Breaking alliances will be great for the game could not agree more! Also that leadership burnout take was right on point I know my leadership team is constantly trying to hold things together even being on the winning side for the majority of the time since the games been out.
If contacts can be done in Duo or trio, and count for each other so 10 are done in same time for example if 2 players do it together in same time, party and area, or 15 for 3 players, might help make it more of group activity and less time consuming.
I agree with you on field bosses to dismantle alliance, can't agree on Siege, on an active server it's an alliance against 2-4 alliances, so 200 vs 400-800, I really can't imagine to make it defendable.
You ever think PVP focused MMOS just suck and don’t retain players at all boss? We’re all getting older and most of us are tired of grinding every Asian mmo that comes out lol. Respect, but I think people are just done with these types of games.
OMFG what an absolute BASED take on TnL pvp in its entirety. Thank god you understand this at its core level and are speaking up in the way you just did. Thank you so much blue and i can only pray they see this and listen. I dont want to PVE all day, i only do PVE so i can PVP. Let me PVP! I dont even like challenging PVE, so i only do contracts, t1 and abyssal tokens because i dont have to pay attention and i can safe my sweating for PVP. Conflict isnt fun atm because of alliances, not because its 1vX. We like 1vX (guilds) epic scale combat, its just ruined by alliances and thats what you should fix. Not remove 1vX (guilds) from the game. And also, because the only objective during it is to kill the boss but if u do, the content ends.... Please dont do this conflict boss change AGS
Ngl I like the dungeon toxicity. I asked the tank to stop pulling unnecessary mobs in Island of Terror. He typed “Try to dodge this!!!” Then they kicked me from the group 😂😂😂
i dont see a problem with instanced GvG bosses....ESPECIALLY for smaller guilds. where they could barely make it to the boss before dying, at least now they have a fighting chance
Breaking alliance ! I'm in. As a part of a leading alliance, i can see that, even on an healthy server, only other big alliance show up and nobody else ... Less macro, more micro, break alliance :D
100% Running Rebellion and having to worry about alliance with things being crap and so many snakes and rats on the game making it even more difficult is a nightmare. Half my issue was needing to find an additional 2 other guilds for an alliance. Your members don't care the effort that goes into it even if you win, and most people have 0 politics ability and take politics or propaganda way too serious. TnL systems and player base is not complex enough or those kinds of politics with the top ranked guilds zerging together and top players trying to just be in the "winning" guilds. There is no motivation from most people to have any kind of pride in your guild and accomplishing it yourself. Most people want the easy hand out, win, and make "money" without competition. Legit is like running a irl job with running a guild with 0 reward most the time. To the point where you stop when you realize its not worth it.
I'll start by saying that I agree with breaking alliances, but there's a lot being missed here. On my server, the top guild did not even need an alliance to control the world bosses most of the time. The issue is that every one of those smaller guilds you imagine will show up to contest the singular big guild... those guilds aren't allied either, they can't differentiate the other small guilds from the big guild. They aren't grouping up to take down the big guy, they are in a huge clusterf*ck and most of the time they are killing other lower guilds because those are the people they can actually kill. The top guild never had any competition, the targeting system prohibits your idea from working the way you seem to imagine it would. Making them 1v1 at least alleviates the targeting issues -- you know who the enemy is because there's only one enemy group, not 5 that you are trying to differentiate between. Otherwise it doesn't feel like 30 v 30 v 30 v 60 like you claim, it just feels like 30 v 200+ and it's just a complete mess. If they want the world pvp to thrive it still needs to be structured, 1v1 at least has potential to work if they can keep the fights a little more balanced. If you're in a smaller or weaker guild, the idea of having a chance and fighting one guild near your power level sounds so much better than vying against a ton of other guilds or a big alliance. It's not necessarily the change I would make, but it still sounds like a big improvement to me. I really enjoy Blue as a content creator but constantly trying to change TNL into the version of BDO he loved most is not the way forward at all. I understand a lot of people didn't like the changes BDO made just before TNL came out, but the devs were also making changes for a reason. The changes may not have been the right ones, but the point is that the devs knew their game was littered with flaws and they knew they needed to change it. You can't try to tell TNL that its path to success is to become a past version of BDO or that they should go take notes from a game that was dying (even before the devs made changes to kill it quicker).
honestly this game is almost dead and the changes they will eventually make about the zerg factor are way too late now. The eclipse abuse and gatekeeping with with big player numbers ruined the game for most of the casualy player, which are the biggest player numbers. To the players who used all those mechanics to their advantage to farm kills for the ranking and gatekeeping at the start, you can congratz yourself, you probably pushed out 50% of the player base out of the game and made them quit.
