Mr. White would you debate him? We have been praying for him for a long time and it would be great to see how he responds to the gospel on point. Would you?
I'm glad Dr. White is giving a meaningful critique of Peterson's presuppositions and not just falling love with the compelling rhetoric that has many elements of truth in it.
Jordan Peterson has a lot to say that's good, but he's a lost sinner, like the rest of us. It makes me sad that he doesn't see that. I admire him greatly, but I recognize his message has flaws, has limits to its correctness. May God have mercy on him and reveal himself to him.
I agree that Jordan Peterson can only be complete through Christ. Considering that most Professors are atheist, I personally think he is on track for greater works in Christ. Peterson has stood strong against the status quo. He needs our prayer.
I find it so interesting that we see men like Peterson and wish him to be saved in a manner unlike others. Is this our consistency of Reformed thinking-soteriology coming out or is it something else. I don't see it as just a love for sinners, for I myself see a certain perplexity in how one like Peterson can have so much wisdom in regards to worldview, etc, without Christ in him. It caused me feel a certain pricking of my spiritual ears. 🤔
@@bridegroomministries1212 I'm a little confused by the phrase , "...in a manner unlike all the others". How is wanting him to be saved "unlike all the others"? Can you clarify?
@@argerm57 Yes, it's the manner by which we voice our wish-with great zeal for his salvation unlike the lack therof for those who do not display such unique qualities. For instance, I see little interest in the salvation of caustically liberal-unbelieving speakers. Of course by principle, we wish all to be saved, but I see quite often, Reformed people wondering various things: such as is he being wooed by the Spirit.?How can he speak with such brilliance if it weren't that The father wishes him to be given to the Son, for salvation?. And postings of the things he has said about Christ. I guess its just an interest of many. Manner is just a reference to the expressions and tenor of many on this situation. SImply put, its unique and interesting. I think its GOOD
I am grateful for your input I do believe God is working in Dr. Peterson and he is in a process as we all are I’m just grateful for how God is using him and the world is listening. You really see his journey when you listen to his biblical series🌹I do pray for him and it would be good for us to extend grace as well as prayer for him
I thoroughly enjoy listening to both Drs. James White and Jordan Peterson. And I can honestly say I understand maybe 40% of what both say. I've had "ah hah" moments with Peterson, cried with him even. But he was asked once if he was a prophet. He didn't answer "no." He said something like "I can't say." That perked my ears a bit. But I do believe he's searching for the Truth is all he does.
Jesus wasn't just some sweet dude who got nailed to a cross by some brutes. He could've destroyed Rome and Jerusalem at His will. But He chose to do the Father's will, and His Father's will is to save His elect, so Jesus gave His life over to the Romans and the jews in order to fulfill the Father's will.
Jordan is great at examining the fruits of traditionally Christian-based societal structures. I see the war within him when he tries to justify the obvious axiomatic truths of Scripture through a secular lens, and he’s not ashamed to admit it. God is doing a unique, and very public work in him. I pray for his conversion.
Watch the more recent Peterson video where he breaks down in tears. He says "I can't believe, that I believe in the divinity of Jesus but it's undeniable". His daughter has publicly stated that she is trying to work out her salvation. His wife is a believer. He is an honest, sincere man that is attempting to live out his principles and evolving beliefs in public. Not to mention his lectures have helped a lot of people. White is correct in the critique of this particular lecture. In my humble opinion.
@@GeorgeWKush-tl5do Peterson definitely believes in God. His mind works in pretty unique way. He's also the atheist whisperer and he gets through to them like no one I've seen w/ his unique way of thinking and putting things.
Dear Mr. White, im reading your book 'What every Christian needs to know about the Qur' an' and i felt the urge to thank you. The book is of great help, so thank you for explaining it in such an understandable manner! :)
This was actually the first video of his I had watched and though I do greatly disagree with him on many crucial points, I do find his work to be indispensable in our time and culture.
Interesting to look back on videos like this when Jordan was seeking to know God and see how many of the church didn't encourage him but criticized every little thing he said. Today, he considers himself to be a Christian and his understanding has changed dramatically. I think this is a good learning lesson in patience.
I wasn't impressed w/ the way many Christians just criticized and picked Jordan apart, rather than see the wonderful work that Jordan was doing for the kingdom. He was bringing more atheists to want to read the bible and back to church than church leaders were. Belief in God doesn't always start w/ turning the sinner's prayer into a magic mantra, or catechism classes. God can take us all sorts of interesting routes, using a unique man like Peterson. God gave Jordan his unique way of thinking, which has spoken to and reached so many, esp. atheists and bitter and directionless young men.
