Rings of Power - Season 2 Comic Con Trailer Reaction | Sauron Tricks Celebrimbor... Again?
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Amazon has released a new Rings of Power Season 2 trailer! Some good, some bad, some… rewriting? Let us know your thoughts, and thanks for watching!
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fool me once shame on me, fool twice i must be a character in a Amazon original
You look like a guy I met before.... nah let's make some rings lol
fool me once, shame on you; foo... fool me twice, won't get fooled again!
And my comment was deleted. Guess I couldn’t add to your awesome joke
Even in trailer he returns to Eregion as Halbrand not hiding who he is. 🥱
@@sauron5666would you rather him be a lighthouse 🤷
Visuals were not the problem; it was the writing.
Ah come on. " give me the meat, and give it to me raw" - That's classic Tolkein.
And the acting in parts. Also the story makes no sense and the timeline and cannon are way off.
Agreed. I’m sure, as an author myself, even if I was only allowed to have access to the lord of the rings and appendicees, I could’ve definitely come up with a better story!
Canon* @@bz6046
@@imallrightme7336probably the least dumb of the list of bad lines. “A rock always looks down” WTF does that mean
TOLKIEN FANS: "So how much of the Legendarium are you going to abuse in Season 2?"
AMAZON: "Yes."
_TOLKEIN FANS:_ "So how mu..."
_AMAZON:_ "YES!"
_TOLKIEN FANS:_ "Err; so how much of the *Legendarium* are you going to sh!t all over??"
_AMAZON:_ "DOUBLE YES!"
You lot are so freaking weird
@@immortal5626 indeed they are. They conveniently forget that the stuff shown in the show has to be signed off by the Tolkien estate too lol
@@Sif3r - Yes. By the Tolkien Estate. Who have no interest in respecting J.R.R. Tolkien and his works.
@@jachyra9 That is their sole purpose lol
I actually do not find those rings pretty. They do not look elegant enough. Heck, the stones weren't even cut.
Also, yeah, it doesn't make sense that Galadriel wouldn't tell them, she has been hunting him, and was one of the few in the lore that saw right through his lies. Making her one of several that fell for them cheapens her character, power, and clear-sightedness.
Just like Sauron, it looks pretty, but when you start digging, it all falls apart.
*Sauron puts a wig on*
I’m an emissary of the Valar now.
@@Martin-bf3by gandalf is the old man disguise.
its not the stick.
Bad comparison.
@@Martin-bf3by Lol, this "slaphead ginger" roasted you, Fool of a took.
For how Celebrimbor is fooled: early in the trailer, we see Sauron as Halbrand entering into a city. Then in another shot, it looks like Halbrand is in a room with Celebrimbor. I'm guessing he returns to Eregion, and admits to Celebrimbor that he was lying about his identity. He'll explain that's why Galadriel doesn't trust him. His true identity is Annatar, and he wanted to make sure Celebrimbor was trustworthy before he shared his knowledge with him. So Celebrimbor will know that he's the same person as Halbrand, but he won't know that he's Sauron because Galadriel kept that to herself.
Yes leaks said this. And trailer confirmed it.
But this channel is too stupid to get it
Classic excellent plot: protagonist not sharing extremely important information
thats a good theory and maybe correct but why bother with the change in appearance in that case? its just such a mess theyve gotten themselves into so its hard to come up with a good explanation. yours is as good as any. honestly that moment was the worst part of the trailer for me
@@MDK384 because he is now posing as an emissary from valinor
Yoystan you don’t have to subject yourself to this mess
This mess looks absolutely epic
@@immortal5626 hey, some people like eating poop. I still judge them based upon their choices.
That meme of "But Sauron made another One Ring..." is so much more likely to become true isn't it?
Hey! Shadow of War already kinda did that!
It already happened in Shadow of Wae
He made the one wig
Yoisten you are great
@@spyrofrost9158 Never got into that. I might have dodged a bullet there...
doesn't really matter how it looks or sounds, the rest is so bad this excitement will quickly fade away when ep 1 starts and Galadriel starts talking
Which should be the opposite effect knowing the real Artanis from the legendarium. The father name of Finarfin, Her father. We should be elated as we all were whenever she appears on screen. Such as when she appeared in The Hobbit which made so much sense. Cate always does wonderfully and her background in historical theatre and her understanding of things helped greatly as Galadriel(Artanis). Helps that she loved that character. Adored her. Wanted to play her. She even said if anyone had a movie of any sort even made by you or me she’d play as Galadriel any chance she could.
I wouldn't watch this even if Amazon subscribed to me for 50 bucks, fool me once....
🥰4 seasons to go.. You don't seriously think these dorks can contend with the will of Sauron. You must join with us my old friend.
@@Martin-bf3by tell me, "friend"! When did fans abandon reason for madness.
@@christuspilatus get off the hate train 🤣
@@Martin-bf3by How long has it been since Amazon bought you? What was the promised price Martin? When all the Men are dead you would take your share of the treasure?
Who cares what happens in this series, its just a piece of crap anyways. To me its not lord of the rings.
So why are you watching a video about a series that you don’t care about?
@@gemini3399 because I find it entertaining to look over the reviews and see how awful and terrible it is 😂
@@gemini3399 because the youtuber is someone i have been following for a long time, and i can still watch something and disagree.
Something leftists PC and woke people should learn from.
As soon as it becomes cheaper to break the contract than it does to continue bastardising Tolkien this will be cancelled. Until then the less interactions this gets, the faster that day will come.
