Love your original video. Watch it fully and absolutely loved the redesign you did for it. I would be really happy to see riot actually take your ideas onboard.
Skyen: "I'll do what others channel do and just do a haha and go to the bathroom" Also Skyen: make a reaction with 3 times the duration of the original video
Speaking on Nickyboi's little cuts and memes, I see they are a good way to add humor to what is essentially a video essay, and he uses them to reinforce his point. Its entertaining and effective
I think the reason is because Nicky knows the audience. One part of being a decent comedian is knowing your audience and the tone you put out. It's easier to do when people know and come for you, but to be consistently unhinged yet hilarious is a skill.
So satisfying to listen to lmfao. Also appreciate how he says that you could make her into a character that incorporates her sexiness, like instead of making her genuinely repulsive. I agree, I think both approaches work, but Riot just didn't pick a side and in the worst way possible. It's the design that's the problem, her character itself is great
"There's so much more to art than beauty, there's so much more to aesthetic than pleasure." Is a sentence that is too true and way too many people need hammered into their brains.
yeah,it saddens me on so many levels. drawing stuff for others sometimes has me on 5 stages of grief because its always that hourglass figure perfection that they want. to me it doesnt tell anything characterwise, especially now since i am so numb on that stuff
I mean the issue is that I feel like a lot of these people KNOW that already. They just conveniently forget that whenever it’s about a woman lmao. Like, if you give them a rad, body horror monster, they’ll be like “Oh hell yeah that’s so cool and scary and monstrous and gross!” But if you show them a woman with slightly unconventional features they go “Well, why would I ever want to see any art that isn’t 100% aesthetically appealing?”
@@cartoonishidealism582 yeah,i understand you 100%, i just had to get it out of my system. But i am glad there are people that think the way you do, thank you for reminding me
Every time TBSkyen has to disclaim that there is a place for tittybabe character design - just not as a default - and gets ignored anyway, an angel loses their wings
YESYESYES That little rant around 34:07 about how women and queer men also fall into the trap of hating anything unbeautiful is so real and honestly skyen I just commend ypu for being principled enough to also criticize queer communities.
I think the redesign does the snake-human boundary better by having cassiopeia explicitly wear clothing covering the boundary, rather than it being a weird golden girdle. Maybe the merging point does look 'ugly', and cassiopeia wears clothing that doesn't really 'make sense' to cover that! Maybe it looks fine but she's secretly self conscious about that particular part of her! One of the goals of sexy clothing is to make the concealment just as exciting if not more than what's being concealed, and the veil over that particular boundary might just be that...
32:22 something else that I will add: you don’t need to make a character with an hourglass shape for people to make sexy fan-art of the character now with an hourglass shape. People can turn ANY design into a bombshell if they want. R34 exists to prove it. So let people do the hard work for you, let them make it sexy and then you can focus on making the character fit the story.
As soon as I found out they restricted the video for the first upload, I immediately watched the second video on repeat like 5 times out of spite. Appreciate you looking out for our fellow fella, TB. Your taste in friends and colleagues is more immaculate than your takes on character design.
i really like the simplicity of her hair, the hime cut (name of the hairstyle) translates to princess in japanese but it being a bit more elaborate is definitely something that could improve the design further !
1:00:35 Completely random idea, no clue if its good, but what if she had the Black Rose design incorporated into her tail? So instead of the spots of darker green, she'd have a curling thorn-covered rose stem made from darker scales that coil up her body. Then to make things really spicy and go all in on the "temptress" theme, the actual rose flower can be around her hips where the snake tail transitions to human torso: because its where her "flower" is. Maybe the flower could be implied through a combination of her scales and cloth. Also, maybe she could have scales going up the sides of her waist and torso while leaving the stomach bare. This not only accentuates her stomach (its the vulnerable, naked human part of her unprotected by scales) while highlighting her hourglass figure. If we're gonna make her fan service might as well full send it!
That's a really good idea, I didn't even think about how you couald add a rose motif in there and how it works both with her standalone character and her ties to the black rose
34:54 Sadly, Nickyboi gets it pretty bad on reddit. RUclips is mostly what it should be with comments, but as with every reddit post showing a nickyboi take on a chamion redesign, they just all get angry. Oh, making soraka larger? Thats awful, make her more attractive. Oh, making Cassiopeia more attractive to lean into a character trait while it makes sense shes welcomed in Noxus becuse of their ideals? Make her ugly, its supposed to be a curse. (God forbid they actually watch the full video and realise its more than just an art change...) Some of them even just say its 'worse than the original' Its very frustrating. It just feels like they hate on him simply due to either dislking champion redesigns immensly or just not liking Nickyboi taking a shot at it. To me, this is his most ambitious and amazing project to date, and i hope for nothing more than it to grow exponentially. (Already over 100k views on the reupload, we cooking now baby)
The main subreddit is full of THE brain dead League players. No fanart allowed, that’s spam, only competitive discussion. No funny copypastas (like Dr Mubdo), that’s filler, just more competitive highlights. No complaining about competitive setting, they got a (dead) subreddit for that so that’s okay :) Fuck the main subreddit.
I dont like his rework but not because its him, i dont like it cuz it looks too much like an anime character. Its stupid. The thing is Cass is tied forever to the idea of the Greek myth Medusa. And when i played the OG Perseus Pantheon (Fucking miss that version of the skin) i would always look at the head on the shield. Because it was Cass. While Cass herself may not be Greek, i think the story should be that she was an illegitimate child or ran into a cave looking for a treasure that was rumored to make her beautiful in the lands of Leagues version of Greece, but instead turned her into a hideous Gorgon whos final insult was allow her SOME semblance of beauty. And for her Greek skin they could go full blown Athenian or Crete themed clothing and tie into Perseus Pantheons lore. Im not saying the guy shouldnt ever take cracks at reworks, im just saying i disagree woth the direction he took.
