. The stealthiness is what I like about them, ride around and never bother anyone
The battery costs over 2k i think
Good review! Concise and summarized. I've got a WR250 and the comparison was perfect for me to get and idea.
If you want the throttle to be more sensitive or you dont have to twist it as much you can use a special coard that it should have come with and then change the settings on the little screen on the handles. You can look it up on RUclips. Just search " how to change settings on your sir Ron" and then the model of yours. If you were wandering or if you didn't know.
Thanks for the tip! I knew you could do that on the Segway, but didn't know how on the Sur-Ron.
The Australian Army is evaluating this very bike.
australian army is an oxymoron
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This is a really well made, comprehensive review man; good job.
Thank you!
If you thinking of getting one do it. The price is going up and there a blast
I’m guessing you have one. What terrain do you ride?
@@marke2401 yea I have one I ride both off-road and have a super moto for when I want to just ride street, they shine off road though
@@turbotim9009 nice. Thank you
Wow I appreciate you taking the time to post this review. I just ordered one and was feeling that initial buyer's remorse, but your video got me excited again. I agree it's a toy I am shocked by the money people are putting into making them amazing. I need to order that rear fender, but I think that is about all I need. Taking the headlight off was free right?
Thanks. I pulled the headlight when I ditched the brake sensors. I haven’t found a spot where I need it.
u could of bought a second hand suzuki for less than what u paid for the e-bike....
@@bear8012 I already own a KTM and Yamaha dirt bike. I needed something electric to be able to ride it on the trails behind my house. While it's pricey by used dirt bike standards, it's cheap in the world of new electric dirt bikes.
@@bear8012 Absolutely. Its an expensive option for sure.
I now have nowhere local to ride my KX without upsetting people and having the cops called on me.. but I can take my Surron out with no issues... and that makes it more than worth it for me. YMMV
I have the sur ron and i got pedals on it i freaking love it ..i go 50mph when i can but mostly do 30mph on the bike trails i love this electric bike/moped
How hard is the bike to pedal with no assist on flat ground? Is it even possible?
What state you riding in?
@@lonelycorpro1 why wouldn't it be possible as long as there is air in the tires
in terms of hour how long can it go riding 30mph and 50mph?
The best part of the Surron, is the insane bang for you buck, nothing remotely comes close! Secondly the aftermarket is picking up and the potential upgrades are evolving quickly which is vital to the longevity of a bike like this. There really is no competition at this pricepoint. My teenage daughter LOVES hers and rides alongside our Motocross bikes all the time, it's a blast. Before you buy one, be sure that you understand that these are NOT LEGAL on hike/bike trail systems, they are only allowed where motorized vehicles are permitted.
And why its not legal?
@@Bleideris0 it’s a motorized vehicle not a bicycle
@@BrianLampright913 ehhh, im sure in my country it would be labelled as scooter, which dont have the right to drive nowhere (drivers are assholes) :D
It's a totally different than a bike and motorcycle, when you learn how to ride and how to extend distance, you will understand that this is a gamechanger with bikes ,only way I can explain the bike is tron.
Best review I saw about the Sur-Ron!
Thank you!
Man this is the best review I've seen of this bike! I'm so sold.
Thank you! This bike is a lot of fun.
stock tires ok till rocky area and higher tire pressure- then pretty slippery
I would appreciate hearing more of your perspective on the 2 wheeled endeavours
Thanks! I've been upgrading the bike a good bit over the past year. You can check out more about that here on my personal channel : ruclips.net/video/Zbq3FkEAL34/видео.html
the sur ron community welcomes you
get tires that are better suited for sandy trails. tires are key for sur rons
A set of second hand fox 40s or rock shox boxxers would be a great upgrade for thse machines as well as some decent tyres.
I've since upgraded the tires and swapped over to a chain drive. I'm always on the lookout for a set of Fox 40s, but they are hard to come by these days. A good set of shocks would really help this bike tremendously.
@@DrivingLine I've heard the brakes are also a point of interest for upgrade.
Nice review. I'd love to know what bike your daughter was riding. Thanks 👍🏻
It’s from xtreme power US. It’s the 36 V version. I used to be able to just submit the Amazon link to the comments but it’s not showing on Amazon any longer. Not sure if they’ve discontinued it or if they’re just a newer model
@@DrivingLine thanks a lot 😊
The best Sur Ron review by a long way. Thank you.