Yet you are interacting with content related to it
Good luck with that lol cause you weirdos cry about it every day😂. Ironically all the negativity had a part to play in how it got more seasons lmao. Yall played yourselves🤣🫵🏽
@@elijahbrooks1472 How long has it been since Amazon bought you? What was the promised price Grima? When all the Men are dead you would take your share of the treasure?
I can't. At this point, Disney and Amazon will have to pay ME to watch the new crap. I will watch your breakdowns and reviews, but not the show.
Completely fair!! As long as, whenever you talk about it, you remember that whatever thoughts you have on the show aren't your own, they're someone else's since haven't seen any of the new stuff.
@Dilmahkana I won't be talking about it except for the canon breaking stuff if I do talk about it.
@@Dilmahkana So? Why should we give the show any real thought? It doesn't deserve it. The only way I'd ever watch the show is if they put two robots and a cheesehead in front of the screen.
I wish I was as strong as you @shadowofchaos8932
@@therealdarkwhale7977 Amazon gets their money if you pay them to watch it. They don't care if you like it or not.
Yeah… that’s dead to me. Wouldn’t finish Season One. Never will.
Dead to me.
Cry more
It’s not really dead to you because you’re here
Bold of you to think you’re making a difference😂
@@elijahbrooks1472 the 3 of you who comment everywhere are the only ones who soom to be hired from Amazon to like this ROP crap.
There are 26 people who agree with him.
You guys prop like to eat poop, we don't.
We are allowed to judge you guys based upon your choices.
The Haladriel answer is definitely a cheeky reply to a question from a fan. You gotta remember the context: actors/writers NEVER shut down fan theories at these events bc the theorists, especially shippers, are the *most* engaged fans. Shutting down a fan theory before a season is a self-own bc it kills hype.
Which is the opposite of why these panels exist.
Those three elven rings look like they came form a gumball machine.
I skipped around trying to see if this issue was addressed and didn't find anything. Is the trailer suggesting that the Elves chose to wear the 3 Elven rings while Sauron possessed The One? If so we all know that is a major canonical flaw.
Good question, no I don’t believe so. I think the One Ring will either be built at the very end of this season or at the start of the next!
@@MenoftheWestThis actual sacrilege against Tolkeins legacy doesn't deserve a season 2, much less a season three. It frankly didn't even deserve a season 1 existing to begin with.
@@MenoftheWest I don't have a firm grasp of the timeline but I'm guessing that Sauron did posses The One before his forces began the assault on Ost-in-Edhil.
@@deanzaZZR According to the Appendices, yes. The One was made ten years after the Three, Eregion was invaded 95 years after the One was created. Who knows how RoP will mess with the timeline this time.
Looked to me like that was well before the one ring was made. I’d wager that scene with the elves putting on the ring is early on and I wouldn’t expect the one ring to be forged until later in the season.
You take a turd and cut in half you still have a turd. If you have one turd and add another turd you have a full bowel movement.
It depends which way you slice it.
about the Halbrand/Anatar switch. You see in the trailer, Halbrand with Celibrimbor and then it cuts to Anatar coming out of the furnace. So I dont think Sauron is trying to make Celebrimbor think hes someone else, but rather that Halbrand was a disguise and that Anatar is his "true" form.
In the lore, he quite literally tells them that he is a messenger of the Valar. This would line up.
It’s not at all to do with the legendarium by the professor who revived ancient knowledge and languages of our world through his books. Connecting us more to the faefolk as we reconnect to our roots.
@@Sif3r All 20 rings were meant to go to elves ( lead to 300-500years of his infiltration & deception down the drain.) but Mairon of the Maiar(primordial angelic beings; as they are sort of beyond angels) disguised as a high elf named Annatar when he came to the elves pretending to be an emissary from Valinor on behalf of the Valar so it makes sense how alluring the ring is and how strong it’s pull on people is. (A bit too instant in the movies though) Galadriel soon saw right through him and especially when after speaking with him regarding not remembering him when in Valinor long ago where she learned from all the Valar thanks to being dominantly Vanyar/Teleri side over her Noldorin side where she gleaned from that encounter that she did not study under Aulë the Vala with any elf named Annatar ! But later named Sauron by the elves meaning deceiver! After all of this, The three elven rings were made in secret without Saurons touch upon them thanks to Celebrimbor! Remember Gandalf before he became Gandalf was the same species of entity Sauron used to be!! Wow hey?
The Rings in this case, would have lost their powers eventually due to the lack of the One Ring and possibly because they were designed to defeat evil, & evil in the form of Sauron had been defeated twice already in the past.
The Three Elven Rings served their purpose for a long time. Two out of three of them had several different bearers Unlike the other Rings, the main purpose of the Three is to "heal and preserve", as when Galadriel used Nenya to preserve her realm of Lothlórien over long periods. The Elves made the Three Rings to try to halt the passage of time, or as Tolkien had Elrond say, "to preserve all things unstained". I can expand upon this based on any further statements & questions you have for me as a reply to this comment ! ❤
There is problem here with the Rings, the Three were supposed to be never touched by Sauron and that's why they were not corrupting…Sauron had not taken part in their making which made the Three more 'pure' unsullied by his dark power, unlike the Nine and Seven Rings! But Sauron in the show touched the very material they were made of!!! So technically he could have tainted them and corrupted!
Even appendices of Lot tell us the order of making the rings, so they didn't even need the righs to more detailed writings in UT or Silmarillion:
1200
Sauron endeavours to seduce the Eldar. Gil-galad refuses to treat with him; but the smiths of Eregion are won over. The Númenoreans begin to make permanent havens.
c. 1500
The Elven-smiths instructed by
Sauron reach the height of their skill.