Jordan Peterson is preaching from the book of Ecclesiastes but he never makes it to chapter 12:13-14 where the purpose of life is established and everything has meaning.
I tend to cut Jordan some slack. I think he is a man under the pressure of the Holy Spirit who is struggling through it. I don't expect him to have solid theological understanding at this point. I pray that he will be drug into the Kingdom at length.
I think Peterson has a very good evaluation of what observing the world without a savior is. Because he is exactly that. He cries out into the sky for a savior because he KNOWS God is there. He has the inner workings of Romans 1:19-20. But he just isn't fully sending his commitment to Christ, even though he's heard the Word. I think God's word is trickling through his hardness like acid. It'll take a while, but I believe we'll see Jordan come out and be saved. I pray for him.
I grew up in the 70s and 80s during the start of bussing and in preclusion to the current narrative in regards to racism. In fact, I was the one oppressed. I was beaten senseless because a "white guy" named Tim, slapped a black kids sister. I guess they figure we all look alike. And I was often attacked and beaten, even had a dozen or so blacks attack me and my friends because we were downtown at a skateboard bowl. They used rocks and bottles ! We had done zero to invite their wrath. Nothing! The point is that we are all at various stages in life or our ancestors before as well, able to point out and complain under oppression. I have spoken out about this issue, CRT etc, on my website and preaching and been targeted as a racist. Even if looking in the recent past 1860s and after, my great grandfather came straight from Galicia, 1860 from Spain to Tampa Bay, Ybor City and our family helped slaves that had runaway as well as supporting the Seminole Indians here to harbor and adopt them. This means nothing it seems to our current CRT black lives matter opponents. I'm white (actually I am Hispanic) and that's all they care about. I get no credit for doing good and no sympathy for the suffering I have endured. My wife even was terribly treated as a migrant worker. Yup, white. The point is that unless we maintain a consistent epistemology that is derived from Scripture, we can make no sense of anything. All that happened to me, my Mary and anyone, is indeed in the Sovereign control of our blessed Father. I thank him for it all and that His grace makes me like Him. Not complaining but rather knowing that God's plan is perfect. Not one tear or pain or assault - not one molecule, is without meaning. If not for the teaching of James and the Spirit in me, I'd be angry and evil and embracing all this trash. (CRT). INSTEAD let us Glorify GOD , and learn the truth about these things. Hateful and spiteful is not a consecrated manner.
After listening to jordan Peterson's book "the 12 rules for life" I realized that after .making 12 rules for life he forgot the most important rule of all "unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God " Also all 12 rules just seemed like common sense to me. One rule is "tell the truth " Me- no duh. Another rule "Treat yourself as if you are responsible for taking care of yourself. Me- no duh. It was all just common sense but with no need for regeneration by the holy spirit.
His critics on here are flawing him for things he never claims to be. He is not a pastor, preacher, theologian, a Christian, or any of those things. He is a college professor who is calling on young people to take ownership of their outcomes.
Peterson us on his way home. Don’t be a stumbling stone…. Peterson’s point is that in this life you are going to suffer, he is not trying explain Christianity.
Paul preached Jesus on the Cross. “but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling-block, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
Lord have mercy on Dr. Peterson. It pains me to see him down there on that stage, parading around in his manic neuroses as those onlookers grin to themselves. Peterson’s a deeply unwell man, and I think everyone in that room understands that on some level, but instead of helping him, they just smile at how entertaining his pains appear to them. It’s awful. If Jordon Peterson doesn’t find Christ soon, I don’t know how much longer he’ll survive in this world. Lord have mercy. Please reveal Yourself to Dr. Peterson.
There isnt value without purpose, there isnt purpose without God. So even though he is stating some truths, he has no ultimate justification for them. If we Christian's love and care for people like we say we do and like Christ did, then we should care about their eternal destinies.. so we are compelled to shed this "light" because there is a foundational purpose behind it which is calling people to redemption in Christ Jesus.
Another case of the infinite defined by the finite Always hyper focused on the narrow dogmatic periphery, instead of quite practice quite contemplation of the grand narrative. Jordan helps me affirms my faith in Christ, you, help dampen them. God Bless Jordan Peterson
I'm not sure about that. I listen to him alot...and I listen to Dr. White at least as much if not more....I wonder if this man is seeking. Does anyone have evidence to refute otherwise or convince of testimony?