Your contract idea wouldn’t work. Cuz the mega alliance will just control them. Everything starts with getting rid of alliances cuz they ruin pvp and also friendships.
i think they should make world bosses gvg, but make it 10 guild free for all, not a 1v1, that way alliances cant zerg and smaller guilds still have a chance to get some loot
The problem is that what you’re describing as the problem are all of the built in incentives for people to pay for power instead of indulge in the endless grind - if they fix it, it’s too easy to f2p right up the level of the whales and I don’t think those incentives will ever be given up. In a perfect world, there is no pay for power in this game and they are able to give much more rewarding drops/rewards and exciting content for the more mundane, daily tasks. Until then, they know that the people who want it most will simply pay for it and I don’t think they truly care if the game dies - you can look at their track record, they have a history of making flash in the pan cash grab pay for power games. It’s sad when you consider that this game really is pretty awesome at its foundation
Nightime open world pvp is a terrible idea and would kill the game off even quicker lmfao, bro if someone sneaks me while im fishing or something im literally griefing them and their guild until they quit and then im the 1 that gets banned all bc someone wanted to be annoying. I agree they need some form of it but the whole thing???? Absolutely not bc people will quit, trust me, mmo players are softbacked.
They have already killed the game when they taken away the normal player chance to catch up. People barely stick to the game hoping they will fix the Guild and Alliance system but The game keep f***ing up prioritizing the few P2W players.
If you ADD A QUEUE system for guilds to participate in that is a great idea. If you REMOVE the current conflict bosses you are screwing your players and your pvp. Why not have both? Let's add new systems and not remove old ones that people enjoy.
Tico is amazing, he talks with the ppl, i respect so much the devs who listen the voice of the ppl and takes notes from ppl! TL would amazing if had the PVP system from GuildWars 1 (NOT GW2!)
Breaking alliances don’t mean shit… they would still find a way to work together and slaughter the weak… tired of it… tired of the long run back every time I die
Not sure what people don’t get about games that are monetised this way They will never make it less grinding it’s setup that way so you get angry and just pay to win end of
Ive been defending the game on the front lines for so long, my guild has been staying positive and helped making it fun for each other. Now Tico why are you ruining the game on purpose??? Too many changes to cater to players who don’t even like MMOs. 1v1 war bosses is the worst idea I’ve ever heard
85% of servers are dominated by 1 alliance made up of guilds 1-4. Yeah, changing alliance system would help, but making world bosses 1v1 means those guilds can't just zerg. 1v1 World Bosses is a W, and I feel like your tournament proves that guilds want this.
I'm convinced that people making these F'in games have no idea what it's like to actually play them. Just make 50 man guilds, conflict WB should be GvG no BS alliances.
They are throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, game supports battles of 1000+ players. Instead of gvg they should make the whole boss zone pvp. Current arenas are way to small. Granted needing 250+ people to play the game is hard to maintain. All these free farm guilds aint gonna last long after transfers. They also let them free farm archebosses too way too long. If they switch to gvg, all these 280 guilds are just going to consolidate into the best most active 70 players and just kill it for the other 200 players and still nothing will really change.
no it isn’t, ALL mmos have a declining player base after the game comes out, mmos are grindy games and not everyone commits but server merges are essential so that the steady player base can have the intended experience and not quit becuz their server is deas
@@traviswheeler8885 Tell that to lost ark. Long term MMOs usually don't have to keep paring down servers. I have also found that separate servers like they have, keeps players from playing one another and only contributes to failure.