They begin the forging of the Rings of Power.
c. 1590
The Three Rings are completed in Eregion.
c. 1600
Sauron forges the One Ring in
Orodruin. He completes the Barad-dûr. Celebrimbor perceives the designs of Sauron.
1693
War of the Elves & Sauron begins.
The Three Rings are hidden."
'Did you not hear me, Gloin?' said Elrond. 'The Three were not made by Sauron, nor did he ever touch them.
But of them it is not permitted to speak. So much only in this hour of doubt I may now say. They are not idle. But they were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination or hoarded wealth, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained.
These things the Elves of Middle-earth have in some measure gained, though with sorrow. But all that has been wrought by those who wield the Three will turn to their undoing, and their minds and hearts will become revealed to Sauron, if he regains the One."
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The 3 Elven Rings are not susceptible to “The One Ring” in any direct way.. They’re only tied by fate to lose their power if Sauron is defeated completely & absolutely. As they were made by the elves and as always they make things for a purpose and pour their literal spirit into things they create. So if Sauron is defeated then the three rings power will fade and basically become almost useless or diminished versions of their original design since by this era magic has bled from the world by a huge degree thanks to Morgoth’s poisoning the world itself with his very essence that he poured into it. Called The Long Defeat By The Elves and The Men Of The West.
@Makkaru112 the elven rings were indeed forged by Celebrimbor by alone using knowledge gained from Sauron (like in the show). The very technique itself innately allowed the ability for them to be corrupted (hence the reason they take them off and hide them when they sense the one ring) and without the one (both it and Sauron), the power of said rings would fade. Which coincidentally is exactly what happens and why the elves leave the shores of middle earth.
But if he looks like halbrand and they know something happened between him and Galadriel it really doesn’t matter. In the end it still makes Celebrimbor look like an idiot for trusting and working with him.
The dialogues are very strange again. The elves are talking like out of a self written school play
Obviously since it's all written by the script writers...they don't have any access to any of the lines written by Tolkien..so no speech of Annatar to the elven-smiths:
“Alas, for the weakness of the great! For a mighty king is Gil-galad, and wise in all lore is Master Elrond, and yet they will not aid me in my labours. Can it be that they do not desire to see other lands become as blissful as their own? But wherefore should Middle-earth remain for ever desolate and dark, whereas the Elves could make it as fair as Eressëa, nay even as Valinor? And since you have not returned thither, as you might, I perceive that you love this Middle-earth, as do I. Is it not then our task to labour together for its enrichment, and for the raising of all the Elven-kindreds that wander here untaught to the height of that power and knowledge which those have who are beyond the Sea?”
They can't use that one :)...neither can they use the most written dialogue of the actual narrative set in Second Age, Aldarion and Erendis story etc. so yeah they are trash at writing dialogue in Tolkien's world...these script writers and showrunners are talentless hacks!!!! Ironically the only spoken line in the Second Age events that they do technically have, Amazon has rights to Lotr appendices after all...in Lotr appendix A we have Sauron of all people speaking..to king Ar-Pharazon in the final time when the master plan of bringing about the Numenorean's destruction is at hand:
"Then Ar-Pharazôn in the folly of his pride carried him back as a prisoner to Nْmenor. It was not long before he had bewitched the King and was master of his counsel; and soon he had
tamed the hearts of all the Nْmenoreans, except the remnant of the Faithful, back towards the darkness. And Sauron lied to the King, declaring that everlasting life would be his who
possessed the Undying Lands, and that the Ban was imposed only to prevent the Kings of Men from surpassing the Valar. 'But great Kings take what is their right,' he said.
At length Ar-Pharazôn listened to this counsel, for he felt the waning of his days and was besotted by the fear of Death."
So the only line is "But great Kings take what is their right". Interestingly enough considering how many canon characters are kings and rulers, this could have served some thematic purpose...if the writers were smarter!
My reaction was violent, projectile vomiting 🤢🤢🤮
You should see a doctor
Womp womp
@@elijahbrooks1472 you like to eat poop?
Poop is unhealthy to eat.
ROP is poop.
Careful what you eat.
My head canon has always been that Mairon, Sauron, Zigur, Annatar, all have the same face in a way. Sauron is a master of deception. I think his power makes it that some can look him in the face and not recognize him.
It’s actually Mairon>Gorthaur>Annatar and then another cursed name given to them by the elves to further diminish him called Sauron.
He called Gandalf Zigur in the fellowship movie at the dinner table of bag end
Tom Bombadil wasn't in the PJ movies? Well, we've got him here at Amazon. Remember when they didn't show the barrow wights? Well, we've got those too! And the Entwives, we'll find out what happened to them exclusively here at Amazon, even though Tolkien never wrote it.
Peter Jackson didn’t respect Tolkien
@@tevildo45 that’s the point, captain obvious.
Yeah. Isn't Amazon excellent. Thanks JeffB.
ROP has backed themselves in to several corners. There is no way they can bring Celebrian into the story without being weird. Elves don’t marry out of their are range. This is why they shouldn’t mess with time lines.
Tom definitely is on another level. It’s why only some elves have a shot at understanding him. As he’s existed since the dawn of everything. Just as old as the nameless things that entered Eä long before the first age.
I'm sorry but this trailer looks like it's not from the same universe like Lotr feels so different.
Womp womp
it seems like this season is gonna be non stop action to hide the medicare writing. it's just more key jinglings.