@@hazeltyler89 Maybe he's searching, maybe he don't want to find the answer. God only knows, but he is no Christian. The reason why I know this is that whenever he is put on the spot: "Do you believe in the literal, historical resurrection of Christ" he is always very evasive with his answers: He refuses to give a simple yes or no, but that's ok, because anything less than an unqualified yes means that you're not a Christian. I recommend you search for videos with "Jordan Peterson on the resurrection" Again, I'm not saying that I dislike him, I'm just saying that his fascination with the Bible should *not* be confused with actual Christian faith. There is a lot of liberal theologians out there who finds a lot of value in the Bible, without actually believing any of it.
It is clear that in the Bible the Devil himself finds telling a lie to be something practical and useful for "his"(the Devil)purposes. "Usefulness or practicality" is not a good measure for the validity of "Truth". Anyone, like Peterson, who tells you otherwise is clearly either the devil himself or working out of a devilish spirit or teachings. Peterson is not teaching Christ or His teachings, therefore he is against Him(Matthew 12:30). Prove me otherwise and I'll change my mind. He seems to be a "lukewarm" "Preacher". But Peterson also claims not to be against Christ and His teachings...so as Christ Himself said: "If they are not against us then they are for us...", therefore I won't "judge" the likes of Peterson since in his case only God knows the heart of people that thinks like him.
I have been listening to Peterson for quite some time now, however, when he makes statements like "you should have a goal", he never specifically addresses (nor can he defend) what that ought to be, existentially speaking. Only through the Judeo-Christian worldview as literal fact (and not an archetypal mythology we can only learn lessons from) can we ever get a true definition of what we ought and ought not be aiming towards.
"He's a bit salty" James R White, I've been listening to and watching you for decades and you're not "a bit salty" from time to time?? Lol FYI I was informed by a brother in the Lord who knows Dr. Peterson that he shared the gospel with him after his illness last year and he received it. So what ever that's worth... just an FYI. Time will tell.
While in a micro cosmetic view pertaining to this video only you make some salient points regarding Christ and the resurrection (all true); I submit your lack time watching Peterson's lectures in total have blurred the point and context. Peterson is a lecturer in liberal academic setting trying to develop the concept of meta-stories running through human history. If you had the leisure to listen you would have recognized the biblical narrative being transmitted throughout history and cultures even where there is no special revelation like in the case of ancient Israel. You would then realize that he has captured the absolute essence of the statement by God that "I have revealed my laws, counsels and etc in the heavens and on earth so that men are without excuse..." (Paraphrased) Peterson captures these cross cultural meta narratives revealing not that the Christ story reflects a human creation or metaphor, but that God's story is carried through history (alive) making its fulfillment in Christ even more believable, natural and able for the human mind predisposed to a knowledge of God to accept. I think in this case two people can be right as the same message is being approached from opposite ends. Just saying.
Does your newly adopted view of eschatology allow for a removing of the Holy Spirit? The Restrainer. I thought things will get better with the Post Millennial view or am I totally off on what you believe?
I am very appreciative of Dr. Peterson. He's a very refreshing voice of reason, and respects christian culture. But, for someone who claims to be careful in speech and loves the truth epitomized in the Logos, he carelessly abuses it by blaspheming His name.
im just a layman and average citizen but i think we can agree on peterson on to his some truthful confession and various academic works, but he's not even train in theology, oftentimes he indirectly and unintentionally uses some christian Beliefs and interpret it into secular lens of philosophizing the world, which is dangerous and concerning together with the fact that it negates the message and deplete the preservation of the precious exegetical understanding of some Christian beliefs. people can be sincere to what they're doing but that is not the valid argument to Adhere and listen to his secularistic groundless scholarship to be an authoritative way of looking of how should we perceive our reality which i firmly and boldly and arrogantly proclaim that we can only found that in the proper understanding of the Christian worldview.
@From The Darkness To The Light Very true!! I bought his book "12 Rules for Life" It's just meandering with no direction, gave up after a couple of chapters. Probably its nothing wrong with book, it's something do with me.
@@supersmart671 I tried to understand him but he babbles and makes no sense. He says 100 words in what could be said in 5 and he still doesn't reach the point. I think he is a symptom of today, with all the madness people are trying to make meaning of it and Justin promises much but offers little. There are many others to listen to who actually make sense where we come away feeling we have learned something. I liken Justin Peterson to the story of The Emperor's New Clothes, there is nothing there when all the psycho babble is taken away.
@9:40 ...”that it’s God’s intention and God’s purpose that His people will suffer.” No! IN SPITE OF a world of suffering due to the fall, it’s His purpose and intention to be there suffering along with His people through Jesus Christ.