Yea the people hating on tnl is astounding it's almost like they never played a live service game before. If you don't like the game shut up and move on. Do you keep talking about youre ex constantly after a break up answer is yes but do you keep doing it if you want youre mental to get better no. Stop talking about tnl if you don't like the game. I'm having fun and game is still interesting to me. This is thier first time having a major server issue and yall crying about dead game. The community is fine without ur hate
@@RyuujinJakka-kt7pe Played the game not for me. (targeting and combat are too clunky and I don't like turning into a dog) Otherwise you're reading way too much into it. I am talking about server merges killing games. This is an amazon game, as is lost ark. Lost Ark is not fully dead, it has a small but dedicated player base that still likes to play it but I would hardly call it mainstream. After server merges, a bunch of people leave, which only leads to further server merges. I think lost ark only has 2 or 3 now for the entire western region, when originally they had more than 10. When playing lost ark, we had 2 server merges within 2 weeks. Its a sign your game population is imploding and may continue to do so.
Considering the other videos: bot status is still the same. Also you cant remove the bot thing from target based game. Bots are just too easy to create and hide program-wise
What is killing the PvP in the game is actually them not removing tornado and flash wave from the game. Terribly designed skills that shouldn't exist in a MMO
I mean... I whole heartedly disagree, this game is at its peak when it's 1 Guild vs 1 Guild. I for one am excited for this change. It's crazy seeing people upset about them getting rid of the open world lag fest that was war bosses, at least to me. This will encourage more guilds to attempt War bosses. Like you wanted..... So I don't get the problem. You say this will kill the game, and that's the top "bully" guild perspective, if anything leaving it as is, will kill the game. It's a short sighted reaction to be upset about this.
You're so out of touch. How often do you declare on large guilds boon/riftstones as a small guild? Never? So why would you show up to field bosses which are essentially the same thing.
we don't have enough fps on console ppftt lmfao on performance mode im getting over 60fps which is more than fine for an mmo on performance mode😂, the ps5 and series x aren't the frickin ps4 and Xbox one 🤣 yes pc is way better and far more powerful but even when theres TONS of players on my screen optimized at high player count settings i literally barely stutter 😂😂😂 i also have fiber optic and an actual gaming monitor which could be why, just because people on console doesn't mean they play at 30fps on their TVS 😂 idk ANYONE that even uses a tv over a monitor in 2025
I bought PoE2 yesterday with the infinite update and crashes. I have 4000 lucent saved and dont give a fuck...800 hoirs of laggy glitchy bullshit of a game....goodbye shity game😂😢
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Breaking alliances will be great for the game could not agree more! Also that leadership burnout take was right on point I know my leadership team is constantly trying to hold things together even being on the winning side for the majority of the time since the games been out.
If contacts can be done in Duo or trio, and count for each other so 10 are done in same time for example if 2 players do it together in same time, party and area, or 15 for 3 players, might help make it more of group activity and less time consuming.
thats how swtor did dailys and it was so much more fun and faster
If you do cooking contracts you can wipe 60 in 5 minutes. Doing 10 cooking contracts in 1 day takes no time at all.
I agree with you on field bosses to dismantle alliance, can't agree on Siege, on an active server it's an alliance against 2-4 alliances, so 200 vs 400-800, I really can't imagine to make it defendable.
Honestly, I'd love a Blue Squadron guide on starting a guild and managing it.
Console players do not want keyboard and mouse. That want a fixed targeting system while using a controller
For the dungeons, just merge the 1* into 2* loot rewards. Done. Keep the 4500 currency timegate.
You ever think PVP focused MMOS just suck and don’t retain players at all boss? We’re all getting older and most of us are tired of grinding every Asian mmo that comes out lol. Respect, but I think people are just done with these types of games.
Couldn’t be more wrong that’s some CoD mentality there.
OMFG what an absolute BASED take on TnL pvp in its entirety. Thank god you understand this at its core level and are speaking up in the way you just did. Thank you so much blue and i can only pray they see this and listen.
I dont want to PVE all day, i only do PVE so i can PVP. Let me PVP! I dont even like challenging PVE, so i only do contracts, t1 and abyssal tokens because i dont have to pay attention and i can safe my sweating for PVP.
Conflict isnt fun atm because of alliances, not because its 1vX. We like 1vX (guilds) epic scale combat, its just ruined by alliances and thats what you should fix. Not remove 1vX (guilds) from the game. And also, because the only objective during it is to kill the boss but if u do, the content ends....