That reminder to go watch Nicky's video was appreciated, I forgot I didn't watch the reuploaded version so I went ahead and watched it first. I must say though he edited the video in a way that you can see more details of memes if you watch a second time and enjoy it more.
Since we're ranting about kai'sa again, i'll propose one change to her that i genuinely think recontextualizes her entire design: Give her voidy insect legs, styled after a fly. Specifically digitigrade ones. Make sure they are way too thin in places, so it's abundantly clear these have replaced her legs, and aren't just a suit where her legs could feasibly fit somewhere in there. This does the following: Cons: - no ass, probably (Technically you could probably have the new legs start below her butt if it's that important to you, and it might even give you some exciting tension between sex appeal and her monstrous fly legs) - K/DA kai'sa could be hard to do (Though we could also make it an actual statement, i.e. amputees can still be pop idols, if we're feeling brave in the face of xenophobia, give her a fancy iced out version of those running blades maybe) Pros: We have pros on multiple levels here, I'll go into the ones I could identify. Gameplay Clarity: Digitigrade legs underline her insane agility/mobility for an adc; they lend themselves to dynamic posing and mostly just "look faster" than regular human legs. A first-time player can now look at her silhouette and immediately expect that she will probably be fast, even more than with her current design. Representation: I'm not sure we have an amputee (or otherwise disabled) character in league who isn't outright villainous (hi urgot and camille and renata and swain and arguably viktor (am i insane or just spotting a pattern i genuinely don't know)), though I haven't checked the entire roster. Kai'sa could fill that "void" (hehe), giving us a visibly disabled hero. Lore Consistency: We can now actually see that she's been through it. Her childhood in the proclaimed MOST DANGEROUS AND HOSTILE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD didn't leave her with a flawless vogue body, in fact it literally tore chunks out of her. Reading how she found the suit now calls to mind imagery of her without legs, bleeding, crawling on the floor, helpless, undignified, and how finding the suit saved her just in time. How she would definitely be dead without it, like everyone else. Beyond that, closing her helmet now actually makes her look more monstrous than human. It's now clear that, and why, people would be scared of her. Symbolism: The void is now part of her, not something she could feasibly just take off. Also, without it, she literally has no legs to stand on. This is what makes her special, and this is what allows her to fight. That's all I got for now. You probably won't read this, and I might have said it before, but I do genuinely think my idea is good. If you ever decide to "build a better kai'sa", I really hope you would consider this.
The intro to this reaction went into three different directions very fast. Great job. Nickyboi’s original video and the effort he put into updating Cass was amazing and I love it dearly.
This is Nickyboi's legacy. And I'm glad he could do this on a champion that DESERVES to be remade and breathed new life to. 💚 Your commentary is FUNNI and INFORMATIVE, as usual. Thanks for this, ma man Skyen. xD
Hot Take, and I hope Skyen sees this; Briar would've added an interesting complexity to a nation, if the nation she was attributed to was Demacia, not Noxus; as a parallel to Sylas.
There's something I hate about Riot's business model. It's that they look so uncritically at their negative scores without realizing that it's due to a negative feedback loop. A champion is in disrepair so they become unpopular. The champ is unpopular so they get no new skins. The champ generates no revenue because they receive no new content to draw attention to themselves. And then the cycle repeats. When, like nickyboi said, those updates give massive opportunities for new content and create a much larger fanbase for the character, which Akali and Evelynn, and to a lesser degree, caitlyn, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I do agree with him with that one, but her body is already perfect for her snake proportion. she still need to be snakelike rather than just fanservice, also if Soraka get an ASU it is actually is better in the thiccer body category because of her motherly nature.
34:18 YES. YES. THANK YOU. OMG THANK YOU. I have no problem if people enjoy beauty and pleasure in art - that's fine! Nothing wrong with that. But also as an artist it infuriates me that any other type of art or design (ones that VALUE STORYTELLING) tend to be squashed in favor of what's more "marketable". There's so much more art can do than just make you feel good looking at it. It's also an attitude you get from folks in fandoms and shipping culture. "Why would you like a character that isn't sexy?" "Well why would you ship characters if they're not hot?" FOR A LOT OF REASONS??? Characters can have different types of appeal! Ships can have interesting dynamics and storytelling opportunities! NOT EVERYTHING EXISTS TO MAKE YOU HORNY.
Imagine a world... where we have characters with varied body types... with designs that are good fit for their characters... as base skins and then we sell seggsy horne skins for more appealing styles so we can have our Lore cake and eat it with the golden forks of all the money!! RITO PLEASE!!! its even a good idea!
It’s even more annoying when you realize that there are more versions of sexy than “default sexy women” or “default sexy man”. Some people like fatter bodies. Some people like women with actual muscles. If we vary body types, we can actually expand the range of who we fan-service to.
@@crashb800 I feel like this isn't stated enough. Dad bod is a thing, and it's a thing that people enjoy looking at. The equivalent also exists for women, though I would argue that "Mum bod" is a bad name because that sounds weird, somehow. Not to mention the number of people absolutely simping over Samira (muscles), Renata (older) and Ambessa Medarda (both + POC).