RoP's Celebrimbor parody makes me grateful for his depiction in Shadow of Mordor.
"Suffer me now!"
*screams of orcish shame*
SoM Celebrimbor even less canon friendly
Game has nothing to do with Tolkien especialy this Celebrimbor from game
@@sauron5666 That Celebrimbor is more elvish than the "wise" old fart in ROP Amazon.
so yeah. he is supposed to be a decendant of Feanor. There should be Noldorin qualities shown through the character, not some old man who forgets his mail.
Or a elf who dont know about alloying xD The one in the game Shadow of Mordor Looks waaaay better, and has that "FIRE" that burn within him.
There is NO fire within the celebrimbor in ROP. Just an old man who would prob have a small dog and like gardening.
If they say anything about Galadriel and Halbrand being in a relationship, I’ll fucking throw something at the TV!
Now wondering during what episode the space invaders will show up in.
All Amazon needed to do was follow this outline - All 20 rings were meant to go to elves, lead to 300-500years of his infiltration & deception down the drain.) but Mairon of the Maiar(primordial angelic beings in simple terms as they are sort of beyond angels) disguised as a high elf named Annatar when he came to the elves pretending to be an emissary from Valinor on behalf of the Valar so it makes sense how alluring the ring is and how strong it’s pull on people is. (A bit too instant in the movies though) Galadriel soon saw right through him and especially when after speaking with him regarding not remembering him when in Valinor long ago where she learned from all the Valar thanks to being dominantly Vanyar/Teleri side over her Noldorin side where she gleaned from that encounter that she did not study under Aulë the Vala with any elf named Annatar ! But later named Sauron by the elves meaning deceiver! After all of this, The three elven rings were made in secret without Saurons touch upon them thanks to Celebrimbor! Remember Gandalf before he became Gandalf was the same species of entity Sauron used to be!! Wow hey?
The Rings in this case, would have lost their powers eventually due to the lack of the One Ring and possibly because they were designed to defeat evil, & evil in the form of Sauron had been defeated twice already in the past.
The Three Elven Rings served their purpose for a long time. Two out of three of them had several different bearers Unlike the other Rings, the main purpose of the Three is to "heal and preserve", as when Galadriel used Nenya to preserve her realm of Lothlórien over long periods. The Elves made the Three Rings to try to halt the passage of time, or as Tolkien had Elrond say, "to preserve all things unstained". I can expand upon this based on any further statements & questions you have for me as a reply to this comment ! ❤
There is problem here with the Rings, the Three were supposed to be never touched by Sauron and that's why they were not corrupting…Sauron had not taken part in their making which made the Three more 'pure' unsullied by his dark power, unlike the Nine and Seven Rings! But Sauron in the show touched the very material they were made of!!! So technically he could have tainted them and corrupted!
Even appendices of Lot tell us the order of making the rings, so they didn't even need the righs to more detailed writings in UT or Silmarillion:
1200
Sauron endeavours to seduce the Eldar. Gil-galad refuses to treat with him; but the smiths of Eregion are won over. The Númenoreans begin to make permanent havens.
c. 1500
The Elven-smiths instructed by
Sauron reach the height of their skill.
They begin the forging of the Rings of Power.
c. 1590
The Three Rings are completed in Eregion.
c. 1600
Sauron forges the One Ring in
Orodruin. He completes the Barad-dûr. Celebrimbor perceives the designs of Sauron.
1693
War of the Elves & Sauron begins.
The Three Rings are hidden."
'Did you not hear me, Gloin?' said Elrond. 'The Three were not made by Sauron, nor did he ever touch them.
But of them it is not permitted to speak. So much only in this hour of doubt I may now say. They are not idle. But they were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination or hoarded wealth, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained.
These things the Elves of Middle-earth have in some measure gained, though with sorrow. But all that has been wrought by those who wield the Three will turn to their undoing, and their minds and hearts will become revealed to Sauron, if he regains the One."
-
The 3 Elven Rings are not susceptible to “The One Ring” in any direct way.. They’re only tied by fate to lose their power if Sauron is defeated completely & absolutely. As they were made by the elves and as always they make things for a purpose and pour their literal spirit into things they create. So if Sauron is defeated then the three rings power will fade and basically become almost useless or diminished versions of their original design since by this era magic has bled from the world by a huge degree thanks to Morgoth’s poisoning the world itself with his very essence that he poured into it. Called The Long Defeat By The Elves and The Men Of The West.
Not ready all that
We are so cooked. Visuals will be cool and it’ll probably be enjoyable as a “turn your brain off” show.
Our boy Celebrimbor is gonna be made out to be a fool 😩😭
the series had a 37% domestic completion rate
My mom has a 37% getting domestically abused rate
@@pyropulseIXXIdamn
And some of us were hate watching 😉
@@deanzaZZR Just watch Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker, and Disparu instead. At least then you can get a few laughs out of the bargain.
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I just want this to be decent. That's not too high a bar right?
Positively stratospherically high given amazon's track record.
hey if you want the bar raised just call James Cameron.
@@theemissary1313 Reacher, The Boys, Fallout, Vox Machina, Invincible....People conveniently forget the great stuff just to try and shit on what some people think is the 'bad stuff'.
In thos case it is as high as the ego of the people that made this.
@@Sif3rI don't get your logic. If they made other good shows, this has to be good?
My understanding is that Annatar will apologize to Celebrimbor for his earlier deception, claim to be an emissary of Valinor and tell him their work on the rings is of utmost importance.