Please dont do this conflict boss change AGS
People enjoy contracts because it’s the only thing that you actually get instant progression from easy
It’s meaningful
I agree with everything you said blue.
the game needs a large player base to have large scale pvp
Absolutely!
Ngl I like the dungeon toxicity. I asked the tank to stop pulling unnecessary mobs in Island of Terror. He typed “Try to dodge this!!!” Then they kicked me from the group 😂😂😂
Send this to Tico ASAP!
i dont see a problem with instanced GvG bosses....ESPECIALLY for smaller guilds. where they could barely make it to the boss before dying, at least now they have a fighting chance
Thank, nice!
Your take here Blue is 10,000% spot on. Based
Breaking alliance ! I'm in. As a part of a leading alliance, i can see that, even on an healthy server, only other big alliance show up and nobody else ... Less macro, more micro, break alliance :D
What alliance? I'm in a server with all the big alliances and nobody agrees with this, the only people who see this as good is a 20 person guild.
100% Running Rebellion and having to worry about alliance with things being crap and so many snakes and rats on the game making it even more difficult is a nightmare. Half my issue was needing to find an additional 2 other guilds for an alliance. Your members don't care the effort that goes into it even if you win, and most people have 0 politics ability and take politics or propaganda way too serious. TnL systems and player base is not complex enough or those kinds of politics with the top ranked guilds zerging together and top players trying to just be in the "winning" guilds.
There is no motivation from most people to have any kind of pride in your guild and accomplishing it yourself. Most people want the easy hand out, win, and make "money" without competition.
Legit is like running a irl job with running a guild with 0 reward most the time. To the point where you stop when you realize its not worth it.
I'll start by saying that I agree with breaking alliances, but there's a lot being missed here. On my server, the top guild did not even need an alliance to control the world bosses most of the time. The issue is that every one of those smaller guilds you imagine will show up to contest the singular big guild... those guilds aren't allied either, they can't differentiate the other small guilds from the big guild. They aren't grouping up to take down the big guy, they are in a huge clusterf*ck and most of the time they are killing other lower guilds because those are the people they can actually kill. The top guild never had any competition, the targeting system prohibits your idea from working the way you seem to imagine it would. Making them 1v1 at least alleviates the targeting issues -- you know who the enemy is because there's only one enemy group, not 5 that you are trying to differentiate between. Otherwise it doesn't feel like 30 v 30 v 30 v 60 like you claim, it just feels like 30 v 200+ and it's just a complete mess. If they want the world pvp to thrive it still needs to be structured, 1v1 at least has potential to work if they can keep the fights a little more balanced. If you're in a smaller or weaker guild, the idea of having a chance and fighting one guild near your power level sounds so much better than vying against a ton of other guilds or a big alliance. It's not necessarily the change I would make, but it still sounds like a big improvement to me.
I really enjoy Blue as a content creator but constantly trying to change TNL into the version of BDO he loved most is not the way forward at all. I understand a lot of people didn't like the changes BDO made just before TNL came out, but the devs were also making changes for a reason. The changes may not have been the right ones, but the point is that the devs knew their game was littered with flaws and they knew they needed to change it. You can't try to tell TNL that its path to success is to become a past version of BDO or that they should go take notes from a game that was dying (even before the devs made changes to kill it quicker).
They already killed it when they moved gvg back two hours. You know who wants to competitive gvg at fucking 11pm? No one.
Honestly, I hope they go through with the field boss change so it kills the game so i can finally be free. lmao leading a guild is tiring
honestly this game is almost dead and the changes they will eventually make about the zerg factor are way too late now. The eclipse abuse and gatekeeping with with big player numbers ruined the game for most of the casualy player, which are the biggest player numbers. To the players who used all those mechanics to their advantage to farm kills for the ranking and gatekeeping at the start, you can congratz yourself, you probably pushed out 50% of the player base out of the game and made them quit.