Why can't Christians understand that light has no value without darkness, and Joy can't be measured without oppression. Peterson is not a preacher on the platform of the gospel so you can't critique him from a position that would have no value if what he is expounding on, was not true. The Human condition becomes worse the more you seek Justice for yourself.
I used to watch a lot of JBP but I slowly began to realize that his thinking is actually very evil. His ideas often mirror fascism, he denies the resurrection of Jesus but prefers being called a Christian, and he has a deep history with psychedelic drugs like psilocybin. His message is destructive to the Gospel, not helpful. People that follow him are impossible to convince that the Bible is more than myth.
I guess your message Needs to be piggybacked on his to get listeners or viewers. I have an idea, instead of Criticizing him and his message, why don't you polish yours up and try spreading that? Shouldn't Preachers be Spreading the Word of God and not concentrating on the Popularity and Success of a Single Man trying his best to Help heal wounded hearts and souls in the Only way he knows, not to help him but to discredit him? Seems very unChristian to me. Make Your Message one that spreads Hope and Faith in the Hearts of mankind and maybe you will increase your flock to the size of his. Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them. Dr. Peterson's Instructions to people who suffer? His words are like the words of Jesus to the Cripple when he said "Pick up thy bed and Walk". maybe You should get to know Jesus? Try reading and digesting John 5 and Luke 11-12. "Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering." When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, They wanted to trap him into saying something they could use against him. Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. The time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all. Of course, I am not comparing Dr. Peterson to Jesus, I am comparing You to those Pharisees, that's all. I have to ask you this, can Good be done which is not ordained by God? When Jesus walked this Earth, did the Religious Zealots whose Faith had been revealed by his Father, call him a Prophet and recognize him by his works? They did not. So it is no surprise that people will find fault with anyone doing any good at all which does not come about in some way which they approve of, but none of us have the Perfect way within us to share with others, when we try, we become the blind leading the blind.
Moralising is not the Gospel. James White is right to warn about Justin P. Many professing Christian's follow him and are convinced he is a Christian, he's not and his message will lead people away from Jesus not draw them closer. Colossians 2:8.
It is ok. I m not offended. My first comment "calvinism is gnostic too" based on my own research, after meeting with calvinistic people and the calvinistic theology. Questions like: what makes you think that way? Or what are the gnostic elements in Calvinism?.... or...or - questions would be more productive! But you can be yourself and come up with something. James white is a good example: jumps right on the person, if he can not lecture than he makes fun of his "opponents" and of course disables the comments.
Peterson needs a Saviour. Not more admirerers
I hate to admit it Given Peterson's Brilliance But he subscribed to a Wishy Washy Cotton Candy Christianity.
If only the Lord will reveal himself to him!
One of the best takes on Peterson so far.
Let us not expect Jordan Peterson to preach the Gospel he is a political philosopher nothing more
Psychologist.
Very true!!
I'm with you buddy
ruclips.net/video/RIB05YeMiW8/видео.html Peterson about his view of the reality or Jesus‘ resurrection and heaven. Maybe interesting
He reminds me of the pilgrims progress. Mr worldly wisdom. But that's not enough to help the soul
That was the first book I read when I was a kid, my favorite fiction book
@@josephbuck9080but it’s an allegory of complete truth.
Mr. White would you debate him? We have been praying for him for a long time and it would be great to see how he responds to the gospel on point. Would you?
I would pay to see that
@@khais2374 Cool
@@khais2374 i would pray* that it be the will of God for us to one day see that
I would fly out to see that. Mr. White always brings the gospel into his debates.
You're not actually expecting an answer are you?
I'm glad Dr. White is giving a meaningful critique of Peterson's presuppositions and not just falling love with the compelling rhetoric that has many elements of truth in it.
Jordan Peterson has a lot to say that's good, but he's a lost sinner, like the rest of us. It makes me sad that he doesn't see that. I admire him greatly, but I recognize his message has flaws, has limits to its correctness.
May God have mercy on him and reveal himself to him.
I'm not a lost sinner. I know Jesus or rather He knows me
I agree that Jordan Peterson can only be complete through Christ.
Considering that most Professors are atheist, I personally think he is on track for greater works in Christ.
Peterson has stood strong against the status quo. He needs our prayer.
I find it so interesting that we see men like Peterson and wish him to be saved in a manner unlike others. Is this our consistency of Reformed thinking-soteriology coming out or is it something else. I don't see it as just a love for sinners, for I myself see a certain perplexity in how one like Peterson can have so much wisdom in regards to worldview, etc, without Christ in him. It caused me feel a certain pricking of my spiritual ears. 🤔
@@bridegroomministries1212 I'm a little confused by the phrase , "...in a manner unlike all the others". How is wanting him to be saved "unlike all the others"? Can you clarify?