When comparing the differences between LOTR books and the movies and then the Akallabêth vs ROP it’s like this. If the books are a blueberry then the movies are a Saskatoon berry, the Akallabeth is an orange and ROP is a rock. You cannot compare how different one is to the other and I’m tired of people trying to use this as an excuse to justify the changes in the show. One is unrecognizable and the other still follows the general plot. Also while I’m at it this idea of “oh well it’s not explicitly stated by the author so therefore we can do whatever we want” is the dumbest talking point I have ever heard. Should there be robots in Tolkien then? Dragons in James Bond. No, that’s not how it works.
"So you can accept dragons, but not my 2021 BMW i5 530 series with optional seat heating?"
Yeah, no, the changes are beyond bad in RoP, and to top it all of the aesthetic of the whole thing is just off, it doesn't feel like an authentic world, it feels forced and artificial.
@@Yattayattayup. As bad as the hobbit movies are they still feel tolkien even tho they divulged from the actual story. It’s about atmosphere/aura and this show has none
Very well put.
@@IarwainBen-adar I agree, and I didn't like the Hobbit movies. BUT all the elements of the book are in the movies, they just added in a bunch of non-sense. One blessed editor out there, took The Hobbit movies and recut it. It's called something like the "The Hobbit M4" It takes out all the non-sense cutting it down to about 4 hours. It sticks to the book pretty well, as much as it can with the available content to pull from. It makes "The Hobbit" watchable for me and it's the only version I'll watch now. I highly recommend it to poeple who didn't like "The Hobbit" movies.
@@raya8919 yeah i have tried to find that edit. Haven’t managed to. I’m also fairly technologically inept so that probably doesn’t help
Hey dol merry dol......
Blue wizards go to the East though, probably the inspiration to the Stranger going East
The problem is Amazon is reshaping
Tolkien into an image that they want.
They changed characters, they changed the story, they changed the message, they infected it with their modern views and values, they changed most of it, if not all the parts that make middle earth what Tolkien wrote and they put their own spin on it, and at first glance, again it might look like what we loved but instead of the sour cream it's tofu and oat milk, it's Halbrand and Aerondir (made up characters ontop of the fact they stole a name from a character form the books with Aerondir which is also a travesty ru in itself because that certainly wasn’t him either.), and instead of Elrond, the military leader, we get Elrond a manipulative politician architect, and we know that he was a military leader in middle earth, and was a skillful warrior in battle and had commanded various Elven armies, including the Last Alliance with Gil Galad.
And when we notice the changes that they (Amazon) put into it, they call the rest of us (fans) the worst possible things that you can imagine. If you remember their showrunners ( Paine and MacKay) from season 1 called the fans - "patently evil", you can google that article if you want. Amazon and its showrunners are the ones that think Tolkien wasn't good enough for them. They are changing Tolkien, not adding, but changing. They are changing his characters, his story, his works. So I am not that surprised the showrunners said that they are “creating the story that Tolkien never wrote”, because for them Tolkien is not good enough.
I myself enjoy Tolkien for what he wrote , for the world he created, for the languages he invented.
Lord of the Rings isn't about anything but itself, it has no allegorical intention ( Tolkien dislke allegory), general, particular or topical, moral religous or political, because its exactly what Tolkien wrote in a letter to Houghton Mifflin in 1955, he said that exactly:
"It is not 'about' anything but itself.
Certainly it has no allegorical intentions, general, particular, or topical, moral, religious, or political."
what he's saying is that Middle Earth is as you see it, as he wrote it.
He's saying that you need to accept it for what he wrote it as, and stop injecting your own political ideologies into it and enjoy it for what it is as he wrote it.
Peler Jackson began the assault on Tolkien’ legacy and now we gave Amazon
They created they're own characters and they're own stories with them characters that don't change the lore and they told the story of how Sauron came up with idea of Annatar which we appreciate instead of spending time making Love Triangle's and changing Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir and making him a cgi Lighthouse. Let's not forget CGI characters like Azog that should be dead.
"Now Celebrimbor was not corrupted in heart or faith, but had accepted Sauron as what he posed to be."
Thanks for all you do and your faithfulness to Tolkien's works.
Listening to "Galadriel not immediately telling on Sauron", I can see why. He wasn't romancing her, he was flattering her ego; she's had to reconcile how her ambitions and his aren't that different and wouldn't want to admit that even to herself, let alone all those elf lords, her friends and superiors. But she will eventually and that's where the humility will kick in and lead down the path to the Galadriel we know.
Not to be constantly surly about this series but I wish ROP would just die already. Sorry but it's just crap. Amazon's Second Age Arda is a world that Tolkien would not recognize.
You have no idea what Tolkien would recognize so you should stop speaking for him especially since his living family seems unbothered by the shows existence.
Maybe you should just let me express my opinions about this series, you have your own. I'm not stopping you and others who like this series from having yours. And yeah I know what Tolkien would have thought about ROP because I have read his letters and notes about his secondary world and seen old interviews with him discussing why he created it. Lastly the Tolkien Estate run by Simon Tolkien, J.R.R. grandson, doesn't care about his grandfather's legacy. That's why he and his father Christopher, the author's son, were estranged for years. Don't come at me when you have no clue what you're talking about. You like the series that's fine. But accept the fact that a lot of Tolkien fans do not. So deal with it sir!
Well it gives this channel knew things to talk about,
@@terrancehylton-lyons1776 They betrayed his legacy for money.