Your contract idea wouldn’t work. Cuz the mega alliance will just control them. Everything starts with getting rid of alliances cuz they ruin pvp and also friendships.
hey wait didnt blue say this was the best mmo on the market
Yuuuuup, the "BDO Killer"
Funny it's got what 35k? Players and it's steam only.. the content on the game is dry but hey blue good job being wrong again you moron
@@itzmrwolves damn somebody reported my comment what whine babys
Could be worse, check out the recent New World update
So during boss time, you can only pick one now. Yeah I don't know who came up with this idea, its not it.
i think they should make world bosses gvg, but make it 10 guild free for all, not a 1v1, that way alliances cant zerg and smaller guilds still have a chance to get some loot
I enjoy watching these videos just to hear this guy cry every time he goes to a new game and the pvp isnt what he thinks it should be.
The problem is that what you’re describing as the problem are all of the built in incentives for people to pay for power instead of indulge in the endless grind - if they fix it, it’s too easy to f2p right up the level of the whales and I don’t think those incentives will ever be given up. In a perfect world, there is no pay for power in this game and they are able to give much more rewarding drops/rewards and exciting content for the more mundane, daily tasks. Until then, they know that the people who want it most will simply pay for it and I don’t think they truly care if the game dies - you can look at their track record, they have a history of making flash in the pan cash grab pay for power games. It’s sad when you consider that this game really is pretty awesome at its foundation
Aren’t the players also the reason for the alliances , we want alliance gone but still make alliances, we’re crying about a problem we helped create
@blue squadron did you play Lineage the blood pledge?
Unless they make these conflict bosses inter server and with like 10 guilds on each this idea is 100% not gonna work
Nightime open world pvp is a terrible idea and would kill the game off even quicker lmfao, bro if someone sneaks me while im fishing or something im literally griefing them and their guild until they quit and then im the 1 that gets banned all bc someone wanted to be annoying.
I agree they need some form of it but the whole thing???? Absolutely not bc people will quit, trust me, mmo players are softbacked.
Hope the new archage is good.
They have already killed the game when they taken away the normal player chance to catch up.
People barely stick to the game hoping they will fix the Guild and Alliance system but The game keep f***ing up prioritizing the few P2W players.
If you ADD A QUEUE system for guilds to participate in that is a great idea.
If you REMOVE the current conflict bosses you are screwing your players and your pvp.
Why not have both? Let's add new systems and not remove old ones that people enjoy.
Tico is amazing, he talks with the ppl, i respect so much the devs who listen the voice of the ppl and takes notes from ppl!
TL would amazing if had the PVP system from GuildWars 1 (NOT GW2!)
YES PLEASE! Heroes ascent and gvg system from guild wars 1 is the best thing tnl could have
This can kill tnl? - thanks god, time to come to bdo boys
blue being clueless about other mmos as usual
Breaking alliances don’t mean shit… they would still find a way to work together and slaughter the weak… tired of it… tired of the long run back every time I die
Not sure what people don’t get about games that are monetised this way
They will never make it less grinding it’s setup that way so you get angry and just pay to win end of
Merging global launch auction house with early acces? Wtf?? Aren't the prices wildly different between these two?
No. I switched to an early access server and there exact same. In the beginning they weren’t but now yeah
Ive been defending the game on the front lines for so long, my guild has been staying positive and helped making it fun for each other.
Now Tico why are you ruining the game on purpose??? Too many changes to cater to players who don’t even like MMOs.
1v1 war bosses is the worst idea I’ve ever heard
This mf made me want to play Destiny 2 again with 1 sec worth of time in this whole video...
Bro .. why did I download destiny 2 again a few days ago
Meh alliance is no issue if the game can keep up player count per server
looking cooked
Did Blue just made almost 90 minute react to 9 minute video?
If devs dont listen to you the game is cooked 100
85% of servers are dominated by 1 alliance made up of guilds 1-4. Yeah, changing alliance system would help, but making world bosses 1v1 means those guilds can't just zerg.
1v1 World Bosses is a W, and I feel like your tournament proves that guilds want this.
I'm convinced that people making these F'in games have no idea what it's like to actually play them. Just make 50 man guilds, conflict WB should be GvG no BS alliances.
time to back to bdo
Your right more organic pvp plz
They are throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, game supports battles of 1000+ players. Instead of gvg they should make the whole boss zone pvp. Current arenas are way to small.