1:25:35 Kill - Swain Oh my gods.... Favorite right there. That's... That's some fukkin' Azula A:tLA writing right there! "You've beaten me at my own game." "Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player."
cassio in the modern league should be a Baccai, a failed asendent that would explain that she is half/half. maybe she was searching the ruins to get the secret to asend in the first place? maybe she ask Xerath for it when she free him? anything but being a curse... that make as much sense as warwick being cursed into a werewolf by soraka in the old lore
✋Ooooh, teacher, I have something to contribute! Cassiopeia's rework is obviously geared towards cobras, because Shurima and it's Egyptian coding, but as an American I can see she's got more than a little rattlesnake in her. The jewels in her hair are an allusion to diamondbacks, the spots on her tail look like the spots of massasaugas, and, while I doubt it was intentional, one of the ways we're taught to distinguish rattlers is by their triangular heads. It's less obvious than the monster concept with the rattle and the curved fangs, but if you've grown up with rattlers as your default desert viper and thing to watch out for on walks, you can see the influence on her design. It's also a bit ironic, because rattlesnakes are the furthest from a seductive predator: that rattle has one message and it's "Go away!".
hi! i did the voice for cass in this video! i really likes your takes, but i ESPECIALLY loved your ideas for your own cass based on her spirit blossom skin. once you mentioned her being super pale i was sold immediately. i’m albino myself, and albino representation in characters is either non existent, or really offensive (albino humans don’t have red eyes!) having her be based off of an albino snake, with super pale skin and hair, but piercing red eyes would be an amazing design choice, and pretty damn good representation. as for fun tidbits on the voice, YEAH i can tell nicky didn’t get any help with the lines LMFAO (not that they were bad, they were amazing, it just took him a solid bit for him to get them to me haha) and in regard to enunciation of the S sound a lot, (and this will be a bit of a tangent for me to get to my point) i’m trans, female to male (i dont mind you calling me an actress, i get it!) and in that process, my voice has deepened and has gained a rougher edge, typical of male puberty. since i was an actor before that, female characters are usually what i do 90% of the time, but now theres an added hurdle of getting past this new testosterone sound. i’m REALLY bad at explaining technique, but a really good way to sell a more feminine tone Is to have that kind of emphasis on those s sounds! its a tip used in a lot of male to female transgender voice training. but even aside from that, i’ve been an actor for 7 years, and with the style of acting that league has (typical semi-realistic interactive, not as cartoonish as anime or a … cartoon, but not as grounded as a movie-game), is kinda my specialty. (getting into it because of games like fire emblem, which cass’s original actor voices a character in, really helps lol) anyway to wrap this up, amazing video, and amazing commentary!
"yeah I'm gonna steal NickyBoi's video and not add anything to it" **proceeds to compliment NickyBoi's overall content quality, argumenting in great details what's good within his content, edition style, writing strong points and creativity not even 10 minutes in**
A good video, just wanted to say thank you for producing these commentaries. Also just wanted to note, the whole talk about subjectivity. THANK YOU! It just annoys me to no end that whenever i criticize something i have to make constant disclaimers of (This is MY OPINION, its not OBJECTIVE) and then STILL have people say that i claim objectivity. Its just so annoying. Joseph Anderson made a video on this topic called "Subjectivity is implied" and i hope to god more people try to follow what is said in that video.
i have to agree i think the fact he could so clearly get and solid idea that could easily be made into art its very much a concept art which is just one of the steps not eveyone needs to have the same level of polish but he made a great rendition of cas and it was easy to redraw her cuz she was more then a stick figure
oh the voice acting actually gave me chills, jesus christ it's good this whole redesign is ridiculously impressive, I didn't expect at all just how extreme it'd be
I just want to say that about the hypocrisy of youtube, there is an ad on youtube of this game, i don't know the name, but basically the ad is this demon girl very very revealed and she just has a soft blur to hide her MASSIVE cleavage and she walks towards a demon man and then they have these very very sexually charged/softcore corn interactions. It's so insane to me. They also have all these ''waifu games'' ads with just the most absurdlt sexualized anime girl with massive hongedongs hanging out and it's just INSANE. The internet is only corporate greed and hypocrisy nowadays, i really don't know what we can do about this. I hate it. Also great video yead i'm not JUST complaining about youtube haha
At 55:42 I can confirm that there exists a Pokemon ROM hack where they replace the Pokemon with League of Legends characters. All the sprites have that weird quality to them that you see now. so take that as you will
I have this image of Cassiopeia being surrounded by a small army of maids who help her get dressed in an overkill amount of expensive jewelry and fashion.
I think Skyen’s criticisms actually helped me appreciate the final product even more. There’s a lot of good ideas about making her more ostentatious, but in trying to picture it I realized that so much was accomplished with the finalized design and artworks. The design felt like it did “less is more” quite perfectly; everything I need to know about the character was well represented in the limited amount of details that were included. Truly one of the best fan ideas for a league character update that I’ve ever seen
50:25 to 50:40. What you describe here is also what happens with male and female physic expectations. We see body builders that use steroids (for professional body builders it is 5000 mg of testosterone per WEEK ). And most of the time those muscles are not even usable in real situations because of very low body fat percentages and the fact that those muscles are not correctly developed and their nerve endings had not managed to grow fast enough to be able to activate them correctly. We see women who use thousands of beauty products eat specific pricey diets and life literally on mathematical formulas counting their daily intake of pretty much any substance so they can look as close to perfect as possible. And some of them even use hormone treatments or chemicals and even silicon implants.
In terms of Noxus elements added to her design, I'm thinking that black spots/scales on her tail could possible be a good idea, or some sort of a bra, like an underwear garment inspired by bondage wear? In terms of communicating that she's still Noxian on the inside, but it's not a big part of her identity - also! makes her sexier
Great video! I'm tempted to draw your ideas now (changes to Nicky's design and that white snake covered in veils thing), but my skill level probably wouldn't do it justice
Thank you for calling them "spectacle fighters" One of my little pet peeves is that we have such a good title and mf'ers still say "character action" and "action adventure"
I fuck with this "oral tradition" energy of "it belongs to you". Long long ago when a story was told it was handed down to all who heard it to retell and share.