Get the 72v battery from litespeed and the BAC4000 for Emoto bros and you can get a lot more range and power!
I've definitely consider it.
How many more miles range? If going average of 30 mph and 230 lb rider?
Useable offroad range: 15 miles, 20 miles MAYBE...if you limp the last 6 miles in EP mode.
Price tag is a little steep or I’d definitely hop on it.
honestly, everyones saying 4k is a pretty good price for what you're getting. I kinda agree since other electric dirt bikes cost as much as 10-15k
I agree, it's way steep especially when you factor in all the things you really need to replace in order to make it trail worthy: I'm $6K into mine now-total price after upgrades (bars, tubes, controller, handguards), and I haven't even done the bigger/better wheels, which is definitely necessary.
I think it can replace any gas bike for general ofr road trail riding as you can now buy yourself a Rivian R1T, ditch the gas guzler pick up and still off road drive to great locations, ride you're Sur ron and then recharge it straight from the Rivian over lunch. Win win! 👍
I love this bike. I ended up purchasing another battery and doing a handful of mods. As battery tech evolves, I think platforms like this are only going to get better.
You answered my questions. Not replacing my KTM.
Different beats. But throw some mods at it and it can compete with with a 450 or 250 two strokes.
I’ll make sure to post a video on the subject.
I ride mine with 450/250 2 strokes on the trails and have no issues
guys, come on be honest about the capabilities of the Surron, it does not compete against a motocross bike even remotely close in it's stock form. To get a little closer to an MX bike you need to spend $1000's on: Suspension, Wheels, Tires, ergonomics, etc. And even then it's still a totally different machine, it will never take you on a serious trail ride beyond 25ish miles (unless you like to ride slow), it's lacking in power, the suspension isn't as good, there are so many ways an MX bike blows it out of the water. The RUclips's of dudes passing 450's on a Surron let's be real here: 80% rider, 20% bike. I'm not saying the Surron is bad, in fact I own 2 of them parked right along multiple KTM's and a CRF450R. They are different, and enjoyable in different ways. Myself as a once pro-level rider, I can go WAY FASTER on my MX bikes compared to the Surron and I prefer my KTM300 90% of the time. A beginner however will LOVE the surron and maybe go faster/similar speed to an MX bike which takes a lot more skill to master. Perfect example, my teenage daughter will choose the Surron 80% of the time.
@@BrianLampright913 No-one said it could beat an MX bike as stock.
As you said, they are different bikes. On some trails you don't stand a chance with an MX. The same way that on some trails, you don't strand a chance against a mountain bike.
Like it or not, it's how it is 🙌
If you tell me you'd go faster there on your MX bike, bro I'll be paying you for riding lessons
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@@MTO_Brothers Awesome MTB vid! If you took a Surron down that trail I guarantee you would be significantly slower vs your MTB :) A Gravity trail like that is where a light weight MTB with top end suspension just kills it! I'm a mountain biker as well, spend about 50% of my time on MTB vs MX. :)
Looks stunning
Nice work, really good video. I am planning to buy Sur Ron but i have doubt about battery temperature as we all ride dirt bike to their limits so this electric version batteries will heat up a lot, its a most important critical factor but no video shows what exactly temperature behaviour of sur ron batteries in field, can you guyz show us, it would be so exciting to watch temperature behaviour of Sur Ron battery in action.
I've had this bike for two years now. I've ridden it in 93 degree weather and 32 degree weather. I've never had an issue with either of my batteries. There's now some serious aftermarket support for these in regards to batteries. Chi Battery and ebmxtreme out of Australia both offer 60 and 72v battery options with more amp hours. Everything is still crazy expensive for these things however, which I hope will decrease in time.
@@DrivingLine Happy to see your response, thanks
The silver spokes let the styling down, especially on this blacked out one.