Granted needing 250+ people to play the game is hard to maintain.
All these free farm guilds aint gonna last long after transfers. They also let them free farm archebosses too way too long.
If they switch to gvg, all these 280 guilds are just going to consolidate into the best most active 70 players and just kill it for the other 200 players and still nothing will really change.
What about the people that's not in guilds they should have at least two days out the week for the ark boss to appear in peace
Server consolidations are already a sign that your game is dying.
no it isn’t, ALL mmos have a declining player base after the game comes out, mmos are grindy games and not everyone commits but server merges are essential so that the steady player base can have the intended experience and not quit becuz their server is deas
@@traviswheeler8885 Tell that to lost ark.
Long term MMOs usually don't have to keep paring down servers.
I have also found that separate servers like they have, keeps players from playing one another and only contributes to failure.
Yea the people hating on tnl is astounding it's almost like they never played a live service game before. If you don't like the game shut up and move on. Do you keep talking about youre ex constantly after a break up answer is yes but do you keep doing it if you want youre mental to get better no. Stop talking about tnl if you don't like the game. I'm having fun and game is still interesting to me. This is thier first time having a major server issue and yall crying about dead game. The community is fine without ur hate
@@RyuujinJakka-kt7pe mad cause farmed?
@@RyuujinJakka-kt7pe Played the game not for me. (targeting and combat are too clunky and I don't like turning into a dog)
Otherwise you're reading way too much into it. I am talking about server merges killing games.
This is an amazon game, as is lost ark.
Lost Ark is not fully dead, it has a small but dedicated player base that still likes to play it but I would hardly call it mainstream.
After server merges, a bunch of people leave, which only leads to further server merges. I think lost ark only has 2 or 3 now for the entire western region, when originally they had more than 10.
When playing lost ark, we had 2 server merges within 2 weeks. Its a sign your game population is imploding and may continue to do so.
Hes a masterbaiter XD hahahahaha he looks like that 😂😂😂🎉
What about bot situration?
Considering the other videos: bot status is still the same. Also you cant remove the bot thing from target based game. Bots are just too easy to create and hide program-wise
Bro you don't even play the game. What you got like 100hrs? And all that time running with epherium zerg on a dead server ...so much insight.
Bald
What is killing the PvP in the game is actually them not removing tornado and flash wave from the game. Terribly designed skills that shouldn't exist in a MMO
flashwave isn't as bad as tornado, imo
If geared correctly flashwave isn't even that great anymore. Crazy you bring up flashwave and not spear being insanely overtuned
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Game been dead once it was pay 2 win
I mean... I whole heartedly disagree, this game is at its peak when it's 1 Guild vs 1 Guild. I for one am excited for this change. It's crazy seeing people upset about them getting rid of the open world lag fest that was war bosses, at least to me. This will encourage more guilds to attempt War bosses. Like you wanted..... So I don't get the problem. You say this will kill the game, and that's the top "bully" guild perspective, if anything leaving it as is, will kill the game. It's a short sighted reaction to be upset about this.
You're so out of touch. How often do you declare on large guilds boon/riftstones as a small guild? Never? So why would you show up to field bosses which are essentially the same thing.
@@thaleyumd1219gee, idk, to get fucking loot?
he didnt say leave it as is you doofus. he made a better suggestion, to break alliances
we don't have enough fps on console ppftt lmfao on performance mode im getting over 60fps which is more than fine for an mmo on performance mode😂, the ps5 and series x aren't the frickin ps4 and Xbox one 🤣 yes pc is way better and far more powerful but even when theres TONS of players on my screen optimized at high player count settings i literally barely stutter 😂😂😂 i also have fiber optic and an actual gaming monitor which could be why, just because people on console doesn't mean they play at 30fps on their TVS 😂 idk ANYONE that even uses a tv over a monitor in 2025
The game is already dead bro
Why console MK? Just buy a PC at this point 😅
13 min 2 comments you fell off. Also TnL death isn't a surprise
I bought PoE2 yesterday with the infinite update and crashes. I have 4000 lucent saved and dont give a fuck...800 hoirs of laggy glitchy bullshit of a game....goodbye shity game😂😢
First 7min, still no comment?