For all the people that only enjoy highly polished and rendered, pristine art, a million or so fall in love with Among Us silly cartoon blobs or FNAF's uncanny artstyle. There's a place for everyone.
46:55 i appreciate you pushing back against this self-deprecation, bc as performative as it is, there probably are artists out there striving to reach this level or at this level who might look at nickyboi mocking himself and feel lesser about their own art as a result. nickyboi, your art is great. its not the type you typically see at riot with more realistic proportions and a more painterly/illustrative rendering, but its competent, its cartoony and fun to look at and you get your ideas across well. its not like theres a singular ideal of an art style and riot artists are closer to it than you are, your art just has a different kind of appeal.
The sad thing is, even if you state clearly that what you're saying is an opinion and you're not trying to present it as hard fact, some people will still come lashing out, like you're trying to invalidate other opinions (most likely their own) just by expressing yours. Edit : spoke my mind too soon
1:08:55 Maybe the way to showcase the blurring isn't in the belly, but in the sides. Show the scales slowly going away around the sides of her lower back, which would still hide it from the front and make it so the actual pelvical transformation can be obviated, but make it feel like "guys, we totally thought about it". Maybe that way she feels more realistic (yet not truly) while not going all the way nor making her feel that much of a monster.
I will never understand going into the headspace at riot where they think updating old champions isn't productive or anything. Look at the reworks they have made. Like Poppy. They've been making so many Poppy skins ever since her remake because it made her a genuinly popular champion. The same goes for most other champs they remade. H*ck some of my favourite champs are Poppy, Shen, Taric and Kayle who they completely redesigned. While new champions mostly just got people talking for a month. Also old players definitly have more insentive to come back to play the game when they hear Jax got reworked than there being a new femboy mage.
jokes on you telling me to watch his original video, i not only have already watched it before watching this video, i even watched it BEFORE yt did its stoopid to him and made him take it down. for ones my boredom and need to detox from stress & axiety have been useful
Lo vi unas pocas horas después de que salió… imagino que de no haber entrado a youtube ese día no me habría salido en recomendados, lo ame, fue la perfecta demostración de que la razón por la que no tenemos más reworks visuales es porque no quieren poner fondos en ello, nada de falta de tiempo, nada de falta de mano de obra, casi nunca juego lol, pero soy gran fan de la mayoría de creadores de contenido como este. Gracias por darnos todo lo que Riot nunca nos dará y más.
NOO MY MONIES
Foiled by react RUclipsrs once again
Foild once again
How will you cope Nickyboi
Once again
Love your original video. Watch it fully and absolutely loved the redesign you did for it.
I would be really happy to see riot actually take your ideas onboard.
Pls no not again . I dont want to comment about the azula reference a 4th time XD .
I can't believe Skyen just stole morbillion dollars from Nicky :(
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My favorite part was when TheftBSkyen said "it's stealing time" and stole all over the place
It's morbin' time?
Nickillion Dollars
TBSkyen's rant about Kai'Sa in a video about completly unrelated topic: Check
@26:54 for people like me who want to hear it again
bless@@Aphelia.
rants that give me life
"Next to her PERFECTLY SCULPTED ASS" that got me ngl 😂
I literally ranted about the same stuff before I even saw him talk about it 😂
I won't lie, skyen just gives off "college professor who actually cares" vibes and I think it's wholesome af.
Skyen: "I'll do what others channel do and just do a haha and go to the bathroom"
Also Skyen: make a reaction with 3 times the duration of the original video
He got lost on his way to the bathroom :(
Gotta admit it's on brand for him
@rinco1532 Omfg, i cried laughing at the thought of that 😭
@@rinco1532Ah... This channel is green, thats why...
Speaking on Nickyboi's little cuts and memes, I see they are a good way to add humor to what is essentially a video essay, and he uses them to reinforce his point.
Its entertaining and effective
I think the reason is because Nicky knows the audience. One part of being a decent comedian is knowing your audience and the tone you put out. It's easier to do when people know and come for you, but to be consistently unhinged yet hilarious is a skill.
small note - the structure on a cobra's head that you're thinking of is generally called a 'hood' rather than a 'mantle'.
"Skyen's a professional video creator, he can do what he wants." "I wanna steal."
Over the garden wall enjoyer spotted
27:00 I'm so glad we got the sequel to the full length Kai'sa rant
So satisfying to listen to lmfao. Also appreciate how he says that you could make her into a character that incorporates her sexiness, like instead of making her genuinely repulsive. I agree, I think both approaches work, but Riot just didn't pick a side and in the worst way possible. It's the design that's the problem, her character itself is great
"There's so much more to art than beauty, there's so much more to aesthetic than pleasure." Is a sentence that is too true and way too many people need hammered into their brains.
yeah,it saddens me on so many levels. drawing stuff for others sometimes has me on 5 stages of grief because its always that hourglass figure perfection that they want. to me it doesnt tell anything characterwise, especially now since i am so numb on that stuff
I mean the issue is that I feel like a lot of these people KNOW that already. They just conveniently forget that whenever it’s about a woman lmao.
Like, if you give them a rad, body horror monster, they’ll be like “Oh hell yeah that’s so cool and scary and monstrous and gross!” But if you show them a woman with slightly unconventional features they go “Well, why would I ever want to see any art that isn’t 100% aesthetically appealing?”
@@cartoonishidealism582 yeah,i understand you 100%, i just had to get it out of my system. But i am glad there are people that think the way you do, thank you for reminding me
Its just so frustrating sometimes, because i feel like i get punished for going that route
Every time TBSkyen has to disclaim that there is a place for tittybabe character design - just not as a default - and gets ignored anyway, an angel loses their wings
Judging by the number of brick-headed idiots…
Heaven’s gonna run out soon.
tbskyen, promoting the benefits of occasional tittybabe use like a doctor
some youtube comment section prowler: THIS MAN HATES BAJONKAJONKS!!!!