Sounds like u don’t like going fast on a bike. First or last Bobby
Shake n bake baby!
wow its so nice! I wiss I could have that kind of bike
Me too😢😢😢
I’m waiting for next gen batteries to come out. These things will only get better
If we were ALL serious about getting rid of reliance on foreign crude oil, there's a solution that's already somewhat been put to the test that worked brilliantly in the US, but needs to be done on a larger scale, with more immediacy! "The First Test! Look around today! We started with money back incentives on hybrid and electric cars when they were finally ready, sales were slow(the cars were slow), but increased as the cars got better, we can skip that step, because what I'm talking about is already "better", we've at it for a decade, and we even race them! People were timid at first and needed encouragement, and it worked!...We see Tesla's and Prius', etc everywhere these days, that incentive WORKED! Now we have even more incentive, moving from reliance on Russian/foreign fuels, we CAN do this! at least to a degree that it massively changes how things are now, and turbocharges a movement that's ALREADY in motion! :D
1- The incredible amount of electric 2 wheeled vehicles, scooters, bikes, etc has drastically increased, and the technology is everywhere! There are incredible examples out there! average price around $1700 (a little too much for people that are timid about the technology still, but they know it works.) The rides we're mainly talking about are the higher end models in the $3k range.
2- ranges and speeds(from 20mph to 45mph) have been increased to the point where they can take the place of gas powered scooters, and small cycles. easily handling 20-70 mile round trips on a single charge.(depending on options weight, quality of bike, etc)..you can also plug them in while at work or wherever you;re heading, no special equipment needed(BIG PLUS!)
3- prices range between $800(mostly for teens) to $3000(daily riders, and reliable) for very decent examples. Even if we were given a coupon or certificate for $2000 towards an E-bike, scooter, etc, we could probably make up the difference and buy a quality product easily.
4- pathways need to be created, min 2 foot wide along major roads, and commuter areas, we can share with bicycles! THIS is job creation! Not to mention the development of the bikes themselves :)
5- It would cost literally nothing relative to the benefits, to give people certificates to obtain one vehicle, or partial payment of 1 vehicle per household, example: gift every citizen with $2-3000 certificates used ONLY towards an electric vehicle, this money would be returned within weeks, or months on fuel savings, and lives saved cutting Russia off more and more. As people started using them, and seeing the massive benefits of low maintenance, worry free tech that is electric cycling!
6- it would allow us to lessen our dependence on foreign oil by a small percentage, but only at first, as the trend continues, and advancement moves towards electric commuting anyway, this would only increase dramatically, even exponentially over a short period of time!
7- There are already service centers in most cities, multiples of them, some selling their very own products. Helping out Mom and Pop stores that grew their business from regular bikes to E-bikes, what's not great about that?!
8- life enhancements, they're fun, seriously fun! I suggest riding one if you haven't! halved, or more fuel costs per family alone would spur the economy, gradually increasing over time, this would be the perfect opportunity, and with the most honorable reasons to start the E-bike revolution. meaning savings, job, transportation, less traffic, and we haven't even mentioned the Green effect it would have on the planet! Better economy, Better world!
EVERYTHING about this makes sense, we're not talking cars, but we could! we're just talking about basic ways to commute that don't rely on fossil fuels, and would help everyone.
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If you read that, thank you, and please consider pushing to someone that can do something with it, we need to do this!
No lower brace on forks thought that was added my small Suntour xct have one.
Good video.....except the stability part at high speeds...not sure if you got it somehow set up wrong, but unless you're going 80+.....it's stable....take your hands off the bars and coast "stable" I got 3 of them, 1 with 72v bat and asi bac8000 from litespeed, and the other two with stock bms bypass/bac8000. They're definitely the future....check some of my vids out...mine got no ads too....lol
My comment about stability was more in reference to how it feels compared to my bigger on-road dual-sport bikes. I love the bike. My time on-road is more limited for sure.
@@DrivingLine word👍
Use a peg drop kit, raise the bars a few inches and increase the fork rake a few degrees (either with a taller tire or 21" wheel) and the handling comes alive like crazy.
I wish these were about $1000-$1500 cheaper. Hard to justify it at 4 grand.
If you own a sur ron people sell 3rd party switches for the lights so you can turn it on and off
You are correct. When I first picked mine up, the aftermarket support was nothing like it is now. So awesome to see how it has grown.
Hello there, nice review, what e bike your daughter drive, I would like something for my twins also!