@@argerm57 Yes, it's the manner by which we voice our wish-with great zeal for his salvation unlike the lack therof for those who do not display such unique qualities. For instance, I see little interest in the salvation of caustically liberal-unbelieving speakers. Of course by principle, we wish all to be saved, but I see quite often, Reformed people wondering various things: such as is he being wooed by the Spirit.?How can he speak with such brilliance if it weren't that The father wishes him to be given to the Son, for salvation?. And postings of the things he has said about Christ. I guess its just an interest of many. Manner is just a reference to the expressions and tenor of many on this situation. SImply put, its unique and interesting. I think its GOOD
I am grateful for your input I do believe God is working in Dr. Peterson and he is in a process as we all are I’m just grateful for how God is using him and the world is listening. You really see his journey when you listen to his biblical series🌹I do pray for him and it would be good for us to extend grace as well as prayer for him
I thoroughly enjoy listening to both Drs. James White and Jordan Peterson. And I can honestly say I understand maybe 40% of what both say. I've had "ah hah" moments with Peterson, cried with him even. But he was asked once if he was a prophet. He didn't answer "no." He said something like "I can't say." That perked my ears a bit. But I do believe he's searching for the Truth is all he does.
Jesus wasn't just some sweet dude who got nailed to a cross by some brutes. He could've destroyed Rome and Jerusalem at His will. But He chose to do the Father's will, and His Father's will is to save His elect, so Jesus gave His life over to the Romans and the jews in order to fulfill the Father's will.
Jordan is great at examining the fruits of traditionally Christian-based societal structures. I see the war within him when he tries to justify the obvious axiomatic truths of Scripture through a secular lens, and he’s not ashamed to admit it. God is doing a unique, and very public work in him. I pray for his conversion.
Watch the more recent Peterson video where he breaks down in tears. He says "I can't believe, that I believe in the divinity of Jesus but it's undeniable". His daughter has publicly stated that she is trying to work out her salvation. His wife is a believer. He is an honest, sincere man that is attempting to live out his principles and evolving beliefs in public. Not to mention his lectures have helped a lot of people. White is correct in the critique of this particular lecture. In my humble opinion.
Problem is he believes in the idea of God. Not God.
@@GeorgeWKush-tl5do Peterson definitely believes in God. His mind works in pretty unique way. He's also the atheist whisperer and he gets through to them like no one I've seen w/ his unique way of thinking and putting things.
Dear Mr. White, im reading your book 'What every Christian needs to know about the Qur' an' and i felt the urge to thank you. The book is of great help, so thank you for explaining it in such an understandable manner! :)
As much as I like Peterson, he cherry picks the Bible to use it to support his points. I find his pseudo- religious, secular and evolutionary
Right on
Young earth is true
Evolution is a fact of biology
@@deus_vult8111: I see you’re still taking the blue pills!
Jordan B. Peterson is actually a Jungian (Gnostic Carl Jung).
Thanks for snipping this clip from the show; I really appreciate it!
This was actually the first video of his I had watched and though I do greatly disagree with him on many crucial points, I do find his work to be indispensable in our time and culture.
just saw this..thanks for addressing this guys teaching/thinking.
Interesting to look back on videos like this when Jordan was seeking to know God and see how many of the church didn't encourage him but criticized every little thing he said. Today, he considers himself to be a Christian and his understanding has changed dramatically. I think this is a good learning lesson in patience.
I wasn't impressed w/ the way many Christians just criticized and picked Jordan apart, rather than see the wonderful work that Jordan was doing for the kingdom. He was bringing more atheists to want to read the bible and back to church than church leaders were. Belief in God doesn't always start w/ turning the sinner's prayer into a magic mantra, or catechism classes. God can take us all sorts of interesting routes, using a unique man like Peterson. God gave Jordan his unique way of thinking, which has spoken to and reached so many, esp. atheists and bitter and directionless young men.
I like that you pulled this clip to talk about
My hope is that he finds the fullness of his understanding through Salvation.
Jordan Peterson is preaching from the book of Ecclesiastes but he never makes it to chapter 12:13-14 where the purpose of life is established and everything has meaning.
I love Jordan Peterson
Thank you James
I tend to cut Jordan some slack. I think he is a man under the pressure of the Holy Spirit who is struggling through it. I don't expect him to have solid theological understanding at this point. I pray that he will be drug into the Kingdom at length.