The hairstyle is called the "Hime cut".
Skyen feeling like his villain arc, XQCkyen is upon us! 😂
Skyenabi
Nuxskyen
that kaisa image at 27 minutes is literally the "everyone is so mean 2 me
I mean skyen certainly is mean to her.
YESYESYES That little rant around 34:07 about how women and queer men also fall into the trap of hating anything unbeautiful is so real and honestly skyen I just commend ypu for being principled enough to also criticize queer communities.
Let's hope Skyen actually makes at least a short video of a Kai'Sa Rant every month for the rest of his youtube career.
I think the redesign does the snake-human boundary better by having cassiopeia explicitly wear clothing covering the boundary, rather than it being a weird golden girdle. Maybe the merging point does look 'ugly', and cassiopeia wears clothing that doesn't really 'make sense' to cover that! Maybe it looks fine but she's secretly self conscious about that particular part of her! One of the goals of sexy clothing is to make the concealment just as exciting if not more than what's being concealed, and the veil over that particular boundary might just be that...
I like **STEALING, THEFT, STEALING, TAKING THINGS THAT DO NOT BELONG TO ME!**
-Skyen in the intro complaining about youtube
32:22 something else that I will add: you don’t need to make a character with an hourglass shape for people to make sexy fan-art of the character now with an hourglass shape. People can turn ANY design into a bombshell if they want. R34 exists to prove it. So let people do the hard work for you, let them make it sexy and then you can focus on making the character fit the story.
"You wanna know what I wanna do today? I wanna steal." Best way to start a reaction video.
As soon as I found out they restricted the video for the first upload, I immediately watched the second video on repeat like 5 times out of spite. Appreciate you looking out for our fellow fella, TB. Your taste in friends and colleagues is more immaculate than your takes on character design.
i really like the simplicity of her hair, the hime cut (name of the hairstyle) translates to princess in japanese but it being a bit more elaborate is definitely something that could improve the design further !
The fact it went Japanese at all is a problem.
Man I love when Skyen said “It’s opinioning time!” And gave his opinion all over the place.
Were still doing this huh
1:00:35 Completely random idea, no clue if its good, but what if she had the Black Rose design incorporated into her tail? So instead of the spots of darker green, she'd have a curling thorn-covered rose stem made from darker scales that coil up her body. Then to make things really spicy and go all in on the "temptress" theme, the actual rose flower can be around her hips where the snake tail transitions to human torso: because its where her "flower" is. Maybe the flower could be implied through a combination of her scales and cloth.
Also, maybe she could have scales going up the sides of her waist and torso while leaving the stomach bare. This not only accentuates her stomach (its the vulnerable, naked human part of her unprotected by scales) while highlighting her hourglass figure. If we're gonna make her fan service might as well full send it!
That's a really good idea, I didn't even think about how you couald add a rose motif in there and how it works both with her standalone character and her ties to the black rose
Nickyboi: exists
Skyen: “DON’T MAKE ME SICK HBOMBERGUY ON YOU!”
34:54
Sadly, Nickyboi gets it pretty bad on reddit. RUclips is mostly what it should be with comments, but as with every reddit post showing a nickyboi take on a chamion redesign, they just all get angry.
Oh, making soraka larger? Thats awful, make her more attractive.
Oh, making Cassiopeia more attractive to lean into a character trait while it makes sense shes welcomed in Noxus becuse of their ideals? Make her ugly, its supposed to be a curse. (God forbid they actually watch the full video and realise its more than just an art change...)
Some of them even just say its 'worse than the original'
Its very frustrating. It just feels like they hate on him simply due to either dislking champion redesigns immensly or just not liking Nickyboi taking a shot at it. To me, this is his most ambitious and amazing project to date, and i hope for nothing more than it to grow exponentially. (Already over 100k views on the reupload, we cooking now baby)
The main subreddit is full of THE brain dead League players. No fanart allowed, that’s spam, only competitive discussion. No funny copypastas (like Dr Mubdo), that’s filler, just more competitive highlights. No complaining about competitive setting, they got a (dead) subreddit for that so that’s okay :)
Fuck the main subreddit.
I dont like his rework but not because its him, i dont like it cuz it looks too much like an anime character. Its stupid. The thing is Cass is tied forever to the idea of the Greek myth Medusa. And when i played the OG Perseus Pantheon (Fucking miss that version of the skin) i would always look at the head on the shield. Because it was Cass. While Cass herself may not be Greek, i think the story should be that she was an illegitimate child or ran into a cave looking for a treasure that was rumored to make her beautiful in the lands of Leagues version of Greece, but instead turned her into a hideous Gorgon whos final insult was allow her SOME semblance of beauty. And for her Greek skin they could go full blown Athenian or Crete themed clothing and tie into Perseus Pantheons lore. Im not saying the guy shouldnt ever take cracks at reworks, im just saying i disagree woth the direction he took.
I adore that you mentioned Nicki's editing style, is my favorite thing about his channel, he's FANTASTIC at it and it enhances the video
My favourite line is the one she has with Katarina where she does an Azula reference: "I'm about to celebrate becoming an only child".
I loved the voiceline in reference to garen. It was such a sibling vibe fr.
Yeah, she could do better
"she should be more bottom heavy like an IV bag" said someone at riot for the first time in history
looks very Hollywood Cleopatra, fitting.
I love when you directly interact with the other leaguetubers
That reminder to go watch Nicky's video was appreciated, I forgot I didn't watch the reuploaded version so I went ahead and watched it first. I must say though he edited the video in a way that you can see more details of memes if you watch a second time and enjoy it more.