I got it on Amazon. Here's the link: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PXT2639/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@DrivingLine thanks in advance
I’d be more inclined to buy one of the ebike with pedals. The will never replace my Husky tho.
Kaniwaba pedal kit
I’m about to make a video against my friend with his Husky TE300i. With a good build, it definitely can compete.
@@MTO_Brothers all day?
@@davedonedis Nope. To compete all day, you'd need two batteries, that's for sure.
These are not MX bike replacements, they are fun in other ways though. I own 2, one is for my teenage daughter, the other is for my 74 year old father who still likes to twist the throttle. These are amazing for beginners and people who don't want to spend the time to learn how to be really good on an MX bike with extra weight, learning clutch control, and all the maintenance.
What do you recommend for commuting
Hey, I would love to hear the answer, because didnt quit get it, if i buy sur ron, or segway x160, can i ride on roads (sidewalks)? or only offroad places
It probably depends on where you live. These bikes are faster than any pedal-assist e-bike, so they would be better suited for the street than a sidewalk.
Is it completely illegal for street or can you stay under 20 and it will be fine ?
Depends on the state. Here in NC, you can register them as a Moped and legally ride them on the road.
Hi, great review, I’ve just ordered one! Question, what bike does your daughter have in this video, I want one you my son?
Thank you. Here’s the link to the bike I bought her. www.amazon.com/dp/B08PXT2639?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
@@Ali_Mansour_Editor hey thanks for the quick reply, subscribed!!
@@Micky_pearce Thank you! No problem.
@@Ali_Mansour_Editor please keep the sur Ron vids coming, yours is one of the best reviews I’ve found 👏
@@Micky_pearce i’m heading back to the mountains with it next month. I’ll be posting some videos of it on my own channel.
Cool video, what’s the model of ebike that your daughter has got? Thanks
It's this : www.amazon.com/dp/B08PXT2639?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
@@DrivingLine thanks
Do you need insurance. In uk we need insurance to go anywhere unless private with permission
You probably just need to change the fork and get different tires and it will probably be more stable on the road at 50 miles an hour that looks just more like it's stock and those tires are definitely for dirt
I don't really ride it on the road. I did end up swapping out the tires, but for a more aggressive set for the dirt I often ride in. A front fork upgrade will probably come sooner or later. They are just crazy expensive!
It’s available in Abu Dhabi? And How much?
In the US they are now $4,200 from Luna Cycle.
Does the head light comes with the bike right out the box or do you have to pay extra for it?
It comes with it.
Awesome
if you were to register the bike, would you have to insure it?
It probably depends on the state. I know of at least one person here in North Carolina who successfully registered theirs as a moped. That required liability insurance.
How tall are you, i just want to know so i can compare my size to the bike
I’m 5’6. Not very tall. 😁 Hope that helps.
@@Ali_Mansour_Editor thank you so much, actually its funny cuz I’m the exact same height😂
@@Yhya26 Awesome!
u can ubgrade the batery to a 60v 60ah or 72v 60ah and u can sell the old baterry
You can now for sure! It’s great to see how much the aftermarket has exploded since I first got the bike.
@@DrivingLine i am going to buy the bike in like 2 months but the big price here in my country for 4k u can get more then 4 scooters 50cc or just 1 and u can make it relly fast so i cant decide
How long will a surron battery last before it breaks?
I have two stock batteries and going on over two years of ownership. I haven't experienced a single issue out of the batteries. There are a lot of aftermarket battery options for these bikes now as well.
Can you ride it on the road without a license or permit?
They make road legal versions of this overseas. I don’t think they ship one road legal one in the US. I know in some states you can title these as mopeds.
what kind of forks do you have on your Sur Ron?
They are still the DNM Volcano ones that came with it.
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Just to be clear this isn’t a brand to replace your dirt bike you should look into actual e dirt bikes look into Alta
Unfortunately Alta has been closed down for couple years now. KTM still in it, hit you would be a fool to get theirs for the same price as a brand new 500 exc
So barely an hour of trail riding I'm guessing? Is it pragmatic to haul a second battery in a back pack? I'm guessing not.
I have two batteries now. On my last trip to the mountains, I got 46 miles of hard ridding in. You learn how to eek out more charge and still have fun.
i want i want i want i want i want
Did you change the front forks or they stock.