I think Peterson has a very good evaluation of what observing the world without a savior is. Because he is exactly that. He cries out into the sky for a savior because he KNOWS God is there. He has the inner workings of Romans 1:19-20. But he just isn't fully sending his commitment to Christ, even though he's heard the Word. I think God's word is trickling through his hardness like acid. It'll take a while, but I believe we'll see Jordan come out and be saved. I pray for him.
He knows there is Truth but he’s still searching
I grew up in the 70s and 80s during the start of bussing and in preclusion to the current narrative in regards to racism. In fact, I was the one oppressed. I was beaten senseless because a "white guy" named Tim, slapped a black kids sister. I guess they figure we all look alike. And I was often attacked and beaten, even had a dozen or so blacks attack me and my friends because we were downtown at a skateboard bowl. They used rocks and bottles ! We had done zero to invite their wrath. Nothing!
The point is that we are all at various stages in life or our ancestors before as well, able to point out and complain under oppression.
I have spoken out about this issue, CRT etc, on my website and preaching and been targeted as a racist. Even if looking in the recent past 1860s and after, my great grandfather came straight from Galicia, 1860 from Spain to Tampa Bay, Ybor City and our family helped slaves that had runaway as well as supporting the Seminole Indians here to harbor and adopt them. This means nothing it seems to our current CRT black lives matter opponents. I'm white (actually I am Hispanic) and that's all they care about. I get no credit for doing good and no sympathy for the suffering I have endured. My wife even was terribly treated as a migrant worker. Yup, white.
The point is that unless we maintain a consistent epistemology that is derived from Scripture, we can make no sense of anything. All that happened to me, my Mary and anyone, is indeed in the Sovereign control of our blessed Father. I thank him for it all and that His grace makes me like Him. Not complaining but rather knowing that God's plan is perfect. Not one tear or pain or assault - not one molecule, is without meaning.
If not for the teaching of James and the Spirit in me, I'd be angry and evil and embracing all this trash. (CRT). INSTEAD let us Glorify GOD , and learn the truth about these things. Hateful and spiteful is not a consecrated manner.
After listening to jordan Peterson's book "the 12 rules for life" I realized that after .making 12 rules for life he forgot the most important rule of all "unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God "
Also all 12 rules just seemed like common sense to me.
One rule is "tell the truth "
Me- no duh.
Another rule
"Treat yourself as if you are responsible for taking care of yourself.
Me- no duh.
It was all just common sense but with no need for regeneration by the holy spirit.
His critics on here are flawing him for things he never claims to be. He is not a pastor, preacher, theologian, a Christian, or any of those things. He is a college professor who is calling on young people to take ownership of their outcomes.
Which is a great call to action, but on what basis? And to what outcome?
@@bobpolo2964 betterment of society on earth
@Rodrick Evans As opposed to what? Being a victim or expecting others to come rescue you.
Peterson us on his way home. Don’t be a stumbling stone….
Peterson’s point is that in this life you are going to suffer, he is not trying explain Christianity.
Paul preached Jesus on the Cross.
“but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling-block, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”
1 Corinthians 1:23-25
We'd all to JP get saved, offer to debate or rather share thoughts with him James white please!! JP could do so much more if he knew Jesus
Lord have mercy on Dr. Peterson. It pains me to see him down there on that stage, parading around in his manic neuroses as those onlookers grin to themselves. Peterson’s a deeply unwell man, and I think everyone in that room understands that on some level, but instead of helping him, they just smile at how entertaining his pains appear to them. It’s awful. If Jordon Peterson doesn’t find Christ soon, I don’t know how much longer he’ll survive in this world. Lord have mercy. Please reveal Yourself to Dr. Peterson.
There isnt value without purpose, there isnt purpose without God. So even though he is stating some truths, he has no ultimate justification for them. If we Christian's love and care for people like we say we do and like Christ did, then we should care about their eternal destinies.. so we are compelled to shed this "light" because there is a foundational purpose behind it which is calling people to redemption in Christ Jesus.
Another case of the infinite defined by the finite
Always hyper focused on the narrow dogmatic periphery, instead of quite practice quite contemplation of the grand narrative.
Jordan helps me affirms my faith in Christ, you, help dampen them.
God Bless Jordan Peterson
PJ - as much as I like his frankness, is not a Christian. For him, the Bible is mythology: Useful stories, but nothing real.
I'm not sure about that. I listen to him alot...and I listen to Dr. White at least as much if not more....I wonder if this man is seeking. Does anyone have evidence to refute otherwise or convince of testimony?