Since we're ranting about kai'sa again, i'll propose one change to her that i genuinely think recontextualizes her entire design:
Give her voidy insect legs, styled after a fly.
Specifically digitigrade ones.
Make sure they are way too thin in places, so it's abundantly clear these have replaced her legs, and aren't just a suit where her legs could feasibly fit somewhere in there.
This does the following:
Cons:
- no ass, probably
(Technically you could probably have the new legs start below her butt if it's that important to you, and it might even give you some exciting tension between sex appeal and her monstrous fly legs)
- K/DA kai'sa could be hard to do
(Though we could also make it an actual statement, i.e. amputees can still be pop idols, if we're feeling brave in the face of xenophobia, give her a fancy iced out version of those running blades maybe)
Pros:
We have pros on multiple levels here, I'll go into the ones I could identify.
Gameplay Clarity:
Digitigrade legs underline her insane agility/mobility for an adc; they lend themselves to dynamic posing and mostly just "look faster" than regular human legs. A first-time player can now look at her silhouette and immediately expect that she will probably be fast, even more than with her current design.
Representation:
I'm not sure we have an amputee (or otherwise disabled) character in league who isn't outright villainous (hi urgot and camille and renata and swain and arguably viktor (am i insane or just spotting a pattern i genuinely don't know)), though I haven't checked the entire roster. Kai'sa could fill that "void" (hehe), giving us a visibly disabled hero.
Lore Consistency:
We can now actually see that she's been through it. Her childhood in the proclaimed MOST DANGEROUS AND HOSTILE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD didn't leave her with a flawless vogue body, in fact it literally tore chunks out of her. Reading how she found the suit now calls to mind imagery of her without legs, bleeding, crawling on the floor, helpless, undignified, and how finding the suit saved her just in time. How she would definitely be dead without it, like everyone else.
Beyond that, closing her helmet now actually makes her look more monstrous than human. It's now clear that, and why, people would be scared of her.
Symbolism:
The void is now part of her, not something she could feasibly just take off.
Also, without it, she literally has no legs to stand on. This is what makes her special, and this is what allows her to fight.
That's all I got for now. You probably won't read this, and I might have said it before, but I do genuinely think my idea is good. If you ever decide to "build a better kai'sa", I really hope you would consider this.
33:30 You know, I think Riot could have the cake and eat it if they said instead that this is Sylas after he escaped and built the Magi rebellion
I’m not too bothered by his physics as his at least they’re not trying to argue that he look monstruous
Wow Tommy Tallarico did a Cass rework? Damn his mom must be proud 😂
You two are such good friends, it’s so nice 😊
The intro to this reaction went into three different directions very fast.
Great job.
Nickyboi’s original video and the effort he put into updating Cass was amazing and I love it dearly.
This is Nickyboi's legacy. And I'm glad he could do this on a champion that DESERVES to be remade and breathed new life to. 💚 Your commentary is FUNNI and INFORMATIVE, as usual. Thanks for this, ma man Skyen. xD
How is it his legacy? Nicky ain’t dead as far as I know, is he?
3BSkyen the best channel, for being the only place where you will hear "Fuck off Creative Cloud"
Nickyboi is a great cartoon artist. And as others have said, Nickyboi's art is perfect for emotes in the game itself!
Hot Take, and I hope Skyen sees this; Briar would've added an interesting complexity to a nation, if the nation she was attributed to was Demacia, not Noxus; as a parallel to Sylas.
Oh yeah the artists knock things out of the park when they do a visual or lore update. I'm genuinely more excited for those than I am a new champion
whenever tbskyen complains about kai'sa's design, an angel gains its wings u.u
There's something I hate about Riot's business model. It's that they look so uncritically at their negative scores without realizing that it's due to a negative feedback loop. A champion is in disrepair so they become unpopular. The champ is unpopular so they get no new skins. The champ generates no revenue because they receive no new content to draw attention to themselves. And then the cycle repeats. When, like nickyboi said, those updates give massive opportunities for new content and create a much larger fanbase for the character, which Akali and Evelynn, and to a lesser degree, caitlyn, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I learn so much from Skyen's videos. He's slowly helping me get better at character design and story telling. My novels appreciate it
Haters:"Skyen doesn't like beautiful figures he will uglify league".
Skyen: 54:08
I do agree with him with that one, but her body is already perfect for her snake proportion.
she still need to be snakelike rather than just fanservice, also if Soraka get an ASU it is actually is better in the thiccer body category because of her motherly nature.
thank god this channel got restored, love your new thievery arc skyen
youre a really wonderful friend tbskyen. also your videos always make me smile. im glad youre supporting him on this
I am so glad you made this. The whole time I watched his video I was thinking about all the design stuff you like to talk about.
I throughly enjoy these videos and your shorts content. Please keep up the good work.
I would definitley welcome a monthly Kai'Sa rant video series.
Thanks for showing me this, love his style of humor, subbed
34:18 YES. YES. THANK YOU. OMG THANK YOU.
I have no problem if people enjoy beauty and pleasure in art - that's fine! Nothing wrong with that. But also as an artist it infuriates me that any other type of art or design (ones that VALUE STORYTELLING) tend to be squashed in favor of what's more "marketable". There's so much more art can do than just make you feel good looking at it.
It's also an attitude you get from folks in fandoms and shipping culture. "Why would you like a character that isn't sexy?" "Well why would you ship characters if they're not hot?" FOR A LOT OF REASONS??? Characters can have different types of appeal! Ships can have interesting dynamics and storytelling opportunities! NOT EVERYTHING EXISTS TO MAKE YOU HORNY.