They are stock. I just pulled the stickers off.
Once it’s unlocked by the app, can you hack it so they can’t “relock it”. I don’t want any possibility of the bike being hacked by anyone. I think it’s ridiculous that you need an app to ride a bike.
You don’t
Have U cut the speed limiter?
Yes.
@@DrivingLine I'm thinking of buying one. My mate rides but he thinks I'm stupid getting a surron. Have U looking in to the MX body kits ? And is this really worth it. Cause in my country they r 9 thousand dollars.
any recommendations for trail riding sur rons in NC? Im in charlotte.
Uwharrie National Forest when it’s dry is a lot of fun and close to Charlotte. Brown Mountain is another spot worth exploring.
Would this be a good first bike for a 15 year old?
I think it would be fine. Size wise, it's similar to a CRF150R Expert. You can keep it in the less powerful mode until they get used to it, then Sport mode will give them plenty of power to enjoy trail riding. It's not a good motocross bike, but for woods riding, it's great.
@@DrivingLine Ay mate thanks very much for replying currently looking at this and hoping to get one to ride around a 50 acre block mainly of Aussie wood bush so yeah. Hope you have a good day! Cheers
I’m curious, is their a valid difference from the Sur-Ron to Segway besides prices?
The Segway has an app that makes tuning the power and throttle sensitivity very easy, but the bikes are essentially the same.
You can get a quarter turn throttle, I put one on mine.
Which one did you go with? I found one, but it was a conversion for early bikes using a cable throttle. I haven't found one that's for bikes that already have the existing drive-by-wire throttle.
@@DrivingLine luna cycle
@@DrivingLine be careful tho it takes getting used to lol
@@timjohnson9406 OK. Perfect. That's who I got the bike through. I will check it out. Thank you.
Any link where to buy it?
lunacycle.com/sur-ron-x-bike-black-edition/ Here you go!
How long does it take to charge bro?
The actual charge time is around three hours with 10-percent battery left. It's also suggested to let the battery cool for about an hour before re-charging and let it balance for about an hour after it's charged. I ended up buying another battery to have a spare when I go out of town with it.
Awesome! It doesn't emit carcinogens into our children's lungs.👍
Nope! Just other children where the lithium is mined.
What is sunron bicycle or motorcycle ? Pls tell me l want to buy
It's more motorcycle than it is bicycle. You can buy a pedal kit for it, but it's really designed to be an electric dirt bike.
@@DrivingLine thx man
Is this thing street legal and do you need a license to drive it on the road?
Depends on where you live. Here in North Carolina, I have learned that we can plate them as a moped. That will require insurance and proof of license.
Depends on cop. Need the pedals really and explain that it’s a mountain bike or e assist then your subject to those rules. Most officers have no idea, some will insist it needs a plate and others will say your good to go
What about riding in the rain, what would happen
I've ridden in wet and muddy conditions and have not had an issue. There are videos of guys doing crazy water crossing on these, but I would avoid it. I don't think riding in the rain would harm it.
What side are the back brakes on
The left.
Is it street legal as a bike?
In North Carolina, you can register it as a Moped, but not a street-legal motorcycle.
What is the link to buy the extended rear seat Fender you have - Thanks!
americansurron.com/products/sur-ron-light-bee-rear-long-fender
@@DrivingLine Sweet - Thank you.
Can we ship to India 🇮🇳
Yes but it costs your 20 years wage
Are these street legal?
In North Carolina, I have seen people tag them as mopeds. There is another version of this bike that is street legal that is overseas, but I have not seen it imported in the US.
You should be running like 12 PSI or less and run rim locks
I don’t trust the tires that low. I think when I step up to a better set of actual dirtbike tires, I’ll be able to drop it down to that without issue. Just too concerned about pinch flats at the moment.
what state are you in?
I’m based out of North Carolina.
How I purchase this bike
If you are in the United States, you order it from Luna Cycle.
2nd time out and my surron x randomly died on the trail. Had to drag it back. I’m waiting to hear what I should do with it. It’s not even a week old. Really disappointed. Caution.
Hate to hear that. Hopefully, it's something small that just go overlooked. I'm going on 9 months with mine and have not had an issue where it randomly died.