It’s not gonna die cause you basement dwellers won’t stop crying about it like children lmao😂😂
Tom is also more than just a device. Same as how Goldberry the RiverWoman’s daughter. (Maia). GirlNextGondor recent videos dive deep into how much people missed and overlooked about her. ❤
Galadriel says "he was no Man" in the trailer, so I'm pretty sure she's not gonna keep that a secret
I truly hope season 2 is better with the "who is Sauron" mystery box gone, it made the Stranger's plotline painful, and I even sorta like the Harfoots. I really hope the script writers are better for season 2. The visuals are really carrying the show for me. I'm glad to see your channel not foaming at the mouth hatred at the idea of it, some other channels are so hard to follow opinions and thoughts about ROP because they can't like anything.
I got 10 minutes into episode 1 of the first season and had to shut it down for good.
ahh so you have no authority to speak on what you thought of the show, right? Just another one of those "hurr durr peeple fink itz bad, so I fink itz bad 2"
nope. It’s horrid. Recommend The Angry Mexa channel. He did a lovely video looking at the deep comparisons between the me the methods and facts of acting and film work between crouching tiger hidden dragon and ROP and ROP gal vs LOTR Gal. It was wondrously beautiful.
Au contraries, mon Ami. I know everything about, which is why I would never desecrate my time on earth by watching something that takes a giant dump on Tolkien and hates lovers of the books. No thanks.
@@Sif3r More like, "What I saw of it was garbage enough for me, and I'm not dumb enough to give it anymore attention." Did you even read his comment before replying to it? Of course you didn't, because if you had, you would have understood what he said. But you really should get back to packing your boxes; Bossman Bezos only gives you one bathroom break per shift, you know.
@@scotthudson8722 Yeah, that Amazon employee couldn't even comprehend what you wrote.
'You can't make this up, folks'
About Celeborn and Galadriel, she mentions in season 1 that he is her husband and he is dead, so I really don't know where they're going with it :(
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They should have made a TV show about the Adventures of Strider, not the Second Age. Would have been more interesting and action packed
and you take liberties on the story of Aragorn as a young warrior / ranger.
i dont think hes gonna hide the fact that he's halbrand i think thtats the point. he'll just reveal himslef as a messenger of the valar or whatever and change form in from of him is my guess
it looks SO good it just makes me wonder … why the hell didn’t they just do this for season 1?!?!? so you’re telling me, we could have had all this, annatar and the actual deception, elf battles, shelob descendants and they just …. didn’t? i just wish s1 never existed :( and i agree, i do think that they’re planning on retcon’ing a few things, maybe perhaps the tolkien estate let them use more of the copyrighted lore to work themselves out of the hole they’ve created.
I havent watched any of this out of choice, but i really do enjoy you breaking down the trailers and episodes
Always interesting why people can't wait and see how the writing will reveal its purposes. Because obviously most decisions have their purposes, they layer the story and the plot and the Tolkienian thematics and every season will open a new layer that makes the the whole richer. Why the need for immediate answers, why this inability to endure/bear uncertainty?
Would have been better if they actually used the Tolkien loving WETA teams elven rings to borrow but… they went for this instead. LOTR media always needs continuity or we have nothing. It then begins to feel like something else entirely…
Where is the AI that does something useful, like give all of the elves long hair?!
Durin is force pushed like in starwars
Supposedly the little spider in the trailer isn’t Shelob but one of her offspring… I feel like they could fix the Balrog thing if they use it in a vision that Durin has or something.. still looks better than S1, so we’ll see!
Rings of power has absolutely nothing to do with JRR Tolkien.
Don't care about your irrelevant opinion
That’s just blatantly wrong though. If nothing more, the basic themes of Tolkien are still present: Friendship, love, sacrifice, hope. It’s all there. On top of that, this season is actually focusing on canon events. The Sack of Eregion, the Usurpation of the Throne in Numenor, Durin’s fall to greed, and (hopefully) the two Blue Wizards journey in the East. I didn’t like much of the writing in the first season, but it seems like they’re trying to make amends, at least a little bit, here. I like to see what they can do.
@@CelebornGaming except all of these events are thousands of years apart.
The sack of a Eregeon happens about 2000 years before the destruction of Numenor, the Wizards do not arrive in Middle Earth until about 1000 years after the events of the last alliance. and the dwarfs don’t leave Moria for another 500 years after that.
@@terrancehylton-lyons1776 I believe my opinion is just as relevant as yours.
@@wolftal1178ThePhilosophersGames literally did a full multiple hour stream where he even showed the beginnings of the guardians of middle earth who actually entered middle earth (the hitherlands) alongside Melian as the chief. The workings of these Maiar show to be the early works of these beings who’d later become the istari in later ages with a new mission. Awesome stuff. His channel is so big and thorough.
As for Celebrimbor, we know Sauron liked to lie by omission and half truths. That's how he got Galadriel. I suspect he's gonna "come clean" with Celebrimbor about his Halbrand disguise after Celebrimbor is frustrated by failing at making MORE rings
Here's another way to interpret the trailer:
It appears that Sauron shows up to Eregion again as Halbrand and Celebrimbor welcomes him for some reason or other. Shortly thereafter, he transforms into Annatar perhaps as a way to reveal his "true" identity to Celeborn who may still be unsure of whether or not to trust him.
Remember how Tolkien relays that Sauron deceived the Elves through his fair appearance. They even believed him to be an emissary of the Valar. What we may be seeing here is Sauron working this deception on the incredulous Elves who at first don't know whether to trust him.