Imagine a world...
where we have characters with varied body types...
with designs that are good fit for their characters...
as base skins and then we sell seggsy horne skins for more appealing styles so we can have our Lore cake and eat it with the golden forks of all the money!!
RITO PLEASE!!! its even a good idea!
It’s even more annoying when you realize that there are more versions of sexy than “default sexy women” or “default sexy man”. Some people like fatter bodies. Some people like women with actual muscles. If we vary body types, we can actually expand the range of who we fan-service to.
@@crashb800 I feel like this isn't stated enough. Dad bod is a thing, and it's a thing that people enjoy looking at. The equivalent also exists for women, though I would argue that "Mum bod" is a bad name because that sounds weird, somehow. Not to mention the number of people absolutely simping over Samira (muscles), Renata (older) and Ambessa Medarda (both + POC).
@@Ceracio Us Samira simps love her mostly for personality, but she is also insanely hot and I would let her stab me
LMAO the statement at the beggining "i want to steal views!!!!" it's so sincere and KDSMKDS i love it.
1:25:35 Kill - Swain
Oh my gods.... Favorite right there. That's... That's some fukkin' Azula A:tLA writing right there!
"You've beaten me at my own game."
"Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player."
Cassiopeia is already one of my favourite champions, so I am super sus when people talk about remakes. But I'll hear him out 👂🐍
cassio in the modern league should be a Baccai, a failed asendent that would explain that she is half/half. maybe she was searching the ruins to get the secret to asend in the first place? maybe she ask Xerath for it when she free him? anything but being a curse... that make as much sense as warwick being cursed into a werewolf by soraka in the old lore
I think baccai look way more monstruous in LOR
@@Milkiia yeah and in lor we see xerath making his own followers into "whatever he is" but that dont help either XD
Ohh,, Making Cassiopeia a Baccai is such a good idea
time to watch this banger for the third time (counting an original vod, reupload and now this commentary) LETZ GOOO🐍💚
✋Ooooh, teacher, I have something to contribute! Cassiopeia's rework is obviously geared towards cobras, because Shurima and it's Egyptian coding, but as an American I can see she's got more than a little rattlesnake in her. The jewels in her hair are an allusion to diamondbacks, the spots on her tail look like the spots of massasaugas, and, while I doubt it was intentional, one of the ways we're taught to distinguish rattlers is by their triangular heads. It's less obvious than the monster concept with the rattle and the curved fangs, but if you've grown up with rattlers as your default desert viper and thing to watch out for on walks, you can see the influence on her design. It's also a bit ironic, because rattlesnakes are the furthest from a seductive predator: that rattle has one message and it's "Go away!".
27:11
Gotta have a mass that won't quit.
She's added Kerrigan Kegels to her exercise routine.
hi! i did the voice for cass in this video! i really likes your takes, but i ESPECIALLY loved your ideas for your own cass based on her spirit blossom skin. once you mentioned her being super pale i was sold immediately. i’m albino myself, and albino representation in characters is either non existent, or really offensive (albino humans don’t have red eyes!) having her be based off of an albino snake, with super pale skin and hair, but piercing red eyes would be an amazing design choice, and pretty damn good representation.
as for fun tidbits on the voice, YEAH i can tell nicky didn’t get any help with the lines LMFAO (not that they were bad, they were amazing, it just took him a solid bit for him to get them to me haha)
and in regard to enunciation of the S sound a lot, (and this will be a bit of a tangent for me to get to my point) i’m trans, female to male (i dont mind you calling me an actress, i get it!) and in that process, my voice has deepened and has gained a rougher edge, typical of male puberty. since i was an actor before that, female characters are usually what i do 90% of the time, but now theres an added hurdle of getting past this new testosterone sound. i’m REALLY bad at explaining technique, but a really good way to sell a more feminine tone Is to have that kind of emphasis on those s sounds! its a tip used in a lot of male to female transgender voice training.
but even aside from that, i’ve been an actor for 7 years, and with the style of acting that league has (typical semi-realistic interactive, not as cartoonish as anime or a … cartoon, but not as grounded as a movie-game), is kinda my specialty. (getting into it because of games like fire emblem, which cass’s original actor voices a character in, really helps lol)
anyway to wrap this up, amazing video, and amazing commentary!
"yeah I'm gonna steal NickyBoi's video and not add anything to it"
**proceeds to compliment NickyBoi's overall content quality, argumenting in great details what's good within his content, edition style, writing strong points and creativity not even 10 minutes in**
It’s too late Skyen. We stem lords are already here.
I'd really like to hear a longer video about your opinions on Infinity War! And MCU in general. Honestly, pretty much anything.
I literally watched this for the first time JUST YESTERDAY that’s wild lol
A good video, just wanted to say thank you for producing these commentaries. Also just wanted to note, the whole talk about subjectivity. THANK YOU! It just annoys me to no end that whenever i criticize something i have to make constant disclaimers of (This is MY OPINION, its not OBJECTIVE) and then STILL have people say that i claim objectivity. Its just so annoying. Joseph Anderson made a video on this topic called "Subjectivity is implied" and i hope to god more people try to follow what is said in that video.
i have to agree i think the fact he could so clearly get and solid idea that could easily be made into art its very much a concept art which is just one of the steps not eveyone needs to have the same level of polish but he made a great rendition of cas and it was easy to redraw her cuz she was more then a stick figure
oh the voice acting actually gave me chills, jesus christ it's good
this whole redesign is ridiculously impressive, I didn't expect at all just how extreme it'd be
I just want to say that about the hypocrisy of youtube, there is an ad on youtube of this game, i don't know the name, but basically the ad is this demon girl very very revealed and she just has a soft blur to hide her MASSIVE cleavage and she walks towards a demon man and then they have these very very sexually charged/softcore corn interactions. It's so insane to me. They also have all these ''waifu games'' ads with just the most absurdlt sexualized anime girl with massive hongedongs hanging out and it's just INSANE. The internet is only corporate greed and hypocrisy nowadays, i really don't know what we can do about this. I hate it. Also great video yead i'm not JUST complaining about youtube haha
1:19:40 my man Sauronkaiser literally put the iron golem over morde's model with entirely new animations, taunts and everything, it is possible
His video has been showing up in my recommended again the last few days so hopefully he will still get some decent reach
"Infinity War sucks so bad" man, those are bold words to day these days...