Theres multiple things to check. The kickstand sensor. The brake sensor. The battery. I would look around to see whats going on because this bike is really worth it i wouldn't put it off
I’m 6ft , that comparison with your YZ, looks tiny lol!.
It's on the smaller side for sure. I have friends that ride these that are 6ft. Swapping to taller handle bars and going with the 21-inch front wheel helps for taller riders.
I’m 6’4 and it definitely felt small but is still a blast Luna has some new parts like a peg extender and a lift kit should add about 4 inches and 2 inches back between the two
A Russian guy on you tube sells all sorts of goodies including a fatter seat/footpeg extensions for a longer leg/and 3 to 4" riser bars so you're good upto 6' 4'"
@@ianmangham4570 Vlad
@@steveshot81 The Impaler?
Segways bike is complete Shake compared to this one though so that would be a horrible thing to push other people towards if this one isn't in stock this one has a lot more power and potential
Segway offers an X160 and an X260. The X260 is the same bike as the SurRon shown here. I have a friend local to me with one. The Segway app is really nice as it allows you to adjust throttle sensitivity super easily.
You can buy a bigger battery
Better brakes
Better suspension
Better bar
Better ESC
Better rims and tires
All,that will cost you a few grand easy.
Yep. It adds up quick. I spend more time ripping serious trails with my KTM. If I could get more mileage out of the battery, I would consider dumping more money into it. But, for now, it's fun just the way it is.
@@DrivingLine yes definitely not cheap and battery power is nice but it’s limited.They are still far away from gas bikes.If you got 100 miles out of a battery it would be great.
Have you looked at the Chinese motocross called time.It looks nice but I have only seen 1 RUclips video on it.I spoke to the manufacturer and they say it has more power than the suron
What is the bike your daughter is riding?
36v bike I found on Amazon. XtremepowerUS 36V Dirt Bike Kids... www.amazon.com/dp/B08PXT2639?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
The battery life has been really good. The suspension is ok, but a big improvement over the Razor MX350 she was riding. The biggest issue we have with it is the grips are fairly large and make it hard for her little hands to grab the brakes as easily. I might end up swapping the handlebars out on it.
Why would you trade gas for electric,?
Yes. I love the electric. SurRon is making a larger version of this bike called the StormBee. I think that will take care of many of the shortcomings of this bike. I still have my KTM 250 4-stroke. While it's a blast to ride, the electric is way more fun. Not to mention the lack of engine heat in the summer time is a real benefit. Keep in mind the range is still limited with these. I now own two batteries.
Stairs at my 10k MTB without a motor.
This is not an e-bike, it a motorcycle. Don't believe me? Try riding it on the street and see what happens.
You should slam that setup in a Honda 125..boom problem solved.. no fuel. Shocks tires rims no gastank. Inner cooler engine. Exhaust. Noise..maybe lighter. Than add that headlight. Led. Have one amazing setup..maybe a work on a conversion.
Do you need a license to drive it?
It's not street legal, at least here in North Carolina. You might be able to get it plated as a moped, but you would still need a valid license for that.
Unfortunately the price has risen almost $800.00 in 2021. No thanks...
Saw that the other day. I'm guessing maybe it is part due to Covid. Not sure.
That's not an ebike. An ebike has pedals & requires some actual effort on the part of the rider.
Its a electric MX bike.
You can add pedals to it.
If that your back yard an an were U ride by the water an in the sand That is Awesome
I am very fortunate to be next to water here in coastal NC.
It’s not 50mph, c’mon man. How do you not know this? More like 40mph max.
Using mountain bike parts won't they degrade quickly because it's going at dirt bike speeds
This is true. I burn through brake pads fairly quickly.
can you drop the 72 battery into it?
I believe you will need a different controller if you are going to swap out the battery.
Ouch. What happened to the rear disc @ 3:00
Hit a rock in the mountains.
Its just how theyre designed, they look like that all way round.
@@aasberg I thought he was referring to the rough spot on the side of the rotor. Hopefully he can see in the next video pan that it shows the rotors have that sort of lobe design to them.
Looked like there was a big chip out of the disc but I could be wrong. Looking online shows the discs do have lobe to them. I had no idea but thanks for clearing that up. Be safe out there bro 👍
@@robh3518 You too bro :)