@@hazeltyler89 Maybe he's searching, maybe he don't want to find the answer. God only knows, but he is no Christian. The reason why I know this is that whenever he is put on the spot: "Do you believe in the literal, historical resurrection of Christ" he is always very evasive with his answers: He refuses to give a simple yes or no, but that's ok, because anything less than an unqualified yes means that you're not a Christian.
I recommend you search for videos with "Jordan Peterson on the resurrection"
Again, I'm not saying that I dislike him, I'm just saying that his fascination with the Bible should *not* be confused with actual Christian faith. There is a lot of liberal theologians out there who finds a lot of value in the Bible, without actually believing any of it.
It is clear that in the Bible the Devil himself finds telling a lie to be something practical and useful for "his"(the Devil)purposes. "Usefulness or practicality" is not a good measure for the validity of "Truth". Anyone, like Peterson, who tells you otherwise is clearly either the devil himself or working out of a devilish spirit or teachings.
Peterson is not teaching Christ or His teachings, therefore he is against Him(Matthew 12:30). Prove me otherwise and I'll change my mind. He seems to be a "lukewarm" "Preacher".
But Peterson also claims not to be against Christ and His teachings...so as Christ Himself said: "If they are not against us then they are for us...", therefore I won't "judge" the likes of Peterson since in his case only God knows the heart of people that thinks like him.
Satan never use full lies, only half truths. He lowers your guard by telling you the truth, and then when you think its safe, he feeds you the lie.
Peterson does not say it is not real, he say is a myth and some myths are more real than the computer keyboard in front of you.
Love ya White!
J.P would never fall for Calvinism... Hahaha
If Jordan told me that after my dad died I would have slapped him.
I have been listening to Peterson for quite some time now, however, when he makes statements like "you should have a goal", he never specifically addresses (nor can he defend) what that ought to be, existentially speaking. Only through the Judeo-Christian worldview as literal fact (and not an archetypal mythology we can only learn lessons from) can we ever get a true definition of what we ought and ought not be aiming towards.
"He's a bit salty"
James R White, I've been listening to and watching you for decades and you're not "a bit salty" from time to time??
Lol
FYI I was informed by a brother in the Lord who knows Dr. Peterson that he shared the gospel with him after his illness last year and he received it. So what ever that's worth... just an FYI. Time will tell.
Wow, that's great to know. Praise God. There's the whole thing lately about him crying while discussing Jesus.
James white is verrrry salty. Especially towards people who get more attention than him.
While in a micro cosmetic view pertaining to this video only you make some salient points regarding Christ and the resurrection (all true); I submit your lack time watching Peterson's lectures in total have blurred the point and context. Peterson is a lecturer in liberal academic setting trying to develop the concept of meta-stories running through human history. If you had the leisure to listen you would have recognized the biblical narrative being transmitted throughout history and cultures even where there is no special revelation like in the case of ancient Israel. You would then realize that he has captured the absolute essence of the statement by God that "I have revealed my laws, counsels and etc in the heavens and on earth so that men are without excuse..." (Paraphrased) Peterson captures these cross cultural meta narratives revealing not that the Christ story reflects a human creation or metaphor, but that God's story is carried through history (alive) making its fulfillment in Christ even more believable, natural and able for the human mind predisposed to a knowledge of God to accept.
I think in this case two people can be right as the same message is being approached from opposite ends. Just saying.
Does your newly adopted view of eschatology allow for a removing of the Holy Spirit? The Restrainer. I thought things will get better with the Post Millennial view or am I totally off on what you believe?
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I am very appreciative of Dr. Peterson. He's a very refreshing voice of reason, and respects christian culture. But, for someone who claims to be careful in speech and loves the truth epitomized in the Logos, he carelessly abuses it by blaspheming His name.
im just a layman and average citizen but i think we can agree on peterson on to his some truthful confession and various academic works, but he's not even train in theology, oftentimes he indirectly and unintentionally uses some christian Beliefs and interpret it into secular lens of philosophizing the world, which is dangerous and concerning together with the fact that it negates the message and deplete the preservation of the precious exegetical understanding of some Christian beliefs. people can be sincere to what they're doing but that is not the valid argument to Adhere and listen to his secularistic groundless scholarship to be an authoritative way of looking of how should we perceive our reality which i firmly and boldly and arrogantly proclaim that we can only found that in the proper understanding of the Christian worldview.
Is this an official or fan channel?
it’s a fan channel
Take up your cross is a Biblical phrase.
I don’t think that’s taking God’s name in vain.