At 55:42 I can confirm that there exists a Pokemon ROM hack where they replace the Pokemon with League of Legends characters. All the sprites have that weird quality to them that you see now. so take that as you will
I have this image of Cassiopeia being surrounded by a small army of maids who help her get dressed in an overkill amount of expensive jewelry and fashion.
I think Skyen’s criticisms actually helped me appreciate the final product even more. There’s a lot of good ideas about making her more ostentatious, but in trying to picture it I realized that so much was accomplished with the finalized design and artworks. The design felt like it did “less is more” quite perfectly; everything I need to know about the character was well represented in the limited amount of details that were included. Truly one of the best fan ideas for a league character update that I’ve ever seen
I haven't eaten since this video, literally ended hunger in the universe
43:35 Don't underestimate this goblin of a person, Skyen
3B Skyen : *uploads
Me : *pops in instantly
The over all reaction of tb skyen on Nicky cass design can be defined in one meme:
MORE...MORE!!!
50:25 to 50:40. What you describe here is also what happens with male and female physic expectations.
We see body builders that use steroids (for professional body builders it is 5000 mg of testosterone per WEEK ).
And most of the time those muscles are not even usable in real situations because of very low body fat percentages and the fact that those muscles are not correctly developed and their nerve endings had not managed to grow fast enough to be able to activate them correctly.
We see women who use thousands of beauty products eat specific pricey diets and life literally on mathematical formulas counting their daily intake of pretty much any substance so they can look as close to perfect as possible. And some of them even use hormone treatments or chemicals and even silicon implants.
In terms of Noxus elements added to her design, I'm thinking that black spots/scales on her tail could possible be a good idea, or some sort of a bra, like an underwear garment inspired by bondage wear? In terms of communicating that she's still Noxian on the inside, but it's not a big part of her identity - also! makes her sexier
Great video! I'm tempted to draw your ideas now (changes to Nicky's design and that white snake covered in veils thing), but my skill level probably wouldn't do it justice
I know it's not at all related to the video, but:
I see that QWERPLINE in your recommended videos. Great series
Thank you for calling them "spectacle fighters"
One of my little pet peeves is that we have such a good title and mf'ers still say "character action" and "action adventure"
If only i had the resource or talent to do this myself. Nicky did such a good job
Alastor's dumbass eyes were staring at me in my peripheral for an hour and a half XD
I fuck with this "oral tradition" energy of "it belongs to you". Long long ago when a story was told it was handed down to all who heard it to retell and share.
43:35 I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN I WATCH NICKY'S VIDEOS LIKE ??? I love his brain
For all the people that only enjoy highly polished and rendered, pristine art, a million or so fall in love with Among Us silly cartoon blobs or FNAF's uncanny artstyle. There's a place for everyone.
46:55 i appreciate you pushing back against this self-deprecation, bc as performative as it is, there probably are artists out there striving to reach this level or at this level who might look at nickyboi mocking himself and feel lesser about their own art as a result.
nickyboi, your art is great. its not the type you typically see at riot with more realistic proportions and a more painterly/illustrative rendering, but its competent, its cartoony and fun to look at and you get your ideas across well. its not like theres a singular ideal of an art style and riot artists are closer to it than you are, your art just has a different kind of appeal.
The sad thing is, even if you state clearly that what you're saying is an opinion and you're not trying to present it as hard fact, some people will still come lashing out, like you're trying to invalidate other opinions (most likely their own) just by expressing yours.
Edit : spoke my mind too soon
1:08:55 Maybe the way to showcase the blurring isn't in the belly, but in the sides. Show the scales slowly going away around the sides of her lower back, which would still hide it from the front and make it so the actual pelvical transformation can be obviated, but make it feel like "guys, we totally thought about it".
Maybe that way she feels more realistic (yet not truly) while not going all the way nor making her feel that much of a monster.
I will never understand going into the headspace at riot where they think updating old champions isn't productive or anything. Look at the reworks they have made. Like Poppy. They've been making so many Poppy skins ever since her remake because it made her a genuinly popular champion. The same goes for most other champs they remade.
H*ck some of my favourite champs are Poppy, Shen, Taric and Kayle who they completely redesigned. While new champions mostly just got people talking for a month.
Also old players definitly have more insentive to come back to play the game when they hear Jax got reworked than there being a new femboy mage.
“Okay I’m done venting.” But should you be😂
jokes on you telling me to watch his original video, i not only have already watched it before watching this video, i even watched it BEFORE yt did its stoopid to him and made him take it down.
for ones my boredom and need to detox from stress & axiety have been useful
On the one hand, I'd like Skyen's channel to succeed, on the other, I love salty Skyen
Now Nick has to react to dis,
Lo vi unas pocas horas después de que salió… imagino que de no haber entrado a youtube ese día no me habría salido en recomendados, lo ame, fue la perfecta demostración de que la razón por la que no tenemos más reworks visuales es porque no quieren poner fondos en ello, nada de falta de tiempo, nada de falta de mano de obra, casi nunca juego lol, pero soy gran fan de la mayoría de creadores de contenido como este. Gracias por darnos todo lo que Riot nunca nos dará y más.