Durin, Elrond, and Celebrimbor are the only characters whose stories I am invested in. Hopefully they'll get some good stuff for them this season. This trailer does look very promising
You seem so sure that the stranger is Gandalf, if he’s not, and he is one of the blue wizards (they have hired another actor, Ciarán Hinds,to be another wizard), then the Rhun plot would make more sense
ThePhilosophersGames did a long live stream study of all of season 2 and it’s trailer but did some awesome deeper lore discussions. Awesome stuff.
If he is not Gandalf then it's reactionary rewrite of their original idea
@@Acromion11 how do you know this? And how do you know their original idea if they haven’t revealed it? The plan all along was to bring the stranger/wizard to Rhun
@@BUdesign moth; connection to hobbits; follow your nose; fire theme around him that can be red herring for him being a Sauron, but also works for Gandalf because he has a ring of fire (or will have at this point); gray robes; Gandalf is sent to Arda to unite peoples of Middle Earth fight Sauron which ties neatly to what passes for a main plot of this video based product,...
That's what remained in my memory from watching S1 of this video based product, sadly it is still too much for my liking
@@Acromion11 in an interview the show runners themselves said that the reference to “follow your nose” could just be something Gandalf had heard from someone else and started to use in his time. People love the connection between wizards and hobbits from the Lord of the Rings, so I assume that’s why they went this direction. In the same way, people also associate the grey robes etc with Gandalf/wizards. That being said the show runners neither confirmed or denied if the wizard is Gandalf or Saruman or any of the theories people have posed. The second wizard could be evidence of them being the blue wizards, but we will have to see. It could go either way!
I liked many things, but you can’t tell me that the rings are well made - they look like something you can find in a chocolate egg!
Tom would not be “gathering moss” if he’s in Rhun…
Spent alot of money shinning a turd
It still stinks.
Womp womp
@@elijahbrooks1472 oh look. its the Turd eater.
Nenya looks like a candy ring 😢
Nenya is beautiful. I like it better than the one in the movies.
@@gemini3399 are you paid by Amazon? I keep seeing you and 4 others in the comments, defending ROP.
If they make Bombadil a serious character I swear to Tulkas.....
now if all this time is passing what are they going to do with the harfoots you know are they going to show them aging and dying and then having kids and grandkids and great grandkids I mean they can't all live for 4000 years you know they don't have a one ring they're not even Gollum you know I mean they can't they can't live that long they can't live as long as Gandalf's time Middle Earth just won't work so they're going to have to start killing off some of these characters and replacing them with Would the children and grandchildren and descendants and they have to find some place to settle down in the and to unveils and bump into the rogram or the potential the ear langus I don't know it's it's a mess they really should have stuck to the timeline it would make it would make it easier for them to do the show that way if they follow the timeline and where characters were in the series and the books and in the history I don't know II think it's a failed mess II call it the rings of the things that sour I don't call it the Rings of power I call the things that sour cause it leaves the sour bitter taste in your mouth going oh my God what have they done to Tolkien They destroyed his legacy completely.
Take out Tom Bombadil and WhatsherfaceHobbitnotHobbit girl and i'm actually kind of excited about this trailer. I can live with the timelines getting smooshed together and some being out of place, as long as they don't change the gist of the story Tolkien wanted to tell.
I get what you are saying but 1) season one & 2) trailers oft deceive
@@deanzaZZR I'm going in pretending that season didn't even happen. Second and last chance to make things right.
You mean femfrodo and femfattysam
All these extra plots with Rhun can be scrapped for later so they can better flesh out these horrid storylines they already have on their grubby hands.
50's Elvis and 90's Jason Newsted. I can't with the specific modern day rock hairs. I don't have much to take seriously! Can we discuss the narrowing and widening eye of the pseudo-Sauron?
I don't know much about the lore, but when I heard that the 3 rings would corrupt the three elves, I thought the 3 rings were meant to counter the one ring, not corrupt the wielders themselves.
Thought grandmother willow from pocahontas looked better than the entwife but I’m not gonna lie the trailer got me excited for the new season
Oh so you didn’t get how Sauron tricked celebrimbor? Well, it’s simple- in lore celebrimbor was a young Elf…here he’s a grandpa 😂😂😂😂…old fart’s memory is degrading with age 😂😂😂
exactly. This version of celebrimbor is an old senile, Alzheimer's-plagued elf. No wonder he will get tricked again.
To be fair LOTR skipped around on the timline as well. 13 years Gandalf left and returned. I can see a huge timeline like that in a show being jarring for new veiwers.
13 years isn't 200, but yeah, if you don't know about it, you'll assume that the time skip is a few days at most.
@RoseBaggins I think a few months in the movies is what i thought as a kid, till my dad said it was 13 ywlears in the books or aomething like that. No it isn't 200 years definitely exacerbates the problem. But I can see the average film goer not wanting to see 200 years. Plus humans could die have to have more becomes a lot of characters that probably will confuse people.
@@PistonDrivenGun problem is 13 years is easier to cut down to two, whereas 200 ... a lot more can happen in 200 than 13, which is why the condensing of the 2nd age makes no sense. If they wanted to focus on the humans like Isildur, than have the majority of the show take place at the end of the second age with flashbacks to show us the making of the Rings and Sauron's deception. Elendil is Miriel's descendant, heir to the throne of Numenor, not the captain of her guard. Galadriel and Celeborn have created their own country at this time and have an army of their own to command, and a daughter who will marry Elrond. It's almost like condensing our own history and having Moses meeting Cleopatra.