In vain would be if you dont associate power with the name..or if you use the name for personal gain
I find JP to be confusing. I find it hard to understand what he is trying to get at.
@From The Darkness To The Light Very true!! I bought his book "12 Rules for Life" It's just meandering with no direction, gave up after a couple of chapters. Probably its nothing wrong with book, it's something do with me.
@@supersmart671 I tried to understand him but he babbles and makes no sense. He says 100 words in what could be said in 5 and he still doesn't reach the point.
I think he is a symptom of today, with all the madness people are trying to make meaning of it and Justin promises much but offers little.
There are many others to listen to who actually make sense where we come away feeling we have learned something.
I liken Justin Peterson to the story of The Emperor's New Clothes, there is nothing there when all the psycho babble is taken away.
Pretty weird to see James wearing a North West University shirt
I noted that also🇿🇦😂
He has various NWU embroidered shirts! Lekker PUKKE!
@9:40 ...”that it’s God’s intention and God’s purpose that His people will suffer.” No! IN SPITE OF a world of suffering due to the fall, it’s His purpose and intention to be there suffering along with His people through Jesus Christ.
He said it because he is a Christian . He is being as wize as a serpent. He is actually a believer in Him.
I have wondered that too
Peterson is a moralist-I don’t understand his popularity. I can never follow his thoughts and direction. What is the point?
Why can't Christians understand that light has no value without darkness, and Joy can't be measured without oppression. Peterson is not a preacher on the platform of the gospel so you can't critique him from a position that would have no value if what he is expounding on, was not true. The Human condition becomes worse the more you seek Justice for yourself.
Darkness can't exist without light
So who goes to Peterson for theological precision? Just been what is true and reject the dross.
Huh?
I used to watch a lot of JBP but I slowly began to realize that his thinking is actually very evil. His ideas often mirror fascism, he denies the resurrection of Jesus but prefers being called a Christian, and he has a deep history with psychedelic drugs like psilocybin. His message is destructive to the Gospel, not helpful. People that follow him are impossible to convince that the Bible is more than myth.
Peterson is a sellout.
Your comment displays that you’re a poop head.
@@KamalaKackles agree lol
Talk to be disingenuous
I really don't get what Peterson is saying. Just a verbal salad.. too many words with little sense.
Needs a Saviour not more audience. Pathetic.
I guess your message Needs to be piggybacked on his to get listeners or viewers. I have an idea, instead of Criticizing him and his message, why don't you polish yours up and try spreading that?
Shouldn't Preachers be Spreading the Word of God and not concentrating on the Popularity and Success of a Single Man trying his best to Help heal wounded hearts and souls in the Only way he knows, not to help him but to discredit him?
Seems very unChristian to me.
Make Your Message one that spreads Hope and Faith in the Hearts of mankind and maybe you will increase your flock to the size of his.
Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.
Dr. Peterson's Instructions to people who suffer?
His words are like the words of Jesus to the Cripple when he said "Pick up thy bed and Walk".
maybe You should get to know Jesus?
Try reading and digesting John 5 and Luke 11-12.
"Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."
When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
They wanted to trap him into saying something they could use against him.
Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
The time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all.
Of course, I am not comparing Dr. Peterson to Jesus, I am comparing You to those Pharisees, that's all.
I have to ask you this, can Good be done which is not ordained by God?
When Jesus walked this Earth, did the Religious Zealots whose Faith had been revealed by his Father, call him a Prophet and recognize him by his works? They did not. So it is no surprise that people will find fault with anyone doing any good at all which does not come about in some way which they approve of, but none of us have the Perfect way within us to share with others, when we try, we become the blind leading the blind.
Moralising is not the Gospel. James White is right to warn about Justin P. Many professing Christian's follow him and are convinced he is a Christian, he's not and his message will lead people away from Jesus not draw them closer.
Colossians 2:8.
Calvinism is gnostic too
How
FrankThe2nd SonOf1st The sky is green
@@SkinwalkrDisrespectr that is a typical calvinist answer! If is not in text, let's just add something to it...."sky is green" = 5 point tulip
FrankThe2nd SonOf1st oh sorry I thought we were throwing out ignorant opinions my bad
It is ok. I m not offended. My first comment "calvinism is gnostic too" based on my own research, after meeting with calvinistic people and the calvinistic theology. Questions like: what makes you think that way? Or what are the gnostic elements in Calvinism?.... or...or - questions would be more productive! But you can be yourself and come up with something.
James white is a good example: jumps right on the person, if he can not lecture than he makes fun of his "opponents" and of course disables the comments.