@RoseBaggins I should clarify I don't think they should try condensing the 200 years and agree with you about how they should have written this show if they wanted the Faithful during the fall of Numenor. That make a lot more sense and have more direct affect to lead into the Jackson's movies.
Cleo would be like have you heard of Rome? Lol
Meh, that's just lazy writing. PJ did it properly. Any way you put it this 1500 years compressed into less than 5.
Why does Artanis Finarfiniel look like a little girl? Elves don’t age like that… this is why you needed Cate Blanchett to elevate the scenes… I’ll continue working quietly on my storyboards on how a realistically achievable first and second age set of movies and series could work… and maybe one day it’ll see the light of day and drown out Amazon. Aurë Untiluva! Mattena. (Or was it Metenna? During Gandalfs fall. The chorus in Quenya.)
My reaction to RINGS OF PRIME: At least we have a new WIND ROSE SINGLE. "ROCK AND STONE!"
This trailer makes it seem like they learned lessons about what didn't work in the first season, which was a long list. We shall see....
tbh it really feels like this new season is a whole rewrite. like theyre ignoring shit in s1 so they can actually put some decent stuff on screen. like halbrand fooling celebrimbor again, i really think theyre doing it again just so its a rewrite and ignoring the dumb stuff in s1
Yeah seems like it. Which is smart in a way. But it still seems like the other stuff, other storylines are still meh or off Tolkien's plot.
This season will probably be mostly damage control from season one is what I’d imagine, still not going to watch it though before watching reviews.
@@DarkSide_Gaming21338 lol can’t make up your own mind😂?
@@elijahbrooks1472 don’t really get what’s so funny from me saying I’m not going to watch it unless I hear it’s actually worth a watch. Then I might give it a chance but they would have to do a lot after the disaster which was season one.
@@elijahbrooks1472 How long has it been since Amazon bought you? What was the promised price Elijah? When all the Men are dead you would take your share of the treasure?
Great conversation!
Galadriel in this media believes that Celeborn is dead. She tells Theo in episode 7.
Galadriel according to the appendices: was the only one not deceived by Sauron. In the show: "he deceived me"
also why does tom bombadil care about the world? the whole gandalf/hobbit arc is so expendable.
those are my two problems with the trailer. it does look a lot better than i expected though. agreed with your cohost about the entwives looking too cgi. it makes the movements too smooth. the practical, mechanical treebeard works especially for believable movements for basically a living tree
Are these guys for real? Is this real? For real?
I'm excited to see season 2. While I agree that season 1 was nothing short of poor; season 2 does look to be more promising. I will give it a chance for redeeming itself.
This is really funny. If only rings of power was just a Screensaver, and not an actual show with words and a story.
It’s bad when the opener of the Pro list is the cinematography.
More steaming garbage. Galadriel wearing a ROP despite the show saying Sauron already has power over them (which shouldn’t happen until the One is made)🤦♂️ Celebrimbor (grandson of Fëanor himself) gets fooled by a wig… by Erú it just keeps getting worse 🤦♂️. “sHaReR oF GiFtS” has to be the worst one liners of all time.
I think you are misunderstanding events depicted here.
Galadriel never shares her experience with Sauron until the scene in this trailer where Gil-Galad demands her to explain him. But they are far away from Eregion where meanwhile Sauron shows up as Annatar and gives poor old Celebrimbor some story and coerces his collaboration, just like in the books. I expect this to stick much closer to the source material and based on this trailer I'm very encouraged they will do so.
I think it's premature to nitpick this trailer without context of how they manage the scenes.
@@okultusrexus3660 you may be right about galadriel but there is no excuse for Celebrimbor trusting Sauron except Galadriel not telling anyone of Halbrand’s true identity which in turn would make her an idiot
@@IarwainBen-adarshe tells Gil Galad, Cirdan, and Elrond in the trailer.
@@IarwainBen-adar I do agree with that, after spending all season stressing out about him, revealing his identity should be the first thing she does. Maybe there is some way to save that, these trailers tend to put scenes out of context and not necessarily in order.
The three never were touched by Sauron.
They should have kept Bombadil in the west. And let the wizard meet him there. And they talk about some mysetry happening in the east. And then show the Wizard go to the east.
I didn’t like season 1 at all. However, my hope isn’t that this gets cancelled but rather I hope it improves. Especially as it gets into more canon events.
I already accepted that it’s completely separated from the book canon, the time compression is probably my biggest grievance, however my hope is that this still turns into a good show
The Forge Is Female
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They seem to have gone from one extreme to the other. Season one was extremely slow with a lot of battles that didn’t really seem to be going anywhere or adding to the story. Now, they seem to have gone, oh shit! People are angry because we didn’t stick to the law and now they are just cramming everything in. And it’s all seeming like it’s going to be happening very fast. I’m sure myself and other authors could’ve done a much better job even if we only had access to the Lord of the rings.
Some nice looking visuals do nothing to change the crappy content that is coming.
Looks better than the first season. Let’s hope for Tolkien sake
Khaza dum will not fall, maybe some destruction, and then rising again..
Battle and death..
but they are not insane to destroy it.. or maybe yes?
Aaaaa
Tom da Bombadil is literally just an antithesis of Sauron. If they make him into a good old wise mentor then yeah... I mean what am I saying as if they got any of the shit right lol.
Since we already know this show isn't faithful to the source, I at least hope this season is loads of fun, if nothing else 👍🏼
This show is a joke and insult to Tolkien and Middle earth. No true fan will pretend this show is worth anyone’s attention
They are teleporting elves.
It feels wrong that they showed the trailer at an American comic convention.